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Posted By: ltppowell Most Principled Candidate - 10/06/15
I know this matters not to many, but to some r does.

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Rush Limbaugh is right: Ted Cruz is most-principled candidate

It seems to me the only principled reason to be a Republican would be to stop, thwart and defeat Leftist ideas you’re opposed to. Therefore, what better standard by which to judge Republican presidential candidates than by who is the most committed to actually defeating the opposition?

And who might that candidate be in 2016? Well, according to the man from whom much of today’s conservative multimedia empire originates, that candidate is Ted Cruz.

“If you’re looking for the Republican candidate who is the most steadfastly opposed to liberalism, whose agenda is oriented towards stopping it, thwarting it, and defeating it – it’s Ted Cruz,” Mr. Limbaugh recently said on his popular radio program.

Let the record show that as usual, Rush is right.

In fact, I challenge anybody reading this to make an objective case there is a more principled candidate in the race than Mr. Cruz — because you can’t. I also work for an organization called Conservative Review, which gives regularly scheduled proctology exams to the records of politicians by charting how they vote on a full spectrum of conservative issues via our “liberty scorecard.” Mr. Cruz currently has our second-highest score at 96 percent, which is second only to Mike Lee.

Except Mr. Cruz does not just settle for voting the right way when it’s all said and done, but he fights back on our behalf against the corruption infesting Washington as well as the “losership” of the Republican Party.

For example, while campaign rivals like Carly Fiorina and Mike Huckabee were urging Republicans to cave and fund Obamacare two years ago, Mr. Cruz fought to try and stop it from ever seeing the light of day. While Marco Rubio was becoming the poster-child for the “gang of eight” amnesty scam, Mr. Cruz helped to lead the fight to kill it. While Rand Paul and others were endorsing the very GOP corporatist shills in contested primaries that are betraying us now, Mr. Cruz tried to defeat them.

To this day, he remains the only GOP presidential candidate to speak out against the heinous race-baiting the party used to stop Chris McDaniel from beating moderate incumbent Thad Cochran in a U.S. Senate primary last year. This is why Mr. McDaniel is now coordinating Mr. Cruz’s presidential campaign in his home state of Mississippi.

Here is the bottom line: If someone doesn’t have a proven history of fighting the corruption in Washington before getting elected, that probably means they’re unlikely to do it after they reach the White House.

Mr. Cruz’s willingness to fight is why activists see him as one of our own. He’s the only candidate ever to win the Values Voters Summit straw poll of social conservatives three years in a row. He also won the Freedom Works straw poll of limited government conservatives earlier this year by almost 30 points over his next-closest competitor. He was the only candidate endorsed by Gun Owners of America as well.

Mr. Cruz also doesn’t pander to lobbyists. Like when he came to my home state of Iowa and openly opposed the government-mandated Renewable Fuel Standard. He hasn’t given up on the institution of marriage, and is one of just four candidates to sign the National Organization for Marriage pledge.

Nor does Mr. Cruz bow to the canard of judicial fiat. While others who had previously spent their entire political careers doing so were suddenly giving speeches quoting the Founding Fathers, Mr. Cruz was filing legislation in Congress to strip federal courts of jurisdiction over marriage. He also urged states that were not a party to the Obergefell opinion to ignore it. Furthermore, Mr. Cruz has vowed as president to nullify any federal government intrusions upon religious liberty as a result of Obergefell.

As a former litigator himself, Mr. Cruz won numerous landmark federal/Supreme Court cases on some of today’s most important constitutional issues, such as national sovereignty, the Second Amendment and religious liberty. No other candidate can say that.

In fact, no other candidate has the proven record of fighting liberalism – from both Democrats and Republicans – Mr. Cruz has. No one running in this field can top this resume (or anyone running in the last several cycles for that matter).

He is the most principled candidate in the race, just as Mr. Limbaugh said.

We have a whole field right now made up mostly of campaign conservatives. They are people who promise to take us to the moon and back, and who take uber-principled positions the likes of which they’ve scoffed at before. For example, if a candidate didn’t support the fight to stop the most pro-abortion legislation in American history in the form of Obamacare, should we now trust that they’ll have the courage of conviction to take on the whole abortion industry just because they say they will on the campaign trail?

Conservatives should be asking themselves this question: Based on their proven records, which of these candidates is the most likely to follow through on what they’re saying once elected?

That’s why I am supporting Mr. Cruz. He’s done everything we’ve ever asked a Republican to do, and he’s also built one of the best organized and best funded campaigns in the race. Unlike previous conservatives who ran for president in recent cycles, Mr. Cruz has the resources to truly run a national campaign.

It’s time for the rest of the conservative movement to give Mr. Cruz the recognition and support he has earned. We need not lament a lack of principle or resources. Mr. Cruz has met both thresholds.

It is time for our movement to decide if it is still capable of moving ideas and advancing policy, or if we are just an industry that sells a lot of books and tickets to a lot of conferences. The future of the country is at stake. This is no time for flirting with insiders pretending to be outsiders, or with nice guy candidates we all know have no chance because they haven’t laid the groundwork it takes to compete. This is the moment to finally put the full weight of our movement behind a worthy champion.

Someone who has proven they will fight for us. That someone is Ted Cruz.

Unimportant people like me see it. Very important people like Rush Limbaugh see it. Now it’s time for the conservative movement to see it, too.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...imbaugh-right-ted-cruz-most-prin/?page=2
Still sending him money, hope he pulls it off.
Posted By: Calhoun Re: Most Principled Candidate - 10/06/15
I agree. Only downside I know of to Cruz is his polling. Well, that and he's a lawyer. But nobody is perfect.
wow thought sure it was gonna be about Hillary.


figure she was the "most" principled


as she seems to be willing to change her principles on a dime to achieve whatever power she can grab.
Posted By: Bristoe Re: Most Principled Candidate - 10/06/15
I would like to hear Cruz give the specific details of why he strongly supported TPP before deciding against supporting it and I'd like him to give a specific rundown of the lies that he accused McConnell of.

Not that I doubt McConnell lied. But if Cruz is going to make the statement, he should get specific about it.
Oh Cruz is principled all right...principled to let Israel tell him what to do.

IMO he's a borderline sociopath in that regard and a total Shabbos goy.

I want a potus that represents ME and my nation, and not some Jews half way around the world.
Originally Posted by ltppowell
I know this matters not to many, but to some r does.

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Ted Cruz is playing a slow and steady campaign, but for the firebrand Texas senator, that doesn’t translate into being quiet. 

In the past week alone, he has stolen supporters from fellow Republican presidential candidate Rand Paul (Ky.), won the rousing support of evangelicals and had to be shut down by Senate leaders for trying to complicate efforts on a short-term funding extension with a protest vote against Planned Parenthood funding.  


That reflects Cruz's efforts to try to emerge as the consensus anti-establishment candidate if and when the top three outsider candidates, and his biggest rivals, peter out. 

Rolling out Libertarian supporters who previously backed Sen. Paul's father in his presidential bids is part of Cruz's aim to go after his rivals on their home field.  

“Our theory has always been that you need to crush your bracket first in order to advance,” Rick Tyler, a Cruz spokesperson, said, comparing the primary slog to the annual college basketball tournament.

"We don't want to break out. ... We are moving slow and steady." 

Tyler sees the GOP primary electorate as four distinct “brackets” of voters — libertarian, evangelical, Tea Party, and establishment candidates — and it’s clear that Cruz continues to make a play for all but the latter. 
Cruz’s “Liberty Leaders for Cruz” coalition is made up of mostly former Rep. Ron Paul (Texas) supporters, a direct affront to Sen. Rand Paul. 

And the attack has come as Paul’s support has waned in the polls and amid reports that he’s shifted some emphasis toward fundraising for his Senate reelection.
 
Cruz’s endorsements prompted a major rebuke from Paul on Fox News Radio on Tuesday, where he bashed Cruz’s legislative record and said that his “lack of personal relationships” have contributed to a downfall in the Senate.

Cruz has already made a strong play for the evangelical and Tea Party blocs — jumping into the race as a Tea Party favorite, he immediately made a play for Christian conservative voters with an announcement from the evangelical Liberty University. 

Indicative of the fruits of that play, a strong win at last weekend’s Values Voter Summit straw poll, with almost double the support of second-place finisher Ben Carson and more than double the support for former Gov. Mike Huckabee (Ark.).  
GOP strategists say he’s in a solid position to be the first choice of other candidates' supporters once their favorite drops out.
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Read More:  http://thehill.com
Cruz is our last chance to turn this country around. NOT because of who Cruz is, but because of who WE are.

If there are not enough of "US" to get behind the candidate who is clearly better than the field, then the Media, both Right and Left, will be in charge from now on.

His "delivery style" was good enough for the SCOTUS Justices [and they hear only the best] in the cases he argued before them, but not good enough for the campfire.

The "Media" is doing its job.
Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine
Oh Cruz is principled all right...principled to let Israel Himey tell him what to do.

IMO he's a borderline sociopath Jew-lover in that regard and a total Shabbos goy.

I want a potus that represents ME and my nation, and not some Jews Jesus Killers half way around the world.


Fixed it for you for what your post reads like. Jesus, there are some sick people on these forums...
The good news about Cruz is that his fund raising in solid and he's got a lot of money in the bank. He'll still be there when this gets down to 4 candidates and then hopefully his message on Constitution, rule of law and individual liberty will speak volumes.
I'm not sick, I just don't want a potus to kiss the ass of any other nation...be it Israel or be it Sweden.

I can tell you've been 'conditioned' very well.
Posted By: Bristoe Re: Most Principled Candidate - 10/06/15
Originally Posted by BOWSINGER
 

Rolling out Libertarian supporters who previously backed Sen. Paul's father in his presidential bids is part of Cruz's aim to go after his rivals on their home field.  


I think he's already screwed the pooch on that possibility.

Cruz identified himself as an establishment candidate when he made a trip to Israel with McConnell during his first week in Congress.

His strong cheerleading for TPP also needs a good explanation.

In any event, the former supporters of Ron Paul represent the protest vote against the establishment GOP.

Cruz is going to have a hard time convincing them that he's an anti establishment candidate.
Posted By: Bristoe Re: Most Principled Candidate - 10/06/15
This:

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews....nnell-first-official-overseas-trip.html/

and this:

http://netrightdaily.com/2015/04/ted-cruz-joins-the-establishment/
3 candidates who could hold their own with Cruz in a 4 way debate.
Rubio, Fiorina and Christie.

I'm talking strictly about debating skills based on their debates and interviews this last couple of months.

Their records of achievement is a whole different matter. But these guys have been sharp on screen.
Posted By: Anjin Re: Most Principled Candidate - 10/06/15
I have much admiration and regard for Ted Cruz. I like him. Most of the article is valid and he has a great future in government. He serves us well.

At the same time, I do not feel that he is the best candidate for President in terms of "moving ideas and advancing policy." He is too loyal to conservative issues to be the leader that we need at this time –– or to attract the cross-party votes necessary to win. Even if he won, he would have trouble in getting anything done.

For lack of another, I still think that Trump fills that bill, warts and all.

His principles are fine in my book, I like that he is a successful businessman and, as such, he understands the economy is ways that no politician ever can.

Look at his tax reform plan, which is fantastic. For example, getting much of the $1.2 trillion or so sheltered abroad by American companies repatriated to the US would be hugely beneficial. That is their own money, they earned it, and it is stuck abroad so that it is not sacrificed to the spendthrift federal government and wasted on foolish policies. No other American politician has suggested an acceptable way to induce them to bring it in. That is just one way he is smarter –– street smarter –– than the others.
Posted By: Bristoe Re: Most Principled Candidate - 10/06/15
Originally Posted by BOWSINGER
3 candidates who could hold their own with Cruz in a 4 way debate.
Rubio, Fiorina and Christie.

I'm talking strictly about debating skills based on their debates and interviews this last couple of months.

Their records of achievement is a whole different matter. But these guys have been sharp on screen.


All 3 represent the "more war in the Middle East" wing of the GOP.
Trump 1st in national polls Canadian CRUZ 6th place in mid single digits

Trump 1st in TEXAS polls Canadian Cruz 2Nd place 5% back of TRUMP.

Read 'em & weep.
Posted By: Bristoe Re: Most Principled Candidate - 10/06/15
If someone wants a "more war" candidate, they really should go with Hillary.
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All 3 represent the "more war in the Middle East" wing of the GOP.


And what can we extrapolate from that? Who they've been bought by, that's what.

I'm weary of the whole dynamic. Time to start gettin' real.
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by BOWSINGER
3 candidates who could hold their own with Cruz in a 4 way debate.
Rubio, Fiorina and Christie.

I'm talking strictly about debating skills based on their debates and interviews this last couple of months.

Their records of achievement is a whole different matter. But these guys have been sharp on screen.


All 3 represent the "more war in the Middle East" wing of the GOP.


What part of "I'm talking strictly about debating skills based on their debates and interviews this last couple of months" did you not understand?

No way could Trump go one-on-one with any of the four named debaters.
Posted By: add Re: Most Principled Candidate - 10/06/15
Originally Posted by gahuntertom
Trump 1st in TEXAS polls Canadian Cruz 2Nd place 5% back of TRUMP.

Read 'em & weep.

In his home state, a red state where he should be best known, he is not even ahead.

That IS a big indicator as far as potential national viability.

Not exactly same/same, but it is telling that Gore didn't take TN.
Originally Posted by Bristoe
If someone wants a "more war" candidate, they really should go with Hillary.



If someone wants a "more war" candidate, they really should go with Trump. Based on what he has said...

Posted By: Bristoe Re: Most Principled Candidate - 10/06/15
Originally Posted by BOWSINGER
Originally Posted by Bristoe
If someone wants a "more war" candidate, they really should go with Hillary.



If someone wants a "more war" candidate, they really should go with Trump. Based on what he has said...



Trump has said that the U.S. needs a military strong enough that we'd never need to use it.

He also accused the current administration of trying to start WWIII in Syria,...said it was crazy.

Cruz, Fiorina, and Christie have all called for increased U.S. military action in the Middle East.

Fiorina's rhetoric is the worst. She wants to stop all types of diplomacy with Russia, Install additional ballistic missiles in Poland, and arm Sunni Muslim insurgents in Syria.
Originally Posted by add
Originally Posted by gahuntertom
Trump 1st in TEXAS polls Canadian Cruz 2Nd place 5% back of TRUMP.

Read 'em & weep.

In his home state, a red state where he should be best known, he is not even ahead.

That IS a big indicator as far as potential national viability.

Not exactly same/same, but it is telling that Gore didn't take TN.



Cruz owns Texas when it comes down to who people would actually vote for.
Trump's lead is nothing compared to what Cruz overcame to get to the Senate.
Posted By: Bristoe Re: Most Principled Candidate - 10/06/15
Originally Posted by BOWSINGER
Cruz owns Texas when it comes down to who people would actually vote for.


That's opinion which has no basis in fact.
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Cruz owns Texas when it comes down to who people would actually vote for.
Trump's lead is nothing compared to what Cruz overcame to get to the Senate.


Again, with the Jethro Bodine cypherin'....

Nought equals nought, and carry the ought...
Posted By: RickyD Re: Most Principled Candidate - 10/06/15
Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine
Oh Cruz is principled all right...principled to let Israel tell him what to do.

IMO he's a borderline sociopath in that regard and a total Shabbos goy.

I want a potus that represents ME and my nation, and not some Jews half way around the world.
Hitler's dead.
Posted By: jwp475 Re: Most Principled Candidate - 10/06/15


Correct on all counts about Cruz.
Posted By: Anjin Re: Most Principled Candidate - 10/06/15
Originally Posted by BOWSINGER
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by BOWSINGER
3 candidates who could hold their own with Cruz in a 4 way debate.
Rubio, Fiorina and Christie.

I'm talking strictly about debating skills based on their debates and interviews this last couple of months.

Their records of achievement is a whole different matter. But these guys have been sharp on screen.


All 3 represent the "more war in the Middle East" wing of the GOP.


What part of "I'm talking strictly about debating skills based on their debates and interviews this last couple of months" did you not understand?

No way could Trump go one-on-one with any of the four named debaters.


With respect, I think most voters realize that debating skills should not be the test. grin
Originally Posted by RickyD
Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine
Oh Cruz is principled all right...principled to let Israel tell him what to do.

IMO he's a borderline sociopath in that regard and a total Shabbos goy.

I want a potus that represents ME and my nation, and not some Jews half way around the world.
Hitler's dead.


And Another conditioned goy weighs in...

You're special, aren't you.
Posted By: RickyD Re: Most Principled Candidate - 10/06/15
The substance of the debate should.
Posted By: add Re: Most Principled Candidate - 10/06/15
Originally Posted by BOWSINGER
Originally Posted by add
Originally Posted by gahuntertom
Trump 1st in TEXAS polls Canadian Cruz 2Nd place 5% back of TRUMP.

Read 'em & weep.

In his home state, a red state where he should be best known, he is not even ahead.

That IS a big indicator as far as potential national viability.

Not exactly same/same, but it is telling that Gore didn't take TN.



Cruz owns Texas when it comes down to who people would actually vote for.
Trump's lead is nothing compared to what Cruz overcame to get to the Senate.

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Yep. ....... We got us a bunch of real political experts here on the 'fire.

A blowhard, former democrat, from N.Y. is gonna prevail in a Primary election against Ted Cruz in Cruz's home state.
Originally Posted by curdog4570
Yep. ....... We got us a bunch of real political experts here on the 'fire.

A blowhard, former democrat, from N.Y. is gonna prevail in a Primary election against Ted Cruz in Cruz's home state.


Well, he's 'prevailing' right now.

You got evidence to the contrary?
Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine
Originally Posted by RickyD
Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine
Oh Cruz is principled all right...principled to let Israel tell him what to do.

IMO he's a borderline sociopath in that regard and a total Shabbos goy.

I want a potus that represents ME and my nation, and not some Jews half way around the world.
Hitler's dead.


And Another conditioned goy Jew-Lover weighs in...

You're special, aren't you.


Fixed it for you. Maybe you should just copy and paste and save me time...
Posted By: Calhoun Re: Most Principled Candidate - 10/06/15
Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine
Originally Posted by curdog4570
Yep. ....... We got us a bunch of real political experts here on the 'fire.

A blowhard, former democrat, from N.Y. is gonna prevail in a Primary election against Ted Cruz in Cruz's home state.


Well, he's 'prevailing' right now.

You got evidence to the contrary?

He's only leading with the voting split 16 ways.

If you add up 1st and 2nd choices of who Texans want for Prez - Trump loses to both Cruz and Carson.

I'll say it again... in EVERY poll I've seen so far, Trump's constituency consists almost totally of the people voting for him as the candidate. The majority of people who aren't choosing him as #1 really dislike him. So as candidates drop out, his lead disappears.

First & Second choice preferences in Texas (Sept. 8-21):
Trump - 31%
Cruz - 34%
Carson - 33%
Bush - 13%
Fiorina - 13%
Rubio - 7%


Facts.
Posted By: Bristoe Re: Most Principled Candidate - 10/06/15
So basically, you're saying that Trump wouldn't be the first choice in Texas if Trump wasn't a candidate.
Posted By: add Re: Most Principled Candidate - 10/06/15
Originally Posted by Ghostinthemachine
Originally Posted by curdog4570
Yep. ....... We got us a bunch of real political experts here on the 'fire.

A blowhard, former democrat, from N.Y. is gonna prevail in a Primary election against Ted Cruz in Cruz's home state.


Well, he's 'prevailing' right now.

You got evidence to the contrary?


Yes he does... Bowsinger.
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Yes he does... Bowsinger.


Well that's right, I forgot about Jethro's mathematic and calculus skilz.
Posted By: Calhoun Re: Most Principled Candidate - 10/06/15
Originally Posted by Bristoe
So basically, you're saying that Trump wouldn't be the first choice in Texas if Trump wasn't a candidate.

I'll put it into smaller words for you.

In Texas, more people like Carson and Cruz than like Trump.
Anybody got an argument that's not a blatant attempt to pimp their own candidate?
Posted By: Bristoe Re: Most Principled Candidate - 10/06/15
Originally Posted by Calhoun
Originally Posted by Bristoe
So basically, you're saying that Trump wouldn't be the first choice in Texas if Trump wasn't a candidate.

I'll put it into smaller words for you.

In Texas, more people like Carson and Cruz than like Trump.


You're 3rd grade arithmetic teacher needs to be fired.

In texas, Trump 21%, Cruz 16%.

Percentages really aren't all that tricky to master.

It's all based on the number 100.

Originally Posted by Calhoun
Originally Posted by Bristoe
So basically, you're saying that Trump wouldn't be the first choice in Texas if Trump wasn't a candidate.

I'll put it into smaller words for you.

In Texas, more people like Carson and Cruz than like Trump.


Anectdotal bordering on hyperbole.

The poll has spoken and you don't like it. TFB.
Posted By: RufusG Re: Most Principled Candidate - 10/06/15
Originally Posted by ltppowell
Anybody got an argument that's not a blatant attempt to pimp their own candidate?


Here’s one: his wife works for what’s potentially the most evil entity on earth outside of our federal government. Don’t know exactly what that’s worth but it has to give pause.
Posted By: add Re: Most Principled Candidate - 10/06/15
Originally Posted by Calhoun
Originally Posted by Bristoe
So basically, you're saying that Trump wouldn't be the first choice in Texas if Trump wasn't a candidate.

I'll put it into smaller words for you.

In Texas, more people like Carson and Cruz than like Trump.


Are all the states allowing voters to chose their top 2 this primary cycle or just Texas? laugh
Posted By: add Re: Most Principled Candidate - 10/06/15
Originally Posted by ltppowell
Anybody got an argument that's not a blatant attempt to pimp their own candidate?


No.

If by principled you mean consistent on the issues and ideology (which I value), Cruz pretty much wins that as far as message.


Last cycle it was Ron Paul - how'd that feather crossover to winning the WH?
Posted By: Calhoun Re: Most Principled Candidate - 10/06/15
Math is so hard for some people.

The things Trump does take #1 consistently in with GOP polls is the number of people who distrust him, and the number of people who won't vote for him.

Go ahead and cheer him on. He needs the help getting his sister onto the Supreme Court.
Originally Posted by Bristoe
I would like to hear Cruz give the specific details of why he strongly supported TPP before deciding against supporting it and I'd like him to give a specific rundown of the lies that he accused McConnell of.

Not that I doubt McConnell lied. But if Cruz is going to make the statement, he should get specific about it.


Cruz gave a full disclosure on TPP on the Rush Limbaugh show a month or two ago. Bottom line was he trusted McConnell to keep his word. Big mistake.
Posted By: RickyD Re: Most Principled Candidate - 10/06/15
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by Calhoun
Originally Posted by Bristoe
So basically, you're saying that Trump wouldn't be the first choice in Texas if Trump wasn't a candidate.

I'll put it into smaller words for you.

In Texas, more people like Carson and Cruz than like Trump.


You're 3rd grade arithmetic teacher needs to be fired.

In texas, Trump 21%, Cruz 16%.

Percentages really aren't all that tricky to master.

It's all based on the number 100.

Just depends on which worthless poll you use.
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by BOWSINGER
Cruz owns Texas when it comes down to who people would actually vote for.


That's opinion which has no basis in fact.


Texas is a big state. But somehow Lyceum could only find 261 GOP primary voters.
So their margin of error is +/- 6 percent. Trump leads by 5 points.

In May 2012 Dewhurst was leading Cruz by 17 points; 46 to 29 percent
Cruz beat Dewhurst; 56.8 to 43.2.


Cruz should drop out. Trump has Texas all sewn up...

Texas Lyceum Republican Primary
Donald Trump 21%
Ted Cruz 16%
Ben Carson 12%
Jeb Bush 10%
Carly Fiorina 6%
Marco Rubio 3%
Mike Huckabee 2%
Rand Paul 1%
John Kasich 1%
Bobby Jindal 1%
George Pataki 1%
Rick Santorum 1%
Lindsey Graham 0%
Chris Christie 0%
Jim Gilmore 0%
Survey of 261 GOP primary voters was conducted September 8-21, 2015. The margin of error is +/- 6.01 percentage points. Data courtesy of the Argo Journal.



Posted By: Bristoe Re: Most Principled Candidate - 10/06/15
Originally Posted by ltppowell
Anybody got an argument that's not a blatant attempt to pimp their own candidate?


Cruz is an Israel firster.

That's something that's starting to cost candidates support.

The GOP is going to have to get away from it.

A lot of Americans are getting tired of fighting Israel's wars.
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by ltppowell
Anybody got an argument that's not a blatant attempt to pimp their own candidate?


Cruz is an Israel firster.

That's something that's starting to cost candidates support.

The GOP is going to have to get away from it.

A lot of Americans are getting tired of fighting Israel's wars.




Trump is an Israel firster.

Takes family vacations in Israel every year to visit his relation and check up on his business interests.

Posted By: Bristoe Re: Most Principled Candidate - 10/06/15
If Trump was an Israel firster, the media would be holding parades for him.
Originally Posted by Bristoe
If Trump was an Israel firster, the media would be holding parades for him.


Media ain't holding any parades for Cruz.
Originally Posted by WyColoCowboy
The good news about Cruz is that his fund raising in solid and he's got a lot of money in the bank. He'll still be there when this gets down to 4 candidates and then hopefully his message on Constitution, rule of law and individual liberty will speak volumes.


I hope it's the right strategy. I hope the people support him at this point don't give up on him before he get's a chance to use that money. I think he's our best bet at this point.
Posted By: Anjin Re: Most Principled Candidate - 10/06/15
Originally Posted by Anjin
I have much admiration and regard for Ted Cruz. I like him. Most of the article is valid and he has a great future in government. He serves us well.

At the same time, I do not feel that he is the best candidate for President in terms of "moving ideas and advancing policy." He is too loyal to conservative issues to be the leader that we need at this time –– or to attract the cross-party votes necessary to win. Even if he won, he would have trouble in getting anything done.

For lack of another, I still think that Trump fills that bill, warts and all.

His principles are fine in my book, I like that he is a successful businessman and, as such, he understands the economy is ways that no politician ever can.

Look at his tax reform plan, which is fantastic. For example, getting much of the $1.2 trillion or so sheltered abroad by American companies repatriated to the US would be hugely beneficial. That is their own money, they earned it, and it is stuck abroad so that it is not sacrificed to the spendthrift federal government and wasted on foolish policies. No other American politician has suggested an acceptable way to induce them to bring it in. That is just one way he is smarter –– street smarter –– than the others.


CORRECTION: I was wrong. It is $2.1 trillion, not $1.2 trillion, in foreign profits that US companies are holding abroad to avoid US taxes. See http://tinyurl.com/oo23c35

Having been personally involved in such activities, I feel for the companies who are painted into a corner in not being able to repatriate those earnings, though of course it seems sensible to keep the funds abroad and use them to build international activities.

As just one example from my distant past, as I'm sure they won't mind, at Gillette we built spectacular foreign businesses by using those funds. Now it seems that they may have done enough. Certainly the state-of-the-art blade plant we built in Iran in the '70s which was nationalized by the Ayatollah didn't work out so well.

I still credit Trump and his advisors with offering the most creative plans and the ones that serve the country's interests the best.

We need to appeal to enough voters to get cross-overs and I think that Trump can best get more to come around, as much as I like several of the others. People do like a winner and a guy with cojones.

Posted By: Bristoe Re: Most Principled Candidate - 10/06/15
Originally Posted by BOWSINGER
Originally Posted by Bristoe
If Trump was an Israel firster, the media would be holding parades for him.


Media ain't holding any parades for Cruz.


He showed his hand. He needed to be more clandestine in what he wanted to do.



Posted By: pal Re: Most Principled Candidate - 10/06/15
Originally Posted by Calhoun
...Only downside I know of to Cruz is his polling...


... and the fact that he promises stuff he can't actually do. Like a long list of things he claims will be done on his first day in office.

A chicken in every pot.
Posted By: Anjin Re: Most Principled Candidate - 10/06/15
Originally Posted by BOWSINGER
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by ltppowell
Anybody got an argument that's not a blatant attempt to pimp their own candidate?


Cruz is an Israel firster.

That's something that's starting to cost candidates support.

The GOP is going to have to get away from it.

A lot of Americans are getting tired of fighting Israel's wars.




Trump is an Israel firster.

Takes family vacations in Israel every year to visit his relation and check up on his business interests.



I don't know about family members, though I doubt that.

As for business interests, let's think a bit about where you might put investments, or even license your brand, in the Mideast. Where is the most reasonable risk?
Who are most likely to honor their commitments? Where can you repatriate dollars?

I trust The Donald to look to his own best financial interests. Also, keep in mind that most of the real estate tycoons in NYC with whom he does business every day are Jewish. He has business relationships with most of them. It is understandable that he has to get along.

And BTW, these are substantive comments, not just pitching his candidacy. grin
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by ltppowell
Anybody got an argument that's not a blatant attempt to pimp their own candidate?


Cruz is an Israel firster.

That's something that's starting to cost candidates support.

The GOP is going to have to get away from it.

A lot of Americans are getting tired of fighting Israel's wars.


You have a guy in office who hates Israel. Did you vote for him either time?
Posted By: Bristoe Re: Most Principled Candidate - 10/06/15
I'm an American. My interest is America.

I vote for the interests of America whenever there's a candidate who demonstrates it.

There's been damn few of them lately.

Cruz sure doesn't seem to fit the bill.
Posted By: Bristoe Re: Most Principled Candidate - 10/06/15
Cruz has as much as said that Israel's interests and America's interests are one and the same.

I don't believe that.

But more importantly, I don't think that Cruz believes it either.

But he says it.
Originally Posted by pal
Originally Posted by Calhoun
...Only downside I know of to Cruz is his polling...


... and the fact that he promises stuff he can't actually do. Like a long list of things he claims will be done on his first day in office.

A chicken in every pot.


Wrong. The only thing Cruz promises to do the first day is UNDO Obama's executive orders...which he can.
Posted By: pal Re: Most Principled Candidate - 10/06/15
If that is true I'll concede that I misunderstood his long list of promises.
Posted By: Calhoun Re: Most Principled Candidate - 10/06/15
Originally Posted by ltppowell
Originally Posted by pal
Originally Posted by Calhoun
...Only downside I know of to Cruz is his polling...

... and the fact that he promises stuff he can't actually do. Like a long list of things he claims will be done on his first day in office.

A chicken in every pot.

Wrong. The only thing Cruz promises to do the first day is UNDO Obama's executive orders...which he can.

Yep, he didn't promise anything that he can't do. Well... #2 he can start, but it's up to the DOJ and courts to finish.
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1. Roll back President Obama’s executive actions

The first thing I will do is rescind every illegal and unconstitutional executive action by this president. He says he’s got ‘a phone and a pen.’ Well, if you live by the pen, you die by the pen. I’ve got a pen, too. And mine has an eraser!

2. Take down Planned Parenthood

I will instruct the Department of Justice to open an investigation into Planned Parenthood and these videos and to prosecute any and all criminal violations by that organization.

3. Defend religious liberty

I will inform the Department of Justice and the IRS and every other federal agency that the persecution of religious liberty ends today. That means every serviceman and woman can worship God almighty with all their heart, mind and soul and their commanding officer has nothing to say about it.

4. “Shred” the Iran nuclear deal

I will rip to shreds the catastrophic Iranian nuclear deal. The greatest national security threat we face is the threat of a nuclear Iran… President Obama took a break from playing golf to say he didn’t appreciate my rhetoric when I said this deal would make the Obama Administration the world’s leading financier of radical Islamic terrorism… The truth is not rhetoric. If he doesn’t like the rhetoric, there’s any easy solution: stop financing radical Islamic terrorism.

5. Move the U.S. embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem

I will begin the process of moving the American embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, the once and eternal capital of Israel.

I think pal was thinking of Trump, who's going to secure the border in 1 day. And he's going to do it with Mexico's money, so it'll be at least a 2 or 3 hour workday for him.
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Trump: “The first thing I’d do in my first day as president is close up our borders so that illegal immigrants cannot come into our country. We have tremendous fiscal problems. We owe $19 trillion… People can come into our country but only legally.”
Originally Posted by Anjin
Originally Posted by BOWSINGER
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by ltppowell
Anybody got an argument that's not a blatant attempt to pimp their own candidate?


Cruz is an Israel firster.

That's something that's starting to cost candidates support.

The GOP is going to have to get away from it.

A lot of Americans are getting tired of fighting Israel's wars.




Trump is an Israel firster.

Takes family vacations in Israel every year to visit his relation and check up on his business interests.



I don't know about family members, though I doubt that.


As for business interests, let's think a bit about where you might put investments, or even license your brand, in the Mideast. Where is the most reasonable risk?
Who are most likely to honor their commitments? Where can you repatriate dollars?

I trust The Donald to look to his own best financial interests. Also, keep in mind that most of the real estate tycoons in NYC with whom he does business every day are Jewish. He has business relationships with most of them. It is understandable that he has to get along.

And BTW, these are substantive comments, not just pitching his candidacy. grin


It is a easy look-up.
The history of Israel and the Trump Family go way back.
"I've been loyal to Israel from the day I was born," said Trump. "My father, Fred Trump was loyal to Israel before me. The only one that's going to give Israel the kind of support it needs is Donald Trump."

The Jewish Press 6/16/15: Being a maverick gives him the image of sticking by his word. When he says he loves Israel, he puts his money where his mouth is. Trump has a huge real estate project in Netanya, and his daughter Ivanka, who converted to Judaism, looks favorably on Israel for real estate investment.
Her husband is from an Orthodox Jewish family, and she has taken her conversion seriously, adding “Yael” to her name and saying that “we’re pretty observant, more than some, less than others.”

If “the Donald” is elected president, the United States will have its first Jewish daughter in the White House.
Her father hates President Obama with a passion and has said that he is Israel’s greatest enemy. Trump also is a fan of Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu.
[...]
(JTA) —Trump’s closest Jewish association is with his daughter Ivanka’s family. Ivanka Trump, a fashion designer and celebrity in her own right, converted to Judaism before marrying Jared Kushner, the son of New York Jewish real estate mogul Charles Kushner.

She studied for her Orthodox conversion with Rabbi Haskel Lookstein of Manhattan’s Kehilath Jeshurun synagogue and the Ramaz School, and Lookstein officiated at her wedding. Trump and Kushner are members of Lookstein’s Orthodox synagogue and are Shabbat observant. They have two children.
Bumped because i want to hear more about Cruz is an Israel firster, but Trump is not...
Posted By: Bristoe Re: Most Principled Candidate - 10/07/15
You need to stick to talking about parking lots. That's about your speed.
Originally Posted by BOWSINGER
Bumped because i want to hear more about Cruz is an Israel firster, but Trump is not...
Cruz is easily the best candidate who cares the most about keeping America fiscally and militarily strong!

Cruz/Carson 2016
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