A Hillview, Kentucky man was arrested Sunday night for doing something many other Americans would do and not think twice about. In this day and age of constant government surveillance of our every move, it is certainly easy to see why he took action. Privacy is of a concern, and one man sought to protect his family from another prying person.
William H. Merideth had a complaint levied against him for a firearm, and the police were responding to that particular issue when they showed up at his home. Merideth didn’t lie, nor did he mince words. He immediately admitted to shooting down a drone that was flying over his property. Once shot, the drone crashed in a field near Merideth’s house. Meredith recounted his story:
“Sunday afternoon, the kids – my girls – were out on the back deck, and the neighbors were out in their yard,” Merideth said. “And they come in and said, ‘Dad, there’s a drone out here, flying over everybody’s yard. Well, I came out and it was down by the neighbor’s house, about 10 feet off the ground, looking under their canopy that they’ve got under their back yard,” Merideth said. ”I went and got my shotgun and I said, ‘I’m not going to do anything unless it’s directly over my property.’”
“He didn’t just fly over,” he said. “If he had been moving and just kept moving, that would have been one thing — but when he come directly over our heads, and just hovered there, I felt like I had the right. You know, when you’re in your own property, within a six-foot privacy fence, you have the expectation of privacy,” he said. “We don’t know if he was looking at the girls. We don’t know if he was looking for something to steal. To me, it was the same as trespassing.”
Sounds like someone is about to find out the deed doesn't have the "from the bowels of the earth to the heavens above" wording any more. Gonna go double if it was owned by an LE agency.
A Hillview, Kentucky man was arrested Sunday night for doing something many other Americans would do and not think twice about. In this day and age of constant government surveillance of our every move, it is certainly easy to see why he took action. Privacy is of a concern, and one man sought to protect his family from another prying person.
William H. Merideth had a complaint levied against him for a firearm, and the police were responding to that particular issue when they showed up at his home. Merideth didn’t lie, nor did he mince words. He immediately admitted to shooting down a drone that was flying over his property. Once shot, the drone crashed in a field near Merideth’s house. Meredith recounted his story:
“Sunday afternoon, the kids – my girls – were out on the back deck, and the neighbors were out in their yard,” Merideth said. “And they come in and said, ‘Dad, there’s a drone out here, flying over everybody’s yard. Well, I came out and it was down by the neighbor’s house, about 10 feet off the ground, looking under their canopy that they’ve got under their back yard,” Merideth said. ”I went and got my shotgun and I said, ‘I’m not going to do anything unless it’s directly over my property.’”
“He didn’t just fly over,” he said. “If he had been moving and just kept moving, that would have been one thing — but when he come directly over our heads, and just hovered there, I felt like I had the right. You know, when you’re in your own property, within a six-foot privacy fence, you have the expectation of privacy,” he said. “We don’t know if he was looking at the girls. We don’t know if he was looking for something to steal. To me, it was the same as trespassing.”
Sounds like self defence to me. Protecting my girls is a priority with me and my youngest is 41.
Merideth didn’t lie, nor did he mince words. He immediately admitted to shooting down a drone
Shoot. Shovel. Shut up.
DON'T give the cops an easy arrest. Don't answer the door when they come snooping around. They have speed-traps and donut shops to attend to, they won't stick around long.....
Hillview ain't that far from me, maybe 35 miles. I hadn't heard about it, but I've been out of town for the last few days....
Yeah, it's inside city limits, and he discharged a firearm, but I'd have done the same, under the same circumstances. That's probably a misdemeanor, in any event, in KY, outside Louisville and Lexington.
I'd rather have spent birdshot land on me than that thing. Shotgun may be louder but that arrow would be more dangerous/likely to cause injury than falling 7.5 shot.
Careful application of the netting used to keep birds off of fruits and veggies could solve that problem too. Just have to figure out the guys pattern with the RC POS. Snare it and smash the schitt out of it.
My blind, gimp azz would have done the same thing. And I'd dared the owner to set foot on the place!!!!
According to the article four guys came over to confront him. He was packing a .40 and made it clear that if they made a move on him there would be another shooting.
[quote=kaywoodie] According to the article four guys came over to confront him. He was packing a .40 and made it clear that if they made a move on him there would be another shooting.
I'd rather have spent birdshot land on me than that thing. Shotgun may be louder but that arrow would be more dangerous/likely to cause injury than falling 7.5 shot.
Clearly you're no archer and never encountered one.
You need stick to squirt guns and rubber bands.
That's just fuggin dumb. At that close of range a bow, a slingshot, or a brick is the best tool in hand.
My blind, gimp azz would have done the same thing. And I'd dared the owner to set foot on the place!!!!
According to the article four guys came over to confront him. He was packing a .40 and made it clear that if they made a move on him there would be another shooting.
So. What do you all recommend for drones? Steel or lead 4's 2's or double 00 buckshot? Pretty sure I'd do the same if I were to find some perve checking out my place or family. Could be burglars casing ones home.
I'd rather have spent birdshot land on me than that thing. Shotgun may be louder but that arrow would be more dangerous/likely to cause injury than falling 7.5 shot.
Clearly you're no archer and never encountered one.
You need stick to squirt guns and rubber bands.
That's just fuggin dumb. At that close of range a bow, a slingshot, or a brick is the best tool in hand.
Really? Are you saying a falling arrow or flying arrow can't do much damage?
Even I know a good arrow is about 600ish grains IIRC, its been years since I did any tech stuff with bows, I just simply shoot em now, no biggy.
600 grains hitting you, is going to smart worse than a few grain pellets....
You have to know he's going to be charged with discharging a firearm in the city limits. Sometimes the law figures if they have to come out they need to charge someone.
I'd rather have spent birdshot land on me than that thing. Shotgun may be louder but that arrow would be more dangerous/likely to cause injury than falling 7.5 shot.
Clearly you're no archer and never encountered one.
You need stick to squirt guns and rubber bands.
That's just fuggin dumb. At that close of range a bow, a slingshot, or a brick is the best tool in hand.
Geezus, are you really that fuggin dumb ? If so you should go hang out at the elementary school playground with people of similar intellect. You have NO BUSINESS posting on an adult forum. Stupid son of a bytch.
Forget the trespass charges, the 'copter owner/operator was in violation of FAA regs. That's who should be notified. Let them deal with the feds. All the property owner has to say is that at some point, the drone flew over someone's head, or over a structure. Full stop, finito, end of story...
As for the property owner, well maybe he gets off on the discharge rap. But I'm sure there were ways to take it down that wouldn't have involved him having to hire a lawyer.
Seriously folks, if you're within city limits, DON'T SHOOT AT RC AIRCRAFT. You may be morally right if it's in your backyard, but remember, moral doesn't equal legal. Save yourself the legal fees and take it down without using a weapon. Or just document it, and follow it back to the owner. Get information (address, license plate, etc...) that will tie an ID to the person flying the aircraft. If it was flying over structure or people along the way, make sure that's captured as evidence, then present that to the authorities, letting them know that operating in that manner violates federal law.
Remember, a cheap quadcopter can be replaced or rebuilt for just a few hundred bucks and a couple of clicks. What's ducking potential local and FAA charges going to cost in time and money???
Merideth didn’t lie, nor did he mince words. He immediately admitted to shooting down a drone
Shoot. Shovel. Shut up.
DON'T give the cops an easy arrest. Don't answer the door when they come snooping around. They have speed-traps and donut shops to attend to, they won't stick around long.....
This video sadly is THE ONLY WAY TOO GO. In this day and age. The litigious society............ Everyone Should watch it.
If there is any justice in the world, the charges should be dropped and the drones owner should be charged via the FAA instead..
That said, for all the guys who recommend the three S's remember the owner of the drone may well have footage of exactly what happened, up to the point of the drones "serious malfunction" anyway..
From a legal perspective, I am not sure what the best way for the home owner be to deal to with the situation would be, which is a very sad thing in and of itself..
My next door neighbor was having a birthday party in his backyard, having gotten a drone as a birthday present he was playing around with it. Next thing you know, bang he flew it into the side of my house. I was inside at the time unaware of him flying the drone, the noise startled me and when I went to investigate. I was less than pleased to put it mildly when I found the drone in my yard, it had not caused any damage to my house and the neighbor was pretty embarassed. The look I gave him when I handed his drone back to him was sufficient to get my message across. Don't know where he flies his drone nowadays but it damn sure is not over my backyard.
Use a flu-flu fletched arrow. It has extra fletching, only flies about 40/50 yards and then floats softly to the ground. Designed for bird hunting with a bow. Wont lose arrow and wont come down and cause damage.
Yep. Just like attaching a camera to a pole and sticking it over your neighbor's fence. No way destroying that would be legally or morally wrong. Same here.
Yep. Just like attaching a camera to a pole and sticking it over your neighbor's fence. No way destroying that would be legally or morally wrong. Same here.
So if someone drives onto your property, you are legally allowed to destroy their vehicle?
So if someone drives onto your property, you are legally allowed to destroy their vehicle?
It is not about the vehicle it as all about the camera.
If someone parked a camera on a tripod on my driveway it would not last long.
Morally, I agree with you, but legally, I am not sure you can destroy other peoples stuff just for tresspass?? Plus, in this case, you have the issue of discharging a firearm within the city limits..
And besides the criminal aspect, you then have to factor in the possibility the drone owner may take out a civil suit to recover the cost of the damaged drone..
Again, I have no idea whether that is likely to succeed or not, but even if it doesn't, its likely to be an expensive exercise for the home owner once lawyers get involved.
My hunch is that “self defence” aspect might be the best way forward for the home owner, rather than trying to argue straight trespass and/or invasion of privacy..
Yep. Just like attaching a camera to a pole and sticking it over your neighbor's fence. No way destroying that would be legally or morally wrong. Same here.
So if someone drives onto your property, you are legally allowed to destroy their vehicle?
On Sunday, police arrested Merideth on two felony charges: wanton endangerment and criminal mischief. The drone's owner, who told police the device cost $1,800, had the wreckage returned to him. Merideth, however, maintains that he was within his rights. In an interview with Ars Technica, he said the matter came down to issues of privacy and good manners.
So if someone drives onto your property, you are legally allowed to destroy their vehicle?
It is not about the vehicle it as all about the camera.
If someone parked a camera on a tripod on my driveway it would not last long.
Morally, I agree with you, but legally, I am not sure you can destroy other peoples stuff just for tresspass?? Plus, in this case, you have the issue of discharging a firearm within the city limits..
And besides the criminal aspect, you then have to factor in the possibility the drone owner may take out a civil suit to recover the cost of the damaged drone..
Again, I have no idea whether that is likely to succeed or not, but even if it doesn't, its likely to be an expensive exercise for the home owner once lawyers get involved.
My hunch is that “self defence” aspect might be the best way forward for the home owner, rather than trying to argue straight trespass and/or invasion of privacy..
If the vehicle that comes onto my property is threatening me, yes I feel I have the right to disable it. Every time.
As to discharge in city limits, really normal people would not care about this, and I certainly don't, but there are things that go along with defense, that eliminate, or should in all states, the liability to other penal code issues.
IE if I"m legal in defending myself, others or my property in a self defense issue, then I cannot or should not be charged with the issue of discharge.
If I am charged with that, then every time an LEO fires their weapon inside the city, they should also be charged. And I'm not against LEO at all if you know me.
Here in the US a lot of us tend to take our private property rights very seriously, much more so than other countries do. I"m glad we do. Blood, sweat, tears etc... into buying and keeping it, its mine, you are not welcome unless invited.
Drones will be an issue until its all sorted out, and I hope they quickly understand that yep, don't ban drones, but they can only overfly public property or property that you own or have permission to be on, and if other happens, destruction is fine.
Firefighting, EMS and LEO have had serious issues with drones already, so much so that if they do ban em, I'm almost ok with that.... A good friend had such a close call in an Air Evac Helo a while back that he quit the service and went back to ground EMS.
On Sunday, police arrested Merideth on two felony charges: wanton endangerment and criminal mischief. The drone's owner, who told police the device cost $1,800, had the wreckage returned to him. Merideth, however, maintains that he was within his rights. In an interview with Ars Technica, he said the matter came down to issues of privacy and good manners.
That's why I'm glad I live where I live. First off most people around here wouldn't know the first thing about a drone, much less how to fly one or spell it.
A turret and a ballistic tip would solve the problem and they would never know where it came from.
If the vehicle that comes onto my property is threatening me, yes I feel I have the right to disable it. Every time.
Which why i said perhaps the homeowners best course of action might be to claim self defence..
However, I don't think the law supports the destruction of property on the grounds of simple trespass or invasion of privacy..
At this point it would seem the home owner has not claimed "self defence" and is simply arguing he has a legal right to destroy the drone essentially for trespass/invasion of privacy.
It would also seem the Police have taken the opposite view and charged him..
I don't agree with this, but the law these days is pretty fugged up in a lot of cases..
Reasonable fear of serious injury is the standard for lethal action in self defense. Destroying a device isn't lethal action, thus a much lesser standard satisfies justification.
It's nothing more than common sense. You keep your crap in your yard and I'll keep my crap in my yard. Hover some mechanized hunk of metal over the top of my kids and you can kiss its ass goodbye. Simple...
Here in the US a lot of us tend to take our private property rights very seriously, much more so than other countries do. I"m glad we do. Blood, sweat, tears etc... into buying and keeping it, its mine, you are not welcome unless invited.
Mornin', Pedro !
I'd like to supplement Jeff's comments above.
Dunno' about how they do it in other countries, the N.Eastern U.S., and don't CARE.
Under the law here in Az. failure to remove oneself IMMEDIATELY from private property when advised of trespass constitutes an ASSAULT.
Waving that creepy thing off a time or two, giving it a chance to get gone, and than blowing it away would stand as reasonable and acceptable behavior in ANY court in this state.
Consumer drones interfere with CA firefighting efforts
BY Kenzi Abou-Sabe July 19, 2015 at 5:22 PM EDT Los Angeles county firefighters battle a wildfire in Wrightwood, California, July 17, 2015. The wildfire is one of several in California over the past month where firefighting efforts have been partially disrupted by people flying private drones. Photo by Gene Blevins/Reuters
Los Angeles county firefighters battle a wildfire in Wrightwood, California, July 17, 2015. The blaze is one of several recent California wildfires in which firefighting efforts have been disrupted by people flying private drones. Photo by Gene Blevins/Reuters
When a fire that started in the hills northeast of Los Angeles spread to Interstate 15 Saturday, drivers were forced to flee their cars because of flames that eventually destroyed 20 vehicles.
A rare rainstorm helped to control the wildfire, which is now about 60 percent contained, but not before private drones flying over the wildfire grounded firefighting aircraft for almost half an hour. RELATED CONTENT
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Saturday’s incident marks the fifth time in a month that firefighting operations have been temporarily grounded by a private citizen flying a drone.
In the past month, drones have gotten in the way of firefighters in San Bernadino County, the Plumas National Forest and, most recently, Interstate 15, which connects Los Angeles and Las Vegas.
A July 12 incident at the edge of the San Bernadino National Forest grounded firefighters’ air tankers for eight minutes.
“That may not seem like a huge amount of time, but in a fire emergency every minute counts,” U.S. Forest Service spokeswoman Carol Underhill told the Associated Press.
Part of the conflict between private drones and public safety is a lack of clear, legislated regulation around what drone owners can and cannot do, partly because the tecnology is relatively new.
State lawmakers in California are currently drafting a bill that would impose heavy fines and potential jail time on anyone whose personal drone interferes with firefighting efforts.
California law currently states that interfering with firefighters is a misdemeanor, but the proposed legislation would severely heighten that punishment.
I am not sure its too much a problem here in the UK yet, but one area I see these drones being used and abused is by the Press..
There are laws that supposedly prevent them being flown near people or private property, but with todays cameras and zoom lens, that's not going to provide much protection from snooping..
The other area of concern is there use by terrorists. Even moderately low end models have GPS guidance, which means low cost off-the-shelf auto-pilot technology is now easily within their grasp..
While many consumer grade drones have very limited payload/range, I predict that the auto-pilot technology alone will end being used in other terrorist related applications..
There was never a drone in this story. It's called a quadcopter, or perhaps an RC helecopter if it has 1 main rotor, and they've been around for 50 years. The drama with the media over the term "drone" makes me laugh. It's like "assault weapon" - they simply cannot use it enough.
It's like calling a magazine a clip - makes us all look stupid.
There was never a drone in this story. It's called a quadcopter, or perhaps an RC helecopter if it has 1 main rotor, and they've been around for 50 years.
I think the difference is that todays consumer level "drones" carry camera's, data links, auto pilots, and can essentially fly them selves..
I'm not sure where you draw the line between old fashioned RC models and todays modern "drones" but I think most people would regard them as "different"..
That said, I had a relative who was into RC models and Ham radio ect and he had a RC plane rigged up with a basic TV camera about 25 years ago, so I do get what you are saying..
There was never a drone in this story. It's called a quadcopter, or perhaps an RC helecopter if it has 1 main rotor, and they've been around for 50 years.
I think the difference is that todays consumer level "drones" carry camera's, data links, auto pilots, and can essentially fly them selves..
I'm not sure where you draw the line between old fashioned RC models and todays modern "drones" but I think most people would regard them as "different"..
That said, I had a relative who was into RC models and Ham radio ect and he had a RC plane rigged up with a basic TV camera about 25 years ago, so I do get what you are saying..
It's the overuse of the word drone that kills me. And only because I used to fly RC. Those are all quadcopters. Period. It comes from the media wanting to fool the sheep of this national into believe your neighbor has one of these....
There was never a drone in this story. It's called a quadcopter, or perhaps an RC helecopter if it has 1 main rotor, and they've been around for 50 years.
I think the difference is that todays consumer level "drones" carry camera's, data links, auto pilots, and can essentially fly them selves..
I'm not sure where you draw the line between old fashioned RC models and todays modern "drones" but I think most people would regard them as "different"..
That said, I had a relative who was into RC models and Ham radio ect and he had a RC plane rigged up with a basic TV camera about 25 years ago, so I do get what you are saying..
It's the overuse of the word drone that kills me. And only because I used to fly RC. Those are all quadcopters. Period. It comes from the media wanting to fool the sheep of this national into believe your neighbor has one of these....
There was never a drone in this story. It's called a quadcopter, or perhaps an RC helecopter if it has 1 main rotor, and they've been around for 50 years.
I think the difference is that todays consumer level "drones" carry camera's, data links, auto pilots, and can essentially fly them selves..
I'm not sure where you draw the line between old fashioned RC models and todays modern "drones" but I think most people would regard them as "different"..
That said, I had a relative who was into RC models and Ham radio ect and he had a RC plane rigged up with a basic TV camera about 25 years ago, so I do get what you are saying..
It's the overuse of the word drone that kills me. And only because I used to fly RC. Those are all quadcopters. Period. It comes from the media wanting to fool the sheep of this national into believe your neighbor has one of these....
There was never a drone in this story. It's called a quadcopter, or perhaps an RC helecopter if it has 1 main rotor, and they've been around for 50 years. The drama with the media over the term "drone" makes me laugh. It's like "assault weapon" - they simply cannot use it enough.
It's like calling a magazine a clip - makes us all look stupid.
Pretty sensitive on this subject, eh ?
.....what sorta' trouble have YOU been in, with WTF you call them ?
There was never a drone in this story. It's called a quadcopter, or perhaps an RC helecopter if it has 1 main rotor, and they've been around for 50 years.
I think the difference is that todays consumer level "drones" carry camera's, data links, auto pilots, and can essentially fly them selves..
I'm not sure where you draw the line between old fashioned RC models and todays modern "drones" but I think most people would regard them as "different"..
That said, I had a relative who was into RC models and Ham radio ect and he had a RC plane rigged up with a basic TV camera about 25 years ago, so I do get what you are saying..
It's the overuse of the word drone that kills me. And only because I used to fly RC. Those are all quadcopters. Period. It comes from the media wanting to fool the sheep of this national into believe your neighbor has one of these....
I'm not saying I wouldn't do what the Dad in this incident did. But unfortantley he committed at least a class A Misc. by discharging a firearm in the city limits. Which means if he had a CHL, he's gonna lose it. Wouldn't be worth it to me.
Personally, I'd opt for a wrist rocket or an old fashioned sling shot loaded with ball bearings. Then keep your mouth shut when the Cops arrive and play dumb. Problem solved and no crime committed or jail time.
don't want your drone shot down, don't hover it over my family
no way to know who was controlling nor what their intent was from child pornography to casing the joint out, or intent to bodily harm.
property rights are what this nation was founded upon.
hope he gets off
but anymore, justice is a hard thing to find in a court of law in this country
Really? The nation was NOT founded on property rights.
Honestly don't give a rats azz whether it was or not, bring that chit into my backyard and hover around, and it's coming down. I may live in a city, but my neighborhood is full of rednecks, coonazzes, etc.... Nope, we didn't hear anything officer...
Wish I was on the jury when he goes to trial, no way he'd be found guilty! Given a civic award maybe...
A few years back the SCOTUS somehow found a right to privacy in the constitution. Regardless of whether its there or not, it's now the law and everything about us is now sealed. So how does flying a camera over our backyard get around the court's ruling?
In my almost septuagenarian mind, hovering a camera a few feet over two young sunbathing girls has only one purpose. If a cop fails to grasp that, he's a damn poor cop. If a prosecutor fails to grasp that, he ought to be fired immediately.
It was a very bad idea to shoot at the thing, but he had every right to "confiscate" it by any other means available to him. As I said in my first post pages ago, the need to preserve evidence such as the copter owner's fingerprints justifies knocking the thing out of the air.
Were I a judge there, I'd be happy to sign a search warrant to see if the copter owner has child porn on his computer. Because I'd agree that there's probable cause based on this event.
And the judge told him not to shoot down anymore drones while the case is pending.
Seriously?
It's Bullitt County, KY, whaddya expect? That's Louisville's Redneck Bedroom, where those who COULD afford to move, did, when busing took effect in Jefferson County Schools. It's within commuting distance of Louisville, but outside Jeff County, where all the badder things happen. Minorities are just that, in Bullitt County, and family still means something. It's REAL America. He just might get off there. They'll have a heckuva time finding a jury to convict him, if the charges aren't dropped altogether, and that MIGHT happen. You never know in Bullitt.
The pilot of the drone shot down Sunday evening over a Kentucky property has now come forward with video provided to Ars, seemingly showing that the drone wasn’t nearly as close as the property owner made it out to be. However, the federal legal standard for how far into the air a person’s private property extends remains in dispute.
According to the telemetry provided by David Boggs, the drone pilot, his aircraft was only in flight for barely two minutes before it was shot down. The data also shows that it was well over 200 feet above the ground before the fatal shots fired by William Merideth.
There has been no evidence shown that any pictures were being taken of his daughter nor his property.
For a crowd that talks so much about "rights" and "obeying laws", some seem quick to jump to conclusions with very few real facts.
I've not fired a weapon in the city limits in anger for several years now. My neighbors dog used to yap like a sumbeach at all hours of the night. When I'd approach the fence and yell at it the dog would viciously yap several inches away.
One night at 2 AM I walked out the door....coaked the yapping sumbeach to within 3 inches away and fired 3 fire breathing shots into the ground. The yapping sumbeach hit its owners back door running so fast it broke down the screen door. When Larry come running out I yelled across the fence......what in the helll was that explosion back here, sounded like it was in my back yard. After that night I'd tap on my back window if I heard a yap and it would go dead silent for the night.
States need to pass laws prohibiting flying of anything below 1000ft agl over private property except in a flight path w/o written permission. Don't want a Cessna over my roof low level either. Fines and jail time for "drone peeping" need to be instituted as well.
States need to pass laws prohibiting flying of anything below 1000ft agl over private property except in a flight path w/o written permission. Don't want a Cessna over my roof low level either. Fines and jail time for "drone peeping" need to be instituted as well.
So...
If you or one of your kin is critically injured in a vehicle accident you're willing to wait until the medi-vac chopper pilot has written permission from all of the land owners who's property said chopper will overfly.
Guess you don't understand 1000ft agl.... and easy to write in exceptions for emergency aircraft. FAA regs already state 500 or 1000ft agl above people or residential. Would just like to see those regs specifically adressing drones/snooping/peeping. http://www.risingup.com/fars/info/part91-119-FAR.shtml
Originally Posted By 86thecat States need to pass laws prohibiting flying of anything below 1000ft agl over private property except in a flight path w/o written permission. Don't want a Cessna over my roof low level either. Fines and jail time for "drone peeping" need to be instituted as well.
It would be easier to just outlaw the possession of drones altogether.
There's no need for a lot of complicated regulations that would be nearly impossible to enforce
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