Printed on a T-shirt worn by some character in some TV show, as I flitted through the channels last night looking for something worth watching.
The commies in Hollyweird never miss an opportunity to indoctrinate.
Capitalism is too broad a concept to classify as good or evil. There are forms that are evil and forms that are good. Free market capitalism is what America is supposed to stand for. It means that the economy isn't centrally planned by "experts," but is rather allowed to self regulate by something akin to natural forces rooted in human nature. Crony capitalism, however, involves a lot of tinkering by government and banking "experts" (technocrats), and is in reality what we now have in the US. This power to tinker invariably leads to corruption by means of the super wealthy class gaining control of the tinkering process to their own advantage, leading to a concentration of wealth in few hands and a shrinking middle class. Sound familiar?
I don't think the concept of "shrinking middle class" holds much water.
The American populace is the wealthiest the world has ever known. And that includes those living under the .Gov defined poverty line.
My Grandparents worked 16 hour days, six days a week scratching a living out of the dirt on eighty acres to keep their family of eight fed, clothed and warm. The entire family in a two bedroom cinder block home built by their own hands.
They had running water and an inside toilet, and so were considered upper middle class in these parts.
Today a person earns less than what the gov't calls poverty. But they have never cut a stick of firewood in their life, have never shoveled taters out of the dirt for their kids dinner.
They work 25 to 40 hours a week, get a nine thousand dollar tax refund check, gov't assistance with heat bills, groceries, and rent.
They spend 100 hours a week in front of the TV, gaming system, or computer. They carry a six hundred dollar smart phone around and pay $150-$300/month phone bill. And if they have ever missed a meal in their life.......it is only because their drug/alcohol habit took precedence over eating.
And they call them self poor. And WORSE, Obama calls them poor.
When the inevitable collapse of our artificially inflated economic system does occur. A BUNCH of folks are going to find out just exactly what the definition of poor is.
those are some pertinent and poignant thoughts Idaho
well said
those are some pertinent and poignant thoughts Idaho
well said
Yep. My maternal Grandmother on the right happily working her azz off in a cannery circa 1950.
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Yep
Just today, again, had a fat couple ahead of me using food debit card to buy stuff ( chips, cola, pastries, some kind of food schit. ) then went and bought 50 dollars of lotto tickets
Their two kids were fat and both had smart phones
Poor starving merikans
I don't think the concept of "shrinking middle class" holds much water.
The American populace is the wealthiest the world has ever known. And that includes those living under the .Gov defined poverty line.
My Grandparents worked 16 hour days, six days a week scratching a living out of the dirt on eighty acres to keep their family of eight fed, clothed and warm. The entire family in a two bedroom cinder block home built by their own hands.
They had running water and an inside toilet, and so were considered upper middle class in these parts.
Today a person earns less than what the gov't calls poverty. But they have never cut a stick of firewood in their life, have never shoveled taters out of the dirt for their kids dinner.
They work 25 to 40 hours a week, get a nine thousand dollar tax refund check, gov't assistance with heat bills, groceries, and rent.
They spend 100 hours a week in front of the TV, gaming system, or computer. They carry a six hundred dollar smart phone around and pay $150-$300/month phone bill. And if they have ever missed a meal in their life.......it is only because their drug/alcohol habit took precedence over eating.
And they call them self poor. And WORSE, Obama calls them poor.
When the inevitable collapse of our artificially inflated economic system does occur. A BUNCH of folks are going to find out just exactly what the definition of poor is.
those are some pertinent and poignant thoughts Idaho
And complete bullshyt too. I know because I've lived goddam poor in my life and not so long ago. So do a bunch of people I know presently. They do things like not eat lunch all week at work because they can't afford to, despite the fact they work full time. Heat their home all winter with an electric space heater because they can't afford to have fuel oil delivered. Run bald tires on their rusted out old junkers because they can't afford new ones. And they don't get any goddam big tax returns if they don't have any kids. The list goes on but you get the drift.
In true capitalism should a group of business owners be allowed to control entry into an industry?
Eisenhower came back from Germany after WWII and was very impressed with the Autobahn.When he became president he devoted alot of time and effort to build our interstate highway system.
Ever notice that no other country has a interstate highway system like we do.
Ever wonder why?
No nation has ever built a highway system like we have, because they never had the resources to build one.
You have to go back to Ancient Rome to find a nation devoting those kind of resources to a road system.
The resources Eisenhower used to build the interstate highway system came from taxes paid by middle class, middle income manufacturing jobs in there thousands.
Manufacturing, make a product there is a demand for, and sell it at a profit.
Capitalism.Grow it,Mine it or make it...
The USA once a powerhouse of manufacturing, is now a shell of what it once was.
Outsourcing and free trade are how you take a nation that was capable of building a interstate highway system 50 years ago.
To a nation that wants a 15 dollar minimum wage and thinks they can live on it.
dave
My t-shirt says:
Making a profit builds the economy.
;-{>8
The good Samaritan could do what he did because he had money. ;-{>8
My t-shirt says:
Making a profit builds the economy.
;-{>8
You ain't got a [bleep] t-shirt.
those are some pertinent and poignant thoughts Idaho
And complete bullshyt too. I know because I've lived goddam poor in my life and not so long ago. So do a bunch of people I know presently. They do things like not eat lunch all week at work because they can't afford to, despite the fact they work full time. Heat their home all winter with an electric space heater because they can't afford to have fuel oil delivered. Run bald tires on their rusted out old junkers because they can't afford new ones. And they don't get any goddam big tax returns if they don't have any kids. The list goes on but you get the drift.
So, they have shelter, heat, electricity, clean drinking water, a car, a full time job, access to medical care, and the premise that the American poor are the wealthiest in the world is complete bullshyte?
Interesting...
Now, before you try and tell me that I don't have a clue, you should know that I lived in the bed of a rusted out pick up with my brother for a while growing up.
I've lived out of one of those rusted out cars with a flat and dead battery that I couldn't afford to replace. I'm intimately familiar with all sorts of levels of deprevation.
Without the generosity of others I wouldn't be here today. The premise is completely true.
I didn't say anything about clean water or medical care. Some go without that too. I know because I have. How long in the back of a pickup ? I lived in a pickup camper {no pickup} from April to December one year. No electricity, no running water. Shyt in the woods like a bear. Bathed in the creek like a duck. Cooked over an open fire everyday while I saved up so I could afford to rent an apartment for winter. Meanwhile I was working full time. It weren't no goddam picnic.
Somebody is confused, the T-Shirt should have said
Government is Organized Crime[color:#009900][/color]
It don't count when it's in your parents back yard.
It wasn't.
Dad was unemployed for 13 months. No house or property.
I don't think the concept of "shrinking middle class" holds much water.
The American populace is the wealthiest the world has ever known. And that includes those living under the .Gov defined poverty line.
My Grandparents worked 16 hour days, six days a week scratching a living out of the dirt on eighty acres to keep their family of eight fed, clothed and warm. The entire family in a two bedroom cinder block home built by their own hands.
They had running water and an inside toilet, and so were considered upper middle class in these parts.
Today a person earns less than what the gov't calls poverty. But they have never cut a stick of firewood in their life, have never shoveled taters out of the dirt for their kids dinner.
They work 25 to 40 hours a week, get a nine thousand dollar tax refund check, gov't assistance with heat bills, groceries, and rent.
They spend 100 hours a week in front of the TV, gaming system, or computer. They carry a six hundred dollar smart phone around and pay $150-$300/month phone bill. And if they have ever missed a meal in their life.......it is only because their drug/alcohol habit took precedence over eating.
And they call them self poor. And WORSE, Obama calls them poor.
When the inevitable collapse of our artificially inflated economic system does occur. A BUNCH of folks are going to find out just exactly what the definition of poor is.
I think you nailed it. Well said my friend.
Generosity of others helped immensely. The last 2 months were in the front yard of a family at this time of year. They allowed us to use their facilities.
I've been all over this planet. I've seen real depravity. American poor are far far from that...
We are blessed to be American
I didn't say anything about clean water or medical care. Some go without that too. I know because I have. How long in the back of a pickup ? I lived in a pickup camper {no pickup} from April to December one year. No electricity, no running water. Shyt in the woods like a bear. Bathed in the creek like a duck. Cooked over an open fire everyday while I saved up so I could afford to rent an apartment for winter. Meanwhile I was working full time. It weren't no goddam picnic.
Maybe it's time to get an education and improve your lot in life?
Maybe it's time to get an education and improve your lot in life?
Worked for me!
Ain't no way to live in "the richest country in the world". Might be OK in a third world Country. Welfare folks are better off than many working folks and yet there are so many dumfuggs who wonder why so many are on welfare.
Living off of the forced backs of others ain't no way to live life in the richest country in the world either.
Welfare is popular because it's easier than climbing out.
It's dependency by design.
My t-shirt says:
Making a profit builds the economy.
;-{>8
You ain't got a [bleep] t-shirt.
What I got Chazbo, is the truth. Crack a smile outta that socialist stone-face of yourn.
Maybe it's time to get an education and improve your lot in life?
Worked for me!
Same here. Poor family with a drunken abusive father. My older brother is a self-made businessman. My younger brother is a nurse practitioner. And I did 26 years in the Air Force, retiring as a CMSgt ( highest enlisted grade) with a Masters Degree. If you WANT to succeed in America, there are many ways to do so. If you want to wallow, there is a lot of slop and plenty to share it with.
I didn't say anything about clean water or medical care. Some go without that too. I know because I have. How long in the back of a pickup ? I lived in a pickup camper {no pickup} from April to December one year. No electricity, no running water. Shyt in the woods like a bear. Bathed in the creek like a duck. Cooked over an open fire everyday while I saved up so I could afford to rent an apartment for winter. Meanwhile I was working full time. It weren't no goddam picnic.
I'm happy that you didn't break your parole so you could go back to 3 hots and a
cock cot.
Good for you staying the course!
Hurt my back loading hvacs onto delivery trucks in Syracuse, lost my job, evicted from my apartment, lived out of my rusted Buick skylark for 8 months. Would shower at the YMCA.
Got a job working 3rd shift at a gas station. Fellow employee there got wind of my circumstance and as broke as she was, she put me up in a hotel room for 30 days. I landed another job at the hotel and eventually got an apartment. Feet back under me, I joined the military.
Medically retired from there after 6 years and did contract work. Got laid off for 8 months. Men of the campfire rallied around and made sure my family didn't end up in the street. I got training on networking, developed a skill, got hired by IBM to do network security.
Still picking up the pieces of a slow, rough start to adulthood. But, I'm a long ways from picking soda and beer bottles out of the gutters to turn in at a nickle each so that I could buy a bit of food.
The generosity of others did me far more than having the Government steal the fruits of their labor and give it to me.
I can look in the mirror and know that it was the free will generosity of others that helped pick me up. I didn't need the Government to steal it from them by force.
All possible because I live in the greatest nation on Earth. The most opportunity to climb out of the hole is right here for anyone that is willing to work for it.
So you took plenty of charity and handouts. Not everybody will do that and instead suffer greatly. Doesn't sound like you did any great things as far as bettering yourself either but everybody on here likes to toot their own horn to high heaven for doing nothing special. Oh, and don't be completely stupid, If welfare was completely shut down tomorrow the gov't would continue to steal just as much of your money as they do now. They'd just waste it on something else instead.
He's smart enough to not live in that sheit hole called NY.
So you took plenty of charity and handouts. Not everybody will do that and instead suffer greatly. Doesn't sound like you did any great things as far as bettering yourself either but everybody on here likes to toot their own horn to high heaven for doing nothing special. Oh, and don't be completely stupid, If welfare was completely shut down tomorrow the gov't would continue to steal just as much of your money as they do now. They'd just waste it on something else instead.
and whats wrong with charity
and why not if it is freely given , inspired at times by the hand of God.At least every time he got knocked down he got back up and kept on trying and is probably paying it forward.God told us to help the unfortunate, I am in a bible study group that comes alongside each of the group when needed , encourages ,and supports, and we do it for others as well. our church has a program every fall that gives free car inspection to needy widows ,singles ,families WW fluid ww wipers top up brake and p steering fluids, check and inflate tires to specs and advise if needing replacement, did 85 cars 2 weeks ago ,and some auto supply + repair shops chipped in with oil anti freeze wipers ect.church also has FID ,program faith in deed donated 75000'oo into the community in different ways to help those in need, food ,tires . rent money living expences,ect ect, those that are to PROUD to accept help sometimes wallow in a rut insteas of accepting it then passing it on.
on the bald tire issue BTDT but i would go to the local repair shop this time of year and beg a set of castoffs somebody was leaving when they bought new ones, and collecting bottles and dumpster diving has provided many things ..
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL
norm
Capitalism is organized crime? Then what is communism,fascism,socialism?
When it comes to creating and sustaining a prosperous society,history proves nothing else come close to capitalism,even if it isn't "perfect".
Whoever said that government is organized crime had it right. Mostly institutionalized corruption.It produces nothing and leaches off the production of capitalism.
You can always tell a liberal. You just can't tell them much...
Why is it that liberals always have great faith in doing more of what has already failed?
Collectivism ( communism, socialism, progressivism, liberalism, populism, democrats etc.) is organized armed robbery.
Somebody is confused, the T-Shirt should have said
Government is Organized Crime[color:#009900][/color]
That makes better sense. Even better would be The State Is Organized Crime, because that includes the banking establishment with whom the government is in bed.
Why is it that liberals always have great faith in doing more of what has already failed?
Because they think they are smarter the everyone, so they think THEY would not fail where their ilk have failed before.
I don't think the concept of "shrinking middle class" holds much water.
The American populace is the wealthiest the world has ever known. And that includes those living under the .Gov defined poverty line.
My Grandparents worked 16 hour days, six days a week scratching a living out of the dirt on eighty acres to keep their family of eight fed, clothed and warm. The entire family in a two bedroom cinder block home built by their own hands.
They had running water and an inside toilet, and so were considered upper middle class in these parts.
Today a person earns less than what the gov't calls poverty. But they have never cut a stick of firewood in their life, have never shoveled taters out of the dirt for their kids dinner.
They work 25 to 40 hours a week, get a nine thousand dollar tax refund check, gov't assistance with heat bills, groceries, and rent.
They spend 100 hours a week in front of the TV, gaming system, or computer. They carry a six hundred dollar smart phone around and pay $150-$300/month phone bill. And if they have ever missed a meal in their life.......it is only because their drug/alcohol habit took precedence over eating.
And they call them self poor. And WORSE, Obama calls them poor.
When the inevitable collapse of our artificially inflated economic system does occur. A BUNCH of folks are going to find out just exactly what the definition of poor is.
I'd love to post this on Facebook, but it would be plagiarism. I've got some relatives I'd love to have read this.
I don't think the concept of "shrinking middle class" holds much water.
The American populace is the wealthiest the world has ever known. And that includes those living under the .Gov defined poverty line.
My Grandparents worked 16 hour days, six days a week scratching a living out of the dirt on eighty acres to keep their family of eight fed, clothed and warm. The entire family in a two bedroom cinder block home built by their own hands.
They had running water and an inside toilet, and so were considered upper middle class in these parts.
Today a person earns less than what the gov't calls poverty. But they have never cut a stick of firewood in their life, have never shoveled taters out of the dirt for their kids dinner.
They work 25 to 40 hours a week, get a nine thousand dollar tax refund check, gov't assistance with heat bills, groceries, and rent.
They spend 100 hours a week in front of the TV, gaming system, or computer. They carry a six hundred dollar smart phone around and pay $150-$300/month phone bill. And if they have ever missed a meal in their life.......it is only because their drug/alcohol habit took precedence over eating.
And they call them self poor. And WORSE, Obama calls them poor.
When the inevitable collapse of our artificially inflated economic system does occur. A BUNCH of folks are going to find out just exactly what the definition of poor is.
I'd love to post this on Facebook, but it would be plagiarism. I've got some relatives I'd love to have read this.
It's not Plagiarism if you give proper credit and do not claim it as your own.
So you took plenty of charity and handouts. Not everybody will do that and instead suffer greatly. Doesn't sound like you did any great things as far as bettering yourself either but everybody on here likes to toot their own horn to high heaven for doing nothing special. Oh, and don't be completely stupid, If welfare was completely shut down tomorrow the gov't would continue to steal just as much of your money as they do now. They'd just waste it on something else instead.
Now now, don't be bitter and jealous. You could do it too!
If going from nothing to upper middle class with skills and an education, the means to provide for my family isn't bettering myself then clearly we have very different definitions of betterment.
I owe it to those who invested in me and my future out of their own generosity to continue to improve. If you don't think I'm humbled by their compassion and moved to pay it forward you're sorely mistaken.
No shame in charity when it's needed. The shame is dwelling in welfare. People there feel entitled to it. The Nation owes me my government cheese! Those that receive charity know the people that have invested in them. They are their faces and cross paths regularly. There is a higher sense of accountability with that. Hard to hold your head high and look them in the face of you aren't honoring them by bettering yourself.
I don't claim to have done anything spectacular. I was up front and honest with the fact that I'm where I am now much due to the fact others have given of themselves to help me.
Try to find the expression of embarrassment, humility, and sheer gratitude on the face of a welfare recipient when they cash that government check. Compare that to the face of a charity recipient.
Hell, the only reason I came back here this week was to update some of those that helped me right here. I owe it to them to show that their investment wasn't wasted.
Not bettered you say...
Some people just want to remain bitter and full of excuses for their lot....
Good for you. Everything I have and everything I've learned I got myself with no handouts or help from anyone. I don't have a need to account for any "investments" to anyone for anything. I wouldn't want it any other way.
Indeed something to be proud of!
So why are you here advocating welfare so much? Surely if you could do it, others can too. You didn't need the Government. I didn't need the Government. Why does every other Tom, Dick, and Harry need it so bad?
I'm not advocating welfare at all. Just saying I can certainly understand why some folks choose to go on it when working for a living often pays considerably less and provides a much less extravagant lifestyle. Look, things have changed a bunch here since I got out of school. My very first job {factory} after graduating HS in 1979 paid me 134.00 per wk. take home. My rent at the time was 125.00 per month. I had no problem paying rent, utilities, food, etc.. on that and keeping a dependable vehicle on the road. Fast forward 36 years and you won't find an entry level job anywhere around here that pays anywhere near enough to live off. Rent for a 2 bedroom apartment now runs 6-700.00 per month and entry level factory jobs {if you can find one and that's a big IF} are paying 4-500.00 per week GROSS. No way in hell anybody's gonna LIVE on that without gov't help or just going without a bunch of things they need. Like lunch, new tires, a good vehicle, heating oil, health care etc etc.. Things have gone down the shytter economically and it needs to change or more and more people are going to just give up and go on welfare..
lotsa guys on here been plenty poor
me included.
gettin started in the real world was not as easy as it looked from behind a school desk.
but real poverty is in the 6 inch space between your ears
as others have opined, if you can't make a life in this country the greatest place of opportunity as witnessed by so many trying to get in here.
the only system at fault is the one inside your head that tells you "I can't"
can't never could do nothin
HAJ
your story makes me so proud of you and the guys on this fire that helped you.
so very decent of you to give them the props they deserve and your attitude about it.
Generosity of others helped immensely. The last 2 months were in the front yard of a family at this time of year. They allowed us to use their facilities.
I've been all over this planet. I've seen real depravity. American poor are far far from that...
We are blessed to be American
Depravity is everywhere. Deprivation also. Just saying.
I don't think the concept of "shrinking middle class" holds much water.
The American populace is the wealthiest the world has ever known. And that includes those living under the .Gov defined poverty line.
My Grandparents worked 16 hour days, six days a week scratching a living out of the dirt on eighty acres to keep their family of eight fed, clothed and warm. The entire family in a two bedroom cinder block home built by their own hands.
They had running water and an inside toilet, and so were considered upper middle class in these parts.
Today a person earns less than what the gov't calls poverty. But they have never cut a stick of firewood in their life, have never shoveled taters out of the dirt for their kids dinner.
They work 25 to 40 hours a week, get a nine thousand dollar tax refund check, gov't assistance with heat bills, groceries, and rent.
They spend 100 hours a week in front of the TV, gaming system, or computer. They carry a six hundred dollar smart phone around and pay $150-$300/month phone bill. And if they have ever missed a meal in their life.......it is only because their drug/alcohol habit took precedence over eating.
And they call them self poor. And WORSE, Obama calls them poor.
When the inevitable collapse of our artificially inflated economic system does occur. A BUNCH of folks are going to find out just exactly what the definition of poor is.
I'd love to post this on Facebook, but it would be plagiarism. I've got some relatives I'd love to have read this.
Dan, By all means.
Copy and paste at will!
Why is it that liberals always have great faith in doing more of what has already failed?
Because they think they are smarter the everyone, so they think THEY would not fail where their ilk have failed before.
Yup, arrogant and delusional.
I'm not advocating welfare at all. Just saying I can certainly understand why some folks choose to go on it when working for a living often pays considerably less and provides a much less extravagant lifestyle. Look, things have changed a bunch here since I got out of school. My very first job {factory} after graduating HS in 1979 paid me 134.00 per wk. take home. My rent at the time was 125.00 per month. I had no problem paying rent, utilities, food, etc.. on that and keeping a dependable vehicle on the road. Fast forward 36 years and you won't find an entry level job anywhere around here that pays anywhere near enough to live off. Rent for a 2 bedroom apartment now runs 6-700.00 per month and entry level factory jobs {if you can find one and that's a big IF} are paying 4-500.00 per week GROSS. No way in hell anybody's gonna LIVE on that without gov't help or just going without a bunch of things they need. Like lunch, new tires, a good vehicle, heating oil, health care etc etc.. Things have gone down the shytter economically and it needs to change or more and more people are going to just give up and go on welfare..
You do realize that capitalism is supposed to work exactly that way. That is, NYS has priced itself out of its own market and can no longer compete as a legitimate entity, so it is suffering the pains of bankruptcy. It is a slow slide into irrelevancy. Your theoretical young-guy-trying-to-get-started could simply move to a productive, booming state and make $100k in his first year with no higher education, so long as he has a driver's license, can pass random drug tests, and shows up on time everyday.
Leave NYS and live a little!
Good for you. Everything I have and everything I've learned I got myself with no handouts or help from anyone. I don't have a need to account for any "investments" to anyone for anything. I wouldn't want it any other way.
Looks like you're a stupid [bleep], if you have to live in a van down by the river.
First and foremost I am against "blacklists," such as what happened in Hollywood during the late 1940s and through the 1950s. I believe that in this country a person can believe whatever he or she wants and not be punished for it.
On the other hand, I believe a company, such as a studio in the case of the Hollywood blacklists, has the right to employ or not employ whomever it wishes, for whatever reason. It is the studio's money to spend as it wishes. I do not agree with what the studios did, but they had the right to do so.
What I have always found, however, to be the height of hypocrisy is the fact that the screenwriters, etc. in Hollywood who were members of the Communist Party USA, or the Communist Party International, or were "sympathizers, who always screamed "First Amendment Freedom of Speech & Freedom Of the Press!!" yet believed in the destruction of the Constitution and the replacement of our Constitutional Republic with a communist form of repressive government.
They were so ignorant and naïve of what communism entailed they couldn't imagine that under communism, they would have been the first to have been stood up against the wall and shot ... or they would have survived
only if they wrote precisely what they were ordered to write. Freedom of Speech/Press doesn't exist under communism.
Another great hypocrisy of the communist screenwriters, et al, was the fact they loved the money, perks, privileges and glamour of Capitalism in Hollywood, but despised the Capitalist system that brought them these "comforts."
To this day, that attitude exists among many of Hollywood's elites and wannabee elites, except today, they self righteously call themselves "progressives" and the ideology "progressivism."
As usual, hypocrites one and all.
L.W.
in other words L.W. , Democrats!
Good for you. Everything I have and everything I've learned I got myself with no handouts or help from anyone. I don't have a need to account for any "investments" to anyone for anything. I wouldn't want it any other way.
Looks like you're a stupid [bleep], if you have to live in a van down by the river.
If you gathered that I live in a van by the river from any of that you're the dumbphuck. But then we both already knew that.
Just going on what you've already stated. Don't be hard on yourself, you were obviously taught by an idiot.
It's a shame your mother didn't have any kids that lived. But then whores are likely to have diseases that complicate childbirth.
Sorry I didn't get back sooner, I was counting my emergency $100 dollar bills in my wallet.
I'm not advocating welfare at all. Just saying I can certainly understand why some folks choose to go on it when working for a living often pays considerably less and provides a much less extravagant lifestyle. Look, things have changed a bunch here since I got out of school. My very first job {factory} after graduating HS in 1979 paid me 134.00 per wk. take home. My rent at the time was 125.00 per month. I had no problem paying rent, utilities, food, etc.. on that and keeping a dependable vehicle on the road. Fast forward 36 years and you won't find an entry level job anywhere around here that pays anywhere near enough to live off. Rent for a 2 bedroom apartment now runs 6-700.00 per month and entry level factory jobs {if you can find one and that's a big IF} are paying 4-500.00 per week GROSS. No way in hell anybody's gonna LIVE on that without gov't help or just going without a bunch of things they need. Like lunch, new tires, a good vehicle, heating oil, health care etc etc.. Things have gone down the shytter economically and it needs to change or more and more people are going to just give up and go on welfare..
If you can't afford a place on your own, get a roommate.
While they are at it, get an education. Our current economy is bifurcated. For those with an college education we are near full employment, however for those with out, it's a much tougher market.
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