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Posted By: rockinbbar Guns Don't Deter Crime - 07/07/15
Says Harvard University.

http://news.yahoo.com/guns-dont-deter-crime-study-finds-180710261.html#

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"The one thing that would have at least ameliorated the horrible situation in Charleston would have been that if somebody in that prayer meeting had a conceal carry or there had been either an off-duty policeman or an on-duty policeman, somebody with the legal authority to carry a firearm and could have stopped the shooter," presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said in a Fox News interview on June 19.

A new study, however, throws cold water on the idea that a well-armed populace deters criminals or prevents murders. Instead, higher ownership of guns in a state is linked to more firearm robberies, more firearm assaults and more homicide in general.


I'll believe it when Obama sends his armed security detail home, and walks openly through his constituents.
Posted By: ingwe Re: Guns Don't Deter Crime - 07/07/15
Apparently they haven't noticed the crime rates in states with high gun ownership and high incidence of concealed carry....

But those are just easily derived facts, what they have is research, which some poor slob, probably us, paid for!
Posted By: rockinbbar Re: Guns Don't Deter Crime - 07/07/15
Nobody ever addresses the REAL problem with areas of high murder rates with firearm use.

Hint... It ain't a gun problem.

Maybe they should be looking at the inner-city ethnic problem.
Posted By: 4ager Re: Guns Don't Deter Crime - 07/07/15
Find their source of funding, and you find the agenda. The funding, almost assuredly, is private and based in NYC.
Posted By: RoninPhx Re: Guns Don't Deter Crime - 07/07/15
it's always good to look up the author. In this case graduate of the university of calif at santa cruz, lives in denver, writes on global warming among other things:
Posted By: RickyD Re: Guns Don't Deter Crime - 07/07/15
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"We found no support for the hypothesis that owning more guns leads to a drop or a reduction in violent crime," said study researcher Michael Monuteaux, an epidemiologist and professor of pediatrics at Harvard Medical School. "Instead, we found the opposite."
They are liars, just like the climate change cheaters. Believe NO ONE and NOTHING coming from lieberal academia. They will lie and sell their mothers to ISIS to please the lying POS POTUS.
Posted By: 280shooter Re: Guns Don't Deter Crime - 07/07/15
Yahoo reporting Harvard. All I need to know.
Posted By: Mathsr Re: Guns Don't Deter Crime - 07/07/15
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Nobody ever addresses the REAL problem with areas of high murder rates with firearm use.

Hint... It ain't a gun problem.

Maybe they should be looking at the inner-city ethnic problem.


The elephant in the room nobody wants to see...
Posted By: Calhoun Re: Guns Don't Deter Crime - 07/07/15
Read through the article..

Higher ownership of guns leads to a higher number of gun homicides.

They never mention the total number of violent crimes and homicides. Just that when there are guns present, more gun crimes happen.

Doh! And you know what? In states where snowmobiles are used, there's a higher incidence of snowmobile accidents! Who knew?

And they ignore the fact that gun ownership has been soaring for 25 years, and all violent crime has been dropping a LOT. So.. yeah, Harvard/CDC/John Hopkins - none of them has ever produced an honest gun study.
Posted By: Whiptail Re: Guns Don't Deter Crime - 07/07/15

Economics are more dangerous than firearms.
Posted By: bea175 Re: Guns Don't Deter Crime - 07/07/15
Originally Posted by rockinbbar
Says Harvard University.

http://news.yahoo.com/guns-dont-deter-crime-study-finds-180710261.html#

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"The one thing that would have at least ameliorated the horrible situation in Charleston would have been that if somebody in that prayer meeting had a conceal carry or there had been either an off-duty policeman or an on-duty policeman, somebody with the legal authority to carry a firearm and could have stopped the shooter," presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said in a Fox News interview on June 19.

A new study, however, throws cold water on the idea that a well-armed populace deters criminals or prevents murders. Instead, higher ownership of guns in a state is linked to more firearm robberies, more firearm assaults and more homicide in general.


I'll believe it when Obama sends his armed security detail home, and walks openly through his constituents.


Just more Democrat Liberal Propaganda from a Liberal Collage pushing their agenda
Posted By: srwshooter Re: Guns Don't Deter Crime - 07/07/15
its very easy to make a big drop in the crime rate in any major city. burn the slums down.
Posted By: benchman Re: Guns Don't Deter Crime - 07/07/15
Originally Posted by srwshooter
its very easy to make a big drop in the crime rate in any major city. burn the slums down.
Why hasn't anybody made a study of gun crime in areas with high black population density? Chicago is a fine example . 50+ people shot in a city that basically does not allow guns, with a very high percentage of blacks in the population. I'm tired of getting blamed for their bad behavior.
Posted By: bea175 Re: Guns Don't Deter Crime - 07/07/15
It isn't Gun Control that is needed , it is Nagger Control that they should focus on
Posted By: local_dirt Re: Guns Don't Deter Crime - 07/08/15
Originally Posted by RoninPhx
it's always good to look up the author. In this case graduate of the university of calif at santa cruz, lives in denver, writes on global warming among other things:


TFF!
Posted By: RickyD Re: Guns Don't Deter Crime - 07/08/15
I noticed the information presented was primarily referencing CDC information on guns, and did not appear correct. I tried to find some historical data from the CDC but could only find 2013 information. I did find this from the CDC and believe it mostly tells what we all know and the lieberals deny.


http://www.gunsandammo.com/politics/cdc-gun-research-backfires-on-obama/

Here are some key findings from the CDC report, “Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence,” released in June:

1. Armed citizens are less likely to be injured by an attacker:
“Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.”

2. Defensive uses of guns are common:
“Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year…in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.”

3. Mass shootings and accidental firearm deaths account for a small fraction of gun-related deaths, and both are declining:
“The number of public mass shootings of the type that occurred at Sandy Hook Elementary School accounted for a very small fraction of all firearm-related deaths. Since 1983 there have been 78 events in which 4 or more individuals were killed by a single perpetrator in 1 day in the United States, resulting in 547 victims and 476 injured persons.” The report also notes, “Unintentional firearm-related deaths have steadily declined during the past century. The number of unintentional deaths due to firearm-related incidents accounted for less than 1 percent of all unintentional fatalities in 2010.”

4. “Interventions” (i.e, gun control) such as background checks, so-called assault rifle bans and gun-free zones produce “mixed” results:
“Whether gun restrictions reduce firearm-related violence is an unresolved issue.” The report could not conclude whether “passage of right-to-carry laws decrease or increase violence crime.”

5. Gun buyback/turn-in programs are “ineffective” in reducing crime:
“There is empirical evidence that gun turn in programs are ineffective, as noted in the 2005 NRC study Firearms and Violence: A Critical Review. For example, in 2009, an estimated 310 million guns were available to civilians in the United States (Krouse, 2012), but gun buy-back programs typically recover less than 1,000 guns (NRC, 2005). On the local level, buy-backs may increase awareness of firearm violence. However, in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, for example, guns recovered in the buy-back were not the same guns as those most often used in homicides and suicides (Kuhn et al., 2002).”

6. Stolen guns and retail/gun show purchases account for very little crime:
“More recent prisoner surveys suggest that stolen guns account for only a small percentage of guns used by convicted criminals. … According to a 1997 survey of inmates, approximately 70 percent of the guns used or possess by criminals at the time of their arrest came from family or friends, drug dealers, street purchases, or the underground market.”

7. The vast majority of gun-related deaths are not homicides, but suicides:
“Between the years 2000-2010 firearm-related suicides significantly outnumbered homicides for all age groups, annually accounting for 61 percent of the more than 335,600 people who died from firearms related violence in the United States.”

Why No One Has Heard This
Given the CDC’s prior track record on guns, you may be surprised by the extent with which the new research refutes some of the anti-gun movement’s deepest convictions.

What are opponents of the Second Amendment doing about the new data? Perhaps predictably, they’re ignoring it

Read more: http://www.gunsandammo.com/politics/cdc-gun-research-backfires-on-obama/#ixzz3fKUnMXU0
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