A few new items you folks might find of interest.

* Cimarron Cimarron Tent - A 2 to 4 person dual entry tent capable of using either nest or a stove.

Availability about 4 weeks

* Bottle Wings Bottle Wings - These are bottle pockets that attach to the EVO frame. They allow bottle usage with talon only, or dry bag configurations. Availability about 3 week lead time


* Unaweep Exposure Unaweep Exposure - A panel loader style Unaweep with integrated rear pocket. Just a bit over 3.5 lbs in the most rugged fabric configuration. Availability -3 -4 weeks


* Component Bivy Component Bivy - A very lightweight 2.5 layer , waterproof breathable bivy. This is not a "bag cover" so to speak. Availability 8 - 10 weeks


Let me know if you have any questions

Waiting for bivy pricing, and hoping for hipbelt pockets soon.

The blue force gear pockets I hear work well, but they are pricey. Will have Bivy pricing in a few days. The Multi-Lid not mentioned above also provides some quick access organization if used as a minimalist chesty.

Do you have to choose between the nest or the stove or can you use both at the same time?

Is it a half nest that two people can sleep in, leaving the other half of the teepee for the stove?

Does the Cimarron have a built-in stove jack? Or do you have to add that? I don't see one in the photo.

Thought that I would help by doing a little math. This calculation assumes that you can use both the nest and the stove at the same time.

Cimarron Tent - $350
Nest - $150
Stove medium - $322
Stove Pipe - $ included with stove
Total Cost - $822 + shipping & tax = +/- $900

Still really expensive for a 2-man shelter, but things are getting better.

Cimarron Tent - 2#
Nest - 1# 4oz.
Stove medium - 1# 10oz.
Stove Pipe 6'x 2oz/ft = 12 oz.
Total weight = 5# 10oz.

Weight of Tent & Nest = 3# 4oz.
Weight of Stove & Pipe = 2# 6oz.

Can't complain about the weight, especially if it's split between two people.

If you include just the Cimarron teepee and a nest (no stove) then the total cost is $500 + tax & shipping. Total weight is 3# 10oz. That's OK weight for a roomy 2-man, double-wall shelter with a big vestibule.

It's interesting that the nest weighs 20oz. and 5'x7' Space Blankets weigh 12oz. each, so two of them weigh more than the nest.

KC

What are the dimensions of the bivy bag and what's going on at the hood area - netting, beak, etc?

Also, is that "37.5" fabric the same one that First Lite uses? If so, I may need to get one ASAP!

One of the two person nests will work with a stove. The BT2 dual entrance nest I am not sure on. I should know in a few days. I know it will work fine without a stove.

Yes , same as First Lite storm shells, slightly lighter denier face fabric to save weight. It works very well. Will have final details in the next few days.

Please forgive my ignorance but what is a nest and does anyone have a picture of one?

Please forgive my ignorance but what is a nest and does anyone have a picture of one?

A complete enclosed inner tent similar to this http://store.seekoutside.com/beyond-timberline-nest/

Thanks Kevin T for the information. I'm guessing you wouldn't need one during hunting season but it would come in handy during the summer with the bugs!

Pretty much sums it up. I honestly, don't use a nest much in Colorado. I use one more in the desert , coastal, or more buggy areas. I have used them to keep goofy labs , or borders out of my sleep area though. The older style 2 person nest, Ive used stand alone in a light mist on the coast of BC and been fine.

$822 is not "really expensive" for a tent with a wood stove.

Give it a rest.

--double post

I have been using First Lite's Unconphagre jacket in the 37.5 fabric for the last couple of months and can honestly say that it works ridiculously well. It is as breathable as a regular, plain, non-waterproof windshell but it actually is very watertight and beads water.

This bivy bag may well be the best bivy bag on the market just from the material alone.

Drooling tor this one!!

smokepole:

I agree that $822 is not really expensive compared to other teepee/stove packages and that's the point that I was trying to make, when I wrote "things are getting better." But compared to other options such as 3-season double-wall dome tents, it is really expensive.

Notice that I included the price of just the tent and the nest, which is essentially a double-wall tent. The price of $500 is middle-of-the-road for good quality double-wall tents.


I agree, let's not start this again.

KC

Well then. First, you can't compare an un-heated shelter to a heated one, it's apples and oranges. One has a wood stove, the other doesn't. Second, by including the cost of the nest, you added on a cost for something that nobody I know uses. Third, by adding the cost of shipping and sales tax (which I removed) you double-dipped; if you're in-state you don't need to have it shipped and out of state, you won't pay tax.

Which leads me to the fourth point.....don't say "thought that I would help" when you're obviously not trying to help.

smokepole:

Go to your room.

KC

A tent with a stove is priceless when the temps are in the teens and it's wet out. I've been using the BCS with an EdT Ti stove for the last three years and I can't really explain just how nice a setup that is. There is nothing quite like being able to dry your boots and gloves and then falling asleep with the stove glowing orange and the inside nice and toasty when the temps are 15-20deg outside. I just checked the weight, and the entire kit, plus extra tent stakes, is under 6lbs.

Edit: if I could get it to burn longer life would really be good.

Yes there is something even better! It's doing the same when it's about 20 degrees colder.




True but it's all in your mindset. If you think of a tent stove as being similar to a woodstove in your house, you'll always be disappointed, they just won't have the burn time. Partially because you can't put big hunks of wood in and partially because it's hard to make themairtight.

I think of them as an indoor campfire in a box. And I'm never disappointed.

i put large amounts of wood in mine and get 4-6 hr. burntimes....

Must be a big stove, which one are you talking about?

the bottomless box stove.... i dig a big hole in the ground beneath it and line it with rock to regulate the heat better and it heats the ground up like radiant flooring sort of...

That's cheatin........but I like the sound of it.

necessity is the mother of invention

Our have always been able to be used bottomless. The sibling was designed for bottomless. You need to be careful not to have any dry grass around etc, avoid unexpected problems.

sorry if i stole your thunder kevin....but the firepit idea is a very practical one and if done correctly, makes a very warm and long burning and easy to regulate, heater

agreed, it is practical when used right.

Wham and Kevin,

This hole-in-the-ground-under-the-stove is a brand new idea to me. Thank you.

Now two questions.

1. When I posted here about possbilities of using charcoal or a small open tipi fire inside a tipi I was SUPER warned about the danger of carbon monoxide from any possibly open fire or coals inside a tipi. Tell me more about sealing the gases to vent up through the pipe, etc. Maybe the warm air rising up through the pipe draws in enough fresh air to keep any carbon monoxide from ever seeping out into the tent. I'd be most concerned when the fire burned out and began to cool, like when I'm sound asleep at 3:00 AM.

2. Any tips for frozen ground? My tipi use with stove is limited but has only been when the ground is frozen like iron and frozen deeply.

Frozen ground, it's best to use a full on stove in my opinion. Honestly, I've used bottomless only a few times myself, and mostly with the sibling stoves. With the sibling I have both just used it on dirt, or dug out underneath. I wont get hours of burn either way as it is just too small. Bigger stoves I can get better burn time, but I would not consider it "reliable" . There are a lot of variables.

I have heard several people say Eco Logs work well to extend the burn when you are not packing in. I have not tried them myself, but i have heard 3 reports on it. Eco Logs are compressed wood with no additional additives.

I would avoid coal / charcoal use. Not there have been documented issues in our stoves, but because there have been documented cases in Wall Tent / Stove combo's using these, thus I would avoid it.

Setup on the Cimarron


you can see the subtle angles. Note ground was a little rocky and not super level so getting optimal stake purchase was a bit difficult.

Quick overview