Any Republican will get my vote. The reason Obama is the President today is because people like you stayed home. True, Romney wasn't a good choice and ran a bad campaign, but he would have been 1000 times better than what we have now. If enough of you stay home Hillary is in.
While I truly hope that does not happen, there is no way I am going to help Hillary get into the WH, by not voting. It will be the end of the party but whomever is elected will be better than her. Regardless of how they get on the ballot. We are truly in sad times.
No, because that would mean a hijacking of the nomination process by the establishment had occurred. That's criminal and despotic. Can't support criminal and despotic actions, as it lends apparent legitimacy to them.
It would be a repeat of 2012 where millions of republican voters stay home and the independents, Democrats that are voting for Trump now would vote for Hillary.
No. If they do that they deserve to collapse, and hopefully we can pick up the pieces somehow.
There would never be a recovery. We ran Goldwater in 1964 and got the Great Society; it's still with us. The Trump fiasco is similar in many respects. The big difference is that Goldwater was principled and intelligent, two characteristics not found in the present front-runner.
Running Trump against Clinton, or hand-sitting like brats will burn down the house to kill some rats in the walls.
There comes a point when the Party no longer represents you. Every election cycle, there will always be some excuse for voting against the other guy. As long as we keep holding ourselves hostage to this fact, the GOP will continue to deteriorate until it no longer matters. For me, I am there now after holding my nose for decades and voting for increasingly crappy candidates "for the team". The trend is clear, your options have been big government Republican or bigger government Democrat. We are on the verge of there being no difference.
No. If they do that they deserve to collapse, and hopefully we can pick up the pieces somehow.
There would never be a recovery. We ran Goldwater in 1964 and got the Great Society; it's still with us. The Trump fiasco is similar in many respects. The big difference is that Goldwater was principled and intelligent, two characteristics not found in the present front-runner.
Running Trump against Clinton, or hand-sitting like brats will burn down the house to kill some rats in the walls.
Any Republican will get my vote. The reason Obama is the President today is because people like you stayed home. True, Romney wasn't a good choice and ran a bad campaign, but he would have been 1000 times better than what we have now. If enough of you stay home Hillary is in.
what he said
for SC justice appointments, I'd vote for Mitch McConnel and have to hold my nose and have an airsick bag for ABC
There comes a point when the Party no longer represents you. Every election cycle, there will always be some excuse for voting against the other guy. As long as we keep holding ourselves hostage to this fact, the GOP will continue to deteriorate until it no longer matters. For me, I am there now after holding my nose for decades and voting for increasingly crappy candidates "for the team". The trend is clear, your options have been big government Republican or bigger government Democrat. We are on the verge of there being no difference.
and that too is true
about the only option for anyone that truly desires freedom is you're going to have be quasi comfortable that in the eyes of gov't you're an outlaw.
There comes a point when the Party no longer represents you. Every election cycle, there will always be some excuse for voting against the other guy. As long as we keep holding ourselves hostage to this fact, the GOP will continue to deteriorate until it no longer matters. For me, I am there now after holding my nose for decades and voting for increasingly crappy candidates "for the team". The trend is clear, your options have been big government Republican or bigger government Democrat. We are on the verge of there being no difference.
and that too is true
about the only option for anyone that truly desires freedom is you're going to have be quasi comfortable that in the eyes of gov't you're an outlaw.
It's becoming increasingly clear that the hard left is looking for a socialist revolution. If we don't counter that movement with conservatism, all this discussion is moot.
If and when they try to high jack the nominee , there will be a split of the parties. Donald will run a third party ticket . The Rinos will finish third and Blame Trump, and Hillary will win by default. That's when the fun begins.....
Trump will just make a deal with Kasich for his last 100 delegates at the convention and we'll have a Democrat Lite ticket. That's why Kasich is staying in.
Just let the MF burn. Y'know how everything turns greener after a wildfire? Well, the current political terrain is full of noxious weeds, poisonous corrupt liars and thorny, impenetrable brush.
See what grows back, 'cause this crop is choking out anything even close to good.
No , I'll vote Trump running as an independent. If they screw him at the convention then he'd run independent for sure. If he didn't I'd struggle to get to the voting booth. If Hillary is elected there is the real possibility of revolution.
We don't live in the world we would like to live in. We live in the world that we are actually in. With that said, it looks like it's Hillary or anybody else. I'll take anybody else.
No. In fact, I would probably vote for Hillary. All the GOP candidates had their chance and the people have spoken -it was fair and square. The fact that the GOP may be able to nominate a different candidate due to the way the process works is of no consequence to me - they know who the majority of republicans want running against Hillary. If they attempt to run someone else they will get pounded worse than they did in the last election.
No , I'll vote Trump running as an independent. If they screw him at the convention then he'd run independent for sure. If he didn't I'd struggle to get to the voting booth. If Hillary is elected there is the real possibility of revolution.
No there wouldn't. Most Americans of both parties are far too comfortable and well off. It takes the great masses in abject poverty and desperation to foment a revolution.
Anyone wanting Americans killing Americans is a nut job and delusional. The world is now too small and too dangerous for us to survive a revolution as a nation.
Hell no. I would hope that whichever, Trump or Cruz that has the most delegates would run third party, or stump a write in vote advertisement, and end up winning the election. They would get my vote. One of the very few ways that I would vote 3rd party. miles
Any Republican will get my vote. The reason Obama is the President today is because people like you stayed home. True, Romney wasn't a good choice and ran a bad campaign, but he would have been 1000 times better than what we have now. If enough of you stay home Hillary is in.
i didn't stay home. O became president because the GOP plays games to keep the establishment in power.
a study by the GOP after Romney's loss in 2012 concluded that the GOP should not pick the candidate, BUT , they should let the voter pick the candidate.
I have heard it said we get the government we deserve, and right now, I am shuddering under rank liberal fool in Canada. I guess we deserve it.
As a close neighbour with family in the USA it scares the spit outta me what might happen South of the 49th parallel. You guys need a conservative government for a lot of countries' sakes!
If and when they try to high jack the nominee , there will be a split of the parties. Donald will run a third party ticket . The Rinos will finish third and Blame Trump, and Hillary will win by default. That's when the fun begins.....
i would suggest that if that happens, the GOP would be to blame,
Any Republican will get my vote. The reason Obama is the President today is because people like you stayed home. True, Romney wasn't a good choice and ran a bad campaign, but he would have been 1000 times better than what we have now. If enough of you stay home Hillary is in.
what he said
for SC justice appointments, I'd vote for Mitch McConnel and have to hold my nose and have an airsick bag for ABC
No , I'll vote Trump running as an independent. If they screw him at the convention then he'd run independent for sure. If he didn't I'd struggle to get to the voting booth. If Hillary is elected there is the real possibility of revolution.
No there wouldn't. Most Americans of both parties are far too comfortable and well off. It takes the great masses in abject poverty and desperation to foment a revolution.
Anyone wanting Americans killing Americans is a nut job and delusional. The world is now too small and too dangerous for us to survive a revolution as a nation.
Who I voted for would have absolutely no effect if they pulled that stunt. Rs would stay away in huge numbers and moot the whole question. Rs cannot win without Trump.
Brokered = Burn It Down. Will be the end of the GOP.
I don't mind a brokered convention but if they "install" a candidate none of us voted for, that's BS.
Wouldn't it be "installing" a candidate if anyone but the guy who got the most votes during the primary election process gets the nomination?
Not when the rule clearly states that you must get a minimum to confirm a nomination. Plus things change over the course of the primary process. People change their minds after casting a vote, so if no one gets the minimum, I have no problem with a process where the most current assessment of where the delegates stand is evaluated. But putting in someone who hasn't even participated in the process is crap.
Not when the rule clearly states that you must get a minimum to confirm a nomination. Plus things change over the course of the primary process. People change their minds after casting a vote, so if no one gets the minimum, I have no problem with a process where the most current assessment of where the delegates stand is evaluated. But putting in someone who hasn't even participated in the process is crap.
Just because there's a rule doesn't necessarily make it OK. It goes to the heart of representative government that registered voters get to pick the candidates. Anything else amounts to a ruling oligarchy that merely maintains a facade of representative government.
Not when the rule clearly states that you must get a minimum to confirm a nomination. Plus things change over the course of the primary process. People change their minds after casting a vote, so if no one gets the minimum, I have no problem with a process where the most current assessment of where the delegates stand is evaluated. But putting in someone who hasn't even participated in the process is crap.
Just because there's a rule doesn't necessarily make it OK. It goes to the heart of representative government that registered voters get to pick the candidates.
Let's say you have this scenario, not prognosticating here... A candidate gets more votes than another candidate during the primary process. And before the convention where the official delegate count happens, some story comes out or the person does or says something that completely changes the voters' opinion of that candidate. They have the ability to cast a different vote. That's why there is some flexibility built into the process. In that case, I would expect the delegates to look at each person's accumulated delegates and evaluate the will of the people currently. So, with that logic, I really only see the possibility of either the 1st or 2nd place guy getting the final delegates. So with that said, if Trump's support is as strong or stronger at the convention than it is today, he should have nothing to worry about. If his support has weakened amongst the delegates since they originally pledged support, he may not get the final vote. But the idea of a distant 3rd place guy or someone who hasn't even been running being "installed" by the GOP is passing the threshold of flexibility and in the realm of dishonor.
so all of you who said no would rather see clinton? i'm no fan of that watery eyed rino ryan but fer fuggs sake he's a damn sight better than clintoid.
Not really. The reality on the ground changes over time. The official votes are not cast until the convention. Voter loyalty to one candidate can change dramatically over the course of a 4 month primary voting season. Candidates drop out along the way, the people who voted for those candidates may have chosen a different person if they knew that candidate was going to drop out. That's reality. In this case, no one can argue that if we had a one-on-one race between Trump and Cruz the whole time, things would be a lot different right now. Maybe Cruz would be ahead. Maybe Trump would be even farther ahead- who knows. But the reality on the ground changes and the final support of the delegates will be determined at the convention. How ever it goes, it goes. But I think the idea of them picking someone that nobody has voted for is outside the intentions of the system and not fair. If we had a straight ballot vote across the nation, in one day, with no delegates involved, you would be correct. But that not the system we have.
Bitch about the Republican establishment if you want. Agreed, it's a long way from perfect. But...it's far better than the Democratic establishment. I'm not interested in throwing the baby out with the bath water.
The first responsibility, actually the only responsibility, of the political parties/politicians is to represent the best interests of their donor/bosses.
Donor interests are the same for both parties...both parties are on the payroll.
Bitch about the Republican establishment if you want. Agreed, it's a long way from perfect. But...it's far better than the Democratic establishment. I'm not interested in throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Ultimately, it's the same establishment. They're just two branches of it, like different "families" in the New York Mafia. The Corleones might do things a little differently than the Tattaglias, and occasionally they "go to war" with one another, but they're all part of the same Mafia.
Bitch about the Republican establishment if you want. Agreed, it's a long way from perfect. But...it's far better than the Democratic establishment. I'm not interested in throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Ultimately, it's the same establishment. They're just two branches of it.
I can't believe some people still don't understand that yet.
Bitch about the Republican establishment if you want. Agreed, it's a long way from perfect. But...it's far better than the Democratic establishment. I'm not interested in throwing the baby out with the bath water.
Ultimately, it's the same establishment. They're just two branches of it. Like different "families" in the New Jersey Mafia. The Corleones might do things a little differently than The Tattaglias, but their all part of the same Mafia.
Harlem Globetrotters and the Washington Generals. They rode the same bus. Even Rush is saying that now.
Right you are good fellow. I look at Trump as a populist candidate that could at least get a RINO in office hopefully with a charismatic conservative as VP. After dealing with Congress and a media turned against him for 4 years hopefully President Trump will say "screw this" and bow out. We just have to figure out who that Veep is.
NO....NO.....NO......absolutely NOT I would stay home for the first time in my life and I have always voted Republican. I've held my nose in the past and voted Republican, but if they try and steal it from Trump, or Cruz for that matter, I would stay home and not vote - let the GOP destroy themselves.
If the Republican party ignores the voters wishes and shoves establishment Rinos down our throat they can go to hell, fact is they can go to hell anyway.
I'd vote that ticket in a heartbeat. Both are accomplished leaders with conservative values that the middle (where presidential elections are won) would prefer over Hillary.
Vote with your brains not your emotions. The challenge the non-Democrat, right of center voter has right now is the gullibility of Trump and Cruz supporters. They're sheep-heads just like the far left and ethnic voters.
Vote with your brains not your emotions. The challenge the non-Democrat, right of center voter has right now is the gullibility of Trump and Cruz supporters. They're sheep-heads just like the far left and ethnic voters.
Think folks, don't fall for empty rhetoric.
"Gullibility?" That's some funny/ironic schidt right there.
If the Republican party ignores the voters wishes and shoves establishment Rinos down our throat they can go to hell, fact is they can go to hell anyway.
yea, but they're gonna drag us there, with them!
Originally Posted by cuznguido
Why would you bother to vote? They are mocking us.
As I read elsewhere today, as best I can recall, "The decision to not vote at all is not an act of rebellion, it is an act of submission."
I believe the Republican party has failed it's base, and at this point I could give a rip if the party does implode and tear itself to pieces. It might even be for the best in the long run.
However, I am of the opinion that this election is about the SCOTUS as much as anything else, and I have to believe that any justices nominated by the R side cannot help but be better than any justices nominated by the D side.
The next president (God help us all if it's Hillary) will in all liklihood get to nominate 2 to 3 justices to the SCOTUS. Any nominees by a Dem will shift the court to at least a 6-3 balance in favor of liberal-leaning decisions. Conservative issues will take a beating, including any decisions on the Second Amendment. This is why I will hold my nose and pull the lever for whatever candidate ends up on the Republican ticket.
With that said, even though I'm not a Trump fan in particular, I believe the "will of the people" should be respected. YMMV...
As I read elsewhere today, as best I can recall, "The decision to not vote at all is not an act of rebellion, it is an act of submission."
I believe the Republican party has failed it's base, and at this point I could give a rip if the party does implode and tear itself to pieces. It might even be for the best in the long run.
However, I am of the opinion that this election is about the SCOTUS as much as anything else, and I have to believe that any justices nominated by the R side cannot help but be better than any justices nominated by the D side.
The next president (God help us all if it's Hillary) will in all liklihood get to appoint 2 to 3 justices to the SCOTUS. Any nominees by a Dem will shift the court to at least a 6-3 balance in favor of liberal-leaning decisions. Conservative issues will take a beating, including any decisions on the Second Amendment. This is why I will hold my nose and pull the lever for whatever candidate ends up on the Republican ticket.
With that said, even though I'm not a Trump fan in particular, I believe the "will of the people" should be respected. YMMV...
Chris
Since when does the POUS "appoint" SC Justices??? Nominate maybe but definitely not appoint. Pray the Senate doesn't loose its balls!
Have said for months, I have my favorite, and I hope he wins, but if he doesn't, I will vote for whomever has an "R" next to his name.
The alternative is far worse than whomever is "R."
Case in point, six months ago when I and others brought up the hugely important issue of the SCOTUS, many of us felt secure that our baby, 2nd Amendment rights, was secure. After all, we have HELLER.
Jump to now. Justice Scalia, our fiercest ally on SCOTUS, is passed, and Obama nominated a very anti-2nd Amendment candidate.
If you don't like whomever has the "R" this time around, then please consider it a vote against Garland and Hillary Clinton. If the prospect of those two don't spur you to hold your nose and vote for the admitted lesser of two evils, then nothing can.
The stakes are huge. Just think about what Garland will do to HELLER in every challenge. I promise you he will find VERY few limitations on gun rights under HELLER to be unreasonable!
I am voting for the R.
I hope it's my candidate. But no matter what, i am voting for the R.
As I read elsewhere today, as best I can recall, "The decision to not vote at all is not an act of rebellion, it is an act of submission."
I believe the Republican party has failed it's base, and at this point I could give a rip if the party does implode and tear itself to pieces. It might even be for the best in the long run.
However, I am of the opinion that this election is about the SCOTUS as much as anything else, and I have to believe that any justices nominated by the R side cannot help but be better than any justices nominated by the D side.
The next president (God help us all if it's Hillary) will in all liklihood get to appoint 2 to 3 justices to the SCOTUS. Any nominees by a Dem will shift the court to at least a 6-3 balance in favor of liberal-leaning decisions. Conservative issues will take a beating, including any decisions on the Second Amendment. This is why I will hold my nose and pull the lever for whatever candidate ends up on the Republican ticket.
With that said, even though I'm not a Trump fan in particular, I believe the "will of the people" should be respected. YMMV...
Chris
Since when does the POUS "appoint" SC Justices??? Nominate maybe but definitely not appoint. Pray the Senate doesn't loose its balls!
Okay, you got me, although you might have noticed the following sentence where I refer to nominees. It's a fair bet, though, that a Republican Congress won't be able to stonewall any Democratic president's nominees to the end of their term.
If the RNC steals the nomination from Trump it means the end of the GOP and a Hillary Presidency.
The RNC knows that. At this point they're wondering if the survival of the GOP is worth allowing an outsider to become elected President.
I don't think I can give them any credit for being smart. Arrogance has a tendency to over ride how smart someone is. They are the ones willing to let klin ton win. The only alternative is a 3rd party and let the R's deflate themselves. They will have become illegitimate at that point.
No. If they do that they deserve to collapse, and hopefully we can pick up the pieces somehow.
There would never be a recovery. We ran Goldwater in 1964 and got the Great Society; it's still with us. The Trump fiasco is similar in many respects. The big difference is that Goldwater was principled and intelligent, two characteristics not found in the present front-runner.
Running Trump against Clinton, or hand-sitting like brats will burn down the house to kill some rats in the walls.
Have said for months, I have my favorite, and I hope he wins, but if he doesn't, I will vote for whomever has an "R" next to his name.
The alternative is far worse than whomever is "R."
Case in point, six months ago when I and others brought up the hugely important issue of the SCOTUS, many of us felt secure that our baby, 2nd Amendment rights, was secure. After all, we have HELLER.
Jump to now. Justice Scalia, our fiercest ally on SCOTUS, is passed, and Obama nominated a very anti-2nd Amendment candidate.
If you don't like whomever has the "R" this time around, then please consider it a vote against Garland and Hillary Clinton. If the prospect of those two don't spur you to hold your nose and vote for the admitted lesser of two evils, then nothing can.
The stakes are huge. Just think about what Garland will do to HELLER in every challenge. I promise you he will find VERY few limitations on gun rights under HELLER to be unreasonable!
I am voting for the R.
I hope it's my candidate. But no matter what, i am voting for the R.
Have said for months, I have my favorite, and I hope he wins, but if he doesn't, I will vote for whomever has an "R" next to his name.
The alternative is far worse than whomever is "R."
Case in point, six months ago when I and others brought up the hugely important issue of the SCOTUS, many of us felt secure that our baby, 2nd Amendment rights, was secure. After all, we have HELLER.
Jump to now. Justice Scalia, our fiercest ally on SCOTUS, is passed, and Obama nominated a very anti-2nd Amendment candidate.
If you don't like whomever has the "R" this time around, then please consider it a vote against Garland and Hillary Clinton. If the prospect of those two don't spur you to hold your nose and vote for the admitted lesser of two evils, then nothing can.
The stakes are huge. Just think about what Garland will do to HELLER in every challenge. I promise you he will find VERY few limitations on gun rights under HELLER to be unreasonable!
I am voting for the R.
I hope it's my candidate. But no matter what, i am voting for the R.
Best post so far.
Originally Posted by Scott F
Never, in fact hell no. But I would still vote and I will vote against Clinton/Democrat. You canount on it.
Scott---Are you saying you will vote for a Ryan/Kasich ticket if the RNC refuses to nominate Trump or Cruz and defies the citizens that voted? Or that you'll write in for either Trump or Cruz?
The situation is,...if Trump leads the electoral vote count and the GOP hands the nomination to someone else, an enormous number of Trump supporters will *not* vote for that candidate,...Hillary will win, and the GOP will be gone for eternity.
The people controlling the nomination process aren't idiots. They know this.
Basically, they're going to destroy the Party rather than allow it to be controlled by the people.
I think they're starting to hear the vocal majority and coming to the realization that they might have to suck it up and reluctantly listen to the "low information voters".
Looks like the same people won't be voting again, again. Who'd a thunk?
I just cannot fathom anyone staying home for this election. If Clinton gets the white house our rights will be washed down the drain.
Yup, for sure.
Got news for you....your rights are in the crapper with lily-livered Republicans like Ryan and Kasich,too.
And if these two yo=yo's are handed the nomination at a brokered convention it's already too late. They trashed your rights on the way to the nomination.
It's all moot anyway. Ryan cannot beat Hillary. It's a set up to throw the election.
Looks like the same people won't be voting again, again. Who'd a thunk?
I just cannot fathom anyone staying home for this election. If Clinton gets the white house our rights will be washed down the drain.
Yup, for sure.
Got news for you....your rights are in the crapper with lily-livered Republicans like Ryan and Kasich,too.
And if these two yo=yo's are handed the nomination at a brokered convention it's already too late. They trashed your rights on the way to the nomination.
It's all moot anyway. Ryan cannot beat Hillary. It's a set up to throw the election.
The situation is,...if Trump leads the electoral vote count and the GOP hands the nomination to someone else, an enormous number of Trump supporters will *not* vote for that candidate,...Hillary will win, and the GOP will be gone for eternity.
The people controlling the nomination process aren't idiots. They know this.
Basically, they're going to destroy the Party rather than allow it to be controlled by the people.
Just like placing a thermite grenade on a piece of military equipment you can't take with you when you retreat. Same tactic.
You'd have a right to be pissed. Ryan is a do noting pencil necked geek;and Kasich has an orgasm because he won one state primary. Total loser and not worth space in hell. Both are GOP tools.
The GOP does not care about anything except keeping the presidency from Trump or Cruz....least of all about what voters want.
This is the third consecutive presidential election where the GOP party elite have stepped in to scuttle the candidacy of an outsider who started to gain support.
There's an valid argument to be made that the Obama administration has been the result of that. Maybe not his total reign. In 2008 the country was fed up with the GOP because of the Bush administration. It was pretty much a foregone conclusion that a Democrat was going to get elected.
But in 2012, I believe that if the GOP nomination process had been allowed to run its natural course, the Republicans would have had a nominee that would had limited Obama to a single term.
Now, they're up to the same tricks trying to get Trump out of the way,...and it's going to cause Hillary to get elected if they don't stop.
Bristoe--What outsider had enough support to beat obongo in 2012? I recall it being the typical establishment clown show clusterpuck
Ron Paul had a lot of support. I don't know if he had enough to win the nomination, but the crap the GOP pulled in making sure that Ron Paul didn't win caused the party to end up with Romney,...and he didn't even run in the general election. He just went away somewhere.
Now here we go again,..and Romney is working to deny Trump the nomination and get Hillary elected.
How many fuggin' democrat presidents is Romney going to be responsible for?
Bristoe--What outsider had enough support to beat obongo in 2012? I recall it being the typical establishment clown show clusterpuck
Ron Paul had a lot of support. I don't know if he had enough to win the nomination, but the crap the GOP pulled in making sure that Ron Paul didn't win caused the party to end up with Romney,...and he didn't even run in the general election. He just went away somewhere.
Now here we go again,..and Romney is working to deny Trump the nomination and get Hillary elected.
How many fuggin' democrat presidents is Romney going to be responsible for?
Ron Paul tried and failed.....he dropped out in February.
Bristoe--What outsider had enough support to beat obongo in 2012? I recall it being the typical establishment clown show clusterpuck
Ron Paul had a lot of support. I don't know if he had enough to win the nomination, but the crap the GOP pulled in making sure that Ron Paul didn't win caused the party to end up with Romney,...and he didn't even run in the general election. He just went away somewhere.
Now here we go again,..and Romney is working to deny Trump the nomination and get Hillary elected.
How many fuggin' democrat presidents is Romney going to be responsible for?
Ron Paul tried and failed.....he dropped out in February.
The establishment RINO's have used conservatives for decades, all they have to do is give the impression that they will protect our 2nd Amendment rights and give the illusion that they will actually do anything about abortion etc, but we have seen how little they do and crappy their supreme court picks have been and how they have ceded their congressional power and failed to stand up for or take care of our country.
When do we ever take back control of that ship? Will we ever have a better chance let alone another chance for generations? Who the F needs to have Republican on our teams jersey? I just care who the players are because of what their individual values are and the Ryans, Kasich, Boehner, McConnel, and McCain types aren't acceptable. F them all! Shameless arrogant liars and pieces of excrement. Even if they don't go as quick against the 2nd amendment, it will eventually have the same effect with uncontrolled mass immigration as that eventually cedes power to the commies anyway. If the majority of the public wants something bad enough that they are willing to unify and stand up for it, they can't take it away. Laws are only effective if the majority of the public sees them as reasonable and is willing to abide by them.
There would never be a recovery. We ran Goldwater in 1964 and got the Great Society; it's still with us. The Trump fiasco is similar in many respects. The big difference is that Goldwater was principled and intelligent, two characteristics not found in the present front-runner.
Running Trump against Clinton, or hand-sitting like brats will burn down the house to kill some rats in the walls.
^ This, especially with 2-4 SCOTUS appointments likely to be made by the next POTUS, Clinton cannot be allowed to win the WH. Unrecoverable catastrophe.
I've spent the last 25yrs voting for Republicans I didn't like. I've done enough of that. This election I'm actually looking forward to voting for Trump. I've never looked forward to voting for a presidential candidate before. If he has the most delegates going into the convention and the establishment screws him out of the nomination, I'll stay home. Only situation where I might vote is if Cruz is slightly behind in delegates going into the convention and then gets the nomination.
I figure this is all just mental masturbation anyway. If Trump gets screwed over by the establishment, he'll go Independent. Even if he doesn't, the majority of his supporters will stay home. Either way, it will put Hillary in the White House, but that's what the party would deserve anyway.
The situation is,...if Trump leads the electoral vote count and the GOP hands the nomination to someone else, an enormous number of Trump supporters will *not* vote for that candidate,...Hillary will win, and the GOP will be gone for eternity.
The people controlling the nomination process aren't idiots. They know this.
Basically, they're going to destroy the Party rather than allow it to be controlled by the people.
if that's the case, and i'm not saying it isn't, then they sure as hell can go f#&k themselves. if true, then freedom no longer resides in the USA , and we might as well be about our next order of business! whatever that proves to be.
Have said for months, I have my favorite, and I hope he wins, but if he doesn't, I will vote for whomever has an "R" next to his name.
The alternative is far worse than whomever is "R."
Case in point, six months ago when I and others brought up the hugely important issue of the SCOTUS, many of us felt secure that our baby, 2nd Amendment rights, was secure. After all, we have HELLER.
Jump to now. Justice Scalia, our fiercest ally on SCOTUS, is passed, and Obama nominated a very anti-2nd Amendment candidate.
If you don't like whomever has the "R" this time around, then please consider it a vote against Garland and Hillary Clinton. If the prospect of those two don't spur you to hold your nose and vote for the admitted lesser of two evils, then nothing can.
The stakes are huge. Just think about what Garland will do to HELLER in every challenge. I promise you he will find VERY few limitations on gun rights under HELLER to be unreasonable!
I am voting for the R.
I hope it's my candidate. But no matter what, i am voting for the R.
Best post so far.
Originally Posted by Scott F
Never, in fact hell no. But I would still vote and I will vote against Clinton/Democrat. You canount on it.
Scott---Are you saying you will vote for a Ryan/Kasich ticket if the RNC refuses to nominate Trump or Cruz and defies the citizens that voted? Or that you'll write in for either Trump or Cruz?
First, I am saying I will vote and not just stay home. Second, if the RNC pulls a fast one and kicks Trump off the ticket even if he has the most delegates and Trump does not run third party I would vote R. If they pull a fast one and Trump is kicked off the ticket and runs third party I would probably still vote Trump. Keep in mind Trump is not my first choice but I believe h will go into the convention with the most votes.
I really hope the RNC will listen to the voters and do the right thing but t this point I would not bet a used bottle cap they will.
I'm with you there Scott. I feel the same way. I like Trump and represents but if Cruz wins fairly I will have no problem voting for him. If it wasn't for Trump being my first choice I'd say Cruz is about as good as candidate the GOPe has had in decades.
There comes a point when the Party no longer represents you. Every election cycle, there will always be some excuse for voting against the other guy. As long as we keep holding ourselves hostage to this fact, the GOP will continue to deteriorate until it no longer matters. For me, I am there now after holding my nose for decades and voting for increasingly crappy candidates "for the team". The trend is clear, your options have been big government Republican or bigger government Democrat. We are on the verge of there being no difference.
That.
But I'm afraid we're past the "verge"....and the vote - one way or the other - makes NO difference now..
Let's see...an un-electable front runner (again) and a bunch of whining malcontents that threaten not to vote if they don't get their way (again). What could possibly go wrong (again)?
I am intrigued by the Trump fans who deride RINOS. Trump defines RINO. He has never been part of the Republican party in any sense of the word, and really isn't at this point.
I don't look down on your support of him, but do it honestly, he is a candidate with a history that straddles the parties, but it is convenient for him at this point in time to identify as a Republican instead of as an Independent, he is in every sense a RINO by definition.
Because he identifies himself as a Republican does not make it any more factual than Bruce Jenner saying he is a female.
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