Friendly advice, Donald, and I do mean friendly...
Mark Levin·Saturday, January 16, 2016
Either cut the crap - your accusations this morning that Cruz is Canadian, a criminal, owned by big banks, etc. or you will lose lots and lots of conservatives.
Save the liberal New York City bully tactics for the New York City liberals.
Put down your computer keyboard for a few hours, think before you tweet, and collect yourself.
You're not politically invincible, regardless of the polls and media.
I am already hearing more and more people getting fed up with the low road you're taking against Cruz, which has obviously intensified this morning.
You don't need to attack his honor or attempt to smear his reputation.
You can leave that to Mitch McConnell and the New York Times.
Engage on real and substantive issues that matter to the country.
Like I said, my friendly advice.
Excellent advice.
If there has to be someone ripped to shreds about anything shady, the democrat candidates deserve the full force of it.
After Levine runs for the GOP nomination and pulls 40+ percent nationwide, *then* he'll be qualified to give people advice on how to run their campaigns.
After Bristoe builds his own nation-wide Conservative radio show, writes five conservative best-sellers and all those articles for National Review and becomes editor of Conservative Review THEN he will be qualified to give advice to Ex-Democrats on how to become Conservatives.
Trump looked down right silly pretending he wasn't pushing the birther stuff.
"just for the good of the party"
Sure.
Its "Levin" . . . just sayin'
Cruz should have never said the NY comment. He'll pay for it.
Its "Levin" . . . just sayin'
You are right.
Cruz should have never said the NY comment. He'll pay for it.
And Cruz is right.
Cruz should have never said the NY comment. He'll pay for it.
It's Hell when someone has to "pay" for the truth, but all the lies and bombast are free.
After Levine runs for the GOP nomination and pulls 40+ percent nationwide, *then* he'll be qualified to give people advice on how to run their campaigns.
I'll second Levins
OPINION...that said, as much as I like Trumps talking points, he acts like the class clown on the debate stage...making faces, rolling his eyes & shaking his head...another thing that bothers me about him is his arrogance... A whole lot of folks on here talk about obamas narcissism but I have yet to see that label attached to Trump...(The Donald)
I also think Trump would double down on obamas executive orders...Personally I want to see him crash and burn with Cruz being the one to send him into a unrecoverable tailspin...
Cruz should have never said the NY comment. He'll pay for it.
And Cruz is right.
Really? Dude takes money from his wifes work, doesn't disclose it, and then talks chit?
Dude takes money from his wifes work
I would probably borrow from the bank my wife works at as well. No big deal.
Its not like he stole furniture from the whitehouse
Dude takes money from his wifes work
I would probably borrow from the bank my wife works at as well. No big deal.
Its not like he stole furniture from the whitehouse
People don't go to Goldman for ATV or boat loans - not that type of bank.
IIRC - you have to have north of 10 million to even open account there. Staffers have to have at least a million to bank with their own employer.
I believe he was qualified for a loan right?
I believe he was qualified for a loan right?
Didn't say he didn't - but optics man. If you don't want to look like you're with Wall St (for whatever reason) - you don't bank with Goldman or Lazard or whomever...
Tactical error I guess.
More a tactic of desperation I think. As stated, his opponent had a war chest of 200 million.
Didn't say he didn't - but optics man. If you don't want to look like you're with Wall St (for whatever reason) - you don't bank with Goldman or Lazard or whomever...
Tactical error I guess.
It was scary enough for me that his wife worked for Goldman. Now it turns out he's borrowing money from them (and forgetting to report it, whoops!). Just the fact that Goldman has their tentacles in The Great Red Hope, and all the true believers are giving him a pass, well, that's pretty disappointing.
Now it turns out he's borrowing money from them
He borrowed from them for a senate campaign in texas. Did he borrow some for his presidential run as well?
And how is borrowed money the equivalent of a 20 million dollar donation of taxpayer money?
http://www.allenbwest.com/2016/01/h...-despicable-donor-yet-but-it-gets-worse/
He borrowed from them for a senate campaign in texas.
Yes, he did. And the rest of your post is irrelevant to that.
Speaking of irrelevant...a bank loan, and a working wife
Completely as an interesting idea:
I wonder if a 20 million dollar loan to him for President would make it past risk assessment - today?
I mean, how does an investment bank like GS who will do anything NOT to lose money do a proper risk analysis of loaning money for a political race - regardless of candidate or race.
He borrowed from them for a senate campaign in texas.
Yes, he did. And the rest of your post is irrelevant to that.
No more irrelevant than the entire topic.
Do you really believe the lieberals couldn't find dirt on Trump or Hillary every hour of the day and every day of the week with little effort. But they won't turn the country around. Cruz will and that scares the chit out of them, so here we are in irrelevant land.
What's the problem with taking loans, if you pay them back?
What's the problem with taking loans, if you pay them back?
It isn't like he was laundering money
http://www.fromthetrenchesworldrepo...inst-george-soros-and-donald-trump/17232
He borrowed from them for a senate campaign in texas.
Yes, he did. And the rest of your post is irrelevant to that.
No more irrelevant than the entire topic.
Do you really believe the lieberals couldn't find dirt on Trump or Hillary every hour of the day and every day of the week with little effort. But they won't turn the country around. Cruz will and that scares the chit out of them, so here we are in irrelevant land.
If you true believers are so completely in denial that you can't at least acknowledge the potential for Goldman to have influence over Cruz, I don't know what else to say. This isn't about Trump or Hilary. This is about Mr. Tea Party, who rags on New York, but took their money.
No problem - but the way a bank stays in business is to make loans that are likely to be made whole with interest.
Just curious - how does one do a risk assessment on a loan of that size unless there's a massive amount of collateral against it?
Bob Smith is a democrat from Kentucky. Wants to run for governor. Needs 35 million to get it done. Isn't liquid. Puts up his horse farms and 2 bourbon distilleries as collateral. Gets a loan.
I don't know - and this is strictly an academic thing/fictitious deal here.... A regular bank that's used to making secured loans probably has a mechanism to take care of a default. Take possession and liquidate the collateral. Fairly rote tho probably not on that scale.
A bank like GS - they don't do commercial work like that typically. How do they do it then? Internally, say Bob Smith defaults on his 35 million loan from Lloyd and the guys. How and what would they do with his stuff?
I wonder if, in that situation, an investment bank who has no commercial side would be more reluctant to close the loan down for non-payment?
Speaking of irrelevant...a bank loan, and a working wife
Goldman Sachs is hardly just "a bank", but I'm sure you realize that.
How is it relevant, since he paid it back?
Cruz should have never said the NY comment. He'll pay for it.
How?
It isn't likely he would have carried New York anyway.
How is it relevant, since he paid it back?
It may not be.
How did a guy that had to borrow 1M in 2011-2, pay back 1M in principal and interest in 3 years?
How is it relevant, since he paid it back?
If one receives a loan that they would not otherwise receive unless done so as a political favor, then it is absolutely relevant.
How is it relevant, since he paid it back?
If one receives a loan that they would not otherwise receive unless done so as a political favor, then it is absolutely relevant.
At least he didn't just claim bankruptcy and screw his investors.
How is it relevant, since he paid it back?
If one receives a loan that they would not otherwise receive unless done so as a political favor, then it is absolutely relevant.
At least he didn't just claim bankruptcy and screw his investors.
So, you're saying that TC is corrupt, just not as corrupt as DT?
Nope, and saying people with a political agenda always try to make something out of nothing.
That's the way the game is played.
Problem is, it only *counts* when it's a R.
At least all this crap is comin out ow, tho it'll be repeated endlessly later.
Yup, and it's gonna get far worse. The cool thing is, every lie and exaggeration told lessens the credibility of the teller.
Cruz should have never said the NY comment. He'll pay for it.
I don't think it hurt him much if at all. The only ones who might have been offended are NYC liberals and the media. I am thinking the upstate conservative folk understood his point very well and agreed.
How is it relevant, since he paid it back?
Because any connection with Goldman Sachs makes you wonder if he's a tea party guy who's for the people, or just another bought and paid for politician owned by corporate interests.
Yup, and it's gonna get far worse. The cool thing is, every lie and exaggeration told lessens the credibility of the teller.
Not if the lie is told by the Daily Show or Bill Mahre...
I see your point...ignorant people are easy to trick. You can't fix stupid, so I guess they just need to vote for somebody else. We won't miss them.
The democrats on the campfire seem to be a little worried about Cruz. I think maybe they can see what's coming. Go Ted!
He borrowed from them for a senate campaign in texas.
Yes, he did. And the rest of your post is irrelevant to that.
No more irrelevant than the entire topic.
Do you really believe the lieberals couldn't find dirt on Trump or Hillary every hour of the day and every day of the week with little effort. But they won't turn the country around. Cruz will and that scares the chit out of them, so here we are in irrelevant land.
If you true believers are so completely in denial that you can't at least acknowledge the potential for Goldman to have influence over Cruz, I don't know what else to say. This isn't about Trump or Hilary. This is about Mr. Tea Party, who rags on New York, but took their money.
If Jesus was running, I'd support Him, but He's otherwise occupied I understand. Until then, I'll have to settle for the next best available and I believe that's Cruz.
After Bristoe builds his own nation-wide Conservative radio show, writes five conservative best-sellers and all those articles for National Review and becomes editor of Conservative Review THEN he will be qualified to give advice to Ex-Democrats on how to become Conservatives.
Ouch!!!
That had to smart
After Levine runs for the GOP nomination and pulls 40+ percent nationwide, *then* he'll be qualified to give people advice on how to run their campaigns.
I'll second Levins
OPINION...that said, as much as I like Trumps talking points, he acts like the class clown on the debate stage...making faces, rolling his eyes & shaking his head...another thing that bothers me about him is his arrogance... A whole lot of folks on here talk about obamas narcissism but I have yet to see that label attached to Trump...(The Donald)
I also think Trump would double down on obamas executive orders...Personally I want to see him crash and burn with Cruz being the one to send him into a unrecoverable tailspin...
Are you sayin'...the message is good But the Act is gettin' a little old.
I prefer Ted's STYLE and his message is every bit on the mark.
Plus...Ted has attacked the policies of Obozo and the DemoGoonies numerous times... has "the" Donald?? ... not a small fracton of the times Cruz has done so... gotta make ya wonder bout "the" Donald !
Cruz 2016!
If Jesus was running, I'd support Him, but He's otherwise occupied I understand. Until then, I'll have to settle for the next best available and I believe that's Cruz.
Then you have to decide for yourself the difference between throwing the moneychangers out of the temple, and hobnobbing with them at you wife's Christmas party, and borrowing a million or so bucks from them. YMMV
prefer Ted's STYLE and his message is every bit on the mark.
I doubt even the most ardent Trumpett would contest the solid conservative voting record of Cruz, and neither can contest the solid lieberal voting record of Trump, yet they support the trojan horse. It has to be a disease.
he could be just throwing this stuff out there now to eliminate any october surprises for cruz, whom trump actually hopes will get the nomination. with his reckless bs, it almost seems like trump wants to see what he can get away with. like its a game for him.
Lt, this YT video shows what a know-it-all, holier-than-thou, full-of-himself, snide, a-hole, "THE" Donald...IS !
Obozo, Haglarry and the DemoGoonies have done and continue doing much much worse, treasonus acts in fact. Where is "THE" Donald's outrage at any of that??? Guess he doesn't attack his "friends", especially politicians that can do favors for him... "THE" Donald doesn't want to cut his bridges to any of his NY Schitty VALUES FRIENDS !
Imagine 1 Term of this ph#ctard - No Thank You !
Ted Cruz 2016 ... Because we need his smarts in picking the next bunch of Supreme Court Constitutionalist Judges that strictly hold to the Constitution ...and do Not Legislate from the bench!!!
If Jesus was running, I'd support Him, but He's otherwise occupied I understand. Until then, I'll have to settle for the next best available and I believe that's Cruz.
Then you have to decide for yourself the difference between throwing the moneychangers out of the temple, and hobnobbing with them at you wife's Christmas party, and borrowing a million or so bucks from them. YMMV
Not at all. Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and to God that which is God's.
We all have to operate in this world but don't have to be tarnished by it. I believe Crux has the intellect, principals, and discipline to both understand and accomplish that.
If Jesus was running, I'd support Him, but He's otherwise occupied I understand. Until then, I'll have to settle for the next best available and I believe that's Cruz.
Then you have to decide for yourself the difference between throwing the moneychangers out of the temple, and hobnobbing with them at you wife's Christmas party, and borrowing a million or so bucks from them. YMMV
Not at all. Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and to God that which is God's.
We all have to operate in this world but don't have to be tarnished by it. I believe Crux has the intellect, principals, and discipline to both understand and accomplish that.
The operative words being "I believe". That's why I said YMMV. I recognize folks will be in different places on the "benefit of the doubt" scale, but it seems a lot of the fanboys don't even want to consider there may be an issue here.
If Jesus was running, I'd support Him, but He's otherwise occupied I understand. Until then, I'll have to settle for the next best available and I believe that's Cruz.
Then you have to decide for yourself the difference between throwing the moneychangers out of the temple, and hobnobbing with them at you wife's Christmas party, and borrowing a million or so bucks from them. YMMV
Not at all. Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and to God that which is God's.
We all have to operate in this world but don't have to be tarnished by it. I believe Crux has the intellect, principals, and discipline to both understand and accomplish that.
The operative words being "I believe". That's why I said YMMV. I recognize folks will be in different places on the "benefit of the doubt" scale, but it seems a lot of the fanboys don't even want to consider there may be an issue here.
It's certainly unfortunate that he didn't disclose properly and I wish he would have done so. I'm sure he does as well. But it becomes a total non-issue to me given it is not a legal issue in this election, and most importantly noting his performance and voting record compared to those of his competition.
Any person on the GOP stage has a significantly more conservative voting record and has maintained more consistently conservative positions than Trump, who has none of either until the last 6 months.
It seems you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them smell the roses. Is that how that goes?
How is it relevant, since he paid it back?
Because any connection with Goldman Sachs makes you wonder if he's a tea party guy who's for the people, or just another bought and paid for politician owned by corporate interests.
Lets see if I got this right...Trump is all over Cruz because he took out Goldman Sachs LOANS to finance his run for the Senate.
But for his VP Trump wants Scott Brown who got yuge DONATIONS from Goldman Sachs in his run for the Senate...
It is strange that a "conservative" would consider Trump a hero because he is rich, and ostracize those less lucky because they have to borrow money from those like him in an effort to compete.
It is strange that a "conservative" would consider Trump a hero because he is rich, and ostracize those less lucky because they have to borrow money from those like him in an effort to compete.
As Trump continues to be Trump, his supporters need more reasons to continue with him. The MSM is only too happy to provide that, given the total terror Cruz invokes in their lieberal hearts and minds.
Right or wrong smart or no we are quibbling about a legal loan while $2 billion is missing from the State dept. Little bigger story in my book.
How is it relevant, since he paid it back?
Because any connection with Goldman Sachs makes you wonder if he's a tea party guy who's for the people, or just another bought and paid for politician owned by corporate interests.
Lets see if I got this right...Trump is all over Cruz because he took out Goldman Sachs LOANS to finance his run for the Senate.
But for his VP Trump wants Scott Brown who got yuge DONATIONS from Goldman Sachs in his run for the Senate...
I have no idea what Trump thinks about this and I don't really care. Because it doesn't really matter as to the point of whether Cruz is who he says he is, or just another Goldman asset who has played conservative so far. But keep your eyes squeezed shut and I'm sure you'll be fine.
Right or wrong smart or no we are quibbling about a legal loan while $2 billion is missing from the State dept. Little bigger story in my book.
Hadn't heard that but I have a good idea where to look.
How is it relevant, since he paid it back?
Because any connection with Goldman Sachs makes you wonder if he's a tea party guy who's for the people, or just another bought and paid for politician owned by corporate interests.
Lets see if I got this right...Trump is all over Cruz because he took out Goldman Sachs LOANS to finance his run for the Senate.
But for his VP Trump wants Scott Brown who got yuge DONATIONS from Goldman Sachs in his run for the Senate...
I have no idea what Trump thinks about this and I don't really care. Because it doesn't really matter as to the point of whether Cruz is who he says he is, or just another Goldman asset who has played conservative so far. But keep your eyes squeezed shut and I'm sure you'll be fine.
But keep your eyes squeezed shut and I'm sure you'll be fine in voting for Trump the Democrat.
But keep your eyes squeezed shut and I'm sure you'll be fine in voting for Trump the Democrat.
If you spent the time you just wasted trying to read my mind actually thinking, you'd be much better off in the long run.
But keep your eyes squeezed shut and I'm sure you'll be fine in voting for Trump the Democrat.
If you spent the time you just wasted trying to read my mind actually thinking, you'd be much better off in the long run.
Why don't you try the same thing?
But keep your eyes squeezed shut and I'm sure you'll be fine in voting for Trump the Democrat.
If you spent the time you just wasted trying to read my mind actually thinking, you'd be much better off in the long run.
Why don't you try the same thing?
Because I'm not trying to read your mind? I'm just asking why none of Cruz's fanboys think him being hooked up with Goldman should be an issue, and you immediately change the subject to Trump.
RufusG,
Because I'm not trying to read your mind? I'm just asking why none of Cruz's fanboys think him being hooked up with Goldman should be an issue, and you immediately change the subject to Trump.
Certainly you saw the connection from Cruz to Trump
that was made. If not, you are the one with his eyes closed.
RufusG,
Because I'm not trying to read your mind? I'm just asking why none of Cruz's fanboys think him being hooked up with Goldman should be an issue, and you immediately change the subject to Trump.
Certainly you saw the connection from Cruz to Trump
that was made. If not, you are the one with his eyes closed.
I don't know how to say this any plainer. I simply don't GAF about what Trump has to do with any of this. I'm asking a question about Cruz to his supporters. One guy more or less answered it saying he'll give him the benefit of the doubt. That's fine. Everybody else can't change the subject fast enough.
Lt, this YT video shows what a know-it-all, holier-than-thou, full-of-himself, snide, a-hole, "THE" Donald...IS !
Obozo, Haglarry and the DemoGoonies have done and continue doing much much worse, treasonus acts in fact. Where is "THE" Donald's outrage at any of that??? Guess he doesn't attack his "friends", especially politicians that can do favors for him... "THE" Donald doesn't want to cut his bridges to any of his NY Schitty VALUES FRIENDS !
Imagine 1 Term of this ph#ctard - No Thank You !
Ted Cruz 2016 ... Because we need his smarts in picking the next bunch of Supreme Court Constitutionalist Judges that strictly hold to the Constitution ...and do Not Legislate from the bench!!!
Speaking of running campaigns....I wonder if Donald Trump has considered the fact that, if he wins the nomination, he's going to need the folks that he has disaffected through his disparaging of other same-party opponents? Trump might be popular, but that doesn't mean he isn't an idiot (just as being educated doesn't mean you are smart.)
Meanness, hate, and division are all wonderful, popular concepts. If you don't believe that, consider the fact that gangs are still popular both in and out of prison, that many otherwise intelligent people thought Hitler (or Obama) was their beacon of hope, that chickens and apes still have a pecking order....
Trump is not the "hope and change" many people think he is; he's more of the same old "hope and change" we have now.
Right or wrong smart or no we are quibbling about a legal loan while $2 billion is missing from the State dept. Little bigger story in my book.
Hadn't heard that but I have a good idea where to look.
RickyD, sorry I was way off. It is $6b. Link below is from judicial watch but they are certainly not alone in reporting it.
Missing money under Hillary's watch
Amazing malfeasance until you consider the players.
Because I'm not trying to read your mind? I'm just asking why none of Cruz's fanboys think him being hooked up with Goldman should be an issue, and you immediately change the subject to Trump.
Most of us know that the Wilks Bros. and Nuegebaur here in Texas support Cruz to the point he doesn't need any W.S. money for his Potus run.
His Senate run proved what he could do, and as long as he can continue raising substantial money thru small contributions, they will pick up any slack.
And neither of his big backers need any favors from him after he is elected.
Cruz is his own man.
RufusG,
Because I'm not trying to read your mind? I'm just asking why none of Cruz's fanboys think him being hooked up with Goldman should be an issue, and you immediately change the subject to Trump.
Certainly you saw the connection from Cruz to Trump
that was made. If not, you are the one with his eyes closed.
Trump is kinda hard to leave out of this issue...
“Goldman Sachs owns him, he will do anything they demand. Not much of a reformer!” Trump tweeted.
“Ted Cruz purposely, and illegally, did not list on his personal disclosure form personally guaranteed loans from banks,” Trump added. “They own him!”
“Based on the fact that Ted Cruz was born in Canada and is therefore a “natural born Canadian,” did he borrow unreported loans from C banks?” Trump asked.
Because I'm not trying to read your mind? I'm just asking why none of Cruz's fanboys think him being hooked up with Goldman should be an issue, and you immediately change the subject to Trump.
Most of us know that the Wilks Bros. and Nuegebaur here in Texas support Cruz to the point he doesn't need any W.S. money for his Potus run.
His Senate run proved what he could do, and as long as he can continue raising substantial money thru small contributions, they will pick up any slack.
And neither of his big backers need any favors from him after he is elected.
Cruz is his own man.
Thanks for actually answering the question. Somehow you did it without changing the subject to Trump.
Once upon a time,
And neither of his big backers need any favors from him after he is elected.
And they all lived happily ever after.
Thanks for actually answering the question. Somehow you did it without changing the subject to Trump.
The subject of this thread is Trump. And him making stuff up.
Thanks for actually answering the question. Somehow you did it without changing the subject to Trump.
The subject of this thread is Trump. And him making stuff up.
And every thread on the 'Fire rigidly stays within the focus of the initial post. Yeah, got it. I apologize for thinking I could ask a serious question and actually have an adult discussion.
Amazing malfeasance until you consider the players.
Weren't you just crying about people "changing the subject to Trump"? (On a thread, in which Trump is the subject.)
Amazing malfeasance until you consider the players.
Weren't you just crying about people "changing the subject to Trump"? (On a thread, in which Trump is the subject.)
I will reiterate what Levine advised ..."Donald, cut the crap"!
After Levine runs for the GOP nomination and pulls 40+ percent nationwide, *then* he'll be qualified to give people advice on how to run their campaigns.
I'll second Levins
OPINION...that said, as much as I like Trumps talking points, he acts like the class clown on the debate stage...making faces, rolling his eyes & shaking his head...another thing that bothers me about him is his arrogance... A whole lot of folks on here talk about obamas narcissism but I have yet to see that label attached to Trump...(The Donald)
I also think Trump would double down on obamas executive orders...Personally I want to see him crash and burn with Cruz being the one to send him into a unrecoverable tailspin...
Exactly correct.
Completely as an interesting idea:
I wonder if a 20 million dollar loan to him for President would make it past risk assessment - today?
I mean, how does an investment bank like GS who will do anything NOT to lose money do a proper risk analysis of loaning money for a political race - regardless of candidate or race.
Da.....they own the candidate perhaps?