Through divine intervention, I have seen the light. Watching the Hildabeast right now after her giant ass kicking. What a friggin freakshow.

I will hold my nose and vote for Cruz, if I must...

I hope you get the opportunity, but question if we will be that fortunate.

Good man. I will vote against the dems no matter who is on my ballot.

I've yet to vote for a candidate. Unless Trump gets the nod I'll have to vote against the democrats once again.

Good man. Next time you are in my neck of the woods, we should go fishing.

I couldn't hold my nose long enough to vote for Cruz or Trump. Like Lindsey Graham said, shot or poisoned. Kasich is the only adult on the Republican side. I'll be voting for Bernie or Hilary.

Same here. Did that the last two elections.

I'm selling nose plugs. Get 'em now, the prices is going up in a few months.

I wish someday you would enlighten us on how Bernie or Hilary will make the world a better place.

It'd be funny

Like the ffucking idiot you are!

Piddler is nothing more than an anti-gun, pro-abortion/murder lieberal. Unless he posts the truth, which is very hard, if not impossible, for lieberals, nothing he posts should be taken seriously.

We have men on this board that would not relinquish their weapons...period. Piddler is the type that would tell BATFE where your guns were if you made the mistake of telling him.

That's what it all boils down to. I'd be okay with either Trump or Cruz, but the more important part is that I'm voting AGAINST whichever dem gets the nomination. The general election decision is easy.

I hope Sanders gets the democratic nomination because I think he'll be easier to beat in the general election. I don't think there's any way the country will elect an avowed socialist to the presidency, but then again I didn't think we'd elect Obama either. In any case, Sanders is doing a lot of damage to Hillary right now and that's a good thing, it's good to see that demonic witch coming unglued.

You, and those like you, and all the illegals should be deported.

WGAF how you vote, you think the world will stop turning? Do you think the 24hr posters will break out in tears ? Somewhere along the way you forgot the meaning of right and wrong, poor parenting is my best guess.

Me too, but if our candidate is not a conservative, it won't matter.

You're in UT. It won't matter who you vote for, the R nominee gets all those Electoral College votes. You are, in a nutshell, meaningless.

Likewise.

Yep.

What a surprise..

Nut being the key word in that statement

I will hold my nose and vote for Cruz, if I must...
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It's not a repentance;it's common sense.

If Cruz secured the nomination,I wouldn't be holding my nose whatsoever to cast my vote for him. It would be much like a current day Nixon race but with a nation's current demographics, including the once unthinkable prospect that "socialism" could ever be considered an option by any somewhat educated and employed voter over the age of 30.

If I owned this forum...I would kick your ASS off so fast it would make your head swim.....[bleep] worthless piece of chit!!!!

Seeing as how about 1/3 of the voters are employed, 23 million people under 30 voted in 2012 and more than a few are stupid...it doesn't bode well.

No need to get all lathered up over piddler that's all he's here for is to get your gander up

Wow....you guys deserve what you get.

Yep. He's politically and socially emasculated in UT. His patient reviews label him a pervert, he is an outcast (not Mormon, ultra-leftist) in his home state, and his political views are irrelevant there - as is his vote in UT. As the U.S. swings further toward fully embracing the 2A, and PERHAPS away from abject socialism, he's even more marginalized and inconsequential. All he has left is trolling here.

I don't know why anybody would ever read anything that douchebag writes. Put him on ignore.

Trump will select Kasich as VP to carry ohio.

I think clinton does not have full democrat enthusiasm. Certainly the party wants her, but voters don't. Her rallies are super small, showing lack of base support and absolutely no independents.

Hopefully moderates and independents will swing anti-establishment - anti-corruption. I doubt the middle will vote socialist, so sanders seems like a wet dream to commies. Cruz is too polarizing for the middle, and he really gets the democratic base to the poles. Sanders VS Cruz would be interesting. That would be a real hard choice for independents. Funny because sanders was set up as a nonviable choice against clinton, and she sucks so bad, he is becoming an option. clinton will bow out "due to illness" when the republicans get ready to release other skeletons in her closet. Goofy Biden will step in, but independents will run from him. So Trump/Kasich looks to be a good bet. As always it looks like a race of who sucks the least.

Too bad someone doesn't hold his nose - until he stops breathing!

Democrats will get their votes. They do it for a living. The "winning middle" is a myth that doesn't exist in a general election. Nominate another liberal republican and watch what happens.

Hint...the same thing that always happens.

For that matter, even IF history was proven wrong, liberal Republicans in office will result in what?

The "winning middle" is a myth that doesn't exist in a general election.
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Pure HS!

Who did it work for? McCain? Romney?

They didn't win the middle at all. Romney was kneecapped from the get-go, and McLame ran the worst campaign in modern history.

If I can ask, does ANYONE have the actual numbers (not percentages) from NH last night for ALL candidates? I can't find them.

Trump k
92,820 35.1%


John

Kasich
42,021 15.9%


Ted

Cruz
30,539 11.6%


Jeb

Bush
29,290 11.1%


Marco

Rubio
27,853 10.5%


Chris

Christie
19,880 7.5%


Carly

Fiorina
11,033 4.2%

RESULTS: 11:09 p.m. Feb. 9, 2016

73 percent reporting

REPUBLICANS

Donald Trump: 69,459

John Kasich: 32,646

Ted Cruz: 23,118

Jeb Bush: 22,480

Marco Rubio: 21,051

Chris Christe: 15,316

Carly Fiorina: 8,607

Ben Carson: 4,617

Write-ins: 1,380

Rand Paul: 1,335

DEMOCRATS

73 percent reporting

Bernie Sanders: 102,651

Hillary Clinton: 66,588

Write-ins: 1,579

Martin O’Malley: 417

Vermin Supreme: 181

Dont feed the trolls...

Paddler, "“It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.”

Thanks, but that's half of a story.

Exit polls say they did.

That's because aside from being an incompetent, groping quack, you're also a traitor to the American way of life.

I dont think a liberal republican will win the independents. I think independents will shun career politicians. Trump won the independent vote in NH by a long shot. Trump did not invest a great deal of money or time in NH, yet the middle voted for him. Independents had a choice in NH of voting democrat or republican, and they went Trump. Trump lost the republican vote to Kasich, because Kasich put 10X the effort. Kasich does not bring anything to the plate except he will carry ohio. I can't say I like Trump, but in my opinion he is the most electable candidate on either side. Trump owned the middle in NH and I think that wins the general election.

No surprise there. Glad I don't know you. Hope to never meet you.
You must be solid bone from ear to ear...

Examples?

Sanders, Bernie Dem 142,041 60%
Clinton, Hillary Dem 90,678 38%

I think most guys with a conservative outlook abhor political posturing and tactics. Still, there is no man alive that will obtain the white house without using both to good effect.

Sounds like most of us are effectively on the same page.

Short bus riders get to vote just like everyone else!

Obama had the excitement and momentum behind him with McCain, and also turned out the vote in a big way against Romney. McCain's only excitement on his side of the ticket was Palin. Romney had no excitement behind his campaign at all.

If you don't go with the guy who has the excitement and momentum, then you're backing a candidate that can't get out the vote in large numbers. That is why independents and conservatives didn't show up for the R's in '08 and '12. Not a doctrine issue as much as a momentum issue. With no excitement, the voters stay home.

Independents did. Conservatives didn't. They do that when there are no conservatives representing them on the ballet. It is (almost) inconceivable that Republicans do the same thing repetitively and expect different results.

So 1 million conservatives stayed home in Michigan in 2008? 2 million in NY? 300K in Oregon? 3 million in California? 800K in New Jersey? 120K in ME?

Sad but true.

Liberals have traditionally (it's changing) stayed home in red states, knowing they were going to lose. Conservatives don't do that in blue states?

http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2012/

http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/how-groups-voted/how-groups-voted-2008/

I'm shocked that 11k people voted for Fiorina.

I never said Conservatives didn't stay home in blue states, I'm saying there ain't 2 million conservatives in NY or 1 million in MI or 3 million in California etc to even the vote.

I am no more confident that our country wants to be saved than you are. Less so, every day.

When Obama wins by 2 million votes in NY state, I don't know how you overcome that hump. As I've said all along, a conservative Yankee is what we call a liberal.

Well, you can always type independent vote in NH on the google bar. Here is a quote and one link. Google has more. Kasich outspent Trump 4:1 and won the core republican vote percentage. Trump won independents.
"Exit polls suggest Trump was aided in large part in the state by independents. They showed 36 percent of the state’s influential independents were backing Trump, leading the field among that bloc."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-trump-sanders-seek-first-2016-wins.html

The republicans also got a higher percentage to the poles as compared to democrats.
Anyway I personally look at the results, not my personal view as absolute truth. Seems like the writing is on the wall.

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When one makes a case out of desperation, you throw anything you can out there hoping for the possibility of a connect.

Stupid is as stupid does.
Paul B.

Did it really take you 22 words to say that?

To Steelhead's point on where R's gain states, Trump can turn that NY vote more to the R side than anybody. Trump is also the only one in the race who could turn out a possible win in New Jersey, of all places, and could probably beat Christie there in his own state. RI is small, but again in the discussion when Trump is involved. Connecticut maybe there too. I could see Trump being strong in Michigan, and he flat walks away with Florida even with a former Governor and sitting Senator in the race. Being able to chip away at Dem stronghold states is a big advantage even if they are little states with smaller EC votes.

When you look at the Electoral College votes, and what states it takes to win, Cruz leaves the R's unable to complete the task.

Nominating people because we hope they can make liberals vote for them is the reason we are in the shape we are in. Win or lose, we lose.

No, we are in the shape we are in because there aren't enough conservative individuals, period.

Did it really take you 22 words to say that?
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As opposed to 30 threads, yes.

I love you Bob.

You probably won't have to, but I'm glad to see you changed your mind...

Since I'm still extolling the virtues of Cruz vs. the rest of the herd, I can sympathize with your feelings after the Iowa caucus...

Sadly, this is true. Demographics are against us and it's not getting any better.

There are more conservatives (libertarians) than people think. They just have nowhere to go. Both parties want more power and that is contrary to conservatism.

This election should be about the constitution. So much of the dems rules and regs are taking away our freedoms.

That is, in fact, the forest that people can't see.

DEMOCRATS

73 percent reporting

Bernie Sanders: 102,651

Hillary Clinton: 66,588

Write-ins: 1,579

Martin O’Malley: 417

Vermin Supreme: 181
Isn't this Hillary's alias??????