Welfare pays better than working

In 34 states, welfare pays better than entry level work. Cut this, and maybe we won't have so many "jobs Americans won't do" for the illegals...

http://downtrend.com/robertgehl/welfare-is-the-best-paying-entry-level-job-in-34-states

Well,,,,, DUH.....

I agree 1000%. There should be an iron clad cut off time frame for any of it with 12 months MAX.

Should not be a way of life. 12 months max and if your babies are hungry call their daddies. Never could figure out why I have to pay for your tattoos . Come on Donald.

Yup. It pays significantly more than working. I'd guess that it would take at least a $15 an hour job to keep even with the amount an unwed mother draws through welfare. Considering that many unwed mothers didn't graduate high school and would be lucky to command a minimum wage job, it's no wonder that they choose welfare over work. It costs them money to take a job, I'd do the same if I were in their position.

and the sad thing is that many of these folks collecting, couldn't go out and get a job and keep it paying what they are getting on welfare even if they wanted to work...

Friend's sister in Massachusetts is netting $6K a month, from the state and Feds... and her "handicap" is she can't 'emotionally' hold a job....if you can believe that one..

she's been collecting from the state for a least 15 years or more...and as soon as her kids have turned 18, they get on the same welfare rolls on their own..

its ridiculous...

It's all about dignity. People shouldn't be forced to work for low wages and eat economy. It's undignified. They should be able to grow fat and lazy eating whatever the "F" they want.

You conservative meanies.

Frankly, I think they should be eating MREs, but the calorie count would probably give them heart attacks at an early age...wait a minute...

and all those entitlement queens vote. The recipient class is the 800 pound gorilla in the room. Romney came close, with his 47%, but he was off the mark by about 6 points.
Welfare rats will NEVER vote Conservative. The battle will always be to get a GOP candidate that is 'pure' enough to get the few conservatives still engaged, to go to the polls.
I predict we won't see another GOP President in our life time.

In order for someone to receive welfare, food stamps, and wicks cards and all of the other benefits they're cashing in on, they should:

be able to pass random drug tests.
have to have a birth control implant and have no more children while receiving benefits.
have a time limit.
not be able to vote on the grounds of conflict of interest.

A couple of simple rules would cut down on this real quick.

Originally Posted by Dan_Chamberlain

They should be able to grow fat and lazy eating whatever the "F" they want.

I will venture that one of the biggest hurdles to getting meaningful change in how the dollars are spent - and I would fully support such changes- would be (are) opposed by the retail industry as well as food producers - including some of the big ones - like sugar- which are already on the government dole themselves.

Originally Posted by StoneCutter

In order for someone to receive welfare, food stamps, and wicks cards and all of the other benefits they're cashing in on, they should:

be able to pass random drug tests. Absolutely!
have to have a birth control implant and have no more children while receiving benefits. You must be one of those mean angry old white men!!
have a time limit. Why not?
not be able to vote on the grounds of conflict of interest. Just because Hillary Rodham Obama has put a grin on Tricky Dick's face does not justify turning LBJ over like a rotisserie pig

A couple of simple rules would cut down on this real quick.

As is the case with our counterfeit citizen brothers and sisters of the darker persuasion, if they bleed, they breed... These child parents, 12 and younger, couldn't drive to a job if they had one.
What is the answer?

Originally Posted by Mannlicher

and all those entitlement queens vote.
Welfare rats will NEVER vote Conservative.

I have been saying this for years. I used to have predominantly Section 8 recipient tenants years ago in Dade. I got so sick of their lies and defrauding the govt, I trimmed that down to 2. And those 2 are only still there because I know every facet of their income, family needs, and social behavior.

I am speaking from many years experience here. In my experience, most of those receiving govt housing assistance are defrauding the program. Read that again. MOST OF THOSE RECEIVING GOVT HOUSING ASSISTANCE ARE DEFRAUDING THE PROGRAM.

I'll give you a prime, shining example that occurs in a vast majority of cases. Baby momma has 2 to several kids and says she can't support them on her income and applies for "assistance". Baby momma gets her voucher (estimated rent supplement based on documents she's submitted to local county housing authority office about her income, child support, assets, etc). She finds a place suitable to her and goes through the process to move in.

Baby Momma ALWAYS moves Baby Daddy or current Daddy Love in with her lickety split before the ink dries on the "assistance" docs.

Oh, and if that pisses you off, some Baby Mommas portray themselves as the matriarch of the hood and start collecting other kids, and harvesting envelopes full of even more EBT cards.

And if you don't think the same phugking thing happens on the Spaneesh side of the tracks, I got news for ya.

Your tax dollars at work.

Originally Posted by Klikitarik

Originally Posted by Dan_Chamberlain

They should be able to grow fat and lazy eating whatever the "F" they want.

I will venture that one of the biggest hurdles to getting meaningful change in how the dollars are spent - and I would fully support such changes- would be (are) opposed by the retail industry as well as food producers - including some of the big ones - like sugar- which are already on the government dole themselves.

I'd not put too much hope in any real substantial reforms to government welfare programs in the foreseeable future, regardless which political party is running the country.

There's simply too much tax payer money being made by powerful big name retailers, wholesalers, and manufacturers of food products as well as banks. http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/12/five-facts-really-behind-food-stamp-program/#!

Same goes for ObamaCare, too. Insurance companies and banks are now raking in billions thanks to ObamaCare. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/18/u...obama-and-insurers-into-allies.html?_r=1

Originally Posted by sidepass

Should not be a way of life. 12 months max and if your babies are hungry call their daddies. Never could figure out why I have to pay for your tattoos . Come on Donald.

The same thing here in Australia...only I would like to see the dole available for only three months in any fifteen months, eg, if you sit on your backside for three months on the dole you cannot access same for another twelve months after that.

And kick ALL FORIEGN WORKERS out of the country, and not allow any back in unless the jobless rate goes below .5%.

If people don't work then I do not see why I should support them and their various broods indefinitely.

I saw an example where between the kids, food, rent,disability, and free medical they can bring home almost 75K per year. Depending on the number of kids maybe more. And that is for life.

Mid 80's I had some inside info from a landlord on a family of four collecting welfare. The dad's, father had a shop where he could work two days a week,and not loose any benefits.

I also had a bubby working in a union warehouse making $16 per hour plus benefits.

Both family's were within a few dollars of being equal amounts of income and benefits to each home.
Close enough we were not sure who making the most after taxes.

Fburgtx: The moral of the story (in your posts heading!) is "be careful, VERY CAREFUL, who YOU vote for"!
Sad state of affairs in our country these days.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

Originally Posted by VarmintGuy

Fburgtx: The moral of the story (in your posts heading!) is "be careful, VERY CAREFUL, who YOU vote for"!
Sad state of affairs in our country these days.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

What choices have we had in the last several decades that would have made a difference?

Can we say none, nada, no one?

Unless Trump, or some one like him, can throw a monkey wrench into this completely broken system and completely change it, it is doomed.

Originally Posted by joken2

Originally Posted by Klikitarik

Originally Posted by Dan_Chamberlain

They should be able to grow fat and lazy eating whatever the "F" they want.

I will venture that one of the biggest hurdles to getting meaningful change in how the dollars are spent - and I would fully support such changes- would be (are) opposed by the retail industry as well as food producers - including some of the big ones - like sugar- which are already on the government dole themselves.

I'd not put too much hope in any real substantial reforms to government welfare programs in the foreseeable future, regardless which political party is running the country.

There's simply too much tax payer money being made by powerful big name retailers, wholesalers, and manufacturers of food products as well as banks. http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/12/five-facts-really-behind-food-stamp-program/#!

Same goes for ObamaCare, too. Insurance companies and banks are now raking in billions thanks to ObamaCare. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/18/u...obama-and-insurers-into-allies.html?_r=1

Spot on. Poor folks are just pawns in a much bigger scam going on. It's about taking money from you and I, and transferring it to whoever has the best lobbyists.

Originally Posted by RJL53

I agree 1000%. There should be an iron clad cut off time frame for any of it with 12 months MAX.

I think they need to wake up at 5 in the morning, go clock in somewhere and pick up trash all day long or clean our forests... Drug test them periodically too. There would be a lot less people, out there, taking advantage of the system...

Originally Posted by Crow hunter

Yup. It pays significantly more than working. I'd guess that it would take at least a $15 an hour job to keep even with the amount an unwed mother draws through welfare. Considering that many unwed mothers didn't graduate high school and would be lucky to command a minimum wage job, it's no wonder that they choose welfare over work. It costs them money to take a job, I'd do the same if I were in their position.

That has always been the problem. Especially when you factor in the cost of daycare so you can go to work. I known a young mother whose man dumped her with two kids. His whereabouts are unknown. She is ashamed to be on welfare, but the numbers are what they are.

The good news is that they are also paying for her update training. It may be the light at the end of the tunnel and she is working hard to get there.

Sterilization should be mandatory for anyone who goes on welfare.

Originally Posted by local_dirt

Originally Posted by Mannlicher

and all those entitlement queens vote.
Welfare rats will NEVER vote Conservative.

Agree completely. All Hillary has to do is show up and preach to the sponges and she's in.

I have been saying this for years. I used to have predominantly Section 8 recipient tenants years ago in Dade. I got so sick of their lies and defrauding the govt, I trimmed that down to 2. And those 2 are only still there because I know every facet of their income, family needs, and social behavior.

I am speaking from many years experience here. In my experience, most of those receiving govt housing assistance are defrauding the program. Read that again. MOST OF THOSE RECEIVING GOVT HOUSING ASSISTANCE ARE DEFRAUDING THE PROGRAM.

I'll give you a prime, shining example that occurs in a vast majority of cases. Baby momma has 2 to several kids and says she can't support them on her income and applies for "assistance". Baby momma gets her voucher (estimated rent supplement based on documents she's submitted to local county housing authority office about her income, child support, assets, etc). She finds a place suitable to her and goes through the process to move in.

Baby Momma ALWAYS moves Baby Daddy or current Daddy Love in with her lickety split before the ink dries on the "assistance" docs.

Oh, and if that pisses you off, some Baby Mommas portray themselves as the matriarch of the hood and start collecting other kids, and harvesting envelopes full of even more EBT cards.

And if you don't think the same phugking thing happens on the Spaneesh side of the tracks, I got news for ya.

Your tax dollars at work.

I had this scenario happening 20 years ago. Two white trash baby mommas with 2 fook trophys each move in together. Then the boy friend of one, a OTR trucker shows. Then grandma with a real job at the phone co or something moves in.
They have BD parties for the kids with clowns, jumpers, balloons, the works. They also have perfect hair and nails, all the other female crap. My wife was baking cakes, painting her own nails and getting $10 haircuts. She finally had enough and ratted them out but we never saw any change in their life style before we moved out 2 years later.
The survey also shows the highest 10 states or so is in the northeast, IE, high density population states.
We're screwed guys.

mandatory drug testing
mandatory work assignments, one of which would be manning a daycare for other welfare women so they can work. theres a lot of work that could get done. picking up trash is top on the list.
mandatory job training. something to get them off the tit. a lot of this could be self fulfilling positions. if you're on welfare, you work for welfare to get off welfare.

and yet i bust my arse for alot less than $75K when i qualify for disability

In my AO we have the jobless welfare, but mostly it is employed welfare. With such a low wage base we have a lot of families with two parents working, sometimes multiple jobs, and still below poverty level. Many get wic or access cards. I used to be quick to judge when I saw the card, but now see many working people with them. Have to sometimes wonder is this weflare for the people, or the business that employ them. When my father hired a man, he had to be able to pay him a decent wage, or he didn't hire. Today many folks hire as cheap as possible, and let the government take care of the employee.

Originally Posted by StoneCutter

In order for someone to receive welfare, food stamps, and wicks cards and all of the other benefits they're cashing in on, they should:

be able to pass random drug tests. That would remove many democratic voters from the welfare system so it won't happen.

have to have a birth control implant and have no more children while receiving benefits. That would limit the number of children for future generations that are on welfare which would remove democratic voters from the welfare system so it won't happen.

have a time limit. Again, that would remove democratic voters from the welfare system

not be able to vote on the grounds of conflict of interest. See above

A couple of simple rules would cut down on this real quick.

A couple of simple rules WOULD cut down on this real quick but there is no political will to do so. Welfare is a vote buying scheme, nothing more. Lyndon Johnson at least was honest when he said "I'll have those n*ggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years." (Attributed to Ron Kessler's book Inside the White House). When you understand the real reason all these welfare programs exist you understand why they'll never go away. Democrats control the White House and have a filibuster margin in the senate. These welfare programs have been put into place as entitlements which require super majorities to remove or defund, once in place they're almost impossible to remove. They also control the news media.

All those things you mentioned should happen but they never will because the percentage of welfare recipients increases with every passing day. The demographics tipped years ago, it's all downhill from here.

Consider only a couple simple food sources,

http://www.pepsico.com/Brands

then consider the power of the lobbies behind them.

http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/why-congress-should-repeal-sugar-subsidy

And it's a lot bigger than just sugar related industries...

It's easy to see why this problem continues to exist and why it won't easily go away….

Originally Posted by Dillonbuck

In my AO we have the jobless welfare, but mostly it is employed welfare. With such a low wage base we have a lot of families with two parents working, sometimes multiple jobs, and still below poverty level. Many get wic or access cards. I used to be quick to judge when I saw the card, but now see many working people with them. Have to sometimes wonder is this weflare for the people, or the business that employ them. When my father hired a man, he had to be able to pay him a decent wage, or he didn't hire. Today many folks hire as cheap as possible, and let the government take care of the employee.

We've got the same situation around here. Lot's of working folks who are still below poverty level despite full time employment. The raping of the American working class and American taxpayers by corporate America.