After 10% Reporting In Iowa

Cruz: 29. 7 percent

Trump 27.8 percent

Rubio 18.6 percent.

Carson then Bush thereafter.

Go Ted.

16% in:

Cruz 30

Trump 27

Rubio 19

Carson 10--Good for Ben!

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28% in:

Clinton 52

Sanders 48

O'Malley---Go Home!

But on the "blue side" Hitlery has a 4% lead over Bernie.
When's that darn indictment gonna drop?

tight on both sides right now

So far so good

Rubio and Trump tied at 16 each in our little caucus.
Cruz 5
Paul 3
Carson 2.

Nobody else got their name circled.

Our caucus is made up of a bunch of old farmers, the vote kinda surprised me.

Ethanol was a factor?

Originally Posted by dvdegeorge

Ethanol was a factor?

Isn't it always?

Our caucus:
45 - Rubio
29 - Cruz
27 - Trump
16 - Carson
9 - Bush
8 - Paul
2 - Carly
1 - Christie
1 - Huckabee

Decent turnout for a town of 1200... Thank God its over!

That's great news.

Carson Is departing from the the race and returning to Florida!!!!!

To get a fresh set of clothes!

Question,,,
Why don't they show the number of Democrat votes??
They are showing total number for ea.candidate,are the numbers that low they don't want to show totals??

Quote

Carson Is departing from the the race

I thought he might do better. Too many gun owners in iowa I guess.

Originally Posted by rong

Question,,,
Why don't they show the number of Democrat votes??
They are showing total number for ea.canidate,are the numbers that low they don't want to show totals??

They just did.

Rubio is right in the mix. He may just pull ahead of this one.

Trump dropping!

Our caucus had it Cruz, Rubio, then Trump.

Our previous caucus record was 183 participants, tonight was 288.

Nice

liberals.......commi. Rats.
Portsider.

what if both Cruz and Rubio beat Trump?

It's Trump'a ball right??

I'm thinking Trump let Rubio back in the race by skipping the last debate

Yup and Rubio's strategists told him to pick up his religious belief delivery.

Our caucus the top 3 with 276 voters in the room.

Rubio 83

Cruz 70

Trump 53

kwg

Originally Posted by byc

what if both Cruz and Rubio beat Trump?

It's Trump'a ball right??

I'm not sure Iowa represents much of the rest of the country.

Several really need to drop out after tonight.

Originally Posted by muleshoe

Originally Posted by byc

what if both Cruz and Rubio beat Trump?

It's Trump's ball right??

I'm not sure Iowa represents much of the rest of the country.

Several really need to drop out after tonight.

Agreed but does Trump have the patience for that?

If the above happens then I bet he erupts on the good folks of Iowa and takes his ball onto home!

Rubio is definitely in this thing. Pretty sure my folks will lean his way in SC.

Quote

Agreed but does Trump have the patience for that?

If the above happens then I bet he erupts on the good folks of Iowa and takes his ball onto home!

trump was always meant to run third party.

pretty close all around.
who is gonna drop out?
on the blue side sounds like O'Malley is toast.

I would expect the establishment to start incremental cheating pretty soon to bring their boy Rubio towards the top.

Originally Posted by watch4bear

Quote

Agreed but does Trump have the patience for that?

If the above happens then I bet he erupts on the good folks of Iowa and takes his ball onto home!

trump was always meant to run third party.

Not good...

http://drudgereport.com/

Iowa GOP vote reporting website crashes...
RECORD TURNOUT REPUBLICANS... DEVELOPING...
FIRST VOTES IN NATION...
RESULTS...

CLINTON 51% SANDERS 49%
CRUZ 28% TRUMP 25% RUBIO 22%

Here comes Bernie and Rubio! If Rubio keeps this up then he is your GOP nominee.

O'Malley is OUT!! Officially! Those votes should go to the Bern!

Schit,o'malley was never really in.

Ken there's still time for you to jump in!!

Originally Posted by byc

Originally Posted by muleshoe

Originally Posted by byc

what if both Cruz and Rubio beat Trump?

It's Trump's ball right??

I'm not sure Iowa represents much of the rest of the country.

Several really need to drop out after tonight.

Agreed but does Trump have the patience for that?

If the above happens then I bet he erupts on the good folks of Iowa and takes his ball onto home!

If he comes in 3rd, he won't go home. He'll go Third party to make the GOP Pay.! Cause "nobody makes an ass outta Trump, except Trump!"

As much as I despise "the Beast" I 'm kinda glad Bernie is gaining.Hope he can pull O'Malley's voters.

Originally Posted by Deerwhacker444

Originally Posted by byc

Originally Posted by muleshoe

Originally Posted by byc

what if both Cruz and Rubio beat Trump?

It's Trump's ball right??

I'm not sure Iowa represents much of the rest of the country.

Several really need to drop out after tonight.

Agreed but does Trump have the patience for that?

If the above happens then I bet he erupts on the good folks of Iowa and takes his ball onto home!

If he comes in 3rd, he won't go home. He'll go Third party to make the GOP Pay.! Cause "nobody makes an ass outta Trump, except Trump!"

Totally agree and what I said in the other thread. The D will F us all.

Originally Posted by byc

Originally Posted by Deerwhacker444

Originally Posted by byc

Originally Posted by muleshoe

Originally Posted by byc

what if both Cruz and Rubio beat Trump?

It's Trump's ball right??

I'm not sure Iowa represents much of the rest of the country.

Several really need to drop out after tonight.

Agreed but does Trump have the patience for that?

If the above happens then I bet he erupts on the good folks of Iowa and takes his ball onto home!

If he comes in 3rd, he won't go home. He'll go Third party to make the GOP Pay.! Cause "nobody makes an ass outta Trump, except Trump!"

Totally agree and what I said in the other thread. The D will F us all.

This may be all part of the master plan,,,

Originally Posted by elkhunternm

Schit,o'malley was never really in.

Who?

If Rubio becomes the Nominee, and wins the General Election, y'all better get ready for a swarm of illegals to swim the Rio Grande like we've never seen before.

Sure hope CRUZ can pull ahead and beat them all.

Originally Posted by chlinstructor

If Rubio becomes the Nominee, and wins the General Election, y'all better get ready for a swarm of illegals to swim the Rio Grande like we've never seen before.

Sure hope CRUZ can pull ahead and beat them all.

They wont need to swim,he'll provide a ferry..

7 Iowa caucus winners who flopped down the stretch

http://www.nbc26.com/news/national/7-iowa-caucus-winners-who-flopped-down-the-stretch

It's over boys!

Cruz!

And Rubio is right behind the Trumpeter!

sweet!

Will Rubio be second?

Please God, make it stop!

Originally Posted by rong

Originally Posted by chlinstructor

If Rubio becomes the Nominee, and wins the General Election, y'all better get ready for a swarm of illegals to swim the Rio Grande like we've never seen before.

Sure hope CRUZ can pull ahead and beat them all.

They wont need to swim,he'll provide a ferry..

No doubt!

I wonder if members are going to a polls up

Guess the Donald skipping the Debate wasn't such a great idea after all!

Yawn. Call me after South Carolina. That will tell you who the top 2 are.

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Past Iowa Caucus Winners: Who Has Gone On To Win The Nomination, Presidency?
01/03/2012 06:59 pm ET
What do Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush and Ronald Reagan have in common?

These former presidents all lost in the Iowa caucuses, but won their party's nomination and, of course, the subsequent general elections.

What about Mike Huckabee, Dick Gephardt and Tom Harkin? They came in first in Iowa but failed to become their party's standard-bearer.

Iowa has always chosen its presidential candidates using caucuses, but the caucuses didn't achieve the significance currently attributed to them until 1972, when the Democratic Party moved the contest to the beginning of the year.

Since then, however, only three non-incumbent candidates who won Iowa have gone on to win the presidency.

Paul, bush, kasich,fiorina,huckabee,Christie, Santorum need to drop out

Candidate / votes
pct
delegates

Cruz43,550
28%
5
Trump38,358
24%
5
Rubio36,065
23%
5
Carson14,609
9%
1
Paul7,103
4%
0
Bush4,409
3%
0
Kasich2,970
2%
0
Fiorina2,867
2%
0
Huckabee2,758
2%
0
Christie2,731
2%
0
Santorum1,542

the Huckster is droppin,who's next?

Sending the message I was looking to see. Time to see a few of the less popular candidates to drop out of the race and see where they may throw their votes. The top three runners are fairly tight. Will be interesting to see what will happen when the other 25 percent or so, of the vote is allotted to the candidates that truly have a realistic chance in this race.

Off to a great start from my perspective!

Cant get over some of the damaging statments delivered by one of these guys.

(My people wont break away even if I were to shoot somone)

Of course this is early and voters have the opportunity to become more educated in the months to come.

Clinton camp already declaring victory. I hope the devil crawls all the way up her azzzz and makes her pay for that!!

Right now, Cruz by 3 with Rubio a lot closer than anyone expected.

CRUZ 28%
TRUMP 25%
RUBIO 22%

On the other side, The Bern is within a point of Hildabest.
CLINTON 50%
SANDERS 49%

Originally Posted by hatari

Yawn. Call me after South Carolina. That will tell you who the top 2 are.

SC will go Rubio or maybeeeeeee Cruz. You heard it here

Originally Posted by 79S

Paul, bush, kasich,fiorina,huckabee,Christie, Santorum need to drop out

...months ago.

O'Malley is out.

Iowa poll Cruz 28%, Tromp 24%, Rubio 24%

Originally Posted by chlinstructor

If Rubio becomes the Nominee, and wins the General Election, y'all better get ready for a swarm of illegals to swim the Rio Grande like we've never seen before.

Sure hope CRUZ can pull ahead and beat them all.

You better F'in believe it. He'll owe so much payola down here, it's not even funny.

Expect the establishment to go ALL IN for Rubio now.

Rubio giving his victory speech.

The establishment is going to run another loser in on the GOP.

Just say, if Paul would have dropped out would have Cruz received Paul's 5%?

Originally Posted by byc

Originally Posted by hatari

Yawn. Call me after South Carolina. That will tell you who the top 2 are.

SC will go Rubio or maybeeeeeee Cruz. You heard it here

Hoop, you need to be educating your fellow constituents about Rub's politics. He's a sweet talkin sob, but he's establishment all the way. And we won't need a fence if he's elected. They'll just be driving through the front door.

We need about 4-5 people to drop out now already.

WO who!!!! Go cruise missile!!! Chump go to hell ...lol...

Please God, I don't ask for much, let Hillary lose now.

Cruz p ...Paul VP ....IMO .....send the sobs packing !

It is up to Congress for border control. Not a President. The President just says Yes or No, if the votes are close in Congress.

It is up to Congress to build a wall. Not up to a President to build a wall.

Rubio comes in 3rd and gives his "victory" speech....

Trump just said Huckaphoney is his really great friend. Testing the waters on a VP choice?

The Bren is catching Hillary.
Huckabee is dropping out.
Rubio is catching the Donald.

I just want Ted to call Donald and say "Winning".

FOX just said Cruz set a record for the most Iowa caucus votes in a primary.

Originally Posted by OutlawPatriot

FOX just said Cruz set a record for the most Iowa caucus votes in a primary.

Impressive

The Donald's speech lasted all of a minute but good job towards humality.

The Liar and the Socialist separated by 0.2% now.

barn burner for sure......50-50

Tromp speech was boring. I was hoping he would have call Iowans names (dumb, stupid, etc,) for entertainment

Originally Posted by OutlawPatriot

The Liar and the Socialist separated by 0.2% now.

I wish Sanders would beat that ugly ole witch! And Sanders will be easier to defeat in the General Election, too.

Originally Posted by byc

The Donald's speech lasted all of a minute but good job towards humality.

I like the jabs they are taking at hillary lol

Originally Posted by OutlawPatriot

Trump just said Huckaphoney is his really great friend. Testing the waters on a VP choice?

Don would have won if he hadn't pulled in the Huckster and the Sanctum Santorum.

Originally Posted by chlinstructor

Originally Posted by OutlawPatriot

The Liar and the Socialist separated by 0.2% now.

I wish Sanders would beat that ugly ole witch! And Sanders will be easier to defeat in the General Election, too.

I want her to lose because I despise her, but disagree on the general election thing. I would rather run against Hillary's scandalized bloody corpse.

For the Cruz supporters, the best thing that could happen now or maybe after NH, is for Ben Carson to drop out and endorse Ted. Nearly all his supporters would go straight to Cruz and that's about 10%. I have NO IDEA if Carson would actually do that but his supporters are more constitutionalists and would likely split between Cruz and Paul imo.

Originally Posted by byc

The Donald's speech lasted all of a minute but good job towards humality.

Not a humble concession blah blah. Mostly about himself blah blah.Rubio at least put this race for the White House in context of how impotant it is to get off this ruinous road the Demotards want to travel.
Waiting for Cruz to give a barn burner Victory speech!!!

Hey, I'm 1/16th Penobscot. Grew up in NH and Maine

Go Bernie go.

ROTF, Hilary camp claiming victory with a 0.2% lead.

I'm not overly surprised that Cruz was able to fool the evangelicals in Iowa. After all,...he's been praying on Des Moines street corners for 14 hours a day for 6 months.

But what the hell is wrong with those people who voted for Rubio?

I can't believe that 22% of Republican voters in Iowa want amnesty for illegals.

Don't those people read any damn thing?

Originally Posted by Bristoe

I'm not overly surprised that Cruz was able to fool the evangelicals in Iowa. After all,...he's been praying on Des Moines street corners for 14 hours a day for 6 months.

But what the hell is wrong with those people who voted for Rubio?

I can't believe that 22% of Republican voters in Iowa want amnesty for illegals.

Don't those people read any damn thing?

Rubio's a forked tongue guy and cleverly stole a bunch of votes at the last minute with crap ads. And as far as the evangelicals go, Trump increased his in church time by 20,000% in the last month in Iowa so I wouldn't be pointing fingers over pandering.

Maybe Rubio is now the protest vote against Trump?

Originally Posted by Bristoe

I'm not overly surprised that Cruz was able to fool the evangelicals in Iowa. After all,...he's been praying on Des Moines street corners for 14 hours a day for 6 months.

But what the hell is wrong with those people who voted for Rubio?

I can't believe that 22% of Republican voters in Iowa want amnesty for illegals.

Don't those people read any damn thing?

You ever consider that is not a concern to them folks Iowa?

Just think if Rubio would have dropped out of the race Cruz would have been 48%.

Originally Posted by 496

Just think if Rubio would have dropped out of the race Cruz would have been 48%.

Rubio's never gonna quit unfortunately.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

I'm not overly surprised that Cruz was able to fool the evangelicals in Iowa. After all,...he's been praying on Des Moines street corners for 14 hours a day for 6 months.

But what the hell is wrong with those people who voted for Rubio?

I can't believe that 22% of Republican voters in Iowa want amnesty for illegals.

Don't those people read any damn thing?

You have no idea how disgusting Trump is to a majority of people.

Rubio is the beneficiary of that disgust in people who don't like Cruz but want to vote for a winner. So..... they'll try and make him a winner.

Trump's negatives were mentioned on the radio today: 60%!

Originally Posted by Bristoe

....

But what the hell is wrong with those people who voted for Rubio?

I can't believe that 22% of Republican voters in Iowa want amnesty for illegals.

Don't those people read any damn thing?

Rubio makes people laugh with his quick quips on Hillary and looks like he's 23. That's enough for a lot of the people. Plus half the people in Iowa probably don't even know what an illegal is.

Rubio = superficial, low information voters.

Either that, or 22% of Iowa Republicans wants the country to be flooded with illegals who will be given citizenship and then vote to make this country ruled by Democrats until it folds under,....which won't be too damn long.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Rubio = superficial, low information voters.

You just described the majority of American voters.

Congrats to Cruz and his campaign.

Travis

Cruz giving a pretty impressive victory speech imo.

Originally Posted by deflave

Congrats to Cruz and his campaign.

Travis

As you know, it's a LONG road ahead for ALL these candidates. But I think things just got more interesting.

LOL Sanders ragging on Trump. Go back to the nursing home old man.

Originally Posted by 8SNAKE

Originally Posted by Bristoe

Rubio = superficial, low information voters.

You just described the majority of American voters.

Many of the superficial, low information voters think a President has the power to control Taxes, the VA, Jobs, Border Control, build a Wall but he does not have that power. He only has the power to say Yes or No if the vote in Congress is close.

My bet is this is the zenith of Cruz's candidacy. The real contest from here on out will be between Trump and Rubio. I don't think it gets settled until super Tuesday in March. The rest should go home now but half won't.

Anyone know how Bob voting for the Superbowl?

Iowa is a very liberal state, so I'm not surprised that Rubio was 23% here. I think he also got a boost from Cruz's stupid mailing this last weekend. Cruz still winning despite that mailing actually surprises me.

But... it's Iowa. It really means nothing except to start weeding out the lowest folks that we've known weren't going anywhere.

Originally Posted by OutlawPatriot

FOX just said Cruz set a record for the most Iowa caucus votes in a primary.

Guys,
I know that all of us have our favorites, and we like to get on here and knock down all but our chosen candidate (I'm Cruz all the way) but we need to remember that whoever the nominee is, we have to unite behind that candidate and vote, or Hillary will win. That happens, we might as well kiss America, as it once was, goodbye! It's always gonna be picking the lessor of two evils!

I'll get excited when a candidate says we need to hang the despicable bastards in & out of office that will have our grandchildren paying taxes on interest on debt accrued in the last 50 years while they all became multi millionaires while "serving their country "

Until we get one of those type candidates I'll just hold my nose & vote for whomever will pick the least anti constitutional justices

Originally Posted by chlinstructor

Originally Posted by OutlawPatriot

The Liar and the Socialist separated by 0.2% now.

I wish Obama would beat that ugly ole witch! And Obama will be easier to defeat in the General Election, too.

Here, I changed it to read as it did in 2008 on the 'Fire.

Originally Posted by lastround

Guys,
I know that all of us have our favorites, and we like to get on here and knock down all but our chosen candidate (I'm Cruz all the way) but we need to remember that whoever the nominee is, we have to unite behind that candidate and vote, or Hillary will win.

Not for me: it's Trump or I join the ranks of the millions of White voters who did not vote for Mitt Romney in 2012. SCREW the establishment, I Will Not give the DeeCee crowd my vote under any circumstances.

Now we will see where all those small percentages migrate to
and who has the support of the big talking non-voting segment
Get down to three or four candidates and an idea of the real percentages

And the typical arguments that not voting somehow will register a protest against the status quo.
Looks like Hillary or Sanders is the next president by default.
It would bother me more to hear that "I won't vote unless ..." but most of them won't vote anyway.

Originally Posted by JBGQUICK

Now we will see where all those small percentages migrate to
and who has the support of the big talking non-voting segment
Get down to three or four candidates and an idea of the real percentages

That officially makes you irrelevant. Congratulations.

Last night's big loser was the media. THAT was not supposed to happen. We should all be happy about that.

Originally Posted by gonehuntin

Originally Posted by lastround

Guys,
I know that all of us have our favorites, and we like to get on here and knock down all but our chosen candidate (I'm Cruz all the way) but we need to remember that whoever the nominee is, we have to unite behind that candidate and vote, or Hillary will win.

Not for me: it's Trump or I join the ranks of the millions of White voters who did not vote for Mitt Romney in 2012. SCREW the establishment, I Will Not give the DeeCee crowd my vote under any circumstances.

You think Cruz is DC establishment? They despise him!

Originally Posted by DakotaDeer

Maybe Rubio is now the protest vote against Trump?

Rubio is the man to beat. Trump can't do it. Cruz can. A vote for Trump is a vote for Rubio.

And Fox is in Trump's pocket. Don't fall for for smoke and mirrors.

Originally Posted by ltppowell

Originally Posted by DakotaDeer

Maybe Rubio is now the protest vote against Trump?

Rubio is the man to beat. Trump can't do it. Cruz can. A vote for Trump is a vote for Rubio.

And Fox is in Trump's pocket. Don't fall for for smoke and mirrors.

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More like the complete opposite is true. Fox is and has always been in the tank for Rubio.

And we'll see how Trump can beat Rubio over the next two primaries. The issue will be if Cruz can come in the top 3 in NH and the top two in SC.

Cruz is reminding me of the Santorum 2012 race.

Originally Posted by gonehuntin

Originally Posted by lastround

Guys,
I know that all of us have our favorites, and we like to get on here and knock down all but our chosen candidate (I'm Cruz all the way) but we need to remember that whoever the nominee is, we have to unite behind that candidate and vote, or Hillary will win.

Not for me: it's Trump or I join the ranks of the millions of White voters who did not vote for Mitt Romney in 2012. SCREW the establishment, I Will Not give the DeeCee crowd my vote under any circumstances.

Yep, nothing like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Originally Posted by isaac

Cruz is reminding me of the Santorum 2012 race.

Lol...Romney claimed victory in Iowa for a week, stealing Santorums momentum after a Santorum won by a very small margin. Cruz won Iowa by almost as much as Obama beat McCain, and in a what, ten man race?

It's time for reality.

What a joke, Presidential voting comes down to [b][color:#3333FF]a coin flip[/color][/b] because Iowa can't count.

BTW, Hillary just happened to win every coin toss...

Originally Posted by ltppowell

Originally Posted by isaac

Cruz is reminding me of the Santorum 2012 race.

Lol...Romney claimed victory in Iowa for a week, stealing Santorums momentum after a Santorum won by a very small margin. Cruz won Iowa by almost as much as Obama beat McCain, and in a what, ten man race?

It's time for reality.

People keep saying Cruz can't win...

And he keeps winning elections.

This one comes immediately following one of the biggest smear campaigns in history.

Originally Posted by ltppowell

Originally Posted by DakotaDeer

Maybe Rubio is now the protest vote against Trump?

Rubio is the man to beat. Trump can't do it. Cruz can. A vote for Trump is a vote for Rubio.

And Fox is in Trump's pocket. Don't fall for for smoke and mirrors.

Oh my God.

This election is making you lose it.

Dave

Originally Posted by ltppowell

Originally Posted by isaac

Cruz is reminding me of the Santorum 2012 race.

Lol...Romney claimed victory in Iowa for a week, stealing Santorums momentum after a Santorum won by a very small margin. Cruz won Iowa by almost as much as Obama beat McCain, and in a what, ten man race?

It's time for reality.

What happened to the supposed greatest political move of all time...Trump and Cruz collaborating behind the scenes?

It's a three man race. Rubio's voters will go to Cruz, or Cruz's voters will go to Rubio. Trump will retain his 35%. A vote for Rubio is a vote for Rubio. A vote for Cruz is a vote for Cruz. A vote for Trump is a vote for Rubio.

Originally Posted by EthanEdwards

Originally Posted by ltppowell

Originally Posted by isaac

Cruz is reminding me of the Santorum 2012 race.

Lol...Romney claimed victory in Iowa for a week, stealing Santorums momentum after a Santorum won by a very small margin. Cruz won Iowa by almost as much as Obama beat McCain, and in a what, ten man race?

It's time for reality.

What happened to the supposed greatest political move of all time...Trump and Cruz collaborating behind the scenes?

They may be. All Trump would have had to do to win Iowa was close his mouth. His childish comments cost him and I don't think he's stupid.

Originally Posted by ltppowell

It's a three man race. Rubio's voters will go to Cruz, or Cruz's voters will go to Rubio. Trump will retain his 35%. A vote for Rubio is a vote for Rubio. A vote for Cruz is a vote for Cruz. A vote for Trump is a vote for Rubio.

I would think it more like this:
-a vote for Rubio is a vote for Rubio
-Cruz and Trump attract the same type of voter in the end, so whichever of those two drops first the other picks up the votes

Originally Posted by DakotaDeer

Originally Posted by ltppowell

It's a three man race. Rubio's voters will go to Cruz, or Cruz's voters will go to Rubio. Trump will retain his 35%. A vote for Rubio is a vote for Rubio. A vote for Cruz is a vote for Cruz. A vote for Trump is a vote for Rubio.

I would think it more like this:
-a vote for Rubio is a vote for Rubio
-Cruz and Trump attract the same type of voter in the end, so whichever of those two drops first the other picks up the votes

The only difference is that 60% of Republicans don't hate Cruz like they do Trump. I know Trump supporters don't like to hear that, but eventually they have to come to their senses.

Originally Posted by ltppowell

They may be. All Trump would have had to do to win Iowa was close his mouth. His childish comments cost him and I don't think he's stupid.

Certainly he's not stupid. He's narcissistic.

To me, Trump is the classic pathological liar. He will say anything to get what he wants, but many liars I have known are not content to just lie. They have to lie bigger and bigger and push the lies down people's throats. They want to be able to lie and have people know they're lying, but still agree with them because they either fear them so much or want to toady up to them so badly. They also get off on seeing people actually believe an obvious lie.

Originally Posted by ltppowell

Originally Posted by isaac

Cruz is reminding me of the Santorum 2012 race.

Lol...Romney claimed victory in Iowa for a week, stealing Santorums momentum after a Santorum won by a very small margin. Cruz won Iowa by almost as much as Obama beat McCain, and in a what, ten man race?

It's time for reality.

...and both Santorum and Huckabee were dead broke after Iowa.

I'm thinking, it's a Trump/Rubio race after Iowa, but NH will give us at least an inkling if Cruz can muster more support.

I also have to say this however: IF you are one of those who've posted "if X doesn't win the R nomination I'm staying home, not only are you an IDIOT, but you are an accessory after the fact in the crime of what is the destruction of this country.

It's great the Rafael won,still it's a long ways to go before this is over.

Originally Posted by elkhunternm

It's great the Rafael won,still it's a long ways to go before this is over.

Absolutely. Iowa is in the rear view mirror. If I were a betting man, I'd bet on Rubio. It depends on Trump and Cruz. If Trump stays in long enough, Rubio is a sure thing. If Cruz outlasts him, it will be a Rubio/Cruz battle.

Is Rafael pejorative term for Rubio?

Think it's going to be a Cruz and Rubio "fight" from here on out. We shall see, it's going to be interesting 2-3 months that's for sure.

Originally Posted by jorgeI

Is Rafael pejorative term for Rubio?

No,it's Ted Cruz's name. Saying it to piss off people.

As those establishment candidates with 2-5% start dropping like flies, Rubio will reap the harvest.

Carson and Paul's voters go to Cruz, as will Carson's.

Trump will stay flat-lined.

This race is between Cruz and Rubio now.

In the general election Trumpkins will stay home, and the revolution will begin shortly thereafter.

Nah...there are lots of sane Trump supporters. They'll come around, just hopefully not too late. There are always kooks that want to have plausible deniability, and they are the one's that don't vote.

The election is decided in a handful of states. Pay attention to the voters in those states.

Quote

Rubio is the man to beat. Trump can't do it. Cruz can. A vote for Trump is a vote for Rubio.

I've been trying to point that out for awhile.

Those who think the D C crowd will give up power easily are engaging in wishful thinking. They have never seen Trump as a real threat because of his high negative rating.

Unless Cruz can actually gather enough delegates to win the nomination outright, Rubio will be installed as the Nominee at the Convention.

Just look how many delegate votes the RNC has in its pocket going into the Convention and you'll see what a Hill Cruz has to climb.

Originally Posted by 4ager

The election is decided in a handful of states. Pay attention to the voters in those states.

Very true, but those States haven't had anybody to vote for in a long time. I'm not sure we can predict their future based on the last couple of elections.

Originally Posted by ltppowell

Originally Posted by 4ager

The election is decided in a handful of states. Pay attention to the voters in those states.

Very true, but those States haven't had anybody to vote for in a long time. I'm not sure we can predict their future based on the last couple of elections.

No disagreement there.

Neither Hitlery nor Sanders "fires up" the union or black vote bases in places like OH, PA, or MI. That alone is about the best we can hope for going into the general election. They don't even have to "cross over"; they just need to stay home.

An excellent article written by a University Professor on the topic at hand here.

http://m.newsok.com/article/5475578...ocial&utm_campaign=ShareBar-Facebook

Originally Posted by OSU_Sig

An excellent article written by a University Professor on the topic at hand here.

http://m.newsok.com/article/5475578...ocial&utm_campaign=ShareBar-Facebook

I apologize. This post was supposed to be on a different thread. Still a good read but isn't really connected to the title here.

I think Trump got outplayed on the ground. He didn't have the machine in place ready to roll the way that Cruz and Rubio did. That was a lack of experience on his part.

I also think someone should point out the faulty poll numbers that the media and polling agencies put out. If you can't get numbers to reflect within 8-10% of reality, then quit putting out numbers.

Bernie and Rubio steal the show in IA, imo.

Remember, there's still 49 more primaries. It's still early. I'm a Cruz guy, but I never believe it until I see it. Not to be a pessimist, but my guy always seems to lose.

Originally Posted by elkhunternm

It's great the Rafael won,still it's a long ways to go before this is over.

I don't know what it is with me and Rafael. I agree with everything he says but I just cannot LIKE him. He pegs my slime ball meter. Just has a Richard Nixon kind of vibe about him, and is about as inspiring as a concrete block.

That is totally illogical and unreasonable on my part but I just don't get that feel from any of the rest of them.

Originally Posted by davet

I also think someone should point out the faulty poll numbers that the media and polling agencies put out.

Those numbers aren't faulty, they're false. Polls are designed to shape an election by showing the sheep which way to go. It looks like smart people are catching on to the trick and voting their own conscience.

Originally Posted by 4ager

Originally Posted by dvdegeorge

Ethanol was a factor?

Isn't it always?

Nope. Never was. There are not all that many farmers votes in Iowa anymore. Mostly corporate. The only person it mattered to was Brandstad since his kid works for the ethanol cabal.

Originally Posted by ltppowell

Originally Posted by davet

I also think someone should point out the faulty poll numbers that the media and polling agencies put out.

Those numbers aren't faulty, they're false. Polls are designed to shape an election by showing the sheep which way to go. It looks like smart people are catching on to the trick and voting their own conscience.

Exactly!

Originally Posted by ltppowell

Originally Posted by davet

I also think someone should point out the faulty poll numbers that the media and polling agencies put out.

Those numbers aren't faulty, they're false. Polls are designed to shape an election by showing the sheep which way to go. It looks like smart people are catching on to the trick and voting their own conscience.

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The only difference is that 60% of Republicans don't hate Cruz like they do Trump. I know Trump supporters don't like to hear that, but eventually they have to come to their senses.

Descartes is rolling over in his grave.

Originally Posted by Bristoe

I can't believe that 22% of Republican voters in Iowa want amnesty for illegals.

Maybe the plan on hiring illegals to pick their corn.

Originally Posted by RickyD

Originally Posted by 4ager

Originally Posted by dvdegeorge

Ethanol was a factor?

Isn't it always?

Nope. Never was. There are not all that many farmers votes in Iowa anymore. Mostly corporate. The only person it mattered to was Brandstad since his kid works for the ethanol cabal.

Good job by ted on turning an ignoramus on the ethanol issue;

Originally Posted by jorgeI

I also have to say this however: IF you are one of those who've posted "if X doesn't win the R nomination I'm staying home, not only are you an IDIOT, but you are an accessory after the fact in the crime of what is the destruction of this country.

Amen......only a complete moron could think otherwise.

Originally Posted by RickyD

Originally Posted by 4ager

Originally Posted by dvdegeorge

Ethanol was a factor?

Isn't it always?

Nope. Never was. There are not all that many farmers votes in Iowa anymore. Mostly corporate. The only person it mattered to was Brandstad since his kid works for the ethanol cabal.

Exactly...

The difference between conservatives and liberals is that when a liberal drops out, all their support will go to the next in line. Conservatives whine and cry and stay home unless Mr. Perfect gets the nomination.

And the liberals keep winning.

Originally Posted by 496

It is up to Congress for border control. Not a President. The President just says Yes or No, if the votes are close in Congress.

It is up to Congress to build a wall. Not up to a President to build a wall.

Make sure Trump gets this message. He does not need to be president to make this country safe. great again.

Truly think trump would be more capable (in his element) of lobbying congress to do great things. If he has a viable plan to make this country great again by building a more effective wall for example. All the while using Mexico's money to build the wall. If he has a viable plan just sell it to congress under the wire not seeking any credit and let Cruse or Rubio sign off on this as well when they are President. If he really wants to make this country great again he does not need to wait until he is President to provide some real action to this end.

JMHO I could be wrong!