Obama created ISIS. Can't blame Bush for them.

Chit, and all this time i thought your master created I stepped in s h it by pulling the troops out and created a vaccum. 😱

Bush's "legacy" is right here at home in the guise of: The Patriot Act, Homeland Security etc. And I am a conservative Republican, lest you think otherwise.

History may show it was a mistake to invade Iraq.
However history will show the bigger mistakes have/will be made by zero.
ISIS, Arab spring, his mishandling of Iraq, the mess that is the present ME and it's continual downward spiral.

yep
without question

...and the point is?

He's a fuc k ing moron. Personal vendetta accomplished by going back into Iraq and finishing what his daddy couldn't and oil prices rose to way beyond normal. Did I mention he's a worthless piece of chit?

GWB's presidential legacy is Obama.

GWB paved the way for whoever won the Democratic nomination to attain the presidency. McCain sealed the deal, but probably wouldn't have mattered who it was.

No one talks about Jimmah toppling the Shah of Iran. How has that worked out?

Saddam was bad enough, but are things in Iraq better now?

Those Jihadist cultures seem to be most stable, crazies contained, when they have a strong man in charge. We work hard to bring them "democracy" and we are rewarded with the Arab Spring. Wasn't for the Egyptian military, that country would be another Iran.

The more we meddle, arming "moderates", the more ISIS types we'll see on TV parading around in our fine military vehicles, black flags flying.

Look at the mess in Syria. By half heartedly trying to topple Assad, we opened the door for Putin to become a major player.

Turkey was let into NATO, now they're hooking horns with Russia. Does that draw NATO into the Syrian civil war, a proxy war that could spread into a regional conflict, or worse?

This leading from behind stuff is gonna get our behinds kicked if things don't change.

DF

All those who want to chit on W consider this:

Where would the World be if the hanging chads fell Gore's way? Odds are Al Queda would be so strong that Europe and the US would have been in flames ten years ago. Don't think the Muslims haven't had this mass emigration planned and funded for a long time. Obama's Arab Spring fiasco just gave the mass confusion to accelerate it.

richer for sure

ISIS is on Obongo's watch.

W will go down as a typical establishment republican president.

His greatest fault was not answering back to the drive by's with his bully pulpit, as does (and will) Trump

Why don't we hear your hero blowing about Arab Spring anymore? Could be a fricken' clue there.

GWB is out of office, the mess we find ourselves in right now is squarely on the shoulder of the idiot that we have in the White House.

He pulled troops from Iraq and he never should have done it. They provided a semblance of stability and that's not a bad thing to have in the Middle East. People say we shouldn't meddle in their business but the fact of the matter is they want us dead regardless of what we are or aren't doing over there. It's an ideal and they have waged jihad on us for our beliefs.

What's incredible to me is that Zero wants to do the exact same thing to Assad that GWB did with Hussein and in a much more critical time in the crisis and to pour fuel onto the fire he wants to import more of these sub human pieces of excrement to the USA under the guise of "refugees"

I'll say this for GW, he knew that nothing good came from pussy footing around over there. You don't half ass anything or you just end up in the mess we're in. If you hit them you hit them hard and you don't stop

Until we get somebody with a nut sack in the White House we're all screwed

Al Qaeda et all were defeated before Bush left office. All Tyrant Obama the Liar had to do was maintain the peace. That required leaving 10-20 thousand men stationed in Iraq to back up the Iraqis. Tyrant Obama the Liar refused to do this. He only wanted to leave a token force in Iraq and the Iraqis decided that their was no point in signing a SOF agreement for so few troops. Then Tyrant Obama the Liar did what he is best at he lied and blamed his failure on the Iraqis. As a result Tyrant Obama the Liar lost the peace and now you progressive fascists are lying again and blaming Obama's failure on GWB.

Nothing that any other president had done is worse than Tyrant Obama the Liar's betrayal of our country by helping Iran get nuclear weapons and giving them $150 billion to wage war against Israel and the rest of the Middle East.

I think it all ties together, starting Waaay back, before partitioning the area into the modern "States" defined by ill considered borders.

Mostly, as far as GWB goes, his legacy to me, and I'll remember it until I get dementia, is the way he looked in a certain classroom on a certain day on a certain September morning. Not a very Presidential look, and worse yet, not very Presidential action.

I'm glad I don't get to sit around at my job when the stuff starts getting strange. I work with living critters, non-human, and thing die if I don't act when things go whacko.

Geno

Only an idiot or a progressive fascist would think that it made one iota of difference if Bush spend 10 minutes reading to the children.

Thank you sir,

Geno

Maybe Ron Paul was on to something?

Now that we are in the deep end of a pool full of sh1t where do we go from here?

Ron Paul was a candidate that would put Americans and their issues first, therefore, he could not be allowed to win.

Well no sh1t Slavek..

Now that we agree on that where do we go from here?

Ron Paul is a moron

Anybody care to guess what does "BFD" stand for? (hint: it would also fit SACharlie to a tee."

THIS, is great!

We can go back and dump on all the D presidents too if we want to... LORD knows that Carter and Clinton were both 10 times bigger POS than a Bush ever was.

Not to mention that Bush's were geniunely nice folks and respected the military, and the US....

But a liberal like SA has his liberal problems and still has his blinders on. Shame that it is.

the balfor declaration in 1918 was the start of it, when the british, think churchhill, along with other western powers agreed to draw lines in the sand to define state after the ottoman empire fell in WWI.
The british had major troop present in what's called iraq for years. Those lines in the sand didn't account for ethnic/religious differences.
Judeo/Christianity had a thousand years to develop the basis for democracy, or what's called that, in the west. There is no history of it there.
Bush made a major mistake in trying to bring democracy in the middle east and nation building. The marshall plan which worked in europe wasn't going to work there.
This compounded by the obongo pulling the troops out. But i think obongo owns it, he has had power for how long now? Very weak and ineffective president.
What happened to his "line in the sand" a few years ago on syria?
I just can't figure out if he is sunni or shia, probably sunni given the time he spent in his youth.

This is SA's "safe zone" , he knows no one can get their fingers around his throat from here .
My guess is he's much quieter in actual social settings.

Poor sac.

Yeah, we would have been a lot better off with either Jon Kerry or Al Gore. Now where is that sarcasm icon? miles

I haven't been proud of my President since January 19th, 1989.

Who ever said that hindsight is 20-20 hit the nail on the head,there are ALWAYS unforseen reprucussions from any decisions.Look at the situation that the policy of "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" created.Reagan HONESTLY thought it was a good ideal for the country,and our military,and it did accomplish the much overlooked feat of weaking Russia,and in affect ending the cold war,but as we all know there was some long enduring negative affects as well,but it was an honest decision,and I still don't know if it was good,or bad,but Bush on the other hand made too many decisions for personal reasons,mainly to try to build his legacy,and the future politacal future of the Bush family..We now have the worst president we have ever had,and in comparison Bush looks good,but he was in no means a great President.

I can see where the move from San Francisco to Central Texas could have it's stresses.

To me, Bush's legacy was his naivete in thinking that the liberals in Congress and the media would remain supportive of the war effort. As soon as the dust settled from the fall of the World Trade Center, it was politics as usual for those traitors and Bush didn't respond. He didn't want to "sully" the office of the Presidency. Well, that got us Obama who has done enough sullying to cover a century's worth of administrations.

Anybody still defending Bush at this point is a friggen moron.

Eminent climate change within a 50' radius of that site, for sure.

A previous poster noted, where do we go from here. We obviously can't correct past mistakes, un-elect the clowns we've had as POTUS. Only the libs can rewrite history...

Hopefully we'll get a responsible adult in the White House and some sense can be made out of all this chaos.

Obviously it's gonna be a lot harder than if things had been consistently handled responsibly from the beginning.

DF

Then I suppose you can call me that, I think. I've written a lot on the subject (as we all have I think) and where GWB and I diverge was on HOW the war was prosecuted and of course the aftermath. He went in with about half the men required, so as units swept north, the rear was undefended and allowed insurgents to raid former Iraqi ammo dumps at will.
He allowed the dismantling of the Iraqi Army and political hierarchy, leaving behind and unemployed, bitter rabble. Add to this venomous religious hatred and that just made for the ensuing mess. He failed to port as much revenue from Iraqi oil to pay for the war and lastly and perhaps worst of all, he fell into the usual American Foreign Policy altruism, of thinking we can turn a ninth century culture into an image of a western democracy. He should have just taken useful pages from how to run an empire from the Brits. Conquer, keep them divided and keep the peace. And yes, this MESS all stemmed from the post WWI British screw up and the Jewish State. j

No worries. 50% of America believes that Obama is doing a great job.

Jorge, I would say that is a very fair assessment.

There is a vast difference between defending Bush and defending the truth. Sad that you miss that.

and even then its going to be a HARD pushback beacause of the infiltration of isis around the world,,like staff ifection all over ones body ,you dam near have to kill the whole body to get rid of it..

norm

not defending GWB at all, he did many things I disagree with during his presidency.

but then just like watching last nights game it's pretty easy to Monday morning qb.

nope many things he did seemed wrong to me, many things


but with that said, I'd take 10 terms as him as prez rather than the POS POTUS we have currently


how sad to see a once great country, coddle and protect and feed the slackers that a person like Obama could ever be elected to the highest office in this land once, leave alone twice.


the enemy is right here at home, folks like northwestalaska, Paddler and all their liberal friends and the denizens of society the leeches.


the real battle is here at home against those that would destroy our Constitution, particularly our 2nd amendment rights and their useful idiots that cheer them on.

Saddam was a tyrant who abused his people, threatened his neighbors and, finally invaded Kuwait. In many ways, the world is better off without him, the middle-east is better off without him and, Israel is better off without him. BUT, he did give stability to Iraq and did not tolerate any threats and he would have certainly have kept ISIS at bay.

Yep, the problem isn't Obongo, it's the people that elected him and twice...

That's the problem; the current POTUS is but a symptom...

DF

GWB had IRAQ well under control. Then Obummer, with some help from Hildog,
pulled all the troops out too early leaving a vaccuum which ISIS filled.

Oh yeah, or so he claimed from the deck of an aircraft carrier - what a joke that guy was and now we pay and pay and pay

History 50 yr from now will be a lot harder on GWB than I think anyone realizes and deservedly so

Fixed it for ya.

You'd like to think. Sad that folk cant face up to the truth

Those two words sure do belong together.

okay if truth is what you want, just what the F has Obama done during his 7 years to make the situation any better or more stable?


Arab spring?

Benghazi?

continued calls for curtailment of our 2nd amendment rights?

throwing LEO's under the bus and on each major instance, Treyvon Martin, Michael Brown, heck even the Cambridge episode? On each of those he's been on the wrong side of the law, so he could pander to the black community.


as I said before, no fan of GWB, but freakin light years better than the POS we have now, you want the truth?

you better go watch Jack Nicholson again.

yes it is. what's even sadder is the inability of some to connect the dots.........

HINT: BFD= BIG FUGGIN DOUCHEBAG.
1. The aircraft carrier banner was "mission accomplished for THAT aircraft carrier's mission.
2. The cost of the war was but a FRACTION of what democrats and Obama have spent.
3. The economic mess we are in is on the whole, on the democrats and their ever increasing "buy votes" program by using taxpayer monies bribe the idiots, like the OP for instance.

Good try jorge but ya missed the drop zone by miles. He's your hero but our problem

Are you an idiot, democrat or both?

With only 181 posts and these "impressive" posts here, obviously you've not read my past GWB comments. Here, I was just merely pointing out your factual fantasies, but fortunately only you, the OP are the ones perennially clueless...

I guess the Dems are planting the seeds for Hillary to run against GWB instead of needing to swim upstream against Obamas clusterfk of a presidency.

I think you should extend that at least for the next 8 years. Bush gave the Dems the WH for the past 7 years and also gave us the current batch of nut jobs who will in turn hand the WH over tho who ever the Dems run at least through 2024.

GWB...The gift that keeps giving!

Well don't forget GWB's other stinky finger where he brought the "Great Recession" into play.

Anybody that thinks that Obama has done a "good job" or thinks that any of the 2016 democratic presidential hopefuls are in any way, shape or form better suited for the job than any of the republican hopefuls is an absolute idiot

The reason they go back to GWB is because that easier than owning the clusterfuck they backed and voted for.

This is merely a distraction to take away from the current disaster that's in the White House

You mean the recession where, in spite of 9/11 where unemployment was down to near 5%, the economy growing (unemployment as in real, not the cooked books of Obama) and the economic crisis brought on by the housing mortgage crisis that republicans (including RP, McCain) had been trying to avoid since the 90s but democrats blocked any attempt at SANE mortgage lensing practices? I think you do this on purpose, Charlie, NOBODY can be this stupid...

We need Cruz.

YES WE DO..

Or you need a Rectal Exam....Might find your head!

You're head is so far up the porch monkey's azz that it shows up on his rectal exams. Eat [bleep] and die [bleep]..

I think you have to go back to Clinton and the republican lead congress for the roots of the recession. Thats pretty well documented.

The resident lie-berals are scared chitless of Cruz or Trump! Nice to see them panicking and trying to bring Bush back in play to hide the last 7 years of complete traitorous failures by their chosen one.

I don't think BHO has done a good job. The DEMS don't have a viable candidate running.
The reason to go back to GWB is the poliferation of radical islamists which is due to his Iraq war. It is what it is and presently playing out.

Stop repeating progressive fascist lies. The "mission accomplished" banner was on the aircraft carrier returning from the Middle East with their mission accomplished. It's sickening how you progressive fascists lie and propagandize. You are corrupt to the core.

Well being a true independent, not comparing him to anyone or any party things; just weighing him as a president... I think GWB's legacy is going to be a bit of a train wreck. His spending, and the Iraq war were huge fails. The prescription drug benefit was a massive stroke of dumb. Creating Homeland Security was good, but then growing it by 58% was a stoke of dumb.

Again, just on HIS merits, not comparing to anyone.

As for ISIS, if you really follow the creation of ISIS, you'd know it had nothing to do with Bush. And while Obama gets some of the blame, as soon as the revolution started in Syria, regardless of whether Obama got involved, there was going to be an ISIS. Would have happened without Obama, but he gets to claim some of the credit for getting us mixed up in the Syrian civil war.

Troop withdrawal was negotiated way before Obama... failure to gain an new accord with Immunity was what caused the further withdrawal and that was brought on by the military themselves!

Link

Phil

Wasting my time even attempting to discuss anything with the lying left. Willful ignorance and outright deceit are their goto plays.

Bush did nothing to help the situation, but he had perhaps the least role in creating it. Unfortunately if it happens on your watch, you end up with the credit.

and there it is, liberal hypocrisy in full display.


the economy almost imploding is Bush's fault, even though many of the systemic failures of the economy were under Clinton's watch.

but now Iraq is a mess 7 years into Obama's presidency and somehow it's all on GWB


that about cover it? thought so

True! There were no Radical Islamists before 'ole George came along!

None.............My God you're a Fuqking retard.

8 months into GWB's 1st term (in transition) 911
occurred to shake the U.S. to it's core. It did.
What do we do now? (not the past)

We could send them daisies with little hearts on the stems.......

Combat force withdrawal was set in motion. But the Obama administration failed to properly negotiate the number of US forces left in country. The Iraqis wanted more troops with some qualifiers and Obama's admin used those qualifiers as a way to throw their hands up and claim they couldn't get the SOF negotiated so they just quit. It wasn't the military. It was the admin negotiating, rather from a position of power, but using this as an excuse to bail and walk away.

Not like what was unleashed at the overthrow of Hussein. Look up what poliferation means, ya [bleep] dummy.

I can see why the campfire commies would rather discuss anyone other than the current bad joke.

Yep the current one is a joke. That's not the issue of the OP here. The ISIS crisis was brought to you by GWB. Stay on base or sit on the bench.

Bwahahahahahaahaha!