Is there any doubt that this is the worst pos version EVER done by MS???

Looking at the zillions of negative comments from people who are desperate to ditch this pos OS and revert back to W-7 is interesting.. I mean, people HATE IT..

Replaced an aging PC a few months ago with a cheapie HP unit just for wife's Quicken stuff and occasional purchase online. Of course, it came with W-10. After 15-20 mns with that pos program last night, trying to book a flight on Orbitz, I finally gave up and went to this PC in the shop with W-7 on it and got the tix within about 2 minutes..

I'm going to try the W-7 install disc from this unit onto the new PC and see if I can be RID of that pos W-10 FOREVAH!!

I suppose I'm the only one here who despises W-10, but it appears I'm not alone nationwide..

Guess I'll just keep ignoring those pesky Win-10 FREE upgrades that I keep getting.

Lee,

I have it on my laptop and it was working fine for a month or so and now the start button won't work and Cortana disappeared. Last night I tried to reload W10 from a CD and it still would not allow me to do it. I agree...it sucks.

People also complained when flintlocks were replaced with percussion firearms.

GET A MAC!!

Windows 10 rolled out some big updates last week on April 12th. Go to settings and see if your computer is trying upload the updates, it might be slowing down your computer and internet connection. I live out in the sticks and have a slow internet connection, last weeks updates crashed my modem several times last week before I figured out what was going on. I haven't had any issues since the updates were completed.

I had that happen as well. I called Dell and a tech had things back to normal in about 30 minutes. Hasn't given me any problems again.

I downloaded Windows 10 abut 5 months ago, and it works. I do get annoyed when I download upgrades for security and productivity improvements, some of my start up applications just disappear. It takes me several hours to find and restore them to their proper position.

Other than that, Win 10 a good program. as the lousiest system, who recalls Windows ME? Now, that was a piece of crap!!!

AH Hell, the only thing that would get you to stop complaining would be a return to MS DOS 5.0 and Windows 3.11!

Hey wait a minute, I could dig it too.

Who? Who would have complained about that.?

He has been told that here for years, lol.

Went with an iPad 3 1/2 years ago and have happily left all the Windows associated issues behind....

Might as well just do it because at some point they'll take away the option; you'll just fire up your computer one day and it will be windows 10. And then all YOUR data belongs to Windows too.

I was so pissed when I found that the software I need to run my business was only available for Windows...it hurt like hell to buy a Windows computer, and Windows 10 B L O W S ! !

Just bought a new laptop and got one with Windows 7 pro. There are still a few out there and and at pretty good prices. If you run industrial types of software, you need a windows 7 machine. A good thing as I hate windows 8 and figured 10 would be more of the same.

Unless you have a full retail version of 7 that will not work. The company puts the license number on the hard drive of the unit in the boot sector. Keeps you from installing on seperate PC.
I have win 10, and dont really mind it although I do still have a 100 % back up of 7 on hand.

Talk about slow. All lanes just clogged up. Just had to take a detour through Cincinatti, because all you Geezers driving Speed Limit minus 20 mph, two hands on the stearing wheel, bitching.

Innanet s same way. Just get of the Innanet - now. That ll teach em.

Pen & Paper - Nobody can hack into that [bleep].

For me Windows 10 works great. I did tune the settings to my liking and voila.

I know very little about computers beyond the most basic of things. I was really happy with my Windows XP. When I got a new computer, it came with 8.1 Yikes! It was a total nightmare. Never could navigate my way around. After reluctantly upgrading to 10, I've been thrilled! I can get almost anywhere I want, and have only had a couple very minor glitches.

It absolutely is NOT the worst. Anyone who thinks that is either sniffing glue or else never had to work with either Windows 8 or Vista, both of which suck even worse.

A downgrade from Windows 7, maybe even from XP, sure, but worse then 8 or Vista .. not on your life.

Tom

The ones, just like today, that are so set in their ways that they are discomfited by change..........

Apple or Linux is the way to go; Windows days are numbered.

I haven't used 10 yet but it hasn't sounded that bad (for Windows) from what I have heard. ME, Vista, 8 and others were probably worse.

I've been using Linux for years, presently using Mint with KDE desktop. Absolutely the way to go for me.

I have copies of each if you like, I also have a copy of the original Windowz if you would like to try that.

Over the years here at the Campfire, I've realized there are a few certainties in life. Death, taxes, and Redneck having issues with computers.

Why is it "new and improved" is always more complicated and harder to use than the old system?

Likely because we're all getting less new and improved.

It's not half as bad as Windows 8 is. 8 was so bad that they skipped 9 to try to keep people from associating the successor with that disaster.

Curious question, does win 10 have the dual boot option?...Could he set up the Dual Boot option and install the win 7 in the second OS Boot sector? I know this can be done with Linux as a second OS so why not Win 7?

if you count in decades maybe

Windows 10 works great for me...I had one little hiccup when It first came out....It has been problem free after that..I think it is there best operating system to Date...

Yes Win 10 can and will run dual boot.
But the problem is that the license key to the install discs given out with a PC or one made from a PC is embedded on the hard drive in the boot sector.
This is the reason you are warned to never deep format the drive as your install disc will no longer work. No License key.
With the full retail versions the license key is in your dirty little mitts to be typed in on install.

Yep...They tried to turn PC's into an app based system like smart phones making owners dependent on their for a fee proprietary Cloud. Went over like a ton of Bricks.

A set up like this gives Microsoft perpetual ownership of the PC. They hold it hostage and extort you out of fees just to use it even though you paid for it outright and should personally own it.

I like to think that my complaint to the BBB in Washington and my "unfair business practices" Complaint to the FTC based on these facts might have helped eliminated the push for Win 8.

Redneck,

I am with you 100%...learning it slowly but hate it. A lot of software is not compatible.

My son tried to get some forms from ATF and they would not download. I spoke with the local ATF and they acknowledge the problem but at present they are not changing anything. I fired up my old laptop and got him what he needed.

Lefty

True...I forgot about the key that comes with the Commercial "full version". Are you hip to Linux? I have played with Linux a few times but still have yet to find a Distro I feel comfortable with to use full time. Would you have any suggestions as to which of these "ladies" would be the very best in usability to "date" long term?

Not entirely correct. One, you can always retrieve the product key from the machine before you wipe and reinstall the OS. Windows won't tell you what the key is, but a simple search for "Windows Key Viewer" will lead you right to a nifty little tool that WILL tell you what it is. Second, as long as you use a factory install disc, it will automatically be activated during the install. Quite often, you can even use the install disc from a similar computer, as long as it's the same brand and version, with no activation issues. If you have a product key, you can even install from a different brand of install disc, as long as it's the correct version of Windows. It'll require activation through the phone system, but will work.

I've swapped out the hard drive on a hand me down computer and used the Windows 7 serial code/key that was on a sticker on the bottom of the computer successfully.

Matter of fact I used a DVD I bought off Ebay for $9 that had several versions (home, professional, etc) of Windows 7 on it and all you had to do was supply the correct key. It wasn't a Microsoft disc of course but some guy that just made it for people that had computers that didn't come with an OS disc.

I'm pretty sure I chose to validate it online.

I also had a 3 computer pack - where you were allowed to install Windows 7 with the same key on 3 machines in your house.

After the first install, I always had to call into the automated Microsoft line for computers 2 and 3.

Ubuntu is really popular (maybe most popular) and has been around a while. You can buy a book to help you work it. I used it for a couple of years. They also have a big forum you can go to to ask for help.

I use PClinux KDE on my laptop now, but have been thinking of going to FreeBSD or one of the other Linux offshoots. I'm not an expert computer guy either, but any of the more popular Linux kernels should be pretty easy to run.

Most of them also have the option to create an ISO disk and try it out before installing it too.

I have given a couple a test drive from a disk. I suppose I was not patient enough and had too much I needed to get done everyday to spend enough time learning to fully use it.

But it is time, because very soon MS is going to try and also eliminate support for Win 7. There are just so many different "Custom Distro Package combinations" out there to choose from depending on what your priorities are so I was not sure.

Be nice if someone put together a "turn key" "Best of the Best" feature option Distro package for those that want to make the switch as painless as possible and still have a full featured OS.

I'm not so sure that Microsoft will be able to drop support for Windows 7 anytime soon.

They failed miserably with Windows 8 trying to merge PC, Tablets and Phones into a single OS and they had to make Windows 10 just as an alternative for people to get off the horrid Windows 8.

In an effort to consolidate as many people as they could, they're giving it away . Unfortunately it sounds like its still not as intuitive as consumers want, it becomes bloated with updates , its very cloud driven as well as having some features that prevent pirating 3rd party software.

So while they'd like to drop support for Windows 7 ASAP, as of summer of last year there were still 250 million people using Windows XP.

Maybe the plan is to just wait out everyone until their computer dies or becomes useless to them and force them into an operating system

If that's the case, Microsoft should just keep updating Windows 10 with new features and hold off on a major release for 5 years. But of course there is no money in doing that.

They are in the business to make money, But money by deceptive practices is wrong in my book. They are like Automotive Engineers...always dreaming up ways to "Make it better" when it turns out to be the opposite. At some point there needs to be a "as good as it is going to get" situation and they stop this practice.

They need to let these programmers earn their money and justify their jobs in other directions. I actually enjoyed the MS Game quality when they still made games and Simulators. They should just stick to improving on a base OS like 7 and quit trying to completely change the whole industry standard each time they release a new version.

There is so much animosity that if one good full featured stable alternative OS came out they would be finished and done for in the OS market. Even PC manufactures are totally sick of this monopoly and would drop them in a heartbeat if they could.

new releases are the lifeblood of the software industry for established products

and there is this relationship between hardware and software

hardware creates new technology and software must incorporate into the system - hence new releases and increased sales

and new software takes advantage of new hardware - hence - more hardware sales.

Maybe the best example of this was Windows XP Service Pack 3 release.

When original XP came out it was perfectly capable of running well on a low end Pentium CPU with 256mb of ram and 1.5gb of disk space but by the time users got around to loading Windows XP Service Pack 3, you weren't going to be happy with the performance of that bloated system on the basic requirements. Consequently computer hardware had increased speed and capacity to the point that it was pretty cheap to upgrade or buy a new computer.

So then laptops , phones, tablets, etc start standardizing on wireless networking so guess what, Windows Vista comes out with an easier interfact to share files between wireless sytems, print from a printer, etc

Microsoft tried to bridge that laptop, phone, tablet , Xbox - with a single OS gap with 8 and failed badly as PC users demanded an interface that allowed them to drive down to the folder level for data (not the cloud) and use a mouse.

Maybe Windows 10 will do that but if it did a great job of it, Microsoft wouldn't be giving it away. They're trying to get platform dominance here like they had back in the 1990s so that your home computer, phone, laptop, tablet, car, refridgerator, whatever are all using the same OS.

Members of the MAC cult have been saying that from day one of the MAC.......

Linux has some definite advantages as an operating system but you won't find universal applications for it simply because it's not well known..

With 8/8.1 Windows tried to appease the social media crowd with something they would relate to. Epic fail. I didn't figure 10 would be much better, so I stick with tried and true 7. They keep trying to make me change and I just keep politely saying no. Like this criminal government, they will likely win at some point.

I agree and understand and I lived through these steps too. But what made me mad at MS was that everytime a PC manufacturer increased Resources and Capability MS would do their best to make the OS take up every bit of this new found capacity by increasing the resources needed to run the OS. They jumped on top of every opportunity to make it as "heavy" as possible when much of this was not even needed.

The biggest mistake in priorities though was the hardware makers increasing CPU Capacity and Speed for so many years before someone finally came up with he bright idea of increasing the Local BUS speed. BUS speed should have come first, it was like trying to rapidly shoot through open Train cars as they went by with very few of the Car Doors open. More doors should have been opened first as a priority.

Remember needing to add Buffers and Wait States to correct this issue? It was a mess.

I firmly believe that if A PC manufacturer started selling their machines with a lightweight, reliable, compatible, and easy to use Linux OS preinstalled they could corner the market tomorrow and force MS to change their deceptive business practices and willingness to collaborate with those who want a backdoor. It would also force MAC to lower their prices and be more competitive in price.

Has anyone here ever done a Port Allocation report on their machine? Far far too many backdoors in MS and it just ain't right. And yes...Port 0 is active and real despite what MS claims.

Problem is microsoft is now in control of all your personal information. Win 10 blows. It is a spy ridden pile of trash. Made to look good to keep you happy while stealing all your info.

Amen, told Windows to KMA about 7 years ago after that cluster*uck "Vista" was foisted on the masses. What a nightmare that program was--and on new computers! Disastrous.

Went Apple Imac then and never looked back.

Who willingly uses Windows in 2016? Insane...

It's not harder, it's easier; for a brand new user. But when you're used to working with a computer and knowing where everything is, then they move everything and hide half of it, that gets REALLY frustrating. It mimics the smart phone experience which is great for people making a transition from a smartphone to a PC, but it's really a pisser for us.

It will take time, but look how far Linux has come. It's a damn good OS and the freebie software is damn good.

Could you expand on this issue?
Thanks!

Trouble is I would have to find a 286 or 386 machine to run them on!

So you went with the WSSM and electronic firing cartridges?

I suggest Linux Mint. It's based on Ubuntu so it has a lot of support and resources but it also has flash installed from the start.

You may know that linux can have different versions of the desktop program (what you see and interact with). I use KDE but there are other options. It all depends on what you like and what looks good to you.

http://www.howtogeek.com/163154/linux-users-have-a-choice-8-linux-desktop-environments/

Linux Mint is nice, I used it on my last laptop, I had used Ubuntu before that. The Ubuntu software manager makes it easy to find and install programs. I'm using a KDE build of PClinux right now it's a good lightweight OS for a lower end laptop.

I'd say there's many good options that are full featured and stable, but there's at least a couple of problems at work here.

One problem for PC makers is they're tied very firmly to MS, and they have to be for business reasons. MS depends on making a new OS available every few years. A forever OS would be a death wish for them.

A great many people are convinced that they MUST have a Windows OS for a computer to work. If PC makers go another direction MS will cut them off, no windows for you. With the result that PC makers will suddenly lose a bunch of potential customers and their relationship with MS is gone.

Another "problem" is that Linux is open source. There is no "Linux Corporation". The developers don't really care if people use Linux or not. They have no budget to market, advertise, convince or make comparisons so as to be more popular. 'If you want to use it, great! Download it and make a donation if you wish.' VERY different from MS!

I'm curious what 'universal applications' you're referring to.

You figure out how to rebuild a carburetor about the time fuel injection takes the world by storm


Fing computers anyway

I'm thinking the big drop in MSFT stock today was entirely due to Redneck voicing his displeasure


You don't want to lose us curmudgeons. Not enough nerds to keep the world spinning


Let this be a lesson to you bill gates

Everytime MS utters the word "Security" they are full of it. There is too much to explain here but do a search about "Windows TCP Port assignments".

It is self explanatory in how many backdoors there really are.

Really appreciate the suggestions from you guys and am working right now on making the leap. What I noticed is that all the instructions are fairly tech oriented and not worded in a simpler "laymans" format.

I'm thinking this could be self defeating as to how many are willing to give Linux a shot. The steps to make this change really need to be explained in simpler terms for those less tech savvy.

I downloaded the Kubuntu version ISO to try out first. I am going to try and make notes as I screw this up in hopes to sort it all out and recap how to successfully make the change over but worded in simpler terms.

Any help with crowd sourcing and explaining these proper "Click by Click" step by step actions put into simpler terms would be greatly appreciated Guys. I really think this would help out those who would like to make this change away from MS to Linux.

I'm tech savvy and the instructions as worded still have me a bit confused as to the proper "order" of the steps that need to be taken.

Here's a huge Question for you Linux guys...What about "Drivers"? Do MAC Hardware Drivers work with Linux? In my particular case I am currently using dialup through a USB Modem for my Laptop. How do I cure Driver issues in Linux?

I'm not sure the Modem maker has an optional Driver for Linux but I think they do for MAC. Windows comes with a universal USB modem driver would this be found already in Linux versions? Or do I need to source a driver and get it filed before I fire up Linux?

In general Linux doesn't use drivers the way that windows does. With updates to the linux kernel (deep under the hood) it just recognizes and works with most devices. The very latest hardware may not go so well but older stuff works good in general.

If you do have to use a driver for anything you need to be very careful to use the right one. The drivers for Ubuntu will be specific to ubuntu. No, apple or other versions of linux drivers will not work.

I seem to remember modems can be a problem. You need to just try it to find out. The good news is that once you have a bootable dvd or usb drive you can try it out without worry. You don't have to install linux to try it.

If you're wanting to do research on a device just google "xyz device+linux" to see what others have to say.

One last thing, look at youtube for tutorials on installing and using linux.

I have been on this since his morning hoping for a reply...I really appreciate your time Sir.

My Device is older and made by ZOOM corp. I did indeed download an ISO to be put on a Stick. If you don't mind me asking? Do I now need to download something to make the stick bootable or can I just send the file to it and boot from it after setting my bios boot order? the stick is indeed formatted to FAT 32 already with the ISO loaded. I am running Win 7.

Can your computer boot from a usb drive? Some can, some can't.

There is a tiny little program called unetbootin that works great to put the iso on a flash drive and make it bootable. Just to be clear, you can't just copy the iso over to the flash drive and have it work.

Unetbootin can be installed in windows and linux.

In windows it doesn't seem like a typical install, it's almost like you just run the program once you have it downloaded. Give it a try.

Yes, I can go into setup and reset the boot order. It is a fairly new AZUS with a current flash updated BIOS. What I was wondering is if my copied ISO file on the stick is already a bootable ISO or do I now need to reformat the stick as bootable and then resend the ISO file to the stick?

If the ISO file download is recognizable as bootable out of the box I should be ok right?

See...these are the steps that are missing for a layman.

Sorry...just read this..." Just to be clear, you can't just copy the iso over to the flash drive and have it work."

These steps all need to be clearly explained click by click for anyone to brave giving it a try. The order of setting it up successfully is kind of elusive when read as worded.

Know what I mean?

I understand completely. I added that comment after your read it the first time. Sorry.

Unetbootin will need to have you point out where the iso is on your computer. If you click on the button lower right with several dots you can browse to find the iso.

Unfortunately it is a case of "feeling your way" and "trial and error" too.

I really do appreciate your time here and I am going to play with it some more tomorrow.

"Unfortunately it is a case of "feeling your way" and "trial and error" too."

This is what needs to be fixed before more feel comfortable with the change over.

If you or anyone else would be willing to help I would like to get this done, make this change, and then explain how to do it click by click, step by step for others to feel more comfortable doing the change.

A here..."Print this and follow the steps exactly and you will be back on the Fire in no time" type of program.