I am going to buy a Remington Model 700 in 300 rum. I know it is going to kick, so I am looking for advice on a muzzle break etc. What style, where to have it installed etc. Any advice is appreciated.
Remington offer a low recoil load for the RUM. May be the best bet. Be aware that muzzle brakes greatly increase the muzzle blast noise which will be very high even without the brake.
http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/centerfire/managed-recoil.aspRon
A good stock goes a long way to minimize recoil.
a good pad helps wonders too.. also, PAST makes a shoulder pad that really helps at the range. really helps....
if you dot mind me asking, why are you buying a gun that already has you looking to reduce the recoil..... just curious...
woofer
Good Question. I do alot of big game hunting in the West and this is an excellent caliber to reach out and touch them at 300 plus yds. The downside is that they kick like a mule. I know muzzle brakes will bring this back to a resonable level but I dont have much experience with having one installed.
Im not a fan of muzzle breaks. I almost had my teeth blasted out with a 300 ultra last season. I also value my hearing. Maybe because my lively hood depends on it. There are many 300+ yard guns that would be just as deadly as the RUM. Just a few that come to mind are the 7mm mag, 280 Remington, 270 win, 30-06, 308. win 7mm-08 ect. You may be better off shooting a caliber with less recoil then buying something you are already afraid of.
Just my two cents take it for what its worth
Put a mercury reducer in the stock.Gentry muzzle break,holes are drilled with an 11% forward angle,it pulls the rifle forward when shot and sends the noise away from person shooting the rifle.
Put a mercury reducer in the stock.Gentry muzzle break,holes are drilled with an 11% forward angle,it pulls the rifle forward when shot and sends the noise away from person shooting the rifle.
Im sure thats nice for the person shooting but I was standing next to him
inside of 400 the 06' works fine... not trying to argue your choices but there are a pile of choices for LR deer/elk the will cover the 400 yard mark.... lots less recoil too and cheaper to shoot
JMO
woofer
I am going to buy a Remington Model 700 in 300 rum. I know it is going to kick, so I am looking for advice on a muzzle break etc. What style, where to have it installed etc. Any advice is appreciated.
The KDF brakes work very well. Have one installed with the optional thread cap.. That way, you can sight in at the bench and save your shoulder, then remove the brake and screw on the thread protector and go hunting.. For the most part, the heavier clothing worn during hunts will absorb enough recoil to be somewhat comfy.. Besides, when there's a trophy in the crosshairs, no one feels recoil..
If the factory stock doesn't have a good, squishy pad on it, there's another area to change.. Put on a pad similar to the triple magnums from Pachmayr and it will tame a lot of recoil also..
As far as installation, if you don't have anyone near you send it to me and I'll gitRdone... Pm me for any and all details and other info..
If your standing next to him-------move or you will soon.NOT MY PROBLEM.GENTRY ALSO MAKES THREAD PROTECTORS FOR HIS BREAKS ALSO.You can install a 1inch Decelerater pad on it also.I like his because the forward angled holes doesn't blow stuff in your face when shooting prone.
You can do you what you want with your rifes but I would just choose to shoot a caliber im not afraid of.
Dont worry next time I moved far far away
On a side note have you been able to get Gentry stuff since he passed away last year? I was looking into gettting some of his rings right before. I havent been able to get a hold of anyone since. Altough I havent tryed real hard.
The zero with the threadcap on my 338 versus the brake was about 6 inches apart when I used it. Has this changed? That is to say does the threadcap now weigh more closely to the brake?
If you have not bought the gun yet, I would second the suggestions to consider another cartridge. In my opinion the 7mm RM is the very biggest I would consider for NA game including the dangerous stuff. And if it is elk, moose, or deer, then there is an awful lot good to be said about the .270 Win. It has the power to take-em out to the distance you can responsibly hit-em.
Ron
Thanks for your 2 cents but I Own 4 of the 6 calibers you mentioned and although they are great, for my money, there is no comparison with the 300 RUM. Also, I dont recall saying anything about being "afraid" of the gun. There is a big difference between trying to reduce recoil to improve your shooting and being afraid of the recoil.
Sorry Mac didnt mean to imply you were afraid of the recoil. Sounds like you really want the ultra. If the break works for you go with it. Good luck and have fun.
KK
I was going to build a 300 RUM and changed my mine and built a 300 Jarrett instead,it chroned 3508 with 165gr NBT'S,AFTER BARREL BREAK IN I WAS SHOOTING GROUPS FROM .192 TO .254 WITH 3 SHOTS I'M HAPPY,I HOPE YOU WILL BE WITH THE 300RUM.
The sure way to minimize recoil with a 300 RUM is to NOT buy the rifle. Those things are beyond ludicrous for overkill, recoil and muzzle blast. Buy a Winchester 300 Short Mag and be happy, or better yet, a 30-06 or 308. All of these cartridges will kill anything you'll ever hunt at any responsible distance.
I've had one KDF, one Harrell's, 4 or 5 Vais, and three made by Holland's, and the Holland's wins hands down.
I shoot 1000yd BR and we have a stock gun class in which I shot a 300 Ultra for 3 years. It was a Sendero laminated stock with 2 lbs. of lead in the butt, 1 lb. in the mag well, and 2 more in a channel in the forend, for a weight of around 14 1/2 lbs. with a Vais brake. 99 grs of Retumbo pushing a 190 Sierra almost 3300 was still a handfull, but not punishing. The concussion of the muzzle blast was noticable, but was harder on the neighbors. I set the range record of 5.4" with that set-up.
I had another Sendero rebarreled to the 300 last year with a Hollands brake and it's way more managable in the bags than the first one ever thought of being, and it weighs 2+ lbs less.
I also have a Holland's on a X-P 100 and can spot my own shots on prairie dogs now.
So, all brakes do a decent job on reducing recoil, there's no such thing as a "quiet" muzzle brake, and, in my experience, the Holland's is the one to get.
With that being said, I still wouldn't put one on a pure hunting rig.
Al
I have no doubt Holland is a good brake. My only beef is that they look like a malignant tumor at the muzzle.. My customers have, to date, preferred the KDF because when installed they maintain the same barrel profile..
I shoot 1000yd BR and we have a stock gun class in which I shot a 300 Ultra for 3 years. It was a Sendero laminated stock with 2 lbs. of lead in the butt, 1 lb. in the mag well, and 2 more in a channel in the forend, for a weight of around 14 1/2 lbs. with a Vais brake.
WOW.. I can see why you wouldn 't wanna traipse around the woods with THAT outfit.. Unless you wanted to build up your biceps.. Hehehehe..
Recoil should be bupkis with a rifle at nearly 15#.. Someday I'd love to see a 1,000 yard event.. Never have been to one, sadly...
You're also correct in that there's no such thing as a 'quiet' brake.. Similar to porting a shotgun barrel.. Side-to-side noise is much enhanced..
111Mac:
I have a Remington Stainless .300 RUM with the grey laminated stock. The recoil is certainly there, but I do not find it objectional.
I didn't need one, and like you, I have rifles in other calibers, but I wanted one. Where I hunt, a long shot is 150 yards and a large deer is 150 to 200 pounds. A .308 Win or something else in that range would serve the same purpose, but that isn't the point, is it?
I really like the rifle, and enjoy shooting it, and again, I didn't need it, but who does, when it comes to wanting another rifle?
Add weight or add a muzzle brake. They would make the most dramatic differences. But you have to add a fair bit of weight to say overall weight of 15lbs and more.
Regards
JohnT
I own the same 7oo LSS in 300 RUM as 13579. Its bone stock with the addition of a VXIII 3x9 40. I have shot 30 + rounds at a time with nothing more than a tee shirt between me and the gun. Is it fun? Not really, but doable. The biggest issues I see are people trying to hunch over a bench while test firing groups. The awkwardness of the position and the recoil make it much worse than it should be. I do not have a brake on mine. I have seen others that have and the noise and dust kicked up is not worth the justification in my book. The 26" barrel is already long enough and the whole thing is heavy enough, that I wouldn't want to add any extra weight to carry around. If you are hunting with any type of winter weight clothing, you will not feel it much at all as that padding and the adrenaline of the moment will mask any problems. You can always use the Past recoil products to dampen some of the pain while target shooting. I say get it and enjoy it.
Groovin61
I have no comment on the .300 RUM since I've never fired one. However, if you are interested in muzzle brakes and are buying a Remington rifle they will install one for you. I believe you have to go through the Custom Shop though.
I have a .338 Win Mag in a Rem. 700 purchased 6 or 7 years ago. At that time Remington (for a couple of years) sold them to the stores with the brakes installed. I have fired mine with the brake removed and find the rifle uncomfortable to shoot. With the brake on it is much easier to shoot.
As mentioned above the blast is VERY loud. I try to take mine to the range at times when no one else is around.
Jim
The sure way to minimize recoil with a 300 RUM is to NOT buy the rifle.
Those things are beyond ludicrous for overkill, recoil and muzzle blast.
Probably the reason why they don't exactly fly off the dealer's shelf. I'd take a 7Mag or 270Win 1st.
A .308 or -06 will kill any western game out to 300 yds w/o knocking your fillings loose or requiring a muzzle brake.
I could see a 300 rum for work out to 1000 yds, but there is no need for one to a mere 300 yds.
I still say if you need a brake, then you need a smaller gun. I watched 24hr member Superdave blasting away at prairie dogs with his unbraked 300 Ultra. It is doable if you aren't bothered by the recoil.
On the other hand, another buddy just had to have a 300 Win, but couldn't handle the recoil. He put on a brake and the idiot doesn't hunt with ear plugs. He shot one time at a bear last weekend, and hours later was complaining about the ringing in his ears. How fast do you want hearing aids?
If it must be a Remington, you could reduce apparent recoil somewhat and maybe avoid the need for a MB with a McMillan SAKO reverse comb slope style stock. If a used SAKO would do, you might like it as is. My own SAKO 75 in 300 RUM with wood stock weighs just over 10 lbs with scope, and recoil is manageable though I wouldn't want to shoot it all day.
Mine is a Rem 700, blued/wood I found in LH. I've only shot it from the bench and prone. My solution has been to install a limbsaver pad and load down to 300 WM level. My 180 grain Sierra's go a little over 2900 with Retumbo.
Anyway, not a big fan of muzzle brakes or full power 300 RUM loads. My reduced load's recoil doesn't seem to be as harsh as my 338 WM in the same gun. It's not bad at all the way I've got it set up. I love my RUM. It will go hunting some day.