And I want your committed donated dollars thereafter, gals!

I will not say it twice.

if he doesnt end up screwing the pooch , you got a deal.

Already donated.

But don't tell anyone. All the Trump fans think I'm a dick.

I'll donate if he doesn't get his azz handed to him tonight. If he does, I'll need the money for more ammo soon.

I saw two political admissions/supporters this weekend in a quick trip to Anchorage. One was a pickup which sported two large flags; one an American flag, the other an equal sized Trump-Pence banner.

Another vehicle had a discreet bumper sticker with "Trump Pence" on it.

I don't recall ever seeing so little enthusiasm for a presidential election.

I can assure you I am enthused about Hillary not being elected.

His staff made a comment to the effect "he does better when he doesn't over prepare..." That has me a little concerned. Taking a debate with Hillary Clinton lightly is a big mistake imo.

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You are a dick. But you were an advocate. I respect that. And you, my friend.

Now, we have our country to lead.

So?

So, I guess I'll send him some more if he beats up the sea hag tonight.

Him and McCrory are getting my election allotment.

It's because if you hang a trump sigh, you will be branded a racist. Those are the times we live in. Believe me, there is plenty of enthusiasm.

Well you can be one and still donate...

Just saying...

Df

Ain't that the truth.

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I sent an email last night urging him to act like he already was the president.

I said prove my effort has been worth it.

And we all know what my effort got us the last two elections.

I am surrounded by Democrats. When I go in to vote somebody says - "There he is!!".

Yes we do. Now delete yours and I'll delete mine.

Nope. It's a fair attack. I earned it.


What now, Ricky?

Wait and see. Tonight will be someone's Alamo.

Godspeed Mr.Trump. Winning is only the beginning. Never had an incoming president faced so many challenges. Even more so than the last failure of a president faced.

What won't you say twice?

It's not just the Trump Fans.........

you farging sneaky bastage

Agreed. Just give me some Kudos when he proves worthy.

You and me have been fighting for a year.

Now, it's not about our preferred candidate, it's about Clinton vs. Trump.

Can we work together on this one?

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I cant say

To be fair how in the hell do you beat stupidity and white guilt???? This time we just have stupidity to deal with.

Trump will smoke that wrinkly assed cankled bich!! I'm hoping she passes out and strikes her head on the corner of Trumps podium and the last thing she sees before she checks out is Trumps smilin' face!

He's the only choice we have. He's going to need our contributions even more if he screws up tonight. I'm going to do what I can no matter which way tonight goes.

What's he spending his money on? Sounds like it sure isn't TV ads...

Has anybody seen a Trump ad on Tv?

How do we compete against the 30% of this nation who choose not to educate themselves,


I'm ashamed to say this but if illiterates and free loaders couldn't vote, we would have never had a Dem president, save for Kennedy.

Ok to ask where you live, 444?

Trump has a 50 million ad campaign hitting the airwaves now.

Good luck with that. She's more likely to know the answer. She's better at giving non-answers when she doesn't have anything on a topic.

Yes.

How much of my $673 social security check should I send?

I don't think you're a Dick

I mean no bigger than other people I like around here.

I'm predicting the entertainment event of the century.

If he wins, (I hope) I'll send more money. Sent some already.

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To be fair how in the hell do you beat stupidity and white guilt???? This time we just have stupidity to deal with.

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BLM is doing a fantastic job of beating white guilt on their own. Their mission is apparently to alienate everyone - including the whites sympathetic to their cause.

I've thought about that angle, but I really doubt that it is so prevalent as to virtually nix all Hillary and Trump signals.

But I'll bet you could flaunt a "Trump is a racist just as Hillary is a truth-teller" banner and few people would bat an eye.

Neither Trump nor Burr is spending enough $$ here in NC. I fear we are gonna get another liberal bitch as a Senator here. Not that Burr's that great, but at least he is pro 2A.
Ross is another liar of a bitch. And anti gun.

If I hear about Roy Cooper's $@#&@ mom again and how she was a teacher, I'll shoot the tube.

Burr's ads are near non existant, the only ones I hear against what's-her-face are from a PAC.

Hillary is one every commercial set - one way or the other.

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Then you don't think.


Jeff's a dick.

Please forgive the don't think reply.

I know you're a bright, educated man.

Jeff is a retard. Don't know why I love his company.

You are under the impression you can offend me?

Have another drink, counselor....

Yeah, in OK. A place where Trump doesn't need to run ads.

But from what I've been reading, most folks haven't been seeing any. Guess he's being very very selective...

How's VA looking, is it still leaning Blue?

Trump needs to forget about his base and pander unabashedly to the Bernie crowd.

I mean...... it ain't like the guy has principles or something.

He's got me and Issac..... he needs to go for Jeff O.

I think we have to realize that the less some people hear from Trump, the more they like him too.

(Hillary, on the other hand, she is 'nails-on-the-chalkboard' either way. )

He better - that's all I can say.........

Hoping he will impress tonight...

It should be a show.

And not seeing hardly any Trump ads here, probably 20 Hillary per 1 Trump PAC ad.

I hope Trump is saving the money for when it counts. Bleed Hillery dry and the unleash the ads. We will see. I am hoping the man knocks it out of the park tonight.

trump will do well. he reminds me of a DR buddy of mine, when you meet him you thinks he's a little clueless and not so sharp, till you find out he has made millions with shrewd business deals.

Same here in West Virginia. About ten cars a week go past my house on our dirt road and they're all gimmedats.Not much sense in putting out a Trump sign.

Gonna go up on the mountain in a few and drink a couple of beers at the local"bucket O blood" where I can be proudly deplorable among my peers.

Trump will kick ash.
Hil's campaign manager, Robby Mook, on CBS this morning.

“One of the concerns that voters have about Donald Trump is that is that he doesn’t have the right temperament to be commander-in-chief; he is erratic,” he said. “We don’t know if Trump is going to show up to have a serious discussion of the issues or whether he’s going to bully. We’ve seen him bullying HIllary with some mean tweets the last few days. We just don’t know who will be there.”

“All that we’re asking is that the record be checked,” Mook said, “and so if Donald Trump lies, which he has repeatedly done in the past, that that be simply checked.”

She be schitting her pant suit

Don't underestimate stupidity.

I just read that Trump just received an endorsement from ICE.

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I'd never intend to offend a buddy. Sorry if I did so, I tried to dance around it.

Let's be clear, that "pant suit" is not. That's a Kim Jung Un "tux".

just prepare yourself for every media outlet to talk about how Hillary won the debate.

You know its coming.

Trump didn't give specifics,
Women voters saw Trump attacking Hillary and hate him for it,
Trump doubles down on his racist rhetoric


I'm sure there will be at least 2 more narratives that I can't think of right now.

maybe hillary will stroke out,and The Donald will win by default.

I gave $200 before the convention , $200 right after , $200 after Sept 1st , I'll give another $200 after Oct 1st and Nov 1st. I'm not wealthy and it stings a little but nothing like living with Hillary as President.

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Trump's team is well aware of the MSM onslaught.

How he handles it will be the make or break.

My prediction:

Hillary accuses Trump of being cold blooded - with ice water in his veins.

She then experiences a coughing fit after Trump mentions ice water in the veins is better than a cigar in the kitty.

She passes out, and Huma rushes up and asks for a glass of water for Hillary

Trump unzips his fly.

RWE unwallets his credit card...

The rest, is history...

My dear friend Steve is not very happy with me.

He's so WSJ and NR.

This stuff practically writes itself.

lol

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As long as you un-wallet.

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Yep!

Bristoe quality......... damn near. [and THAT'S high praise]

Won't work. You have to tweedy bird!!

Trumps best attack has been pre-emptive - taking away their ability to create a damaging narrative by saying what they will *want* to say ahead of time.

Something is happening behind the scenes.

Stand by.

Not big Trump fan, but I'll donate a $100 bucks to his campaign if Hill passes out or has a medical emergency during this shin-dig.

50 if she falls off her stack of Sears catalogs and on to her adult diaper.

150 if she pees her pantsuit or her cath comes out and makes a puddle on the stage floor.

what if she cancels last minute?

$75

If you have email access, I'd like you to suggest to him that if the question of his remarks about Putin are asked, that he should point out that while hillary was tweeting her attacks on HIM, Obama was in Laos, (Laos of all fuggin places!!!) giving a speech to Laotians about how lazy and stupid Americans are...pimping the TPP boolschitt...

I don't know if going Gingrich will help tonight,

In my ignored, no reply to email so far, I said just be presidential
.

Only thing missing was a Tiddy falling out...

It

He's sane, too.

If agreement w/ NR and RobJordan are on your sanity checklist you REALLY need to reaccess...

I agree with no one or nothing on a blanket basis, save the Bible, but do recall agreeing with Steve on most every significant subject. The man is truly lucid.

I miss SteveNO.

With Mark Cuban and Mark Geist in the front row, there's another dozen scenarios that could end up with the same result...

Who needs gladiators and the Coliseum when we have entertainment for the masses like this?

I think Hildabeast will try her childish games of saying things to rile up Trump. She will fail, and will look small and weak. Trump will be ordained the winner by not falling for such nonsense, and providing more policy detail than folks expect.

Look, it's pretty simple.

Trumpers are Trumpers, Klintonistas are Klintonistas.
It's all about the undecideds now. (Let's just leave the Sanders fans out for the time being, but basically they're a problem for Clinton, a huuuuge problem.)Most all people's opinions of Illary and Trump have been based on what a whoribly biased media has been willing to show them. Tonight will be the first time many voters see these two in unprotected waters. Moderaters can skew, but Trump has shown a willingness and exceptional ability to punch right back, and tonite will be no different People seem to respond well to that. Again, who gives a chit what peddlers/liberals think, this is about the undecideds. Trump could go barking mad, howl at the moon and piss on both podiums tonight and start yelling "GFY!"But it's more likely he's going to be calm, professional, and act like an Executive, which he's been for quite a long time. You can bet he has been coached by the best that money can buy for several weeks. So has Illary, however she has never been believable and even her supporters admit she lies but justify it by saying all politicians lie. That won't work with the undecideds. It's Trumps chance to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory or not. Hope she strokes out.

He's playin' dick, Kinda like a possum playin' dead.

Ha! The first time I showed up to vote after buying my first house in a quiet little corner of Joliet's south side ghetto I asked for a Republican primary ballot and they said they didn't have any! Then they decided there were probably some in the trunk from the Election Commission but they never need one so they hadn't gotten any out yet.

Worked in a Lumber yard one Summer across the tracks. A mile from work was a little BBQ joint I thought would be good for lunch, Mister-T's, that should have told me everything I needed to know right there. I knew when I opened the door I might have made a mistake. It was the reverse of 48Hrs when Eddie Murphy walked into that Redneck Bar. But what can you do at that point, back out thru the door.? So with a deep breath, I ordered and got my food. Everything was cool, but I was a stranger in a strange land...

Uncalled for.

Totally uncalled for.

The wheels are laughing and hobknobbing before the battle, but since blood wont be shed they have no concern for their sensitivities, appearing not to realize they will be seeing the battles of Lexington, the Coral Sea, and D-Day, where the fate of their nation hangs in the balance of a rigged system.

May God Bless America, again.

Would you believe me if I said I was sorry?

JFC, Bob, please stop making predictions!

Well,...Trump did make an Impression tonight.....

I'm embarrassed for Trump, I can't watch this.

Jim

LOL

Well...I can't say I wasn't impressed.

Well...

Time to get drunk.

Too late!

Not even close to too late.. the question is whether I can stay drunk enough for the next 43 days.

That was hard to watch. Hoped it wouldn't be, but figured it would.
I hope Bob was impressed. Bet he doesn't say it again, now.

What are you going to do for the next 8 years after that.

Now we HAVE to hold both houses!

Trump failed on so many opportunities to blow her out of the water.

Very unimpressive.

Lots of cardio, lots of reloading, distribution of resources...

You know..

Hillary didn't sound all that bad on guns. She'd probably allow muzzle loaders.

Perhaps single shots....American made.............as long as they have a plug........and 36" barrels...at least...... and untouchably welded triggers.... at least 15 pounds. Criminals all be exempt.......... of course. She's good....and not in the 'bad' way which means good.

On the bright side, even if you don't like Trump, there's Pence.

On the dark side, if you don't like Hillary, she's got Kaine. (The "eek" icon; it's for those times you wish there was an "ish" icon, but don't have one. )

Steve_NO?

Sycamore

I'm a Trump guy but he certainly didn't blow my sails much.


Lester Holt was only so-so as a mod. JMHO

Trump did what he needed to do. He didn't personally attack her as a woman. He pointed out her failures without calling her crooked hillary. He was a gentleman as best he can be.
She has so much bad he could have talked about. It was killing him to listen to her lies and stupid talking points. He kept in control of himself. That was the goal tonight. He'll dial it up some on the next one.
People don't want to vote for her or she would have won last time. If he looks reasonable he'll win.

It's sad how DT can be manipulated by yanking on his ego, like a bull with a ring in his nose.

Imagine how a strong world leader like Putin would humiliate him.

LOSE the EGO, DT!! Too much is riding on this election, the most in my lifetime.

Fox is giving Hilldog the win on points. Admire Trump's restraint but it hurt him.

Debates are won and lost on demeanor; not details. Trump did OK. Not great but OK.

The bar was set pretty low for his first one-on-one. Trump has one week to fill in what he left out tonight.

And I think this was Hillary's best barrage on Trump. Don't see her getting any better.

Exposed tonight, w/o doubt.

Trump left a lot the table. He has fresh material for debates closer to the election.

Go trump

Surprise!

Moderator clearly Pro Clinton.

Surprise!

So not only are you a ball licker but a democratic pos to boot well go figure.

Ok,

Run and gun with that, south Tacoma exit.

Well, that's a glass-half-full way to look at it.... haha..... but rolling with it, yes! Very true.

He's simply going to need to prepare better, be more capable of going into some depth on the basic issues. As much as he says he's the anti-politician, tonight he just seemed like a BAD politician.

But it ain't over, and you're right, there's plenty of fertile ground yet. Going both ways, actually. Hillary left a lot on the table too.

Clearly, a 1.5 hour moderated debate is NOT Trump's strength. Maybe tonight got his attention and he'll be better prepared next one.

Saw a few of the "highlights" and Trump did not look good..not terrible, but Hilary looked sharper and more polished...

Hopefully this is just the starting point and Trump will up his game for the next two debates...

She almost said "gun control" but caught Herself and said keeping the guns out of the hands of criminals. Only thing is, She thinks that we are all criminals. miles

Trump will impress tonight... Well, no, he did not.

He did very well for a 2 on 1 debate. You knew it was coming. Holtz is a putz and in the tank for Killary. Taxes, birther.......W.T,F, No questions on Benghazi, e-mails or Clinton foundation. He took the high road at the end and that was the best thing he could do.

The birther stuff pisses me off. Obama's bio stated he was Kenyan. Obama's wife said his home country was Kenya. His grandmother said he was born in Kenya, and he was very slow in producing an undisputed long form birth certificate, which the Democrat former governor of Hawaii could not locate. If that doesn't raise your antenna, you have no desire to find the truth. Kinda like being a Muslim. Muslim father, stepfather, school, the most beautiful sound in the world is the call to prayer....not something your average Lutheran would say...We're just not permitted to question the black guy because he's black. Not that that's racist...Clinton tried to hit Trump on race and gender, but had the sense to back off, when it kinda fell flat. Democrat policies have destroyed blacks. Hillary is married to a serial rapist, and attacks the women he raped. Yup. That's a great stand..

Hold on ladies; what did you expect? Trump is not a politician; not a true debater either and he has the mannerisms of a Mad Magazine character but he will learn and there are two more debates to come. Remember Hiliary has been through how many of these things? Someone mentioned fifteen or sixteen of these mono e mono things.

As to moderator sympathies--they are all part of the "club"; mostly all liberal leftists and if actually conservative or libertarian would have to be covertly or they wouldn't even have their job. Nothing new here or there.

Just hope enough of the undecideds can be honest enough with themselves to vote against policy failure, deceit, illegal activity, lying, and the destructive trajectory of this country.

Why does a moderator have to be a "journalist "?

As much as I hate to say it, Trump looked like a buffoon last night. I'm still voting for him but jeez...

Good points. Trump did fine. He will do better at the next debate.

Funny to see the anybody but Trump crowd come out of the woodwork to rail against him again .

""Cruz would have buried her ass -I know he would have if only he had the chance "" laf ...

clinton looked like and idiot throwing her smarmy smirk in every chance she got .
She is the perfect leader for the democrat party !

I will continue to point out the truth to the young folks who aren't politic savvy -I have explained to several people how this election is so important and will continue to do so .

Piss on these "debates" rigged up by the rigged up media .

can't find one poll thats he's not ahead in this morning.

What Cruz may have done is irrelevant because he could not get elected....which is what many of us said months ago.

So who cares how he would have debated?

Nobody expected clear "winners" and losers" in this. Clinton is a skilled and accomplished liar,so in micro sound bites and a heavily scripted debate format she is going to look "good" to stupid people.

And scare the schit out of all the "chicken little crowd"

Trump is brighter than most give him credit for and I'm thinking-hoping perhaps-there is a plan. Much like a sly boxer, set her up for the knockout.

He sure left plenty of doors open to step through.

I believe that if I were him this would be the first thing I said[or would say next debate].

"I'm not a politician and I do not do this for a living. I don't know that I have all of the answers, but I do know that what HRC and the others have been doing isn't working and actually landed us in the mess we are in. If elected, I'll give everything I have to straighten it out"

My error.

I didn't think this thread was a Lock Pick...

Were you impressed, Bob?

From what I saw, this was the big league, and he had a target rich environment that could have awarded him the election, if played right.

While Trump made some very good, valid points, he didn't follow through on his swing and drive them home.

Hillary laughed him off.

Cross eyed bitch.

I wish it were otherwise, but sadly it isn't.

Sure hope he works on his game next time.

Did I hope Trump would do better?? Sure. Honestly, this was kinda like the first Rocky movie. He was getting hit by Apollo, AND the ref was crooked, to boot (look at Holt's numbers on Drudge this am). The important thing is, Trump is still standing, and no bones were broken. There was no "knockout".

They hit him about as hard as they could. Trump still has PLENTY of stuff to hit Hillary with in debate 2 and 3.

I'm not blind. Trump didn't "win", but he took everything Holt and Hillary threw at him, and survived. Ailes can phone him up, give him a few zingers, and he should look better in 2 and 3. Not a win, but not a "defeat", either. He's lived to fight another day...

Journalists were once thought to be impartial by the public. Lieberals still believe they are. Fancy that.

I know you will not allow yourself to see this, but it was not the moderators fault.

I don't believe for one second that all the email/server hacking that went on after the DNC convention was the work of "russians", IMO it was almost certainly the work of disgruntled folks inside the intelligence community.

And if I were a betting man, I'd bet that they have saved quite a few things back in reserve just for occasions like this where Trump might start to lag. They hate that Bitch and they will do whatever it takes to keep her from being POTUS.

I'd look for more leaks coming that will aid Trump by the next debate...

I don't disagree. I just hope that Trump learned a very valuable lesson that will help going forward. While there was no Candy Crowley moment Holt made his stance known by the questions not asked.

Which ones are you looking at? On Real Clear Politics, that is a conglomeration of most polls, there is only one for today, which would measure the impact of the debate and Trump is ahead on it. But most of the rest from yesterday show clinton ahead.

I think what we saw was Hilary's previous courtroom and debating experience being brought to the fore.

In Trump's world, he doesn't "debate" and if ever needed to, he probably employed an expert to do it for him..Its just how the business world rolls at that level..

I like your outlook.

Glad I didn't waste time watching, but you can't help seeing snipets "everyfreakingwhere".......looked like the expected clown show to me.

And??? Trump was thrown softball after softball that he SHOULD have been able to hammer a home run with...instead he was swinging the bat like a limp dick...What pissed me off most was the smug look she had most of the time...

Trump did very very very well ... believe me ... believe me.

Pretty much was.

Everything Hilldog said was rehearsed and scripted. As well as a lie. "Don't look at me!" was her message loud and clear.

Hillary drove home a point about DT "stiffing" an architect on a clubhouse. (Like anyone cares)

And Trump brought up the Iran deal, the e-mail scandal, her staff having to plead the 5th... and so on, but she just laughed him off and scoffed at him.

I wasn't impressed by Trump's debating skills.It doesn't matter to me.I will vote for him because the alternative is unthinkable.

I would never vote for a closet homosexual who licks the smelly crotch of her female Muslim spy.

I would never vote for a scumbag who sold out the safety and security of every American citizen with the uranium deal that paid her 135 million.

I would never vote for a c-u-n-t who did not rescue our men in Benghazi because it would have upset their slogan "General motors is alive and Osama Bin Laden is dead".

I will vote for a patriot rather than a closet homosexual,scumbag,c-u-n-t.

Do I make myself clear.

Sadly, the debate was largely immaterial to diehard Trump (or Hilary) supports, but its very important to the "Don't knows" and the "superficial" Democrats who maybe swayed to Trump or at least away from Hilary.

I am hoping that Trump is pacing himself and will show a bit more fire in the next two debates...

As will I, but do you realize that there are lots of people out there that won't vote at all if both candidates look like idiots?

WTF did "400 pound" hackers come from anyway?

Well, Bob, were you impressed?

So...How is that working out for ya Isaac?

Probably talking about NWA.

Thats me!

Seems that Trump didn't do so well 4 years ago out of the gate either.

That was embarrassing. 2 old bumbling fools that could not put together a coherent thought. Sad day for America. I'll vote for Trump again, but if those 2 are all the better we can come up with, Heaven help us.

Trump was that way, because he was pissed as hell...

Biden got away with no inspection for wearing the wire Trump's Staff knew he'd be in there with, seeing how doped up he was on drugs and refusing to take a drug test, evident the questions had made it from Wallace's desk to Biden's Campaign People two weeks before hand so that he could be schooled on it... and Wallace claiming to be neutral and it was evident he wasn't...

I'd be pissed also.. and Wallace needs to be fired, so he can be free to go over and work at CNN, where he really belongs...with the rest of the lying POS s in the Media Leftist Elites...

Trump has morals.. the left doesn't have a single one... to include Chris Wallace...

even if this a reconstituted 4 year old thread....

Trump isn't very good at debating obviously. Good debating skills is a trait of lawyers, politicians and snake oil or car salesmen. Some people really need to be baffled with bull $hit and talked down to so they can decide on something.

Same here...I quit watching because it was difficult to watch my guy put on such a poor performance against such a weak opponent..

Some can twist it every which way to make it look good, but he fell on his azz last night....


Watching Hanratty trying to spin it was almost as bad.

I’m all for the Don also but was disappointed in last nights debate. You need to let your opponent hang himself and then kick the chair out. Ed k

RWE, where the heck did you go? Anyone know?

.......................Regardless of any opinions about last nights debate, Trump imo did not lose any voters and Biden likely gained a few. 2 more presidential debates scheduled? Trump just about 100% of the time since his presidency began has had to defend himself and go on pure offense, time after time and time after time some more. It has become a habit with him which carried over into last nights debate. Trump needs to shut up AND THEN counter punch after LYIN BIDEN has his two minutes.

Biden, a very smooth talker last night with little to no gaffes, LIED through his teeth on every subject.

you almost gotta wonder if trump is in on this horror/science fiction nightmare US in going thru. he could have annihilated biden but chose not to. WTF?

What got me is that every time Biden started to say something Trump would interrupt. Even I can see that if he would have let Biden keep talking Biden would have screwed himself.
Biden still looked and acted like a dumb ass, but he could have showed us his ignorance and dementia if Donald would have let him.

It was hard to watch but I only got 20 min of it because From the start I saw Biden lying the same old lies, not answering questions — not that I remember any more than one that was not a lob — and making character attacks on Trump (liar, clown...).

But a huge part of the problem was Chris Wallace.

And who makes up the one-sided questions? Wallace? The commission? Can’t we find a moderator that isn’t a Demo- enabler?

Spot-on.

Trump, in any situation, isn’t going to not speak up when somebody next to him is spewing lies about him.

Exactly. If we wanted somebody who was gonna do nothing, we could've nominated Romney again. Or Jethro Bush.

Yes, but if divulged the 'possums from hell' will be released.

Wallace picked the subjects and made up the questions plus helped Joe from being annihilated by Trump.

Good point.

Ak-, if true that’s my point. For starters, how does a bipartisan committee not do this? If Wallace, he embarrassed himself and damaged his credibility. And it’s on Fox also..

Trump was a victim of the moderator who limited his responses, limited the subject matter, and who allowed Biden to not answer the one significant question he was asked.

IDK, I'm sort of reassessing my thought on the debate. Seems like a Trump Rope-A-Dope to me now. Trump got Slow Joe to disavow the Green New Deal ...even though he is on record (on his website) as supporting it. Either you do or don't. One side loses. Same for Antifa. You know, it's an idea not a group! Right. Seems like Trump was driving a wedge between Biden's "followers". Might just work.

Agreed.