25% that aren't are mostly northern European descent

https://authoritynutrition.com/is-dairy-bad-or-good/

had no idea

Is lactose eating the Urth? Does anyone know for sure?

How about allergic to peanuts?

Gus, if Fireball catches you high-jacking his ID he is going to be pissed!

So much for tolerance and diversity. We should immediately create safe places for lactose.

90% of the world needs a 5 gal. cold water enema!

Bud Light as a substitute ?

The poor bastardos that dont have access to a milk cow eat fish bones for calcium.

I would rather drink milk.

I'm almost 52 and I still drink the living hell out of milk. I'm blonde and blue and come from a family of blonde and blue Germans.

My wife has become lactose intolerant since I started visiting the .223 AI thread so much.

I need to look that up. Is it really true?

Sure. We were the ones who originally domesticated farm animals, to include dairy animals like goats and cows. Before that occurred, all humans had something like a 1 in 100 chance (or less) to possess the gene that permits milk digesting beyond childhood. Once drinking milk or eating cheese became possible, it was an avenue by which those few had a survival advantage during periods of famine. Gradually, famine after famine (eliminating huge numbers of those who didn't have this survival advantage, and thus nearly eliminating the genetic characteristic among Europeans), the percentage of Europeans who had the gene increased over those who don't to the point that almost all Europeans have it.

75% might be intolerant but they wad in ice cream like a bunch of hungry dogs, people in grocery store so fuggin fat they can't even push a cart but ride in those motor chairs loaded with fuggin ice cream!!!

Interesting, I'm of Northern European descent and love milk, cheese, butter and all things lactose

No milk/icecream in this house, kids were sick all the time with ear infections and stomach issue's until we dumped milk and immediatly felt better, my IBS cleared up instantly. We still eat cheese in moderation and doesn't seem to affect us in the same way.

...and of course, Gluten.

I thought I was going lactose intolerant. I could enjoy cheese and ice cream, but not milk. It turns out that I was reacting to the growth hormones in milk. When we switched to a hormone-free dairy (that delivers!) I immediately found relief.

My VA nutritionist says that a portion of dairy products in the morning can help reduce weight. I don't know how that works, but I'm delighted to oblige! Half a pint of milk, half a cup of non-fat yogurt, or some cheese.

By the way, try some Oikos Triple Zero yogurt. That stuff is fantastic. No fat, no sugar, and no artificial sweeteners. But great flavor. Mix in a heaping spoonful of GrapeNuts and a few berries and you have a really nice light breakfast.

with you 673 dump the slop and feel great!!

Because the bullchit pasteurized/homogenized store bought milk has had the 'lactase' boiled and killed, lactase allows the ability to digest the lactose, we drink full fat [other than what Wifey takes from the top] straight from the cow milk here and have all my life.

Real hen eggs, real homemade butter for life too, total cholesterol a few weeks ago when labs were studied was 169, BP 126/72, pulse 68 bpm, blood sugar 99, blood oxygen 99, pda? 1.1, I may fall over today, but the real stuff is NOT bad for you.

The real stuff is more better. My mom never had use for oleo when real butter was available. As mom always said 'everything in moderation'

Yup, 'cept I probably average eating 5/6 eggs daily, they're good anytime.

I'm an egg eating fool too.

I read a study that says lactose tolerance is a mutation. Obviously it has been very beneficial to the dairy industry in lots of countries.

only real butter and whole milk in our house

My wife and I aren't that big on milk (butter is another story) but my two teenage kids go thru about 4 gallons a week and a half gallon of French Vanilla ice cream if I buy the good stuff.

when we just had our first I read that babies need a higher fat intake for developing brains so we started buying the organic whole milk until it became about a $30 week habit when the second one turned 2.

I'm not convinced that milk is all that great for you as an adult but the kids love it.

In order for me to enjoy banana cream pie I have to eat a lactose pill. So I usually go for lemon meringue pie.

You haven't tasted good milk until you've had to shake it up before pouring a glass. Homemade butter is likewise much better than the schitt wrapped up in cubes.
As far as the lactose intolerance??? I'm not buying it...if anything it's probably a reaction to hormones or antibiotics in the milk.

I grew up on raw milk and butter...........

Haven't had a glass of white milk since dad got rid of Susie, bout 40 years ago........ she was an ornery old cow.... but she gave good milk.

The Vikings got around......

This was covered in Snatch..

I love a big glass of milk with pizza or a hamburger. I'd die without milk.

You guys are boviphobes.

In almost all mammals, the enzymes needed to break down milk, are prevalent in babies only, for obvious biological reasons. As the baby gets older, the body no longer produces those enzymes.
Very few countries where adults drink milk, mainly USA and some Northern European. For some strange reason, lots of us can still digest milk protein.

The only time I like milk is with a big stack on pancakes that's been smothered in maple syrup,..and then it's got to be ice cold.

The rest of the time I leave it alone.

I used to drink a lot of it when I was a kid, but I hardly ever touch the stuff these days.

If that could be made to taste like bacon and eggs you'd be onto something!

I drink tea,...unsweetened,...by the gallons.

Or a glass of cold milk and a tomato sandwich. Yum.

My wife drinks about 2 glasses of milk a year.

BeIng bothered by regular milk sugar is not uncommon. Lactase i believe its called.

Buy some Lactaid brand milk and it solves most problems. Its still fortified with the necessary vitamins.

Word of caution: I have never been able to go back
To regular milk since starting the Lactaid.

Its powerfully sweet, and then the reaction on top.

Yes! No better way to ruin either of them than pairing them with beer. (It has its place, but not with either of them.)

I cannot stand the taste of milk "fresh from the cow", especially warm.

Lactase persistence has apparently arisen in the human population in at least four different locations in the last 10,000 years.

Some populations which are now positive for lactase persistence appear to have lacked the contributing gene as recently as 6 to 7 thousand years ago.

It is an interesting subject, the everchanging genome of the human species.

that's just silly talk.

Oh, man. That is the one (and only) thing I miss about milking cows.
Grab a tall 16 oz SS tumbler. Sqeeze it full, straight from the teat. Suck the foam off the top of the glass.

Milk will never taste the same again, as it does in that first ten seconds after the cow. As the best of the aromatics quickly dissapate.

I an a Central Europe guy, and we always eat dairy. Milk, yogurt, kefir, buttermilk, sour cream, cottage cheese,feta cheese, and all the food that contains these things. I doubt that we have less that a dozen different cheeses in the fridge at any time.

....back yer leg.....

nestle your head in the hollow between belly and thigh....grab a pair and go to it.......

Yum is a slice of chocolate cake crammed into a glass...covered in milk and eaten with a spoon. All of my cookies get dunked before eating...

What he said. It was a genetic adaptation among northern europeans to better adapt to survival in the north, much like blue eyes and fair skin. It's evolution in action.

I'm just thankful my ancestors happened to be northern european because I absolutely love milk. I'd sure hate to not be able to tolerate it.

So, to you, if I drink mile I must wad (?) in ice cream like a hungry dog and am so fugging fat..."

God, you're ignorant.

Best use for it.

Norwegians in your genetic "wood pile"..?

A good friend hunted in AK, had a native buddy who got him into some areas gringos don't usually see. This native was half Ruskie.

Friend noticed some light skinned Natives, asked about their origin, was told they're "Coast Guard". Reportedly the Norwegian Coast Guard did some work up there and left their "mark"...

So, maybe German/"Coast Guard"...

DF

Even the majority (60%) of southern Italians can digest milk and cheese. Southern Europeans are, for the most part, descended from Northern Europeans (who came down and first occupied the lands south of the Alps and Pyrenees after the passing of the ice age cleared the valleys for southward travel), with some non-European admixtures due to having been conquered at various times by non-Eurpeans, e.g., Sicily was at one time a possession of the Ottoman Empire, thus a substantial minority (40%) of Sicilians have lactose intolerance. Being half Sicilian and half Northern European (Scottish/Irish/Welsh/English), I had about a 20% chance of being lactose intolerant. Glad I fell on that 80% chance side, because I too love milk and cheese. I drink about a gallon and half a week of milk, and snack on cheese daily.

Drank milk as a kid, never really liked it...if I drink it now within a short period of time I will have the most violent, explosive case of the schitts you can imagine. Wife is the same way. Soft cheeses do it to her as well but we both like and don't seem to be bothered by old cheddar and other hard cheeses.

Our boys, 14 and 15, go through 3 - 4 gallons of mild a week. Standing orders at our house: anybody goes to the store for any reason, get a gallon of milk.

I find people who lack toes boring after helping them up the third time.

I just had a glass of chocolate milk - where you pour Hershey's syrup into the milk after reading this thread

I am going to look into this. at about 18 or so years old I developed lactose intolerance. It doesnt stop me from eating pizza or putting milk in my cereal or having ice crea. I freaking LOVE a cold glass of milk. But I get massive gas. I can live with it. Soft cheeses can rip me up to cramps and the runs, but milk and hard cheeses will usually be fine unless I go on a full blown cow drippin bender.

I am going to check out the growth hormone angle. Wont be too difficult to isolate that.

As for your nutritionist with ideas on how to lose weight, cut carbs and eat a big breakfast of proteins and fats and high fiber complex carbs. Bed time extremely high fiber snacks.

eat protein and fat, and cut carbs out to every extent possible (except for fibers).

When I do that I shed weight like an ... well I shed weight really really fast and very easily. There's no magic to it. Jst stop eating sugars and simple carbs and eaet other stuff and you wil shed weight.

Thanks on the milk hormone tip.

I can't remember the last time I drank milk. I do not like eggs and rarely eat butter. I do like a hunk of cheese though, usually Asiago, Parmesan or Romano. My wife has started me on plain yogurt with fruit and a bit of granola which I am enjoying.

jmho
most of the food allergies these days is from the
switch we did from real cane sugar to corn syrup
and hfcs. it's not better in any way other than it's
cheaper for manufacturers to use. that, and a generation
or two of lazy single moms raising their kids on a
diet of macaroni and cheese and ramens.
my maternal grandma was raised in the country and
they grew and raised everything they ate and she used
salt and sugar liberally and straight tobacco when
she was young. unfortunately, she was taken from us
too soon at the age of 95.
she would fall over on the ground and laugh a stroke
at the thought of someone paying money these days to
walk or run around a track or pick up heavy weights.
that was day to day s.o.p in the country, a lot of
it before the sun came up decent

Eat that yogurt up Ed, it's good for your bones and guts, Wifey makes herself homemade yogurt from raw cows milk, she also makes granola with raw honey and a lot of other whole grains, she cooks blueberries down to a thick syrup to go with it all too.

Good stuff!

When I took Biology in college the Prof. said most people lose the enzyme needed to properly digest Lactose at around 15. I asked what happens if you keep eating and drinking it. He said "You'll fart"

Sign me up for the chocolate whole milk....

I've got your lactose intolerance, check this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EY7lYRneHc

I love all things dairy.

I can chug a quart of buttermilk faster than the most avid beer drinkers can down a beer.

I don't know about this northern European thing. Not saying it's wrong, but the Masai drink a lot of cow's milk. Maybe the trick is they mix it with blood.

That sounds like a German porn flick.

You would be my go-to on that subject, my friend.

I'm Northern European and just washed a piece of chocolate cake down with a big glass of fresh lactose. We buy our milk fresh from the local dairy rather than suffer the homogenized, pasteurized crap. My wife had sensitivities to lactose first thing in the morning. If she had milk or yogurt shortly after waking up it would upset her stomach and make her nauseous. After switching to raw milk she has zero sensitivities and can drink milk or eat yogurt first thing after waking. It also cured our sons' hay fever, eliminating the need for Claritin, etc.

A good bit of that issue is simply a lack of exposure. If something is unneeded, our systems often cease producing it. Start gradually on small does of something like lactose, and the engines will kick into gear. Hit with a heavy overdose, and something else in our systems will exploit it.

See my prior post.

Lactase is the enzyme which allows us to digest lactose.
Lactase persistance is the name of the genetic condition which allows the body to produce lactase through adulthood.

The gene for lactase persistance has appeared several times in human evolution. Several places have been identified at this time where this gene has appeared.

Two seperatate genes exist in African populations, each of which confer lactase persistance. This indicates that this ability evolved in two seperate places and times in Africa alone.

about as disgusting as those spare tire lard-tards that ride electric golf carts for 18 holes, then swoosh down gallons of beer at the 19th.




Sorry its Greek style yogurt for me, which is about 3x the milk fat content of regular yogurt.

Most folks intolerance runs a lot deeper than lactose, they are just to blind to see it.
Lie to themselves and others, that they not.

I like milk a lot, always have.

M_Miner I think you are on to something. Myself plus a couple of my siblings are allergic to milk products. One sis went to OZ land and all they have where she was was dairy. She found out she can use it but their cows get nothing but grass no shot and all that stuff. Upon returning to the USA reactions started up. Conclusion its not the milk but all the additives to the cows and the milk products.
Cheers NC

If one is lactose intolerant, the enzyme is available. If ordered from the cursed Amazon, free sipping may be available too!
Eat your ice cream!

Hey gunreader it goes like this! S I L says to wife "how can you guys lose wight and keep it off" wife dosent respond, I say " well we don't eat a gravy boat full of ice cream every night might have something to do with it"

Ok. I admit to pouring about two fingers of whipping cream into my glass of milk. I love the stuff. Dunno if I'm intolerant, don't really care.

I get the trots worse from the cheap azz beer I drink.

Ive been drinking only raw, local, whole milk, too, for about ten years now. I can hardly stand the taste of grocery store milk anymore. Tastes cooked to me.

Spent three weeks with a missionary in Kenya a number of years ago. He had worked with the Masai in the villages. His version of the story was milk + blood + cow urine. Then let it ferment. He claimed the hardest part of drinking it was getting past the smell...

Wifey drinks that after a 26 mile marathon, and many times after training here at home, she says it's much, much better than sports drinks.