With a CC you can kiss the Bill of Rights goodbye.

As I recall, from back in the 80s, I think, the main reason that we would need one would be so that people can knowingly throw around the term "ConCon", like it was some sort of burlesque dance or something, to show that they are really up on it.

Absolutely.

The original Constitution was written by men who had just gone through a revolution and had literally put their own lives on the line to choose liberty over security.

A constitutional convention today would be made up of politicians representing people who would sell every pound of liberty they have in the vain hope of receiving a few ounces of security.

The Bill of Rights has already been mitigated. It is under constant attack by the federal judicial that does not agree with the constitution as it was penned. It is under constant attack by the various federal agencies that have no oversight and are therefore able to circumvent the constitution and the Bill of Rights at will. It is under attack by people of both parties that are drunk with power and truly believe that an overreaching government akin to socialism is the only path forward. Those that do not believe in the constitution as it was written and daily work to get around it and disregard the things they do not like and insert the things they do like. Article five justly states that we the people are able through our various states to put things right again and reinforce the constitution as it was intended by the founders.

Yep, when you start that convention, you open it for changes.
And not just the ones you may like.

So, you guys think the Rs in congress would bow to dimocraps without fear of being voted out? No way. They will do anything possible to stay in office.

Glad our founders werent such chicken littles. They risked their lives, not a nation in its death throws.

How long do you guys think we have with millions of brainwashed, socialist kids entering voting age every year. The soon to be brown shirts will be marching this weekend with the demise of your lifestyle in mind.

The original Constitution was written with the underlying principle that power corrupts and absolutely power corrupts absolutely and that no human can be trusted with too much power, so it does everything possible to mitigate that power and keep it from being concentrated in the hands of too few.

The Founding Fathers foresight was 20/20 since everyone in power since then has tried to garner more power into their own hands.

The lying, self serving, greedy, scum sucking, perverse pieces of shi*t that occupy Washington (and have for a lot longer than any of us or our great great grandparents have been alive) would rewrite the constitution to inscribe their life long absolute power over their subjects in stone.

a constitutional convention would NOT be letting the fox into the hen house, it WOULD BE LETTING IN A PACK OF WOLVES!

the constitution is not in need of revision, it just needs to be followed. kinda like the 10 commandments .

"You say you'll change the Constitution
Well you know
We all want to change your head.
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You'd better free your mind instead."

If we dont change it, we are toast. We could probably get legislators to agree to term limits in each position with the stipulation it would only apply to those who follow them in office.

Gimme a break. That doesn't require a CC, not even an amendment.

Newt Gingrich tried to get that passed when he was speaker. No way would the Congress go along.

Would still have to be ratified by 3/4 of the states. Also all states would only get one vote each in the convention. Unless the convention tried to change the rules.

Be interesting what powers the three branches would try to give themselves to control oversee any such convention. Especially the courts.

Interesting article on the risks of a CC..

https://www.cbpp.org/research/state...nvention-on-balanced-budget-amendment-or

No way do I want a new Constitutional Convention. Every read about that first one? A long, hot summer in Philly, and a difficult job getting something that you could get by 13 states, much less 50.

No, I don't want the Hispanics demanding an amendment for open borders, nor do I want them striking the 2nd Amend. I don't want an Equal Rights Amendment for the Feminazis and LGBT crowd to shoe horn in their injustices and retributional payback. I don't want to fight the abortion battle and animal rights.

Anyone who wants a new CC is thinking that ONLY those with conservative values in line with the original constitution would be heard and get the job done. More than likely, the opposite would occur.

Not necessarily. Every proposed amendment that comes out of it must be ratified by 34 states. This is by states, not by population. Say there's one to abolish the 2d Amendment. It needs to be ratified by 34 states and it's highly unlikely that you could get anywhere near that many. Idaho's pure red vote carries the same weight as Calif's pure blue vote and there are a lot of small red states.

It is my understanding that once a constitutional convention is convened anything and everything is fair game. The constitution and all our freedoms are at the mercy of those in power at the convention. I for one do not trust anyone with my constitutional rights. A constitutional convention isa very bad idea.

You need to read up on it some more.

1. If you have an article 5 convention of the states, you would need a super majority of state legislatures to lose any constitutional rights you have now.

2. The ONLY way you will EVER get term limits is for the states to impose it in such a convention. You will NEVER EVER get term limits if you let DC decide that.

3. Calling a convention of the states sets a precedence that the people are taking back some of the power from DC whether they like it or not.

The bottom line is that the framers of the Constitution created the avenue of an article 5 convention of the states for this very situation we have found ourselves in today. They hoped we would never need to use it but it is in there as a measure of last resort over an over powerful, centralized federal government that has lost it's way. and has usurped far too much power from the states.

Upon further research it appears Congress must convene a convention of states if a supermajority of states request it and it must be requested for specific reason or reasons. Constitutional scholars disagree on whether or not the stated reasons are the only subjects that can be addressed. If I had the authority to decide the subject matter, I would be all for it. If you have the authority to decide the subject matter, I would not be in favor. I use the word you as all inclusive meaning anyone other than me. Not singling out any one person.

This^^^, and thanks Peddler.

I was in error earlier. I said that takes 34 states to ratify. Actually, it's 75% or 38 states. It takes 34 states to call a convention.

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

Note that nothing here specifies that a convention is limited to the purpose for which it's called. The convention is called for proposing amendments so I'd say that anything can be proposed.

The foremost expert:

I like both of these two guys.

However, when it comes to assembling a CC...my gut says "be carefull what you ask for...you just might get it."

We don't need a CC, we need to remove ANY and ALL restrictions the .gov has placed on the Bill of Rights.

Yeah. Maybe after Trump has been re-elected and the major swamp dwellers are gone.

Jag. My old friend. What is needed, you don't want! None of us want! Trust me.


But that is what it is going to take.

The question of the unknown facts of slavery came up here the other day. Well, many are slaves to the stratolounger! Necessary actions cannot be conducted from an armchair.

Ha. Thats why i would want to try the CC - first.

It is a convention of the states not a constitutional convention...There is a big difference.

Article V

i would not trust that group of kocksuckers to wash my car, let alone redo the constitution. R's, D's, all the same anymore and none of them have the best interests of 90% of this country in mind.

fuggin eh

I wonder if thats why we will have the tribulation.

We have nothing to fear but the crap coming if we do nothing, and make no mistake, its coming.

A convention of states is probably the only way to implement the changes that need to be made but politicians will not undertake. A balanced budget amendment, term limits and other things that have been mentioned. Problem is it has never been done before and even those who study these things don't know what might happen. Be careful. Be very careful.

Looks like Hillary and Soros are dead set against it. Huummmm.

Sounds to me like great conservitive constitutionalists support it.

If a constitutional conservative is for it and Soros the Nazi is against it then I’m all for it. 😉

yeah, like a dying man is when contemplating trying a new experimental cancer medicine, after all, the crap could kill him.
Then he wouldnt get to gradually waste away and suffer like hell while begging for a gun with one bullet.

Another thing that I think that makes this a strategic decision is that the libs are gaining more and more of the popular vote. And, they are trying to infiltrate red states anywhere they can. For now, the biggest advantage we have is the fact that, even though they control more population centers, we control more states. An article 5 convention of the states is one of the only ways for us the leverage that unique advantage. There is near zero chance the libs could get anything they want needing to get a super majority of the state legislatures. But there is a chance we could get some things we want that would be essentially impossible given the situation in DC. With the libs spreading like locusts around the country, I honestly don't know how long we could exploit this unique advantage that we have.

Spot on and thanks, Peddler.

We are only afforded this small window of oppurtunity where previous blue states have gone for Trump, thus giving patriots an oppurtunity for a convention of states to succeed in shoring up our constitution.

Most here are too comfortable to risk that and, unfortunately, are too stupid to see this is our last legal, peaceful recourse, which is why the conservative brainiacs are pushing it.

Someone on another thread talked about the fact that if the Dims run a Castro bro from San Antonio the state of Texas would go blue. Unfortunately they didnt then proceed to connect the dots. The truth is the entire country would be screwed, blued and tatooed, and we would never live to see another onservative as POTUS.

Why? There are enough electorial votes in California and Texas to rule the country. It wouldnt matter wth anyone elses vote does or how their state goes.

We are but a few mexican dimocrap votes away from giving the US away. We are the modern day Pompei before the volcano changed things forever in the blink of an eye.

We talk about how tough we are and how the bastids will pay if they come to take our guns away and all the while we are too gutless to take a chance and vote for a change.

Let me tell you this, buds. They arent worried about how the hell tough you think you are. All they want is the electorial votes from Texas.

They have the guys who will, whether you are dead or alive, take your guns from you. Hitler did too.

Jaguar,

you dirty handed phlebotomist!

why is Trump pushing all the Puerto Ricans to Florida? So they can vote for President? If he had a lick of sense he would be rebuilding PR, so they would stay home and not be able to vote. How many voting Puerto Ricans would it take to flip Florida? How many electoral votes there?

Pure genius. Bidness Genius. Ya know, the 3-D chess kind.

Maybe he's too busy golfing.

Sycamore

Ha. As a typical, gutless, pos dimocrap you would rather slander someone with lying, to try to further your illegitimate agenda than be proven such by putting your money where your cheap bull [bleep] mouth is rather than back it up as a man.

Do you not realize what a fool you are proving yourself to be to others on the Fire.

Ha. Bet me $5000 as to whether or not i am a fleabottomist or Dr.

I didnt think so. Now back your gutless, lying (which you made yourself to be) ass back unter the rock you lieberals crawl out from.

PS. Let me know if you want to put your $ where your mouth is and who you want to hold our money.

Thanks for reminding us again why we need a convention of states, btw.

I see nothing's changed here. How you been Jag?

Doing good, Mog. Nice to see you post again and i hope you stick around and post more often.

Hope you and yours are doing well. Thanks for the shout.

Yea, really don't want New York, New Jersey, Maryland, well hell, any of the northeast, or California there.

Not my place I know, but there is one thing you need to keep in mind when opening such a subject..."politicians are not your friend and will shaft you whenever it suits them".

That is my experience.

The federal government constantly strives to usurp more power for itself. It's prime function is to grow and control our citizens from cradle to grave and it's doing a splendid job of it. Any constitutional republic's only hope of surviving is for it's citizenry to keep informed and engaged in it's governance. Socialism's converts strive to make the populace dependent on government for their survival.

Everyone has skin in the game whether we know it or not. People are inherently selfish and cliquish. They tend to not be concerned about anyone else's freedom or plight. They will fight to protect their own nest at the expense of everyone else's. The urban mobs that do not shoot tend to believe that it is good to take everyone else's right to own a firearm away because it doesn't affect them personally. Slowly we are being controlled by the large urban areas as more and more people are drawn to social programs that devour freedom and enslave the populace. Education is being subverted to the point that even home school can be corrupted.

I have always tried to get people I am involved with to become involved in oversight of their elected officials. Truth is too many are happy to let things rock along as they are and where has that got us. Politics is a money game and it is becoming more and more financially dependent. The media plays a huge roll in determining who gets elected. Witness the Roy Moore election.

We can't fix all the ills we have contracted but we can have an article five convention and put some of the power back to the states and make the federal judicial subject to term limits. We suffer greatly by legislators and judges that serve beyond their capabilities to make sound judgements. Mark Levin makes the argument for the convention and he was the first to make the case. As a constitutional scholar he makes a good argument for it.

Which is why we need to take power from them and Uh, federal judges who by edict make law also.

Do you guys live in fear or listen to those pushing this? They are not accepting that there is a risk to the 2A if it is done properly. Dont you think if it would jeapordize the 2A the progressives and Hillary, Pelosi and Schumer would be all for it? You think 3/4 of the states would ratify taking the 2ND away?

Exactly. This is what so many either ignore or are unaware of. A CC does NOT have to include legislators, either, and in fact it should not. Each state would choose and send a delegation and those people would be accountable to their states. Without a doubt we have the best Constitution the world has ever seen, but it has been compromised by wicked courts. This would be an opportunity to shore it up and add in those things we now find necessary. Ratification by 34 states insures it would not be blue state dominated but red state dominated, and they number of red states largely exceeds blue states which are more populous. That gives conservatives a far better chance than it would hoping to get these changes made through legislation, which in many cases is impossible.

Jaguar,

you dirty handed phlebotomist!

why is Trump pushing all the Puerto Ricans to Florida? So they can vote for President? If he had a lick of sense he would be rebuilding PR, so they would stay home and not be able to vote. How many voting Puerto Ricans would it take to flip Florida? How many electoral votes there?

Pure genius. Bidness Genius. Ya know, the 3-D chess kind.

Maybe he's too busy golfing.

Sycamore

Yep. Objective thinking and speaking English goes a long ways in understanding the purpose and goals.




Convention of States

All I really need to know is that the who's who of Liberal tyrants don't want an Article V convention- there's several reasons why.

If all were as smart as you, we wouldnt be having this discussion. You mean you dont think we should turn the US House of Reps over to the Jellos of the US and give up your guns just because Trump messed up?

Well, what a novel idea. Most, unfortunately, feel we should drop trou and bend over the barrel for Paddlers and LRoys buds.