http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2016/04/27/50-year-study-finds-spanking-doesnt-work/It’s an issue that’s long plagued parents, but new research being called the most comprehensive analysis on spanking says it doesn’t work.
Researchers from the University of Texas at Austin and University of Michigan looked at 75 studies involving more than 150,000 children over 50 years. They found that children who were spanked were more likely to defy their parents.
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Researchers also found children who are spanked are more likely to be aggressive and antisocial.
But many parents we spoke to like Ericka Sexton disagree, saying a little tough love teaches some valuable life lessons.
“I think we need more spankings because they did better. Kids respected elders back then, now it’s a little bit different,” she said.
Researchers did point out that the effectiveness of spanking ultimately depends on the individual child.
Kids who are spanked are more likely to be aggressive and antisocial.
Umm...
Maybe because kids who AREN'T spanked aren't likely to be aggressive and antisocial?
It's like saying that prison doesn't work because criminals are likely to commit more crimes. That's not because prisons don't work, it's because violent criminals shouldn't be on the street and allowed to commit more crimes.
Idiot liberals in Austin and Michigan.
In a college class one time, the instructor made a reference to the "fact" that confined inmates were almost without exception, had been subjected to "abuse" by parental spanking.
Me, with my big mouth and no significant clutch control, asked the 30+ class how many had ever been spanked as a child. Every hand went up. Then I asked how many had ever spent a night in a cell.
Only my hand went up.
So OK- it was more or less voluntary. I got into this bus station (Pendelton OR) at midnight- and then it closed down until 7 or so. So I was out on the street, in December, with my suitcase...
Cops came by, and inquired, then offered me a bunk. Hell, they didn't even lock the door. Made pretty good coffee in the morning too.
I pretty much liked those guys.
And to her credit, the liberal instructor actually gave me a fair grade.. Amazing!
My parents research on the same subject matter showed results exactly opposite of those clowns.....just ask my 58 year old ass.
Best opinion on the subject that I know of is;
"He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him." Prov. 13:24
Yes, I cling to my guns too.
I DO agree with them when they say that SOME kids need to be spanked, some kids do not. Removing the option because the state thinks they can parent better than me, is where we part ways. Damn busybodies.
With my kids, we spank and started at a very young age. Not very often, but we give a well timed whack to the bum when it counts, and believe me, it is very effective.
I've seen parents absolutely ruin kids though by spanking at every opportunity, to make up for horrible parenting and a kids needs not being fulfilled. I've seen 2 year old kids in turn, punch their moms in the face, which starts a cycle of abuse between parents/kids. Watching some parents interact, or not interact with their young kids can be painful.
I spanked my daughters who are now 22 & 25 years old one time each when they were about 2, both are happy, healthy well adjusted adults. The spanking got their attention and from that time they were taught that their actions carried consequences, good actions were rewarded and bad resulted in early bedtime a penalty both really disliked. Both were scholar athletes throughout their high school and college years, the oldest graduating Summa Cum Laude. They are now pursuing careers in accounting and physical therapy.
I had six siblings growing up. We were spanked, and spanked hard at times, but only when we deserved it.
One brother did spend a few nights in jail, drugs.
He and the rest of us are responsible contributors to society, married, "working" (retired in two of us) and we all seem to have very normal lives.
We swatted our kids on the butt a few times, but really did not spank much.
They are doing great career and "life" wise.
We got our butts lit up too, I agree with it, also believe a child has to learn quickly the consequences of bad decisions/actions, if they don't, there's a chance they'll learn it at the end of a homeowners 12 ga or in a prison cell.
Where I see problems are with parents that are not consistent with their spankings. They will let a kid get by with something several times before spanking. We got one warning and that was it. We knew to listen when it happened if we wanted to avoid pain. I hear parents say over and over, "if you don't quit that, I am going to whip you." Sometimes they do and most times they don't. This creates a problem. miles
Best opinion on the subject that I know of is;
"He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him." Prov. 13:24
Yes, I cling to my guns too.
Very good post sir... Very good..
Where I see problems are with parents that are not consistent with their spankings. They will let a kid get by with something several times before spanking. We got one warning and that was it. We knew to listen when it happened if we wanted to avoid pain. I hear parents say over and over, "if you don't quit that, I am going to whip you." Sometimes they do and most times they don't. This creates a problem. miles
Agreed, I've seen moms counting to there kids in stores, one......two...thre.one......two......
If dad snapped his fingers and pointed at you or banged his knuckles on the cypress wall behind his chair because we were getting to rowdy in the house, you best heed the warning.
It is far easier for them to be disciplined when they are kids, than after they become adults and the police and courts have to do it.
With my kids, we spank and started at a very young age. Not very often, but we give a well timed whack to the bum when it counts, and believe me, it is very effective.
Yep. I can remember being whacked a handful of times. Every time I deserved it, and every time it made a big impression, literally and figuratively.
I can't believe we've gotten to the point where a man can get hauled off to jail for leaving a few red marks on his kid's butt.
Repeated serious abuse is one thing. A whack on the butt every now and then is another.
With my kids, we spank and started at a very young age. Not very often, but we give a well timed whack to the bum when it counts, and believe me, it is very effective.
Yep. I can remember being whacked a handful of times. Every time I deserved it, and every time it made a big impression, literally and figuratively.
I can't believe we've gotten to the point where a man can get hauled off to jail for leaving a few red marks on his kid's butt.
Repeated serious abuse is one thing. A whack on the butt every now and then is another.
Exactamundo. Done early it leaves the impression that the threat is real, and hence has to be put into effect very seldom indeed.
My folks whacked my ass when I deserved jot, and I turned out OK.
But I am antisocial...or so Ive been told.
Where I see problems are with parents that are not consistent with their spankings. They will let a kid get by with something several times before spanking. We got one warning and that was it. We knew to listen when it happened if we wanted to avoid pain. I hear parents say over and over, "if you don't quit that, I am going to whip you." Sometimes they do and most times they don't. This creates a problem. miles
Agreed, I've seen moms counting to there kids in stores, one......two...thre.one......two......
If dad snapped his fingers and pointed at you or banged his knuckles on the cypress wall behind his chair because we were getting to rowdy in the house, you best heed the warning.
Yep, reading sign was like walking a tightrope. There was always a limit and one just needed to know where that limit was or get their asz busted in our house. I admit that I normally realized where the limit was just after going by it.
Today, you can go to prison FOR spanking your child. I wonder what the study would say about that?
My Dad would certainly be behind bars if he did today what he did to me back then. If he got very angry, he'd grab me by the left wrist and run me around him (sometimes fast enough to get my feet off the ground) and whip my butt and legs with the buckle end of his belt.
As a father, I spanked my daughters when they needed it - but never with an object; bare hand only. Not often and not hard. But they did learn what I considered unacceptable behavior.
Where I see problems are with parents that are not consistent with their spankings. They will let a kid get by with something several times before spanking. We got one warning and that was it. We knew to listen when it happened if we wanted to avoid pain. I hear parents say over and over, "if you don't quit that, I am going to whip you." Sometimes they do and most times they don't. This creates a problem. miles
Agreed, I've seen moms counting to there kids in stores, one......two...thre.one......two......
If dad snapped his fingers and pointed at you or banged his knuckles on the cypress wall behind his chair because we were getting to rowdy in the house, you best heed the warning.
Yep, reading sign was like walking a tightrope. There was always a limit and one just needed to know where that limit was or get their asz busted in our house. I admit that I normally realized where the limit was just after going by it.
My Dad was "the debil," I didn't fook with him.
Seems like libs have a problem with cause and effect.
Kids don't end up bad because they are spanked.
They are spanked because they are bad.
Of course, if they can convince people otherwise, it makes all those arguments about "disenfranchising felons disproportionately affects minorities more" harder to debate.
I don't need to quote a Bible passage to feel that i earned every one of my woopings but one,in my opinion.
With our kids they got a spanking when young but it seemed that all Mom had to do was tell them Wait till your Father gets home.
That worked better that anything i could have done to them.
Where I see problems are with parents that are not consistent with their spankings. They will let a kid get by with something several times before spanking. We got one warning and that was it. We knew to listen when it happened if we wanted to avoid pain. I hear parents say over and over, "if you don't quit that, I am going to whip you." Sometimes they do and most times they don't. This creates a problem. miles
Yes, Miles, this is a big factor. When my three siblings and I were kids, we knew what behaviors would get us a spanking and knew it was coming well before it happened. My last butt stinging was when I was about 8 or 9 YOA, and it was memorable. All four of us grew up to be normal (well, except for me) folks who led productive lives and never got into a lick of trouble.
Time and time again, these "research studies" by impractical psychologists and sociologists yield false and useless outcomes because the automatons base their efforts on the designs and attitudes of those before them - their own professors - and not on realities and practicalities. Too often they are seeding the study with gross data not refined according to some important situational and applicable factors, so their "results" are gross - and also easily manipulated to fit their agenda when that aspect is at play,
Academe at work.
My kids, nieces, and nephews - and now a new generation - know where "the line" is, around here. They also know discipline flows freely. We don't beat, but a firmly applied attention getter is occasionally applied.
I've said for years that if you don't have a child's attention and respect, by the age of about 12, you're going to have problems for a long time (at least until the young person realizes they need to change, and some never do).
Well some people spend a lot of money to be spanked! More nonsense from know it alls!
interesting read....
I can say I've never spanked my kids and there weren't any real discipline problems... with two marriages, I've really been a parent twice...
it always bothered me to watch parents beat their kids, as I have seen too many really wail on them...and yelling ridiculously at them....
my first wife was a screamer at the kids, constantly....
what bugged her so much is that I could get them to do something without all the drama....
she'd throw the oldest two in bed when she got tired of dealing with them at the end of the day.. throw them in bed a 100 times and they came out of it 101 and kept wanting a drink of water or something else...
when I was at home, If they were a problem when the wife ran them off to bed, I'd go in and ask them would they like to stay up with daddy and watch TV... they always answered yes of course... I'd let them come into the TV room with me and each one would sit on either side of me and leaning against me... I'd just twirl their hair and they'd both fall asleep in 2 to 3 minutes.. I'd take them back and put them in bed, and never heard a peep out of them....
or the other thing I'd do with the girls, is they knew 8 o'clock was their bed time... if they were wound up, where the wife would start yelling at them to go to bed... I'd just go in and put the microwave on 8 minutes, but never hit start... then I'd tell one to go see what time it was...
you'd hear them yelling "NO!!!" in the kitchen... I'd go back in the kitchen with them and ask them what time it was... and they respond "I don't wanna go to bed"... so I'd tell them that they had been good today, so I'll let you stay up until 8:30 them... they would be thrilled.. but at 8:30 I'd have them check the clock on the microwave again.. but that time, they'd go to bed with no arguments....
When they were real little they'd get a story every night by daddy... but instead of reading them a book, we'd act out the story with their stuffed animals, like they were puppets...I'd make up songs to sing as part of the story, they loved it... when done, they'd go to bed...
I always showed my girls love and respect, and never had the issues that my ex wife had with them.. her always yelling and swatting them or slapping them...they'd defy her...
when they'd defy me when I told them to do something I applied something I saw a friend of mine's dad do to him when I was in high school.. he never hit his son, he'd just quietly and verbally tell him he was disappointed in him... it devastated him.. he'd cry right in front of us, telling us he wished his dad would hit him or something.. but the low tone voice and simple words devastated him....
The girls knew when I lowered my voice I wasn't happy... it bothered them.. most dreaded drill sgt when I went thru basic, NEVER yelled at his people either... he'd come up and just talk lowly in their ear.... Trainee, get down.. just start pounding them out.. and keep pounding them out until I tell you to get up....
would have made me fear him but it did all of his guys for some reason.. it worked...
that is what I did to the girls..... or I'd do the counting, but I'd never do anything but call their name and start counting silently with my fingers... one two three four... and somewhere between four and the fifth finger.. they'd take off and do what they were suppose to do like a bolt of lightning...
guess I either learned to outsmart them, or just learned to think like a kid did.. or I was in charge but never grew up.. who knows, but it works.. my daughter do the same to their kids these days... from what little I hear from their mother...
It is far easier for them to be disciplined when they are kids, than after they become adults and the police and courts have to do it.
I know a group that figure that out the hard way. As a kid growing up the boy was allowed to do whatever he wanted and there were no consequences for words or actions. When he was 19 or so he got drunk and got rough with his mom and his dad decided that he was just going to show him how it was. The dad took a trip through the front door, screen door, off the porch and the ass whopping that followed got dad a reconstructed shoulder and the boy was none the worse for wear.