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Posted By: 4ager Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/22/16
Good. The blacks won't turn out to vote for an all white ticket, not in big numbers, and Kaine is very disliked in VA these days.

Desperation pick on her part and damaging to both.
Prison for the BitchOfBenghazi 2016!
I hear he loves gun control too.

Two tickets, diametrically opposed.

Should make decisions easy for all voters.
Posted By: 4ager Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/22/16
Yep. Kaine is a Bloomberg bitch.
Posted By: MagMarc Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/22/16
He is hated in this part of VA.
Posted By: MagMarc Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/22/16
Can we please have a special election to replace him?
Posted By: BarryC Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/22/16
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Hitlery picks Tim Kaine

Who?
Posted By: Bristoe Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/22/16
I can just imagine how the Commies are gonna carry on about *this* pick.

Posted By: Gus Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/22/16
she opted to run right, against bernies' strong run left.

but can she pull the game off?
Posted By: IndyCA35 Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/22/16
Originally Posted by 4ager
Good. The blacks won't turn out to vote for an all white ticket, not in big numbers, and Kaine is very disliked in VA these days.

Desperation pick on her part and damaging to both.


Doesn't sound like desperation to me. Someone who is leading in the national polls and whose campaign apparatus has been engaged for years probably has something on the ball. I suspect that 90% of the blacks will vote for Hillary and this means she will probably pick up a swing state, Virginia.
Posted By: Steelhead Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/22/16
I ain't worried about 13% of the total population, it's the lily white Yankees that are the concern.
Posted By: gregintenn Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/22/16
She knows Bill won't be trying to bang Tim's wife. sick
Posted By: SakoAV Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/22/16
I had made a bet that the uncharged felon was going with Lyin' Ted as her VP. Turns out that the uncharged felon can't trust Lyin' Ted either.
Posted By: gunner500 Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/22/16
BWAAHAHAHAHAHA, another dumb decision by the bitchofbengazi,.............................Good For Us!
Posted By: rost495 Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/22/16
Originally Posted by IndyCA35
Originally Posted by 4ager
Good. The blacks won't turn out to vote for an all white ticket, not in big numbers, and Kaine is very disliked in VA these days.

Desperation pick on her part and damaging to both.


Doesn't sound like desperation to me. Someone who is leading in the national polls and whose campaign apparatus has been engaged for years probably has something on the ball. I suspect that 90% of the blacks will vote for Hillary and this means she will probably pick up a swing state, Virginia.


I still find it unbelievable that masses that have to be morons would even consider voting for the traitorous murdering bitch.
Posted By: DakotaDeer Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/22/16
I consider myself at least somewhat politically literate, and I've never even heard of the guy until tonight.

What am I missing?
He speaks espanol. I bet he and Hilary get 108% of the illegal alien vote and better than 120% of the total vote in Los Angeles alone.
Posted By: isaac Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/23/16
I suspect that 90% of the blacks will vote for Hillary and this means she will probably pick up a swing state, Virginia.

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Just the opposite, actually. With the selection of Kaine, rather than a Booker type selection, how many blacks do you believe will vote this election in comparison to 2012?
Posted By: Oldman03 Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/23/16
Originally Posted by DakotaDeer
I consider myself at least somewhat politically literate, and I've never even heard of the guy until tonight.

What am I missing?


Virginia senator, very liberal, got his nose stuck so far up osamie's azz (now hillary's) that he's never seen daylight.
Posted By: isaac Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/23/16
Sanders supporters are livid at both the Wikileaked emails in re: Sanders and the selection of Kaine.

Originally Posted by isaac
I suspect that 90% of the blacks will vote for Hillary and this means she will probably pick up a swing state, Virginia.

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Just the opposite, actually. With the selection of Kaine, rather than a Booker type selection, how many blacks do you believe will vote this election in comparison to 2012?


I think you're right Bob, I was talking to my cleaning guy last night about this. He's a conservative hard working country black guy. We all know where the inner-city blacks stand on this, but the church going, hard working blacks from the country are different. He said they all know how corrupt and socialistic Hillary is, and they need a change just like the rest of us. They're sick of high taxes and want more money in their pockets. They know that something needs to be done about illegal immigration and terrorism also. He said that a lot of them won't really come out and admit it to the other brothers, but he can tell that they're swinging towards Trump. He said last time, they were voting for Obama because of hope and change and thought he would help them. He didn't and they're pizzed and don't want another 4 years of this schit. He said that even though they won't admit it, when they get into the voting booth, a larger percentage will vote for Trump that won't really be reflected in the polls.
Posted By: Mannlicher Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/23/16
Originally Posted by 4ager
Good. The blacks won't turn out to vote for an all white ticket, not in big numbers, and Kaine is very disliked in VA these days.

Desperation pick on her part and damaging to both.


as President Johnson said so accurately in 1964 "I'll have those N iggers voting democratic for the next 200 years"

Blacks are not going to leave hillary over something as minor as an all white ticket.
Posted By: DakotaDeer Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/23/16
Trump needs to pick up the Sanders vote. It shouldn't be that hard to position himself as the alternative candidate.
Posted By: Mannlicher Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/23/16
Originally Posted by DakotaDeer
Trump needs to pick up the Sanders vote. It shouldn't be that hard to position himself as the alternative candidate.


Trump will not be picking up Sanders votes. Dhimmicrats, for all their real and imagined faults, always manage to band together and vote the ticket in the Presidential election. That one trait is why they win, and Conservatives lose. GOP is more worried about party purity, than in winning.
Posted By: isaac Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/23/16
My read on it Sam suggests that Trump will not only get some Sanders' dissident votes but, just as good;a large percentage of Sanders voters simply won't cast a vote, at all.

This will be a turnout election, imo coupled with how the Independents and various unions roll.

I'm seeing a deja vu of the Reagan election.
Posted By: Steelhead Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/23/16
People are to 'fixated' on the black vote.

The top 3 states with the highest percentages of blacks, went RED in 08 and 12.


In contrast, some of the WHITEST states went BLUE.


Again, it's the stupid, lily white Yankees that are the problem.

And of course LEFT coast.
Right again Bob.

As far as the unions are concerned, remember, she wants to shut down the coal industry.
Posted By: rockinbbar Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/23/16
This ain't about the VP picks.

This entire race is about Trump and Hillary, and all that boils down to.

Both VP picks were chosen for their blandness.

The strong personalities remain front and center.
Posted By: isaac Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/23/16
No one is threatening to jump ship because of Pence.

Not the case with Kaine.

VP picks are relevant, imo.
Posted By: muleshoe Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/23/16
I'm just glad she didn't grab Bernie.
Posted By: Teal Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/23/16
Trump/Pence - TP to get rid of the chit from the last 8 years.


Clinton/Kaine - Kaine and Unable...
To hear people talk so negative, you would think that Republicans have not won office since dis-honest Abe. miles
Posted By: SockPuppet Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/23/16
Originally Posted by StoneCutter
Originally Posted by isaac
I suspect that 90% of the blacks will vote for Hillary and this means she will probably pick up a swing state, Virginia.

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Just the opposite, actually. With the selection of Kaine, rather than a Booker type selection, how many blacks do you believe will vote this election in comparison to 2012?


I think you're right Bob, I was talking to my cleaning guy last night about this. He's a conservative hard working country black guy. We all know where the inner-city blacks stand on this, but the church going, hard working blacks from the country are different. He said they all know how corrupt and socialistic Hillary is, and they need a change just like the rest of us. They're sick of high taxes and want more money in their pockets. They know that something needs to be done about illegal immigration and terrorism also. He said that a lot of them won't really come out and admit it to the other brothers, but he can tell that they're swinging towards Trump. He said last time, they were voting for Obama because of hope and change and thought he would help them. He didn't and they're pizzed and don't want another 4 years of this schit. He said that even though they won't admit it, when they get into the voting booth, a larger percentage will vote for Trump that won't really be reflected in the polls.


I wonder about this as well, and not just with the black population. I think a great many hispanics and women won't admit publicly that they will support Trump, but may just pull the lever for him when in the booth.
Posted By: gregintenn Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/23/16
Originally Posted by StoneCutter
Originally Posted by isaac
I suspect that 90% of the blacks will vote for Hillary and this means she will probably pick up a swing state, Virginia.

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Just the opposite, actually. With the selection of Kaine, rather than a Booker type selection, how many blacks do you believe will vote this election in comparison to 2012?


I think you're right Bob, I was talking to my cleaning guy last night about this. He's a conservative hard working country black guy. We all know where the inner-city blacks stand on this, but the church going, hard working blacks from the country are different. He said they all know how corrupt and socialistic Hillary is, and they need a change just like the rest of us. They're sick of high taxes and want more money in their pockets. They know that something needs to be done about illegal immigration and terrorism also. He said that a lot of them won't really come out and admit it to the other brothers, but he can tell that they're swinging towards Trump. He said last time, they were voting for Obama because of hope and change and thought he would help them. He didn't and they're pizzed and don't want another 4 years of this schit. He said that even though they won't admit it, when they get into the voting booth, a larger percentage will vote for Trump that won't really be reflected in the polls.

They'll vote democrat when the time comes.
Posted By: Mannlicher Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/23/16
all I'm saying, is that dhimmicrats tend to vote the chosen candidate. Republicans tend to stay away (remember those of us here, that did not vote in the last two elections?). If the GOP candidate does not please every single issue constituent, they stay home, or 'vote their conscience' by pissing away their vote on a third party candidate.
Ergo, GOP lost the last two elections, and will lose this one too, unless all the party votes Trump.
This is not a Euro style election, where there is power sharing among the losers. It's winner take all. A concept so simple, even Johnson and Ron Paul supporters should be able to understand it.
Bernie lovers will pull the hillary lever in the booth. Trust me on this.
Posted By: gitem_12 Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/23/16
Originally Posted by Steelhead
People are to 'fixated' on the black vote.

The top 3 states with the highest percentages of blacks, went RED in 08 and 12.


In contrast, some of the WHITEST states went BLUE.


Again, it's the stupid, lily white Yankees that are the problem.

And of course LEFT coast.



PA is pretty whiterrible and other than three areas of the state it went red. But those three areas are huge centers of black populations.. quite frankly Noone living inside city limits should be allowed to vote regardless of race
Originally Posted by Bristoe
I can just imagine how the Commies are gonna carry on about *this* pick.




Man, when I see videos like that my blood pressure goes through the roof.
Posted By: Steelhead Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/23/16
Originally Posted by gitem_12
Originally Posted by Steelhead
People are to 'fixated' on the black vote.

The top 3 states with the highest percentages of blacks, went RED in 08 and 12.


In contrast, some of the WHITEST states went BLUE.


Again, it's the stupid, lily white Yankees that are the problem.

And of course LEFT coast.







PA is pretty whiterrible and other than three areas of the state it went red. But those three areas are huge centers of black populations.. quite frankly Noone living inside city limits should be allowed to vote regardless of race



Mississippi is 37% BLACK and Obama didn't win Mississippi in 2008 nor 2012

Pennsylvania is 10% BLACK and went Obama in 2008 and 2012.


Please, tell me again how WHITE YANKEES aren't the problem?
Posted By: Steelhead Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/23/16
Originally Posted by teal
Originally Posted by Steelhead
Originally Posted by gitem_12
Originally Posted by Steelhead
People are to 'fixated' on the black vote.

The top 3 states with the highest percentages of blacks, went RED in 08 and 12.


In contrast, some of the WHITEST states went BLUE.


Again, it's the stupid, lily white Yankees that are the problem.

And of course LEFT coast.







PA is pretty whiterrible and other than three areas of the state it went red. But those three areas are huge centers of black populations.. quite frankly Noone living inside city limits should be allowed to vote regardless of race



Mississippi is 37% BLACK and Obama didn't win Mississippi in 2008 nor 2012

Pennsylvania is 10% BLACK and went Obama in 2008 and 2012.


Please, tell me again how WHITE YANKEES aren't the problem?



MS has 2.9 million people so 1.07 million votes
PA has 12.7 million people so 1.2 million votes

Percentages don't tell the whole story - essentially the same for both states tho a huge disparity in percentages.



WTF are you talking about? Percentages DO tell the whole story concerning who is voting for who.

PA has a black population of 10%, Obama gets 54% of the vote in PA. That AIN'T the black vote.
Posted By: gitem_12 Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/23/16
Originally Posted by Steelhead
Originally Posted by gitem_12
Originally Posted by Steelhead
People are to 'fixated' on the black vote.

The top 3 states with the highest percentages of blacks, went RED in 08 and 12.


In contrast, some of the WHITEST states went BLUE.


Again, it's the stupid, lily white Yankees that are the problem.

And of course LEFT coast.







PA is pretty whiterrible and other than three areas of the state it went red. But those three areas are huge centers of black populations.. quite frankly Noone living inside city limits should be allowed to vote regardless of race



Mississippi is 37% BLACK and Obama didn't win Mississippi in 2008 nor 2012

Pennsylvania is 10% BLACK and went Obama in 2008 and 2012.


Please, tell me again how WHITE YANKEES aren't the problem?



Again scott, look at the map. Aside from philthadelphia and schittsburgh. And I think the harrisburg/Scranton area...the entire rest of the state went red.

It's not white/black problem it's an urban/rural problem

How many large cities does Mississippi have?
Posted By: Steelhead Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/23/16
Originally Posted by gitem_12
Originally Posted by Steelhead
Originally Posted by gitem_12
Originally Posted by Steelhead
People are to 'fixated' on the black vote.

The top 3 states with the highest percentages of blacks, went RED in 08 and 12.


In contrast, some of the WHITEST states went BLUE.


Again, it's the stupid, lily white Yankees that are the problem.

And of course LEFT coast.







PA is pretty whiterrible and other than three areas of the state it went red. But those three areas are huge centers of black populations.. quite frankly Noone living inside city limits should be allowed to vote regardless of race



Mississippi is 37% BLACK and Obama didn't win Mississippi in 2008 nor 2012

Pennsylvania is 10% BLACK and went Obama in 2008 and 2012.


Please, tell me again how WHITE YANKEES aren't the problem?



Again scott, look at the map. Aside from philthadelphia and schittsburgh. And I think the harrisburg/Scranton area...the entire rest of the state went red.

It's not white/black problem it's an urban/rural problem

How many large cities does Mississippi have?


HOLY CHRIST, how stupid are you people.

I don't give a shiet about the size of the state etc. It's WHITE LIBERAL YANKEES that put Obama in office. I don't give a [bleep] if they live in Mooseballs or Philly.

Good Lord
Posted By: Steelhead Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/23/16
Vermont Black population is .87%, it went Obama. How many big cities in Vermont?

I'm just trying to follow the logic.
Posted By: Teal Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/23/16
Originally Posted by Steelhead
Originally Posted by teal
Originally Posted by Steelhead
Originally Posted by gitem_12
Originally Posted by Steelhead
People are to 'fixated' on the black vote.

The top 3 states with the highest percentages of blacks, went RED in 08 and 12.


In contrast, some of the WHITEST states went BLUE.


Again, it's the stupid, lily white Yankees that are the problem.

And of course LEFT coast.







PA is pretty whiterrible and other than three areas of the state it went red. But those three areas are huge centers of black populations.. quite frankly Noone living inside city limits should be allowed to vote regardless of race



Mississippi is 37% BLACK and Obama didn't win Mississippi in 2008 nor 2012

Pennsylvania is 10% BLACK and went Obama in 2008 and 2012.


Please, tell me again how WHITE YANKEES aren't the problem?



MS has 2.9 million people so 1.07 million votes
PA has 12.7 million people so 1.2 million votes

Percentages don't tell the whole story - essentially the same for both states tho a huge disparity in percentages.



WTF are you talking about? Percentages DO tell the whole story concerning who is voting for who.

PA has a black population of 10%, Obama gets 54% of the vote in PA. That AIN'T the black vote.


Kerist - I'm basically proving your point for you.

37% of a voting block in 1 state basically equals 10% of a voting block in another.

Which is why you can't simply state that a single state/voting block etc is what gave anyone R or D an election.

I do know that when I look at states that went Obama - it's the thicker urban areas and not the rural ones - we've all seen the elections broken down by county - not state and it always paints a much different picture.
Posted By: gitem_12 Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/23/16

11 out of y7 counties went blue scott. And those counties are the large urban epicenters of the state


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Posted By: Steelhead Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/23/16
Originally Posted by gitem_12

11 out of y7 counties went blue scott. And those counties are the large urban epicenters of the state


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Again, how is 10% of the population in a state going to elect Obama?

It's the WHITE LIBERAL YANKEES. So many people are fixated on the black vote and the black vote ain't the problem.
Posted By: gitem_12 Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/23/16
Originally Posted by Steelhead
Originally Posted by gitem_12

11 out of y7 counties went blue scott. And those counties are the large urban epicenters of the state


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Again, how is 10% of the population in a state going to elect Obama?

It's the WHITE LIBERAL YANKEES. So many people are fixated on the black vote and the black vote ain't the problem.



And those liberals are in the urban areas.

It's the same as your state

The large metropolitan areas went unanimously for obama
Originally Posted by Bristoe
I can just imagine how the Commies are gonna carry on about *this* pick.



known as the walkabout, three-point (Starbucks, the deli, and the club) liberal. Usually in their thirties and all-around experts on everything. wink
Originally Posted by DakotaDeer
Trump needs to pick up the Sanders vote. It shouldn't be that hard to position himself as the alternative candidate.


Trump was sounding a whole lot like Bernie on school debt for students. Should take him a ways.
Steelhead, I agree with you about the white liberal yankees to an extent. I think you're correct when it comes to most of the states in New England.

However, in states like PA, MD, and VA, we are more dictated by the blacks that live in the urban areas. We do have our share of white libs that live just outside of the big cities in the suburban areas too. So the white libs, conjoined with the blacks in those areas, are what makes states like this one blue. And believe me, we have a lot of liberal blacks in the cities and suburban areas. If those people stay home because they're not jazzed up over their candidate, Trump can win those states. We saw this in 2014 when we elected our current governor.

I know and deal with a lot of people in both VA and PA also. I know for a fact that those states, as well as MD, are geographically red. But we're out numbered by the libs in and around the big cities and the vast majority of them are black.

So back to my earlier comments, what I was getting at, is that if the inner-city blacks stay home, and the more conservative blacks from the country, swing towards Trump, Trump can win those states like MD, VA, and PA.
Posted By: ribka Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/23/16
Originally Posted by George_De_Vries_3rd
Originally Posted by Bristoe
I can just imagine how the Commies are gonna carry on about *this* pick.



known as the walkabout, three-point (Starbucks, the deli, and the club) liberal. Usually in their thirties and all-around experts on everything. wink


Had to watch the video 3 times to see if this idiot was a beta male Dem or a dyke

still not sure to be honest. Maybe NWalaska can help here

No doubt the DNC will have major issues with voter turnout. Trump will not. People are really pissed off around the country.

Of course there will be massive voter fraud in the swing states agin
Posted By: Old_Toot Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/23/16
Originally Posted by Steelhead
I ain't worried about 13% of the total population, it's the lily white Yankees that are the concern.


Worth posting twice. Well said, Steelie.
Posted By: gunner500 Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/24/16
Originally Posted by milespatton
To hear people talk so negative, you would think that Republicans have not won office since dis-honest Abe. miles


Abe as in the first rino in history? grin
Posted By: Steelhead Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/24/16
Originally Posted by StoneCutter
Steelhead, I agree with you about the white liberal yankees to an extent. I think you're correct when it comes to most of the states in New England.

However, in states like PA, MD, and VA, we are more dictated by the blacks that live in the urban areas. We do have our share of white libs that live just outside of the big cities in the suburban areas too. So the white libs, conjoined with the blacks in those areas, are what makes states like this one blue. And believe me, we have a lot of liberal blacks in the cities and suburban areas. If those people stay home because they're not jazzed up over their candidate, Trump can win those states. We saw this in 2014 when we elected our current governor.

I know and deal with a lot of people in both VA and PA also. I know for a fact that those states, as well as MD, are geographically red. But we're out numbered by the libs in and around the big cities and the vast majority of them are black.

So back to my earlier comments, what I was getting at, is that if the inner-city blacks stay home, and the more conservative blacks from the country, swing towards Trump, Trump can win those states like MD, VA, and PA.



I'll try it another way, PA is 83% white, how did Obama win PA both times? Here's a hint, it wasn't the 10% black vote.
Posted By: NH K9 Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/24/16
Originally Posted by Steelhead
Originally Posted by StoneCutter
Steelhead, I agree with you about the white liberal yankees to an extent. I think you're correct when it comes to most of the states in New England.

However, in states like PA, MD, and VA, we are more dictated by the blacks that live in the urban areas. We do have our share of white libs that live just outside of the big cities in the suburban areas too. So the white libs, conjoined with the blacks in those areas, are what makes states like this one blue. And believe me, we have a lot of liberal blacks in the cities and suburban areas. If those people stay home because they're not jazzed up over their candidate, Trump can win those states. We saw this in 2014 when we elected our current governor.

I know and deal with a lot of people in both VA and PA also. I know for a fact that those states, as well as MD, are geographically red. But we're out numbered by the libs in and around the big cities and the vast majority of them are black.

So back to my earlier comments, what I was getting at, is that if the inner-city blacks stay home, and the more conservative blacks from the country, swing towards Trump, Trump can win those states like MD, VA, and PA.



I'll try it another way, PA is 83% white, how did Obama win PA both times? Here's a hint, it wasn't the 10% black vote.


Same way he won NH........

You call 'em liberal Yankees, I call 'em Massholes. Same enemy, different name.
Posted By: isaac Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/24/16
And permeating the airwaves today are videos whereby Kaine is blasting Clinton for her email scandals and another where he states should should face the consequences for her breaches in the handling of classified information.
Posted By: 4ager Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/24/16
Hitlery is paranoid and desperate. She would not consider a VP she hadn't known and worked with for at least a decade because of her scandals, and she HAD to try to shore up VA (won't work). In doing so, she lost the mass black turn out she desperately needs in PA, OH, NC, and NJ, and she's jeopardized the Latino vote. Kaine brings her nothing but a false sense of security to her ego and to NotVA.

Master stroke by Trump to pick the "safe" Pence and have Hitlery "appeased" into picking the "safe" Kaine.
Posted By: isaac Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/24/16
And yesterday, the National Firemen's Union said they would not be backing Clinton for Pres.
Posted By: 4ager Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/24/16
The Ds have guaranteed that no police, fire, or EMS Union will back the Bitch.
Posted By: gunner500 Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/24/16
Originally Posted by 4ager
The Ds have guaranteed that no police, fire, or EMS Union will back the Bitch.


Damn oh damn I hope this is correct. wink
Posted By: Gus Re: Hitlery picks Tim Kaine - 07/24/16
the black vote, at least down here in der southland might very well sit this one out. just like gov mitt the mormon got sat out.
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