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Posted By: Bristoe Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/03/16
I would have assumed that everyone has gotten the word about Rubio and the gang of 8. But apparently not.

So here it is.

http://townhall.com/columnists/john...gofeight-amnesty-bill-n2095418/page/full

excerpt:

Back then, Rubio was talking very tough on immigration by necessity. Although Rubio is significantly more conservative than Crist, the conservative base would have never rallied to his side if he had supported amnesty; he would have lost in a landslide. In other words, Rubio’s anti-amnesty position was one of the central promises of his campaign. In fact, Rubio slammed Charlie Crist for being pro-amnesty and very specifically said he opposed giving illegal aliens citizenship. Back then, Marco Rubio sounded like Jeff Sessions on immigration,
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Unfortunately, even though Marco Rubio is only in the Senate today because he claimed to be in favor of securing the border and stopping amnesty, his position shifted 180 degrees and he became the front man for the Gang-of-Eight amnesty bill.
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Getting beyond the Gang-of-Eight bill, as late as June of this year, Marco Rubio was openly saying that he wanted to make illegal aliens citizens. However, today he tries to muddy the waters about the subject by merely saying he thinks illegal aliens should eventually be able to get green cards. Of course, people who have green cards are allowed to apply for citizenship; so it’s the same difference over the long haul.
O'boy
So if Rubio gets the nomination what are you gonna do B
Vote or stay home?
I absolutey, positively, without even a hint of a doubt will never cast a vote for Rubio,...at all, even.
Then you are part of the problem and a friend to Hillary
Want some cheese with that?

So you're willing to see the Supreme Court lose it's 4-4-1 split now and go to 5 or 6 flaming liberals because Rubio lied during a campaign?
The Rubios in the GOP are the problem.

If somebody is going to turn America into a 3rd world socialist chithole, they shouldn't be a Republican.

That's what Democrats are for.
Originally Posted by dvdegeorge
Then you are part of the problem and a friend to Hillary


Man's followin his conscience.

You sayin' he ain't got the right to do that, comrade?
I hope you both know how to smile while you eat your schit sandwich
Originally Posted by dvdegeorge
I hope you both know how to smile while you eat your schit sandwich


You is a brilliant, logical, conversationalist.

Seems you'd be more used to havin your ass handed to ya.
Originally Posted by Fubarski


Man's followin his conscience.



Well,...it's not so much to do with conscience. I just won't actively be a part of the destruction of America.

Rubio would be to America what Angela Merkle is to Germany.
Originally Posted by Bristoe
I absolutey, positively, without even a hint of a doubt will never cast a vote for Rubio,...at all, even.


Yeah!....know what you mean......I'll vote my trigger finger this time around, as usual.
Posted By: isaac Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/03/16
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Originally Posted by dvdegeorge
I hope you both know how to smile while you eat your schit sandwich


You is a brilliant, logical, conversationalist.

Seems you'd be more used to havin your ass handed to ya.

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You got the first sentence right. You'll find it difficult to acquaint yourself with a finer man.

As for Bristoe, he said he would not vote for Rubio. He did not say he wouldn't vote, at all.

If Bristoe chooses not to vote, he and I will have that demarcation line still between our respective positions.

But,we should first get through the primaries.
Question: Will you vote for Charles Manson if he's the GOP nominee?

Answer: I reckon not.

Then you're part of the problem!!!
Posted By: byc Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/03/16
On so many levels we are so screwed!!

Thanks!!
Originally Posted by Bristoe
I absolutey, positively, without even a hint of a doubt will never cast a vote for Rubio,...at all, even.

I'd vote for Rubio before I vote for Trump. At least I know he's never been for abortion, he never been for single payer healthcare, he never been for tighter gun control, he's never been buddies with the Clintons or Obama. And the biggest issue that you have with Rubio is immigration. Four years ago, Trump said JOHN NCCAIN and MITT ROMNEY were too harsh on immigration. I agree his immigration record sucks. But frankly, so has Trumps, on that issue and many others. Until of course he wanted to run for president. Then, he was born again.
I recall you've met the man, so I'll defer to your experience.

Unfortunately for me, I can only go by what's posted here, so I hope you'll excuse my abruptness.
If I felt the need to support Rubio, I'd just move to Tijuana and be done with it.
Originally Posted by Bristoe
I absolutey, positively, without even a hint of a doubt will never cast a vote for Rubio,...at all, even.


So in reality you are a Hillary/Bernie supporter!

Good to know.

republicans make it hard to be a republican
Originally Posted by Bristoe
republicans make it hard to be a republican


You can say that again.
Originally Posted by ltppowell
Originally Posted by Bristoe
republicans make it hard to be a republican

You can say that again.

grin
Originally Posted by Bristoe
I absolutey, positively, without even a hint of a doubt will never cast a vote for Rubio,...at all, even.


Ancient history. You need to get up to date. Listen to the interview with Hannity and Rubio today on talk radio. Better yet he will be on tonight.
Posted By: 4ager Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/03/16
Staying home and pouting doesn't defeat the Ds; and it damned near guarantees the Ds the next three SCOTUS selections.
Posted By: 4ager Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/03/16
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by Fubarski


Man's followin his conscience.



Well,...it's not so much to do with conscience. I just won't actively be a part of the destruction of America.

Rubio would be to America what Angela Merkle is to Germany.


If you think staying home isn't part and parcel of the same, then you're sadly and sorely mistaken.
Originally Posted by 4ager
Staying home and pouting doesn't defeat the Ds; and it damned near guarantees the Ds the next three SCOTUS selections.


You're obviously not enlightened.....
Posted By: byc Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/03/16
Originally Posted by Bristoe
If I felt the need to support Rubio, I'd just move to Tijuana and be done with it.


No you wouldn't. Been there and it sucks. I'd take Rubio over the donkeys.

Belize maybe!
Originally Posted by 4ager
Staying home and pouting doesn't defeat the Ds; and it damned near guarantees the Ds the next three SCOTUS selections.


I'm pretty sure it's a wash when it comes to certain types.
to even have a chance of keeping life as we know it,everyone had best get out and vote this time.
Posted By: byc Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/03/16
or move to Tijuana?
When sliding down a slope towards a 1000 foot cliff, the sane man scrambles to slow his fall or grab something to stop the slide towards certain doom until help arrives.

The insane man won't vote for anybody except his candidate.
Originally Posted by dvdegeorge
Then you are part of the problem and a friend to Hillary



100%

I don't particularly like Trump, but if he's the nominee I'll vote for him in November. The stay home and pout cuz your guy didn't win stance doesn't make sense to me. And I won't be persuaded Rubio in the White House is the same thing as Hillary..
Originally Posted by Bristoe
republicans make it hard to be a republican


Statement of the year if not the decade.
*shakin' head*

Every 4 years we have to go through this chit.

Them: Well!!,...are you ready to be the RNC's bitch yet?!!

Me: No

THEN YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM!!!!
Originally Posted by Bristoe
*shakin' head*

Every 4 years we have to go through this chit.

Them: Well!!,...are you ready to be the RNC's bitch yet?!!

Me: No

THEN YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM!!!!

Finally! Glad you see that you finally realize that you are part of the problem.

Work on that, will ya?

W's abuses, begat The Marxist Muslim.

Who begat Romnut, which the voters rejected.

Romnut and his rejection has begat Trump, and the "break the Rino establishments grip" Nativist fervor.

So those who decided not to vote, lit the fire and started the charring of the old order.

The midterms were supposed to be a mandate, but it only proved the non-voters instincts correct.

IMO.
Ann Coulter's probably going to give birth to an alien baby out of her chest over Rubio's challenge.
Posted By: tjk Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/03/16
Here we go again. R's pouting about their R not being enough, so don't vote. Then Hillary or (the Bern) get voted in and we cry more. If R's don't get our schit together this time, then maybe we deserve to be unfortunate. If we don't win this time around we're in for a long run of major BS.
It's a little known fact,...but Rubio is Bernie Sander's love child.
Originally Posted by Bristoe
It's a little known fact,...but Rubio is Bernie Sander's love child.

That's impossible Bristoe. Rubio's 44 and Bernie hasn't gotten it up in 45 years.
Harry Chapin wrote a song about it.

~~~A child arrived just the other day
Dad a Jewish commie, Mom a follower of Che~~~

I need to be gettin' a paycheck fer this chit.
Don't be part of the problem......vote Cruz.
Posted By: byc Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/03/16
Originally Posted by Bristoe
I need to be gettin' a paycheck fer this chit.


Well then feel the Bern! crazy
Posted By: byc Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/03/16
Santorum just went Rubio.

the fix is in boys.
Originally Posted by byc
Santorum just went Rubio.

the fix is in boys.

Maybe Rubio offered a VP slot.
Santorum just established himself as an RNC bitch.

I'm not surprised.
Originally Posted by OutlawPatriot
Originally Posted by byc
Santorum just went Rubio.

the fix is in boys.

Maybe Rubio offered a VP slot.

Rubio's already made an enemy out of everyone on the "main" stage so it makes sense he might have to go with someone like Santorum.
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Originally Posted by dvdegeorge
Then you are part of the problem and a friend to Hillary


Man's followin his conscience.

You sayin' he ain't got the right to do that, comrade?

A man who' s "Staying Home For Hillary" is as good as a communist, comrade.
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Harry Chapin wrote a song about it.

~~~A child arrived just the other day
Dad a Jewish commie, Mom a follower of Che~~~



Classic
Posted By: 4ager Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/03/16
Originally Posted by Steelhead
Originally Posted by 4ager
Staying home and pouting doesn't defeat the Ds; and it damned near guarantees the Ds the next three SCOTUS selections.


You're obviously not enlightened.....


If that means I'm not a drunk Kentuckian who has never put his ass in the line for anything other than the next bottle, then you're right.
Posted By: 4ager Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/03/16
Originally Posted by ltppowell
Originally Posted by 4ager
Staying home and pouting doesn't defeat the Ds; and it damned near guarantees the Ds the next three SCOTUS selections.


I'm pretty sure it's a wash when it comes to certain types.


Oh? Rubio v. Hitlery; choose.
No doubt about it---Rubio screwed the pooch on amnesty, BUT............

Whether Hillary or Bernie gets the nod for damn-nocrats their position on amnesty is every bit as bad as Rubio's and their position on damn near EVERYTHING else is FAR WORSE!

If it comes down to it I'll have to cast my vote for Rubio, but I pray for Cruz to carry the day! He ain't perfect but he's light years ahead of the rest.
Republicans--"You gotta eat our schidt sandwich rather than the Democrats' schidt sandwich 'cause it tastes slightly better, or else you're part of the problem!"
Originally Posted by MickeyD
No doubt about it---Rubio screwed the pooch on amnesty, BUT............

Whether Hillary or Bernie gets the nod for damn-nocrats their position on amnesty is every bit as bad as Rubio's and their position on damn near EVERYTHING else is FAR WORSE!

If it comes down to it I'll have to cast my vote for Rubio, but I pray for Cruz to carry the day! He ain't perfect but he's light years ahead of the rest.



In short you can have Mexicans and Guns, or just the Mexicans.


I'll take Mexicans and Guns.
Posted By: 4ager Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/03/16
Originally Posted by fburgtx
Republicans--"You gotta eat our schidt sandwich rather than the Democrats' schidt sandwich 'cause it tastes slightly better, or else you're part of the problem!"


So, is that a "stay home and pout", or an outright vote for Hitlery or Sanders?
Originally Posted by 4ager
Originally Posted by Steelhead
Originally Posted by 4ager
Staying home and pouting doesn't defeat the Ds; and it damned near guarantees the Ds the next three SCOTUS selections.


You're obviously not enlightened.....


If that means I'm not a drunk Kentuckian who has never put his ass in the line for anything other than the next bottle, then you're right.


lolol,...you're funny when you decide to take on that "holier than thou" routine you do.

You're a taxfeeder in D.C.

Somedays you choose one persona,..somedays you choose another,...on here.

But when the lights go off, you're a taxfeedin' lawyer in D.C.

Try to get over it before your time on earth is through.

Otherwise,..the realizations that arrive with old age are gonna be hard on ya.
Posted By: 4ager Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/03/16
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Originally Posted by 4ager
Originally Posted by Steelhead
Originally Posted by 4ager
Staying home and pouting doesn't defeat the Ds; and it damned near guarantees the Ds the next three SCOTUS selections.


You're obviously not enlightened.....


If that means I'm not a drunk Kentuckian who has never put his ass in the line for anything other than the next bottle, then you're right.


lolol,...you're funny when you decide to take on that "holier than thou" routine you do.

You're a taxfeeder in D.C.

Somedays you choose one persona,..somedays you choose another,...on here.

But when the lights go off, you're a taxfeedin' lawyer in D.C.

Try to get over it before your time on earth is through.

Otherwise,..the realizations that arrive with old age are gonna be hard on ya.


Not in DC. Never have been, other than to visit the Smithsonian. Other than a stint in the Marine Corps, never worked a job funded by tax dollars, either.

Simple fact is that you're a drunk Kentuckian that doesn't vote and has never stood up for a damned thing in his life. That's not an insult; simple fact.

Any man who thinks America died with the Whiskey Rebellion is only a spectator anyway. What do you care what happens?
mmm-hmmm,...
Originally Posted by tjm10025

Any man who thinks America died with the Whiskey Rebellion is only a spectator anyway. What do you care what happens?


Shalom to you too, Sheckey,....
Posted By: RDW Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/03/16
A bad republican can be replaced with a better republican...

...a piece of [bleep] cannot be replaced with a better piece of [bleep].

Originally Posted by Bristoe
The Rubios in the GOP are the problem.

If somebody is going to turn America into a 3rd world socialist chithole, they shouldn't be a Republican.

That's what Democrats are for.


Gotta admit I got a chuckle out of that.
Originally Posted by Bristoe
I absolutey, positively, without even a hint of a doubt will never cast a vote for Rubio,...at all, even.

Hillary Clinton supporter.
Posted By: 496 Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/03/16
Originally Posted by Bristoe
I absolutey, positively, without even a hint of a doubt will never cast a vote for Rubio,...at all, even.


Don't worry Rubio will not need your vote if he is nominated.
Wow I leave for a while and look what happens
If it wasn't so sad it would be a real hoot
Posted By: byc Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/03/16
This really is ALL your fault.

Invite me up and we can repent together. BUT make sure your lady invites other ladies. grin
I can arrange that!
Originally Posted by Talus_in_Arizona
Originally Posted by Bristoe
The Rubios in the GOP are the problem.

If somebody is going to turn America into a 3rd world socialist chithole, they shouldn't be a Republican.

That's what Democrats are for.


Gotta admit I got a chuckle out of that.


Bristoe is funny even when he's wrong. Not sayin' he's wrong on this deal.

As for me..... voting strictly to preserve the 2A makes for a simple political life.

With Rand gone, Rubio is obviously second, behind Cruz.

These guys made their reputations..... I just go by them.
Originally Posted by Bristoe
If I felt the need to support Rubio, I'd just move to Tijuana and be done with it.


Hey, mabey you and Alex Bawldwin could share a condo.
Posted By: byc Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/03/16
Not a big Rubio fan but.....

You know Rubio appears to be the only happy meal in this race right now.

He is the only only smiling and appearing to have fun right now.

This alone will win it for him.

I can hold my nose and vote for Rubio. But he hasn't done chit to merit the whitehouse. One term senator that rarely showed up for work. Can't open his mouth without rattling off a stump speech.
Posted By: KFWA Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/03/16
Originally Posted by RDW
A bad republican can be replaced with a better republican...




doesn't seem to be happening with GOP nominees
Just 'cause a fella has philosophical objections to a little pissant like Rubio doesn't mean he's a Hillary supporter. Might mean he's clever. Hillary might get assassinated ya know.

Anyway, if that's the choice I'm doing a write in for the dead cat.
Posted By: KFWA Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/03/16
Originally Posted by Bristoe
Question: Will you vote for Charles Manson if he's the GOP nominee?

Answer: I reckon not.

Then you're part of the problem!!!


while funny, that does bring up a good concept

is there a point where you won't vote for an "R" candidate over a democrat?

how about a guy that embezzled $3m dollars in a ponzi scheme before he went into office but he's strong on 2A?

how about someone convicted of manslaughter? raped a girl while he was in college?

the point is - everyone most likely has a cutoff to where they could not vote for a candidate as the Republican nominee


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while funny, that does bring up a good concept

is there a point where you won't vote for an "R" candidate over a democrat?

how about a guy that embezzled $3m dollars in a ponzi scheme before he went into office but he's strong on 2A?

how about someone convicted of manslaughter? raped a girl while he was in college?

the point is - everyone most likely has a cutoff to where they could not vote for a candidate as the Republican nominee


Which candidate did what you are saying? What if's are games children play.
Posted By: KFWA Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/04/16
I can see why you wouldn't want to get into those situations.

it would mean admitting there are limits on who you would support as the Republican candidate.
Posted By: RAS Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/04/16
Originally Posted by Bristoe
I absolutey, positively, without even a hint of a doubt will never cast a vote for Rubio,...at all, even.


I was very upset when he gave that speech IRT amnesty. He became one of the club so friggin quick, it was shocking, even for a RINO.

In this primary season, he is not even an option. During the general, I will vote for him if he is the nominee, but I will not be proud of it.

Posted By: prm Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/04/16
Why is it that "conservatives" are able to find one issue with a candidate they don't like and then conclude that candidate is unsuitable? Yes, I get there could be one issue, but when it's a matter of opinion on one policy, I don't see it. There is NO candidate that can meet every conservative voters desires never mind the desires of the rest of the citizens. Never has been, never will be. You have to have the ability to take in the entire record and their platform.

As for illegals, I'm certainly not for amnesty, but it's one issue. Quite frankly not everything he is proposing now is that terrible. The fact that he wants to improve the ability to verify and thus make it harder to function in society is a big positive in my book. There are many other issues, and when they are all factored in there will be one candidate that is better than the other in the election. At the end of the day it will be Rubio/Trump or Cruz OR Clinton or Sanders. One will be president, which do you want?
Originally Posted by KFWA
I can see why you wouldn't want to get into those situations.

it would mean admitting there are limits on who you would support as the Republican candidate.


No, what it means is that a "candidate" who is exposed to have done those things will not win the Repub nomination, so none of us will be faced with those what-ifs ahead of time.

If/when Rubio or Trump or Cruz is proven to have done one of those crimes, he will be thrown under the bus by the Repub process. This is pretty much the exact opposite of the Democrat process, in which illegality and avoidance of prosecution is seen as a politically savvy move.
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Why is it that "conservatives" are able to find one issue with a candidate they don't like and then conclude that candidate is unsuitable?


Or forgive the fact that Trump was a Democrat until he decided to run for President, but not forgive Rubio's amnesty stand. Not a Rubio fan by a long shot but my eyes are not blindfolded either. miles
Posted By: KFWA Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/04/16
Originally Posted by DakotaDeer
Originally Posted by KFWA
I can see why you wouldn't want to get into those situations.

it would mean admitting there are limits on who you would support as the Republican candidate.


No, what it means is that a "candidate" who is exposed to have done those things will not win the Repub nomination, so none of us will be faced with those what-ifs ahead of time.

If/when Rubio or Trump or Cruz is proven to have done one of those crimes, he will be thrown under the bus by the Repub process. This is pretty much the exact opposite of the Democrat process, in which illegality and avoidance of prosecution is seen as a politically savvy move.


another I'm not answering the questions answer
Posted By: KFWA Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/04/16
Originally Posted by milespatton
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Why is it that "conservatives" are able to find one issue with a candidate they don't like and then conclude that candidate is unsuitable?


Or forgive the fact that Trump was a Democrat until he decided to run for President, but not forgive Rubio's amnesty stand. Not a Rubio fan by a long shot but my eyes are not blindfolded either. miles


you miss the bigger picture

No one is saying Trump is a true conservative. He is just positioning himself as a hard liner on topics that true conservatives wouldn't touch because they are politicians first.

And before someone provides a laundry list of what Cruz been a hard liner on - there is no denying that Trump introduced hard stance policies into the conversation when none of the candidates was going to do it. He forced them to take stands - and in some cases tried to be more Trump than Trump in order to get people to pay attention to them again.
Bullshit. I've posted Cruz's "hard line" stances on the issues for four years.

You're just not a conservative. That's okay, but admit it. You'll feel better.
Posted By: KFWA Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/04/16
so that's the tactic today to support Cruz eh


let me make sure I'm clear on this - if you vote for Trump you're not a conservative

is that the stance, or is it nuanced to where if you don't think Cruz didn't take a hard line stance when he began running for president you're not a conservative.
It's a condensation. There is no other legitimate reason not to support Cruz.
Posted By: KFWA Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/04/16
I've already said multiple times the two candidates I will vote for are Trump and Cruz

but he's a horseshit politician - he has just worked hard from day one to position himself as the "outsider" who is inside Washington which I personally believe was intentional to be president.

A 1 term senator hasn't had time to establish anything other than a persona
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A 1 term senator hasn't had time to establish anything other than a persona.


And, due to the complicated parliamentary rues in the Senate, if he serves more than half a term he will have been forced into votes that can be used to discredit him in any quest for higher office.

Show me a multi term Senator going directly into the W H since JFK.

Then, go back prior to him.
Posted By: KFWA Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/04/16
Originally Posted by curdog4570
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A 1 term senator hasn't had time to establish anything other than a persona.


And, due to the complicated parliamentary rues in the Senate, if he serves more than half a term he will have been forced into votes that can be used to discredit him in any quest for higher office.

Show me a multi term Senator going directly into the W H since JFK.

Then, go back prior to him.


so he's following the path of Barak Obama.
Originally Posted by Bristoe
I absolutey, positively, without even a hint of a doubt will never cast a vote for Rubio,...at all, even.


It's primary season, so now's your chance to influence who the nominee will be. But if you can't get your guy nominated, take one for the team and vote for the nominee, even if it is Rubio. Anything else is a betrayal far greater than anything Rubio has done.
Originally Posted by There_Ya_Go
Originally Posted by Bristoe
I absolutey, positively, without even a hint of a doubt will never cast a vote for Rubio,...at all, even.


It's primary season, so now's your chance to influence who the nominee will be. But if you can't get your guy nominated, take one for the team and vote for the nominee, even if it is Rubio. Anything else is a betrayal far greater than anything Rubio has done.


The "team" is Hillary, Sanders, and Rubio.

Only Rubio has the ability to damage the GOP.
No, the team is those of us that want to keep our guns. Rubio would do less damage to the country than Sanders or Clinton. That's not debatable. Please reconsider your position, even if you don't acknowledge doing so here.
Posted By: jorgeI Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/04/16
So you have absolutely ZERO issues or concerns with Trump's past record on everything from anti-2A, to SP healthcare, and everything else, or is he the only one that gets a pass on changing his mind?
Posted By: 4ager Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/04/16
Bristoe and KWFA coming up with this election cycle's excuses to not vote at all.
We will all now pause to allow the republicans who have caused this stinkin' pile of chit to have their say.

If you need to go take a leak,....now is the time to do it.
Posted By: jorgeI Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/04/16
So no vote for Rubio at all, meaning you're ok with the whole SCOTUS issue? got it. Apparently, stupid's bone deep...
No Hillary vote,...no Sanders vote,...no Rubio vote.

That's correct.
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Republican presidential hopeful Marco Rubio on Thursday vaulted into second place in a daily tracking poll, but he still trails front-runner Donald Trump by double digits in the New Hampshire primary
Jehovah witness much? I despise queerbio but not even remotely as much as I loathe hilda and bunny. So if its queerbio then so be it, he gets my vote.
Originally Posted by Bristoe
I absolutey, positively, without even a hint of a doubt will never cast a vote for Rubio,...at all, even.


Nor anyone else...
Originally Posted by Strick9
Jehovah witness much? I despise queerbio but not even remotely as much as I loathe hilda and bunny. So if its queerbio then so be it, he gets my vote.


If nothing else, Obama has proven we can survive a queer POTUS.
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So no vote for Rubio at all, meaning you're ok with the whole SCOTUS issue? got it. Apparently, stupid's bone deep...


It looks like that's what he's saying jorge. We just have to pray there aren't too many voters that dim.

Trump sure isn't my first choice. He's said so many things that are offensive to me during his life. But of course I would vote for him over Hilary instead of sitting on my hands and pouting.
Just a thought. Saying that you will not vote for "so and so" because it is against your principles, does not mean that you actually have principles. miles
Posted By: jorgeI Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/05/16
Originally Posted by McInnis
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So no vote for Rubio at all, meaning you're ok with the whole SCOTUS issue? got it. Apparently, stupid's bone deep...


It looks like that's what he's saying jorge. We just have to pray there aren't too many voters that dim.

Trump sure isn't my first choice. He's said so many things that are offensive to me during his life. But of course I would vote for him over Hilary instead of sitting on my hands and pouting.


Oh, but there are. The last election proved that. BTW, just found out that Cruz is a Baptist. A Cuban Baptist? sounds fishy.. Might have to rethink...
Originally Posted by jorgeI


Oh, but there are. The last election proved that. BTW, just found out that Cruz is a Baptist. A Cuban Baptist? sounds fishy.. Might have to rethink...


That's because you're not a Cuban.

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The first Cuban Baptists were patriots who were exiled to the United States during the Ten Years' War (1868–1878). Some became Baptists while in the U. S., and later returned to Cuba. Exile Albert Díaz joined a church in New York City. He returned to Cuba in 1882, and organized an independent congregation at Havana in 1883. In 1885, he was ordained as a Baptist minister, and, in 1886, he led his church to become Baptist. Southern Baptists sent C. R. Daniel to oversee the work in 1901, and he was instrumental in organizing the Baptist Convention of Western Cuba in 1905.

Other Baptist organizations in Cuba are the Baptist Convention of Eastern Cuba or Convención Bautista de Cuba Oriental (org. 1905), the Free Will Baptist Convention of Cuba or Convención Bautista Libre de Cuba (org. 1943), and the Fraternity of Baptist Churches of Cuba or Fraternidad de Iglesias Bautistas de Cuba (org. 1989).

The Fraternity of Baptist Churches was started in 1989 by three churches expelled from the BCWC because of views related to politics, open communion and open baptism. A recent reconciliation between the Fraternity of Baptist Churches in Cuba and the Baptist Convention of Western Cuba led to the "Fraternity" becoming a member of the Baptist World Alliance, of which the Western Convention was already a member. Baptists in Cuba form one of the largest non-Catholic denominations on the island. Churches in Cuba are free to hold meetings in their church buildings or in homes, but not in public places.
Posted By: jorgeI Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/05/16
Originally Posted by ltppowell
Originally Posted by jorgeI


Oh, but there are. The last election proved that. BTW, just found out that Cruz is a Baptist. A Cuban Baptist? sounds fishy.. Might have to rethink...


That's because you're not a Cuban.

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The first Cuban Baptists were patriots who were exiled to the United States during the Ten Years' War (1868–1878). Some became Baptists while in the U. S., and later returned to Cuba. Exile Albert Díaz joined a church in New York City. He returned to Cuba in 1882, and organized an independent congregation at Havana in 1883. In 1885, he was ordained as a Baptist minister, and, in 1886, he led his church to become Baptist. Southern Baptists sent C. R. Daniel to oversee the work in 1901, and he was instrumental in organizing the Baptist Convention of Western Cuba in 1905.

Other Baptist organizations in Cuba are the Baptist Convention of Eastern Cuba or Convención Bautista de Cuba Oriental (org. 1905), the Free Will Baptist Convention of Cuba or Convención Bautista Libre de Cuba (org. 1943), and the Fraternity of Baptist Churches of Cuba or Fraternidad de Iglesias Bautistas de Cuba (org. 1989).

The Fraternity of Baptist Churches was started in 1989 by three churches expelled from the BCWC because of views related to politics, open communion and open baptism. A recent reconciliation between the Fraternity of Baptist Churches in Cuba and the Baptist Convention of Western Cuba led to the "Fraternity" becoming a member of the Baptist World Alliance, of which the Western Convention was already a member. Baptists in Cuba form one of the largest non-Catholic denominations on the island. Churches in Cuba are free to hold meetings in their church buildings or in homes, but not in public places.


*I* am not a Cuban???? that will be news to the white sheets crowd here. As to the Baptists, I truly never heard or met one. There were even Cuban Jews I'm told, but probably in the 95 plus percentile, Roman Catholics..
Technically, I don't think Cubans are people.




Dave
Posted By: rrroae Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/05/16
Interesting premise going around here that if you won't vote for a sleazy Republican, you are in affect supporting Democrats. Then there's the notion that a POS Republican will protect our gun and other rights with SC nominations. So, again, if you don't vote for whomever the GOP nomination is you are by extension supporting Hillary or Bernie Sanders.


Got me thinking,.....



Are those who voted and supported Bush actually responsible for giving us Obama for 8 years because Bush was such a lousy GOP president? Would we have Sotomayor and Kagan on on the Supreme Court today if conservatives had stuck to their principles and refused to support Bush?


Forward to today. If we put someone in like Cruz or Rubio, will their sleaziness lead us to an even more extreme liberal being president in 4 or 8 years from today? Will we blame Cruz or Rubio voters for giving us the first liberal transgender Syrian on the SC?







That 'cause and effect' theory sure can get a man thinking.





Posted By: jorgeI Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/05/16
I'm sorry, but that makes no sense. It is a FACT that a "no vote", particularly in a tight race, helps the opposite side one is protesting. Bush is also not a fair comparison in my opinion because of the 9/11 factor. Cruz and Rubio are on the record as being Conservative, especially Cruz (and that's not just me saying that).
They are FAR, FAR from ideal candidates for me, but the way I look at it, at least there is a CHANCE they will do the right thing, whilst a NO or protest vote for a Kook-Fringe candidate, assures a democrat will win.Lastly, just because Trump (a modicum of class??? really??) says they are sleazy doesn't make it so.
Rubio will do whatever his handlers tell him to do


"Are those who voted and supported Bush actually responsible for giving us Obama for 8 years because Bush was such a lousy GOP president? Would we have Sotomayor and Kagan on on the Supreme Court today if conservatives had stuck to their principles and refused to support Bush?

Forward to today. If we put someone in like Cruz or Rubio, will their sleaziness lead us to an even more extreme liberal being president in 4 or 8 years from today? Will we blame Cruz or Rubio voters for giving us the first liberal transgender Syrian on the SC?

That 'cause and effect' theory sure can get a man thinking."

I guess we would have been better off by now if Algore had won in 2000, or John-boy Kerry in '04? Come on, people.
People just want an out and an excuse
"I didn't vote for either they both sucked"
Those are the people who should shut their pie hole and discuss no politics, since they don't partake in the process,like infants they prefer to let the responsible adults make their choices
No decision is a decision, that it escapes many is amazing to me.
Posted By: rrroae Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/05/16
Originally Posted by There_Ya_Go
........

I guess we would have been better off by now if Algore had won in 2000, or John-boy Kerry in '04? Come on, people.




If we had Kerry, would we have had Romney instead of Obama? I would have taken that trade. Would you?
And if my aunt had nuts she'd be my uncle
All moot and conjecture
Posted By: rrroae Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/05/16
Originally Posted by dvdegeorge
And if my aunt had nuts she'd be my uncle
All moot and conjecture



I see it different.



Voting for a bad candidate can sometimes do more harm than good. Perhaps some will argue that but I have little doubt that if Bush hadn't been such a lousy president, we never would have seen Obama in office.


And yes I voted for Bush 2 so I'm just as complicit as anyone else.
Originally Posted by rrroae
Originally Posted by There_Ya_Go
........

I guess we would have been better off by now if Algore had won in 2000, or John-boy Kerry in '04? Come on, people.




If we had Kerry, would we have had Romney instead of Obama? I would have taken that trade. Would you?


You don't know that we wouldn't have had 8 years of Gore, then 8 years of Hillary. Just vote for the most conservative option you have and don't out-think yourself. Do you think the Dem's let Bush win so that it would set the stage for Obama? No, they fought it all the way to the Supreme Court. As Al Davis said, "Just win, baby!"
Posted By: rrroae Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/05/16
Originally Posted by There_Ya_Go
Originally Posted by rrroae
Originally Posted by There_Ya_Go
........

I guess we would have been better off by now if Algore had won in 2000, or John-boy Kerry in '04? Come on, people.




If we had Kerry, would we have had Romney instead of Obama? I would have taken that trade. Would you?


You don't know that we wouldn't have had 8 years of Gore, then 8 years of Hillary. Just vote for the most conservative option you have and don't out-think yourself. Do you think the Dem's let Bush win so that it would set the stage for Obama? No, they fought it all the way to the Supreme Court. As Al Davis said, "Just win, baby!"




After 8 years of Bush followed by 8 years of Obama, I'm in a middle finger kind of mood.



I'm holding out for something better.
Posted By: jorgeI Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/05/16
Originally Posted by rrroae
Originally Posted by dvdegeorge
And if my aunt had nuts she'd be my uncle
All moot and conjecture



I see it different.



Voting for a bad candidate can sometimes do more harm than good. Perhaps some will argue that but I have little doubt that if Bush hadn't been such a lousy president, we never would have seen Obama in office.


And yes I voted for Bush 2 so I'm just as complicit as anyone else.


A couple of points:
I don't think he was such a bad president. He was handed a schit sandwich with 9/11, and along with the likes of RP, did try and stop the mortgage train wreck which most agree, was the catalyst for the crash.

The media set out to vilify him from day one, and it's a pretty sure bet that as "bad" as you say GWB , Gore would have been better? The rest is pure conjecture. What remains a FACT, is a no or "protest" vote for a kook-candidate, helps the other side..
Posted By: 4ager Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/05/16
Rex,

Originally Posted by Teddy Roosevelt

In any moment of decision, the best thing you can do is the right thing, the next best thing is the wrong thing, and the worst thing you can do is nothing.


Virginia is a battleground state. There will be an R nominee opposing Hitlery or Sanders. Choose wisely.
Posted By: rrroae Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/05/16
Originally Posted by jorgeI

A couple of points:
I don't think he was such a bad president. He was handed a schit sandwich with 9/11, and along with the likes of RP, did try and stop the mortgage train wreck which most agree, was the catalyst for the crash.

The media set out to vilify him from day one, and it's a pretty sure bet that as "bad" as you say GWB , Gore would have been better? The rest is pure conjecture. What remains a FACT, is a no or "protest" vote for a kook-candidate, helps the other side..



A president who doubles our national debt, pushes for amnesty for illegals(twice), attacks the wrong country and then proceeds to spend hundreds of billions to rebuild for them(instead of taking their oil) and tries to sell our ports to terrorist middle east countries is not someone I hold any admiration for. He's about 2 pegs below Obama on the schitt chart.

Like I said, I'm holding out for something better.
Failed logic
You only have 2 choices and not voting isn't one of them
You are just letting someone else pick your poison ,but drink you will regardless
Posted By: jorgeI Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/05/16
He was for total amnesty? As to the wrong country, let's just agree to disagree. With you 100 % on the nation building-taking their oil deal..
Posted By: rrroae Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/05/16
Originally Posted by jorgeI
He was for total amnesty? ......




Yes.


And he tried 2 different times to push it thru. Some of us won't forget or forgive.



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Bush Amnesty Plan Raises Immigration Concerns
Published January 08, 2004 FoxNews.com
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The massive new immigration initiative unveiled by the White House has Democrats and ethnic identity organizations accusing Republicans of election-year pandering, and has the Republican base wondering whether George W. Bush and the Republican Party has sold them out.

The initiative, which draws heavily on legislation already introduced in Congress by three Arizona Republicans, Sen. John McCain and Rep. Jeff Flake and Rep. Jim Kolbe, has two central components. It would provide a mechanism by which some U.S. businesses would be able to import an unlimited number of low-wage foreign workers, and it would allow most of the roughly 10 million illegal aliens already in the United States a means by which they (and their extended families) would be able to remain legally -- and permanently -- in the United States.

Advocates of strong enforcement of U.S. immigration laws charge that the new Bush plan is really a massive new amnesty for illegal aliens, in spite of repeated Bush administration assurances to the contrary. The administration, and the Republican sponsors of the parallel McCain-Kolbe-Flake plan (search) on Capitol Hill, claim that their plans are not really amnesties because they require illegal aliens to pay a small fee and wait a short time before they can receive their legal permanent status.

However, critics argue that any plan that allows, as the new Bush plan does, illegal aliens to remain legally and permanently in the United States without having to return to their home countries and apply to enter the United States legally like everyone else, is, in fact, an amnesty.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/2004/01/08/bush-amnesty-plan-raises-immigration-concerns.html
Posted By: rrroae Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/05/16
He really was a stupid sob.
Posted By: rrroae Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/05/16
2nd go around.


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The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 — its full name was Secure Borders, Economic Opportunity and Immigration Reform Act of 2007 (S. 1348) — was a bill discussed in the 110th United States Congress that would have provided legal status and a path to citizenship for the approximately 12 million illegal immigrants residing in the United States.



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The bill was a compromise based largely on three previous failed immigration reform bills:

The Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act (S. 1033), a bill proposed in May 2005 by Senators Ted Kennedy and John McCain, sometimes referred to as the "McCain-Kennedy or McKennedy Bill."
The Comprehensive Enforcement and Immigration Reform Act of 2005 (S. 1438), a bill proposed in July 2005 by Senators John Cornyn and Jon Kyl, sometimes referred to as the "Cornyn-Kyl Bill."
The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006 (S. 2611), sponsored by Senator Arlen Specter, which was passed in the Senate in May 2006 but never passed in the House.

The bill's sole sponsor in the Senate was Majority Leader Harry Reid,
though it was crafted in large part as a result of efforts by Senators Kennedy, McCain and Kyl, along with Senator Lindsey Graham, and input from President George W. Bush, who strongly supported the bill.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_Immigration_Reform_Act_of_2007
Posted By: jorgeI Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/05/16
I was totally against that plan. Thankfully, it died on the vine. That said, I'm still waiting for a workable resolution to the issue, but to your original hypothesis, one really can't prove a negative and what I portend remains factual
Rubio's not my guy, but there's no way Trump can beat him. Immigration is just not that important to most people. I realize it's very important to some, but not most. That's a fact that can't be ignored.
Posted By: rrroae Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/05/16
We sees things differently.


Doesn't make me like you any more or less because we don't agree on politics. In fact if we ever got together I'm quite certain the last thing we'd ever talk about would be politics.
Posted By: jorgeI Re: Rubio's deal with the devil - 02/05/16
That's ok, but my position on the no vote is not an opinion but a factual statement.
Originally Posted by ltppowell
Immigration is just not that important to most people.


Maybe where you live, Lt. Not in my hood. It's P1 for a lot of these Spaneesh here. Many of them couldn't care less about the big picture. Hell, they don't even want to know what the big picture is.
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by ltppowell
Immigration is just not that important to most people.


Maybe where you live, Lt. Not in my hood. It's P1 for a lot of these Spaneesh here. Many of them couldn't care less about the big picture. Hell, they don't even want to know what the big picture is.


I'm sure the importance of the immigration issue varies from area to area. It's important to me because I believe that unrestricted immigration will drive a lot of other negative changes to our country. But most recent polls show it near the bottom of the list with Republican primary voters.
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