Why would God lower Himself to create an earthly image of himself that would by design fail?

One would not need a solution if the problem had not been allowed to manifest.

God could still have been 100% satisfied in his perfect existence prior to creation of any beings

......(hopefully Gus is around)...

Various spiritual teaching say man is the tiny spark of the great divine eternal flame, and when he
overcomes his cloaks of ignorance (ceases to suffer due to separation from God ) will effectively rejoin the flame as ONE.

Who says it's a design fail?

Why do couples want to have children?

Strictly for entertainment value!

note I said , 'by design fail' . not a failed design.

Human failure is a feature of Gods purposed design.

yet God is not pleased that mankind fails him...clearly mankind is failing in what God desires of them.

God is so unpleased with the results, that the only thing He believes they deserve is to be destroyed.

God didn't do it for Himself, He did it for us...

about 29 years ago, my wife and I did not need another person in our life. We were complete with each other, yet we desired to create something/someone to love.
We did not need that child, but desired it. We had the ability to create that child, so we did. And then another after that.

God did not need for anything. He was complete. He wasn't lonely. He wasn't bored. He did not create us expressly to satisfy a need to be loved/worshiped. He did not create us to entertain Himself.
Act 17:24-25 24 The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands; 25 nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things;

He created us out of His love. He imagined creating a being that He could demonstrate His love to. Since He had the power to create whatever He desire, He did just that.
In Jeremiah 31:3 God said “I have loved you with an everlasting love;"
So, before man was ever created, God had already loved what He knew that He would create...... (just as we loved the child we would create that was not conceived yet, except in our minds/hearts)

Now, about the problem that is alluded to, that of sin. That problem of failure.
1. God created man with free will. He could have created us with perfection and no ability to fail and programmed to do exactly and completely right, but we would be robots instead of as sentient beings with the ability to choose.
A multitude of robots serves God no purpose at all. In this creation driven by His love, love that is returned by a robot is not love at all, but just a hard-wired computer programmed response.

2. With free will, comes the ability to choose to love God or reject Him. Without the choice, there is no glory in being loved.
You can hold a gun to someone's head and force them to say "I love you", but there is no glory or fulfillment in that. The joy of being loved, is when the person you love chooses to love you also.

3. Failure. Part of true love (agape) is loving completely without conditions. God chose to love us even though He knew we would fail Him. (I also chose to love my children even though I knew in advance they would, at times, fail me and themselves)

4. Love Demonstrated. Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Since God created us out of His love, but knew from His foresight and wisdom that we would fail, God chose to demonstrates His love for us by sacrificing Himself in order to redeem us.
Now, this wasn't a rash plan that He dreamed up after man had sinned and mankind was an utter failure, but one that was already in place before man had ever sinned in the first place, in fact it was before man was even created.
Revelation 13:8 calls Jesus "The Lamb slain before the foundation of the world." So the decision to die on the cross for the sins/failures of man, was already in place before man was ever created.
That is a marvelous expression of His love toward us.

5. And, in response to His demonstration of His love toward us, we have the choice of whether or not to love Him back.
There is glory for man in that God chose to love us. God also is glorified in our choosing to love Him back.

Basically, Creation was/is all about love.

they come up with the dumbest reasons why god controls everything.


50 people on a bus,it crashes and kills 49. the guy lives has been saved by god, well why would god kill off 49 others and save one? I guess its the devils work.


its because god doesn't have a damned thing to do with it,chit happens and your lucky ass lived.

Maybe for the same reason that humans have pets.

Or...why do we watch sports contests? To see the play and the outcome.

Or maybe God was just bored. After all, what's the excitement if everything is perfect?

I've sometimes wondered what it's like in heaven. Does everyone just sit around in a night gown on a cloud playing a harp? There must be something else.

He did it because He wanted to...

Did what for us? He made us for us? If He didn't make us for us, we wouldn't know.

So He made us for Him.

Maybe man created God in his own image. Man endowed God with all his strengths and weaknesses. God is the mirror we created to see our ourselves.

We are obviously a part of God's plan. Why, also stymies the angels. We do well to let God be God and serve and worship Him.

Read the title to the post...

I did, so God created mankind for us. But there was no us to create us for.

Re-read Savage Hunter's post, and contemplate what he's saying.

God made us in his image and likeness. It's pretty obviously reproduction.

Guess I didn't inherit the walk on water gene. Now that water into wine gene would come in handy! I take that line to mean He created us with a transcendental spirit, the thing that sets us apart from animals.

You should ask Him when you see Him face to Face.

(and you will!)

I Corinthians 2:9
However, as it is written: "What no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, and what no human mind has conceived" -- the things God has prepared for those who love him--


Isaiah 55:8-9 New King James Version (NKJV)

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“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord.
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“For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts.

Let's see, we'll use our giant human intellect to question why the creator of the universe chose to do one thing or another. When all we really need to understand is what He's already shared with us. His love for us was so great that He came down and suffered and died for us. Believe that, trust in that, everything else is above our pay grade.

Amen!

To answer Satan's challenge that God is not the only one qualified for the job. Mankind can respond to His love without the (experiential) coercion of having already seen "the big picture."
The angelic realm is watching in wonder -- grace was a new wrinkle in their universe -- salvation vs. judgment for a separate creation of beings that could disobey Him.

Basically, as I have understood it, it's about God's Name and whether the universe can run harmoniously AT ANY LEVEL without Him having first place.
Scripture records for us only one spiritual being having challenged God. (If Allah and Satan are not identical, paying attention for 50+ years has been useless to me.)
lucifer the created decided to become Satan instead, dragging a third of heaven down to his level. What we see is how the debate is playing out.

Also, please remember that the Bible says we are in a fallen condition -- NOT what God originally created. Redemption through Jesus the Son is restoring the damage.
(What Revelation describes is how it looks at the end of this process, BTW.) Current events suggest to us that God might be approaching the limit of his patience.
A bunch of atomic bombs going off would leave a world unable to repair itself, despite the confidence of evolutionary thinkers/theory.

2 cents worth to Gus and Starman, maybe worth far more to serious seekers.

Barry

Just an observation here Mr. Raider that I don't think most see when reading those verses.

I don't take those verses to mean that God is saying he is just smarter than we are. When we continue reading we see that God also says there that he sent his word,and it will not return to him void.

I think what God is really saying here is, that He is really smarter than we are but that he also gives us the knowledge to make wise decisions,if we will only seek.

Yes, the made a child for themselves. You can't make a kid for the kid, people have kids because it's what THEY want, you know, selfish reasons.

So you can’t fathom that my wife an I had so much love to share that we desired to create a child to pour out even more love on?

Many times in the gospels, Jesus states he is doing the work of Him who sent Jesus. The very definition of work implies progress.

Depends on how you define that observation. Work could mean "will" in this case. Does that equate to progress? Progress for who? As already said,Jesus is also called "The Lamb Slain before the Foundation of the World". Does that mean that there is no such concept as "progress" unless it is in out own consciousness?

Sometimes by busted rubbers, sometimes by no rubbers, sometimes for welfare babies ,sometimes to trap a man,, ,,,,,grins

Don't be obtuse, I asked, "Why do couples want to have children?' (Emphasis added)

Selfish reasons? Then they are sadly mistaken. Kids are expensive and often a PITA.

Children can come to us in many ways. Some wanted, some not wanted and some for less than noble reasons of the parents.

Then you have those who want them so very badly and can’t fulfill that want by themselves.

You are right about the associated costs for children now days.

To say that things are not nearly as simple as some like to believe, would be the greatest understatment ever spoken.

If we were created by a perfect God, he has a very dark sense of humor.

Scripture has sufficient evidence to show God has great zeal and passion for seeking his own Glory.

He is a loving God , but also a very jealous and selfish God.

In old mosaic practice, sacrifices were made at the Temple to glorify God.

ASAIAH 43:

6 "I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;
7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him."





Divinely Pre-ordained, though some Christians would disagree.

Yet still the question,.. why would a perfect God create [by all knowing, all wise, all powerful choice]
a highly dysfunctional ungodly family of billions?

the Father does have a Son with title of monarchal King, a monarchy needs loyal subjects otherwise what kind of kingdom does He have?

the overwhelming vast majority fail miserably in meeting the standard required of God to be loyal subjects.

mankind is not welcome in the Fathers house without the prerequisite of the King putting a good word in.

excitement normally involves some sort of anticipation, or predicting....
but God already knows the outcome, and every move, thought and decision every human will ever make.

thus I cant imagine God banging the tabernacle with his fist in frustration and spilling his ambrosia , or throwing his shoe
in surprised disappointment.





If mankinds spirit is a genuine model issued by the divine creator ,then we originally came from heaven, but evidently
we don't remember being there.

A number of spiritual beliefs on death say the earth swallows up/reclaims the defunct body and the 'living spirit' returns to God.

Jesus said he will go and prepare a room in the fathers house for those deemed worthy. ..I wonder why the Father would not
already keep or have prepared such rooms ?

We're here to entertain the big guy. Once the sparkle has worn off, he'll drop a big rock on us and start over. Dinosaurs were entertaining once upon a time.

Says someone no longer struggling with today's dinosaurs.

He needed a hobby.