When did this pop Up? See brass and factory ammo, but where are the rifles and other info?

Lots of custom rifle builders chamber it. People wanting a little more velocity ( than the 6.5 ) to go along with high ballistic coefficient bullets.

Typical rifle loonies. Neck it down and throw some more powder behind it.........

Sounds like the .243 reinvented.... ?

6.5/.284 is the way to go. lol

duplicates the 243 with a bit less powder and probably better throat life and less trimming......and works better in short actions and semi autos with the long match bullets

All things equal 243 will still outrun the 6 creed when both are being pushed. Especially with heavier bullets. Only real advantage I see is OAL and mag restraints. Gotta resize and trim anyway. Brass is readily available for a 243 and lapua makes brass for it too. Creedmore is hornady's fancy abbreviation for "-250". I have not owned a 6 creed, but have been looking at it pretty hard over the past year. Decided to stay wih my 243 vanilla and 6br lapua as no major benefit over what I already have. Just my opinion. I guess for a competition shooter the benefit could add up, but it doesn't reinvent the wheel

It does reinvent the wheel..... For retarded rifle manufacturers to offer a 6mm with the correct twist rate.

Ok. I will give you that one. I wasn't thinking much about factory rifles with my comment. Although a 9.25 twist isn't all that terrible for a factory 243. It's just that 8 twist is that much better. My model 7 243 shoots 95nbt, and 95vld into nice groups. I have yet to try the 105 vld in it though due to twist. My 6br is a 8 twist, and 105 vld and Amax go into extremely tiny groups with it. 1/2 moa to 500 yards is norm for it. My 7 will soon have a #2 hart in a 8 twist but I will probably continue to shoot 95nbt as it performs so dang well on everything I shoot with it. I have a thing for 6mm's I guess

Ruger will likely have something in 6mm Creed in 2017. They seem to share the same bed with Hornady when it comes to dreaming up new calibers and rifle to chamber them in. If I were to bet, I'd say a Ruger American rifle in 6mm Creed will be popping up soon.

OK educate me. What was Rem 243 twist in my early 70's rifle , and what "should" it have been? I'm thinking a 6mm should easily shoot sub MOA?

Mine shoots 1.5- 1.75 MOA free-floated, with factory ammo, also with the several hand loads I tried several years ago. Didn't shoot any better wearing the unmodified factory stock, tho it wears a home-whittle now. I recently tried some fore-end tip pressure (folded grocery receipt, and found it WILL shoot certain factory loads sub MOA. Or it did that session. Fed 80 gr, & Hornady Whitetail 100 gr. And one it won't. Rem 95 gr Accutip., which didn't shoot any better with the bore cleaned, everything else left unchanged.

Now I just have to get it bedded with the right pressure....and choose the right ammo...

Be it noted that over the 40 years I've owned it, the rifle has killed everything I attempted with it - moose, bear, sheep, caribou - with those crappy groupings. But still.....

I have no clue the twist in your rifle. Remington will though!! You could also use the cleaning rod trick to check it yourself. Twist is also based upon need. For big game and other things requiring heavier bullets 8-9 twist is what you need. For varmint a 10 works well. I shoot deer and targets. So 8 is my preference

What absolute horse shyt ! There are tons of good deer weight bullets that'll shoot just fine out of the standard factory 10 twist .243. My 10 twist Tikka shoots sub MOA with 100 gr. Hornady interlock, 95 gr SST's, 100 gr Sierra pro hunter, 100 gr core lokt's, 100 gr Federal power shoks {factory} and 85 gr Sierra BTHP Gamekings. Geezus most of us don't give a rats azz about shooting high BC target bullets at flies in outer space and are fine with doing a little bit of hunting before we pull the trigger.

What will they think of next

Shhhhhhhhhhhh.....

I'm really hoping they bring this to market.

8 twist or tighter
good brass

And hopefully, Kimber puts it in their Hunter. I'd buy that in a heartbeat.

Calm down a little killer. Nobody said it was mandatory. Not sure why your up in arms. First off my 243 is a model 7 9.25 twist. Not exactly shooting it to outer space at flies with high bc bullets. How about deer at under 200 with a 95nbt.

Hate to burst your little bubble but a 8 or 9 twist does everything the 10 twist does and even more. Few concessions need made. I am sure that many of the 10 twist do just fine, I simply posed the mere fact that 8-9 twist barrels leave more options for big game and target shooting. Which seems to be what is discussed most on this forum isn't it? So GFY

Maybe they will make one in the Predator. I would love to have one to match my 6.5. If nothing else but to play with since I have a crap load of 6mm bullets.
If I go to throw a rifle in my truck it's hard not to reach for my RAP it shoots nearly as good as my custom and the 1.5# Timney completes the package.

10 twist will shoot 95 nbt's just fine too you ignorant little prick.

I'm sure it does, and no where did I say that it didn't. You came into this conversation all to hell from the word go. I on the other hand did not and would have loved a friendly discussion with you about it. Insted of maybe being a little friendly and making your statement you went on a rant attacking me with your comment. No where did I say anything about long range hunting, but you inferred that I did. So not quite sure why your being such a dick

On the other hand the 6 creedmore is a long range hunting/competition round by design first and foremost. That's the only place it has any advantage over the 243 isn't it??

Why would I want a 10 twist over a 8 or 9 twist? What advantage would there be? Why don't you attempt to answer that one. Good luck

That's why the twist for the 243 "should" be 8-9 cause the above question doesn't have a logical answer (other than for spinning light bullets faster for say varmint maybe?!?)

Have you ever heard of the 244 Remington? if not maybe you should educate yourself on it and you will understand this discussion a little better. It died because of being spun to slow in factory chambers. They renamed it the 6mm Remington and spun it 9 twist to stabilize heavier bullets. Not my fault tikka spun your barrel to slow.

I'd likely have to buy a 6mm Creed RAR Predator if they turned one out with a 1-8" twist.

The 244 Remington was spun 1-12 not 1-10 and therefore could generally not stabilize pointed bullets of more than 90 grains as originally introduced. The 243 was spun 1-10 by Winchester from the get go so as to stabilize the 100 grain pointed deer bullets it was originally introduced with. Aside from the abnormally long, high BC target bullets there remain very few hunting bullets that won't properly stabilize out of a 10" twist.

problem was it was not spun for what the shooting community wanted or needed

my rem 788 6mm is a 1-12 and it shoot excellent with 70gr bullets.most groups are .5. it will also shoot 1inch groups with 100gr bullets.anything heavier you can forget.the gun was rebarreled to a varmint weight bullet and i use it for varmint hunting most of the time instead of deer.

we have a local gunsmith that loves most 6.5 calibers but he says he wouldn't own a creedmore. he says everyone he's built wouldn't shoot very well.

Kinda tells a story don't it.

And yet the .243 remains a huge seller for Winchester, Browning, Weatherby, Tikka/Sako, Thompson Center, Mossberg and others, all with 1-10 twist. There is a reason for that and I'd bet it's that not one in 100 .243 owners gives a rats azz about shooting bullets that won't stabilize out of a 10 twist.

I actually wish that the 6 Creed would be speced with a 7 twist barrel.

That way when the bullet makers push the envelope with 115 grain projectiles, the gun will still be able to spin them.

For guys with custom rifles and handloads it doesn't really matter.

I love the 243 but if you could buy 105 bthp's for $25 a box for 7/8 twist 6creeds otc(coppercreek already loads) it would be a great option to have.

Bull S**t ! I have yet to read a post here, or elsewhere, stating that the 6.5 Creedmoor did not shoot well. And that includes custom builds and off the rack RAR, Howa's, Kimber's, and Savages.

Stay away from whatever it is he's smokin', 'cuz it's some wacky chit.

At my range, all the 6.5 Creeds are in the hands of young guys with hipster haircuts.

To act my age, I have to shoot a cartridge from when I was young, the 7mmRemMag.

My new signature.

Well...I'm old school so I'll stick with the .308 Win! When I really want to go back....I pick up the '06!

Can't wear 'hipster'! Damn aircraft props blew all my hair off!!

I think the 6mm Creed was developed to please the PRS crowd. Probably one of the winningest cartridges right now. Must be easy to get to shoot and brass must last good. I almost went that route on a gun I am building right now but decided to go with 6-6.5Lapua instead.

Now you're making me feel old.... ......

Pretty obvious who has dabbled in the 105s.

Time to find a new gunsmith.

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If anyone cares, current Ruger .243s are twisted 1-9, which ought to handle any hunting bullets. Reloader 26 adds maybe 100fps for 100gr bullets, which is nice. Case trimming is a pain, but since it's a deer rifle for me, not a target or generally a varmint round, I can live with it. If I ever re-barrel mine, I'll think about the CR, the XC, or maybe the AI.

What a factory rifle in 6 Creedmoor would offer would be the exact thing many of us have spent a lot of money to get via a new barrel. And that's the ability to shoot a 105 Scenar, Berger, or Amax. The ability to shoot those bullets puts the .243 on an entirely new level for both the hunter and the target shooter.

I already have a 105 shooting 243AI in the safe that has killed a mountain of bucks via 105s, but if I didn't, I'd be all over a 6 Creed.

Be a fun rifle to shoot.

i've seen many guns he has built that shot great. he's been in business for 50years or so.he flat out loves the 260 and the 6.5x55sw.i have not shot a creedmore and i have shot most other 6.5's and i like them.everytime i'm in his shop and anyone brings up the creedmore he says its the worst of the 6.5's. i haven't heard much bad about any of the 6.5 caliber other then him.

I was thinking more along the lines that he has a crappy reamer.

What we really need is a 25 Creedmoor. Oh, wait...

When did JKOB move to Virginia?

ummm it needs to be a standard ar 10 chambering.

That would be perfect.

I've been considering a 99 Savage chambered for the 25 Creedmoor........possibly be a pretty sweet little package.

A 30 CM would be cutting edge in a handy little 99.

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+2

+4.

The Creedmoor is the "worst of the 6.5s"???

That gunsmith is old and too cheap to buy a shiny new reamer, but yet still wants to get business. Move on quickly, as the next thing will be his turnaround times end up at years instead of weeks.

I'm hoping it's the RPR. They used to make it in .243 with a 7.7 twist. Maybe the reason they dropped the .243 last year is because they planned on going to the 6 creed. I have no interest in the 6.5, but if Ruger does chamber the RPR in 6 creed, it will be my first chassis rifle.