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NPR of all places this morning interviewed the head of the democratic party in whatever county Lancaster, PA is in

They asked him if Hillary was able to reach out to steel workers and coal miners - he said Trump is more popular now than ever, they've had record voter registration (democrats) and the new voters aren't voting for Hillary.

He went on to say that people even know that Trump won't be bringing back steel jobs that went away 30 years ago , but saying he is going to try is more than any Democrat has said and thats good enough for the old hard liners who haven't warmed up to Hillary.

He wasn't a Trump supporter, he was pissed off saying he didn't understand why Democrats were going to vote for Trump when he doesn't give specifics.

Pretty interesting to hear.
and Nate Silver - who has been wrong about every opportunity given on Trump not winning is now saying this....


If the election were held Monday, Donald Trump would likely win.

That's what renowned statistician Nate Silver projected on Monday for his data journalism outlet FiveThirtyEight.

In his "Now-cast" election model for who would win if ballots were cast Monday, Silver gave the Republican nominee a 57.5% chance of winning the presidency.

Presumptive Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton had a 42.5% chance of securing the nation's highest office if voters were to take to the polls Monday.

Silver's model had Trump winning in the swing states of Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, North Carolina, Iowa, Nevada, and New Hampshire. He would win 285 electoral votes in Silver's model.

It's the first time in Silver's "Now-cast" forecast that Trump has been projected to win.

However, in Silver's polls-only forecast and in his polls-plus forecast, Clinton was still favored to come out on top. In the polls-only model, Clinton had a 53.7% chance of winning, while in the polls-plus model, Silver gave Clinton a 58.2% chance of winning in November. But those numbers are a drastic drop-off from where they recently were — hovering around 80%.

Silver raised eyebrows Friday on Twitter when he pointed out "how plausible it is that Trump could become president."
Since they passed NAFTA 20 years ago 60000 manufacturing plants have closed nation wide.NAFTA alone cost us 900000 manufacturing jobs.
If every manufacturing job supports 5 service jobs.
How many jobs have we lost?
CAFTA with the chi-coms an order of magnitude worse.
Democrats and harvard/yale egghead academics look down on Manufacturing because it might be dirty and cause climate change.So 19th century..
Plus its alot nicer pushing paper around in a air conditioned office than being out in a dirty, smelly, sweaty shop, making stuff.Making stuff is so underclass..
Republicans look down on Manufacturing for the simple reason that your middle income Manufacturing job, pays to much.For 30 years they have been running all over the world..NAFTA,CAFTA,TPP.
Sad to see the party of Goldwater,Eisenhower and Regan all over the world sucking foreign dick to get a higher stock price and there elections paid for.
The "advanced economy" is a mandated 15 dollar minimum wage service sector job and chitty goverment heathcare.
And a slow spiral to a lower standard of living.
As Manufacturing goes so goes the rest of the country.
Its no surprise to me that people in Lancaster, Pa.,get it.
dave

Originally Posted by dave7mm

Republicans look down on Manufacturing for the simple reason that your middle income Manufacturing job, pays to much.For 30 years they have been running all over the world..NAFTA,CAFTA,TPP.
Sad to see the party of Goldwater,Eisenhower and Regan all over the world sucking foreign dick to get a higher stock price and there elections paid for.
The "advanced economy" is a mandated 15 dollar minimum wage service sector job and chitty goverment heathcare.
And a slow spiral to a lower standard of living.
As Manufacturing goes so goes the rest of the country.
Its no surprise to me that people in Lancaster, Pa.,get it.
dave



I hear ya
Originally Posted by dave7mm
Since they passed NAFTA 20 years ago 60000 manufacturing plants have closed nation wide.NAFTA alone cost us 900000 manufacturing jobs.
If every manufacturing job supports 5 service jobs.
How many jobs have we lost?
CAFTA with the chi-coms an order of magnitude worse.
Democrats and harvard/yale egghead academics look down on Manufacturing because it might be dirty and cause climate change.So 19th century..
Plus its alot nicer pushing paper around in a air conditioned office than being out in a dirty, smelly, sweaty shop, making stuff.Making stuff is so underclass..
Republicans look down on Manufacturing for the simple reason that your middle income Manufacturing job, pays to much.For 30 years they have been running all over the world..NAFTA,CAFTA,TPP.
Sad to see the party of Goldwater,Eisenhower and Regan all over the world sucking foreign dick to get a higher stock price and there elections paid for.
The "advanced economy" is a mandated 15 dollar minimum wage service sector job and chitty goverment heathcare.
And a slow spiral to a lower standard of living.
As Manufacturing goes so goes the rest of the country.
Its no surprise to me that people in Lancaster, Pa.,get it.
dave



Yep!
And the unions......
Originally Posted by KFWA
NPR of all places this morning interviewed the head of the democratic party in whatever county Lancaster, PA is in


Lancaster County, historically a red county in the state.
Lancaster a fairly rural area.

It's Philly that will by and large control how this state falls in the presidential election. Those of us outside the major urban areas are glad not to be in them, but we also know our presidential votes are usually meaningless.

I vote every time, but it's hard for farm country to overcome the votes that get counted in Philly.
Originally Posted by tddeangelo


I vote every time, but it's hard for farm country to overcome the votes that get counted multiple times in Philly.


Fixed it for you.............

MM
Oh, make no mistake, I didn't ignore that aspect of Philly votes. That why I worded it as I did. Notice I didn't say "the number of voters"? smile
Originally Posted by tddeangelo
Lancaster a fairly rural area.

It's Philly that will by and large control how this state falls in the presidential election. Those of us outside the major urban areas are glad not to be in them, but we also know our presidential votes are usually meaningless.

I vote every time, but it's hard for farm country to overcome the votes that get counted in Philly.


That's how it is here in NewYorkistan,Very conservative upstate,we just cant compete with the urbanites.
Hopefully Dems are worried everywhere
I thought maybe by the subject of the post, they were afraid of the Amish Mafia that operates in that area.
Originally Posted by tddeangelo
Lancaster a fairly rural area.

It's Philly that will by and large control how this state falls in the presidential election. Those of us outside the major urban areas are glad not to be in them, but we also know our presidential votes are usually meaningless.

I vote every time, but it's hard for farm country to overcome the votes that get counted in Philly.


Its looking close this year in PA, you've got a real chance to make a difference ( somethings that's really quite a rare in a presidential election). Vote and make sure your like minded friends and relatives are registered and get to the polls.

Originally Posted by tddeangelo
Lancaster a fairly rural area.

It's Philly that will by and large control how this state falls in the presidential election. Those of us outside the major urban areas are glad not to be in them, but we also know our presidential votes are usually meaningless.

I vote every time, but it's hard for farm country to overcome the votes that get counted in Philly.


It's the same in MN with the Twin Chitholes. Hopefully enough of the white Yankee (as Steelhead calls them) Bernie supporters either stay home or get enough common sense (yeah right) not to vote for a lying, murderous [bleep].
Originally Posted by tddeangelo
Oh, make no mistake, I didn't ignore that aspect of Philly votes. That why I worded it as I did. Notice I didn't say "the number of voters"? smile


Sounds nice, but look at ALL the White Yankees in the sticks too that vote for Obama.

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/results/states/president/pennsylvania.html
Lycoming County PA - 30,000 voted McCain, 18,000 voted Obama.

The county is 94% WHITE


Beaver County PA - 42,000 went McCain, 39,000 Obama. Beaver county is 93% WHITE.
A lot of states bear the burden of one or two metro areas controlling the state. If you think Lancaster is rural, travel a bit.
Originally Posted by Dillonbuck
A lot of states bear the burden of one or two metro areas controlling the state. If you think Lancaster is rural, travel a bit.


Unfortunately it's the WHITE people in Yankee land.
The only county "in the sticks" that voted for Obama wa's elk...every other county is metropolitan
Originally Posted by gitem_12
The only county "in the sticks" that voted for Obama wa's elk...every other county is metropolitan


i don't understand elk county but the rest have large populations of blacks who turned out for zero and doubtful will turn out for hillary whereas mccain/mitt were about as exciting as a bowl of plain oatmeal to PA voters.

williamsport
allentown
harrisburg
johnstown
erie
scranton

i see A LOT of trump signs and almost NO clinton signs. 4 years ago there was lots of bammy signs.

i have a good feeling about PA at this point.
Lycoming county went Red last time.


Originally Posted by gitem_12
The only county "in the sticks" that voted for Obama wa's elk...every other county is metropolitan
Hmmm, the results I see for the 2012 election show Elk going 57%-41% for Romney. Obama only took 13 of 67 counties, but still won the popular vote. Philly of course was a landslide for him (85-14) and that's what always seems to give PA to the Dems.
Originally Posted by akpls
Originally Posted by gitem_12
The only county "in the sticks" that voted for Obama wa's elk...every other county is metropolitan
Hmmm, the results I see for the 2012 election show Elk going 57%-41% for Romney. Obama only took 13 of 67 counties, but still won the popular vote. Philly of course was a landslide for him (85-14) and that's what always seems to give PA to the Dems.


2008
Originally Posted by dave7mm

Democrats and harvard/yale egghead academics look down on Manufacturing because it might be dirty and cause climate change.So 19th century..
Plus its alot nicer pushing paper around in a air conditioned office than being out in a dirty, smelly, sweaty shop, making stuff.Making stuff is so underclass..
Republicans look down on Manufacturing for the simple reason that your middle income Manufacturing job, pays to much.For 30 years they have been running all over the world..NAFTA,CAFTA,TPP.
Sad to see the party of Goldwater,Eisenhower and Regan all over the world sucking foreign dick to get a higher stock price and there elections paid for.
The "advanced economy" is a mandated 15 dollar minimum wage service sector job and chitty goverment heathcare.
And a slow spiral to a lower standard of living.


This is true.

We're becoming a two class society, the upper class of folks earning $200K plus a year, and a lower class that's living on government handouts. The upper class thinks things are OK because their stock portfolios are doing well. Their portfolios are doing well because companies have become super efficient by outsourcing all their production to China/Mexico and getting rid of all their "overpriced" U.S. labor. The lower class thinks things are OK because Obama is sending unprecedented amounts of welfare their way and they don't have to work. Why work when you can make $50K a year sitting on your arse?

The ones in the middle are the one's getting killed. You're not rich if you earn $100K a year in America any more. You're getting the hell taxed out of you to pay for the ones on welfare that end up with as much take home pay as you, and you're working your arse off to make that $100K because if you don't then your company is going to get some chinese guy to do your job at $2 a day.

The sad fact is that both parties are part of the problem when it comes to the decline of the middle class in America. Democrats don't want a strong middle class because they don't reliably vote democrat, much better for them to have 90% of the population drawing a government check. They're democrats for life then. Republicans want businesses to max out their profitability and keep the stock market booming under the trickle down theories of Reagan. As good as Reagan was for the nation, trickle down doesn't work when you've outsourced your middle class, we're trickling to China and Mexico now instead of to our own population.

In the same vein is immigration. The reason we can't get a grasp on our immigration problem is no one in government really wants to stop the flood of illegals, it's all lip service. It just wouldn't be that hard to stop. Quit giving them welfare, driver's licenses, free healthcare. Fine the hell out of people employing them and it'd quit overnight. The reason we have an immigration problem is because democrats want to stack the nation with more democrat voters in the future, and republicans want the cheap labor so their benefactors won't have to pay an American a living wage for labor. It's that simple.

Obama (and Hillary's) policies have gutted the middle class in America and will continue to do so. America is unique in that it's really the only nation in the world that has a real functioning middle class, now that's going away. That has been the draw of this nation for the last 150 years. Many will argue that Europe has a middle class but it really doesn't, it has a small ruling cabal of ultra-rich from the mostly inherited money class and it has a lower class that mostly work but have their well-being tied to the government. Many will argue that Germans are mostly middle class but the average family is going to raise their kids in a 1200 sq. ft. apartment, has at the most one car, has government healthcare and send their kids to a government school. Sure, they get a month of vacation a year and have enough money to go to the beer hall twice a week, but their opportunity for social mobility is very limited. They're happy with their lives for the most part but that's not what I think of when I think "middle class" in a U.S. sense.
Sounds like more people should put that vacation money, or money for their next ruger american into the stock market
Originally Posted by gitem_12
Sounds like more people should put that vacation money, or money for their next ruger american into the stock market


A couple of problems with that.

Not everyone has anything left over to put in to the stock market.

The stock market doesn't create wealth, it's in it's essence a big pyramid scheme. Manufacturing things creates wealth. In order to create wealth you have to create something of value. Telling a whole nation of people that the way to prosperity is to have everyone sitting around doing nothing while investing their extra beer money in the stock market won't work. You can only rob Peter to pay Paul so many times. In the end just moving money around and trying to grab a bigger share than your neighbor might lead to a personal windfall, but the net result is that you haven't created anything of value.
Originally Posted by gitem_12
Sounds like more people should put that vacation money, or money for their next ruger american into the stock market


Spot on.
Originally Posted by gitem_12
Originally Posted by akpls
Originally Posted by gitem_12
The only county "in the sticks" that voted for Obama wa's elk...every other county is metropolitan
Hmmm, the results I see for the 2012 election show Elk going 57%-41% for Romney. Obama only took 13 of 67 counties, but still won the popular vote. Philly of course was a landslide for him (85-14) and that's what always seems to give PA to the Dems.


2008
Ah yes....guess they had their fill of "change" by the time 2012 came around.
Originally Posted by dave7mm
Since they passed NAFTA 20 years ago 60000 manufacturing plants have closed nation wide.NAFTA alone cost us 900000 manufacturing jobs.
If every manufacturing job supports 5 service jobs.
How many jobs have we lost?
CAFTA with the chi-coms an order of magnitude worse.
Democrats and harvard/yale egghead academics look down on Manufacturing because it might be dirty and cause climate change.So 19th century..
Plus its alot nicer pushing paper around in a air conditioned office than being out in a dirty, smelly, sweaty shop, making stuff.Making stuff is so underclass..
Republicans look down on Manufacturing for the simple reason that your middle income Manufacturing job, pays to much.For 30 years they have been running all over the world..NAFTA,CAFTA,TPP.
Sad to see the party of Goldwater,Eisenhower and Regan all over the world sucking foreign dick to get a higher stock price and there elections paid for.
The "advanced economy" is a mandated 15 dollar minimum wage service sector job and chitty goverment heathcare.
And a slow spiral to a lower standard of living.
As Manufacturing goes so goes the rest of the country.
Its no surprise to me that people in Lancaster, Pa.,get it.
dave



Standard, neo-Marxist, hard-Left bullshit. Its truly astounding how many communists there are on this forum.

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2001/08/the-effects-of-nafta-on-exports-jobs
Originally Posted by rem141r
Originally Posted by gitem_12
The only county "in the sticks" that voted for Obama wa's elk...every other county is metropolitan


i don't understand elk county but the rest have large populations of blacks who turned out for zero and doubtful will turn out for hillary whereas mccain/mitt were about as exciting as a bowl of plain oatmeal to PA voters.

williamsport
allentown
harrisburg
johnstown
erie
scranton

i see A LOT of trump signs and almost NO clinton signs. 4 years ago there was lots of bammy signs.

i have a good feeling about PA at this point.


I'm in Berks, and I've noted the same.

I'm hoping the trend continues and we are actually in play this time around.

The comment about Lancaster County not being rural....it's all relative. Compared to Philly, Pittsburgh, Harrisburg, etc, Lancaster City is pretty small potatoes, and the rest of the county is suburbia and farms.

Compared to the north central part of the state, it's not the boonies, no. Compared the plains states, or places like Wyoming, it's not rural, no. For PA, it sure ain't urban. And the cities are what turn us blue every dang time.

I know its hard for you RJ to wrap your head around the fact that the current Republican party is dead.
Or at least your neocon version of it.
It killed itself.
To much chi-com cock.

dave
Originally Posted by Crow hunter
Originally Posted by gitem_12
Sounds like more people should put that vacation money, or money for their next ruger american into the stock market


A couple of problems with that.

Not everyone has anything left over to put in to the stock market.


Not everyone wants their equity at the mercy of Wall Street investors either.
Originally Posted by rem141r
Originally Posted by gitem_12
The only county "in the sticks" that voted for Obama wa's elk...every other county is metropolitan


i don't understand elk county but the rest have large populations of blacks who turned out for zero and doubtful will turn out for hillary whereas mccain/mitt were about as exciting as a bowl of plain oatmeal to PA voters.

williamsport
allentown
harrisburg
johnstown
erie
scranton




You are missing the point made by SH. The counties may have "gone" for r, but there are a shyt-ton of D voters there regardless. It isnt red by a landslide, not by any stretch.

Originally Posted by Steelhead
Lycoming County PA - 30,000 voted McCain, 18,000 voted Obama.

The county is 94% WHITE


Beaver County PA - 42,000 went McCain, 39,000 Obama. Beaver county is 93% WHITE.




As for you feeling good about PA, I am cautiously optimistic, but the sheer number of suburban transplants in the ever increasing sprawl outside of urban centers and college campus's has me worried... nationwide.

In central PA, it looks more Trump than it looked romney. I am optimistic that Trump will take PA. I think the debates will be very bad for hillary.
Originally Posted by RobJordan
Originally Posted by dave7mm
Since they passed NAFTA 20 years ago 60000 manufacturing plants have closed nation wide.NAFTA alone cost us 900000 manufacturing jobs.
If every manufacturing job supports 5 service jobs.
How many jobs have we lost?


Standard, neo-Marxist, hard-Left bullshit. Its truly astounding how many communists there are on this forum.

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2001/08/the-effects-of-nafta-on-exports-jobs

Hey Rob, why does free trade require 1,700 pages?

You need to stop calling it "Free Trade". If anything, it is managed trade or regulated trade.
My wife is from Schuylkill County, and I bought a lab pup out near Lock Haven recently, so I've had some rides up through the Skook and up toward Danville. In that region, I think someone would find their car on blocks and burning if they sported a Hillary sticker or sign in their yard.

I'm near Cabela's, and it's usually from here south and east that the suburbia effect kicks in. There's NOTHING for her. Not a bumper sticker, not a yard sign, NOTHING. I do see Trump signs periodically, though. Far less "in the bag" than it was for Obama in the last two.

But it'll still likely come down to whatever numbers Philly posts up.
Originally Posted by Crockettnj
Originally Posted by rem141r
Originally Posted by gitem_12
The only county "in the sticks" that voted for Obama wa's elk...every other county is metropolitan


i don't understand elk county but the rest have large populations of blacks who turned out for zero and doubtful will turn out for hillary whereas mccain/mitt were about as exciting as a bowl of plain oatmeal to PA voters.

williamsport
allentown
harrisburg
johnstown
erie
scranton




You are missing the point made by SH. The counties may have "gone" for r, but there are a shyt-ton of D voters there regardless. It isnt red by a landslide, not by any stretch.

Originally Posted by Steelhead
Lycoming County PA - 30,000 voted McCain, 18,000 voted Obama.

The county is 94% WHITE


Beaver County PA - 42,000 went McCain, 39,000 Obama. Beaver county is 93% WHITE.




As for you feeling good about PA, I am cautiously optimistic, but the sheer number of suburban transplants in the ever increasing sprawl outside of urban centers and college campus's has me worried... nationwide.



Yes, all those counties along the river with NJ that used to go red turned blue.
Originally Posted by Rooster7
Originally Posted by tddeangelo
Lancaster a fairly rural area.

It's Philly that will by and large control how this state falls in the presidential election. Those of us outside the major urban areas are glad not to be in them, but we also know our presidential votes are usually meaningless.

I vote every time, but it's hard for farm country to overcome the votes that get counted in Philly.


It's the same in MN with the Twin Chitholes. Hopefully enough of the white Yankee (as Steelhead calls them) Bernie supporters either stay home or get enough common sense (yeah right) not to vote for a lying, murderous [bleep].


Not going to happen.
The Iron Rangers will do as their union demands and vote for Hillary. Bernie supporter or not, they will do as they always do and vote, vote Democrate.

Don't forget about the 40-75k Democrats registered by ACORN and all the ballots found in ditches and abandoned cars in years past.

Naw, MN will once again be Bright Blue.
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