This probably belongs in the workout thread but I didn't want it to get lost in there.

I've been using curcumin and tart cherry juice to help with an arthritic ankle. Neither one is as good as NSAIDs but they both help.

Any others out there that you've had good results with?

Cortisone injections.

Aside from that, I've been taking turmeric and flax oil caps. Can't hurt.

I've had some of those myself. Do you consider cortisone injections: 1) natural, and 2) a long-term proposition?

My wife just started me on the tart cherry juice. How much do you take and what is curcumin ?

(1) No

(2) That is probably inevitable.

There are no naturals. Everything works because there is some kind of medicinal in there. Ex: Red Rice yeast lowers cholesterol because there is statin compound that does the work. Digitalis leaf works because it contains digoxin. Tumeric contain curcumin.

Problem with the naturals is the active ingredient is not consistent, nor are they regulated for consistent potency. Ingrediant concentrations change due to soil it was grown in, where it was grown, etc. There are also side effects with the naturals along with possible adverse interactions with other meds you may be taking.

Regulation of the naturals for consistency is extremely lax or non-existent. There may be a little in there or a lot.

Not saying naturals don't work, however like with other standard medications there are possible adverse events that may occur and they can hurt.

Smoke, a few 1000 mg caps of salmon oil is a pretty good antinflammitory and may help prevent several diseases associated with inflammation. Also, consider bromelane.

Id also rec 1400 mg of glucosamine chondroitin twice a day.

Like Battue said, it's an extract of Turmeric. Seems to work.

On the cherry juice, 8 oz of twice a day.

eyeball, thanks. I should have clarified, I've been taking fish oil for a while now, as well as glucosamine/chondroitin/MSM.

I've heard of bromelain but never tried it, I'll have to check that out.

I know the G/C/MSM works because when I don't take it I hurt more. I take fish oil more for the heart but I'm sure it helps too. Also, lots of walnuts and almonds.

What do you think you are, a pharmacist or something?

If there are no "naturals" as you say, and everything comes from something else, which plants are ibuprofen and voltaren extracted from?

The G/C really help me, and very quickly, when my hands started aching when I hit 55 or so. I'm taking G/MSM right now for general "old man achey legs" and it seems to be working, just not as quickly. I usually just buy whatever combo is on sale when I run out without regard for brand or particular mixture. I gave up on the fishy stuff as I read a number of pieces on it that cast serious doubt on the initial research and evidence that started the fad. I may be missing out on something, but I no longer have walrus breath either.

I only have walrus breath occasionally, when I burp.

The active ingredients in Aspirin comes from a willow tree. Some guy in England looked at it and kept modifying the structures until he arrived at ibuprofen. Sooooo. Well you get it. 😀

Told you, I don't know jack squat about voltaren.

Ibuprofen comes from salicylic acid?

Bourbon.

1 oz every 15 minutes until pain diminishes. Do not exceed more than 20 doses in a 6 hour period.


Your Welcome. Dr cv540

Not directly, but they looked at some other carbo-phenyl something acids in ASA and twisted them around until they came up with ibuprofen.

In other words, it's synthetic.

That's good for around the house, although I prefer Scotch.

On the trail, not so much.

Yes, but then again so is ASA.

For myself, ASA works the best for short term general pain relief. Motrin comes close. On the prescription side Celebex. Vioxx was spectacular, but is no longer with us. MD friend felt it was the the equivalent of Vicodan.

When it comes to serious general pain relief, none of the so called naturals will match any of the above.

Take it to the bank fish breath.

No need to be insulting. Besides, I'm pretty sure that your astute observation on the relative effectiveness of naturals was already made; read it and weep, fart-blossom:



And if vioxx was as good as vicodin, you'd still be abusing it.

Vioxx didn't have abuse/withdrawal contraindications. Reference was to equivalent pain relief.

It did cause an unacceptable higher incidence of heart attacks, thus it was withdrawn. And all NSAID's are being increasingly studied when used long term.

If one can take ASA safely along with being monitored on a regular basis by a good MD, it may be the best/safest option of all.



Double blind study of one?

I pulled out my PDR for Herbal Medicines and looked up what they listed for anti-inflammatory.

Abscess Root
Barley
California PepperTree
German Chamomile
Jack-in-the-Pulpit
Jacob's ladder
Kudzu
Quince
Sage
Strawberry

I have no personal experience with any of these in the context of the OP, but did find it interesting that the section on "Anti-flatulents" was over twice as long.

That list of gas remedies must be the contribution from the Pennsylvanians....

Montana arnica 30x.
4 under the tongue every 4 hours.

Whole cloves are a good addition to your possibles bag.

Weigh nothin', and will stop a toothache in its tracks, for a number of hours anyway. Just hold the clove by the offending tooth.

Old fella I know says bee pollen helps. Not used it myself.

Has anyone tried yellow raisins soaked in gin for a month? Old buddy of mine swears by it. A friend gave my wife some marijuana oil extract (cannabinoid oil?). She rubs it on an arthritic thumb and says it helps a lot.

My .02 worth.

Not so called naturals, but this thread has made me do a little comparison of aspirin, Celebrex and Motrin.

One 325 mg aspirin mid morning was the clear winner over Motrin 400 to 600 mg twice daily or Celebrex 100 mg once daily. Didn't give Celebrex much of a test in that it never did much when I have taken it in the past. Motrin was the drug of choice prior to this thread. For myself aspirin beats it easily for pain reduction and subsequently moving easier.

Going to have a talk with the PCP over what he thinks. If any of the Docs care to comment it would be appreciated.

I also slept better when on aspirin and didn't wake up all that much from the aches.

look for foods with Bromelain. Pineapple works.

Thanks for getting it back on track tarheel, some a these guys are so ADD you'd think I asked which is best, aspirin or motrin?

You go and keep suckin down the cheery juice and listening to take 16-20 SL tablets of something else per day. Great choice for compliance that one would be. If all these other suggestions had any significant positive result for advanced post op or arthritic pain the grocery would be empty.

I may be ADD, no not may, but actually am and it is an interesting and funny malady once you grow used to it. Damn lucky tho they didn't have Ritalin and such when I was trying my best to not grow up. Heck they probably didn't even have a name for it back then. Other than "Can't sit his azz down syndrome." Or likes "Bright and shiny objects" something.

Riding to a shoot one day with a damn good Doc and long time friend, he causally mentioned, "you know you are ADD?" I replied, "Yea, you just figuring that out after all these years?" We both started belly laughing.

Oh yea, back to the subject. I tend to stray yea know. Doesn't mean I'm also dumb enough to believe in fairy tales.

Potentially (since I don't know you) you are trying to put out a house fire with a squirt gun. Sugar, grain, and processed carbs and the belly fat that they cause are pro-inflammatory. Eliminating them from your diet will likely help you cool the inflammation going on in your body.

I eliminated grain, refined sugar, and peanuts from my diet about 2 months ago. I didn't drink milk but if I had I would have lost that too. Since then, the tendinitis in my elbow has gone (inflammation), the nagging eczema on my hands and feet is 90% gone (inflammation), my feet don't hurt like they did (inflammation) and I don't get a couple of headaches a week (who knows)...haven't had but one since I started. I went through "withdrawals" for the first couple of weeks and felt lousy, no energy. After I got over that I started feeling freakin fantastic! I've lost a few pounds too, but my main purpose for doing this was to see if it would help with the symptoms I was having.

This is a lot more involved that looking for a pill or supplement, you will need to do some research, but I highly recommend it. Not saying this will cure arthritis although some say it will....probably depends on the extent of it.....but not eating these foods seems to knock inflammation in the head.

And alcohol doesn't help much either. Pretty much inflames any thing it touches. Inside or out.

Alcohol is a killer if you're trying to build muscle. Your muscles soak up the alcohol instead of the protein they need, and the protein goes to waste. If you're having recovery issues from working out or are battling DOMS, Eat or drink between 20-40 grams of protein within 45 minutes after working out. Whey protein shakes are hard to beat because your muscles absorb the protein faster than say, chicken. But protein bars are great too. Your recovery timevwill greatly improve. Carbs help with this too.

Hey Smoke, what bullet you going to use for Sheep? I think a shiny one would would work best.

Opps!!!!

Key words here are "I don't know you." I eliminated the things you listed years ago. And then some, including almost all saturated fats and grain-fed beef (omega 3/6 ratios and all that). I have none of the symptoms you cited, just osteo-arthritis from repeated ankle injuries. I'm seeing a very good ankle specialist, and have tried several prescription and non-prescrption NSAIDs, not just at home but on the trail with a pack on my back.

Which is a roundabout way of saying, if I was interested in people's opinions on nutrition or NSAIDs, I would've asked that question.

Those of you still drinking coffee are not serious about treating inflammation. I noticed a marked improvement when I quit.

Find yourself one.

https://openlibrary.org/books/OL3700228M/Natural_therapeutics_pocket_guide

That's great buddy. Just trying to help.

It's nothing personal. This site has a lot of knowledgeable individuals, and some really good information. But one of the things I don't like about it is the tendency for people to ignore the specific question that was asked and provide irrelevant information. That makes it hard to stay on topic and get relevant information.

Want to try something really off-track? An old buddy of mine had arthritis so bad he couldn't get out of bed some mornings. When that happened, he would take 1 tablespoon of fruit pectin in water and be good for weeks!

Don't know why it worked or how it worked, but for him, it worked!

I always thought I might go ahead and give it a try if I ever get arthritis that severe - it seems to be a cheap, non-toxic and safe alternative treatment.

Ice.

Well, it DOES fit the criteria of A. Natural & B. Anti-inflammatory

Out of curiosity Smoke, do you drink a lot of diet drinks or otherwise use a significant amount of artificial sweeteners?

It was intended a little TIC, but it is a very good adjunct to anything natural or synthetic oral meds.

No doubt. Hard to find ice when you're out on foot but I have dunked the ankle in cold creeks and it helps.

Negative, none at all. My issue is bone-on-bone osteoarthritis in the ankle from repeated sprains going back 40 years. I've had doctors and orthotists tell me I have "the gnarliest ankle" they've seen. I'll need surgery some time soon, but not yet.

Turmeric and salmon oil works well for me.

Check on both.

Phil,
If I may.

The type of pain you are having-bone on bone, and perhaps post op shoulder, although that doesn't seem to be a declared issue-has little to no chance of responding to natural remedies. There just isn't enough juice in the orange.

Part of medicine today is flow charts. You have this, this and this you try that, that or that. You have this without this, but this, then you go to that and that. This by itself, then go straight to that. Simplified, but you are smart enough to get it.

Definitely late for the hunt, but have you gone to a pain therapist. Not one that necessarily will put you on the narcs, but one that works with the head. No you are not crazy and yes your pain is real. I get it.

Do you rate you pain? The standard is 1 to 10. Anything above 7 being a bitch and 9-10 being, I can't take it.

My back is bad and getting out of bed is 7. Then it becomes that step was do-able. Next one ok, keep going and finally it loosens up and we are down in the 4-5 area. Carrying a heavy pack for me is a mind game of "Ok, you can keep going, it ain't fun or easy, but there are more steps in there to take."

I hope you can find a natural that will help, because constant pain is a bitch. It just wears you down. Good luck, but I seriously doubt with the pain you have there are any out there. They are not meant to treat what I think you are experiencing. Headaches, minor or short term inflammation, slight non-major muscle pulls? Ok, perhaps. Chronic with significant discomfort? I've yet to come across anyone who has found a natural that makes the team.

Good luck on the upcoming hunt.

Addition: I've tried just about everyone mentioned. I dispense the poisons, but that doesn't mean I like to take them.

DMSO????

Harry, I appreciate it. To be clear, I'm not trying to treat this with naturals alone. I've tried a bunch of prescrption strength NSAIDs including vioxx, relafen, ibuprofen, naproxen, and voltaren. Voltaren works the best. I have both pills and topical voltaren. The thing about all nsaids is they're hard on your digestive tract and I don't want to use them long term. The voltaren has an enteric coating so it won't dissolve until it gets to the intestine. There's a reason for that. I also have two kinds of custom orthotic foot beds and an Arizona brace for the ankle, which is the gold standard.

Natural anti inflammatories are just one more tool, and they do help.

I participated in a dietary study on polyphenols last summer and we weren't supposed to use any NSAID's. I've used ibuprofen for years but during the high polyphenol portion of the study (6 weeks high polyphenols & 6 weeks low polyphenols) I had very little joint pain and less overall soreness. Since the study I've continued to try and get lots of polyphenols in my diet e.g. nuts, cloves, cinnamon, dark chocolate, berries, coffee.

I can't guarantee that it wasn't a placebo effect and my evidence is anecdotal but since I've increased them in my diet I've gone from 3-5 pills daily to about 1 per week. Here's a couple of links if anyone's interested:
http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v64/n3s/fig_tab/ejcn2010221t1.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21432698

Hey Battue,

From your posts, I gather you are a fan of good 'ole Aspirin.

I've been in a bunch of consistent pain for a long time. I'm in the gym 5 days a week for the last 30 years; I've worn my body pretty good.

I finally gave up "spot treating" myself with doses of Ibuprofen consistently and just started an Aleve every morning and every night along with vitamin supplements and such. It's worked pretty well.

I've never tried taking Aspirin on a consistent basis instead of the other NSAID'S. Should I give it a go?

Rick,

I can't make that choice for you. Not avoiding your question, but I'm not a Physician and since again your situation is chronic there are considerations that need to be evaluated by one.

Alcohol usage, liver or kidney function, heart disease, blood pressure, bleeding issues. Just plain overall general health.

Aspirin works best for me, but I have the Doc do blood workup perhaps three times a year and usually only take one or two tables per day. If I'm going on a long days hunt, maybe two three times a day. Some other friends swear by Naprosyn, which is a different brand of Aleve.


Again aspirin works for me, but I wouldn't say it was twice as good as Motrin. I think it just works better and perhaps has a longer duration of action for myself

If you are healthy otherwise, I can't see why you can't give aspirin a short try and see if you notice any improvement over the others. As with any of them, take the smallest amount that gives relief. Aspirin can also mess with the stomach, but they make and enteric coated one if that is an issue.

Addition: Should have mentioned it, but Aspirin and Alive get their anti-inflammation action by slightly different mechanism of action. I don't understand it completely. Few do, but that is not the point. Perhaps I respond to the Aspirin pathway better or my condition is more responsive to it. Others may be the opposite.

Stomatador, thanks for the link, I will check that out when I get home. Out of all the foods you listed as sources for polyphenols the only one I don't eat much of is cloves, just coincidence but I love all that stuff.

This shows a high correlation between regular aspirin use and GI bleeding

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3086018/pdf/nihms274683.pdf


Dosage levels seem to be the key

No doubt aspirin probably has the highest risk and why the conclusion states one should use the lowest effective dose. Also one of the reasons why I didn't recommend that it was the best choice for you without a physician being involved. I didn't see where the study-read it quickly and may have missed it-where they indicated if they took it on an empty stomach or with food. I try to make sure I have eaten something relatively substantial.

Today was a relatively good day for me and I only took one. Even after a workout that included deadlifts, I didn't feel the need to take any additional. Had some aches, but monitored myself and said at this time no need to take another.





As an aside, having some aspirin close is always a good idea in case of a cardiac event. At that time it is aspirin you want and not the other NSAIDs.

Thanks Batt,

I give my 16 year old Lab a 325 with her feedings twice daily. Can't be all bad

Hell, if I get to the equivalent age of a 16 year old Lab, I'm going to eat, drink, chew and take any damn thing I feel like.

Years ago a Doc told an 84year old mentor friend of both my father and myself to quit smoking. He in effect said, "Screw you."

My grandmother used to take an aspirin before bedtime every night.

She died at 102

At some point, you've got to just enjoy your life. I think all the things we do to prolong it don't add much; it's genetic.

My gal's a hospice nurse. Her motto is "eat your dessert first!"

Did she take out a life insurance policy on you?

I have bone on bone pain in my elbows from various injuries and overuse. Acupuncture, which I tried after reading an article in the Wall Street Journal on broad recognition for its use for chronic pain, worked like a miracle for one elbow and did nothing for the other. I was pretty happy to get halfway there; that's my bow arm.

I've been told that pain meds work at different levels on different individuals, and it occurs at the level of the pain receptors--the point being you have to try an array to locate the most effective one for you.

I tried acupuncture five or six years ago. No pain relief whatsoever.

Just wanted to resurrect this thread and make an observation on this subject. I believe diet has a huge effect on inflammation and pain from chronic arthritis like I have in my ankle. Normally I’m pretty careful about what I eat. I try to minimize refined starches and sugar, fried food, processed food, saturated fat, and eat lots of nuts, fish, and vegetables.
I just got back from four days in Birmingham visiting my brother and his wife. We watched a lot of football and ate out a lot, zero physical activity. Which should ease the pain in an arthritic ankle. But my diet was just about 180 degrees from what I’m used to. I’m not bagging on southern cooking; I grew up with it and love it. My favorite meal on this trip was at SAW’s barbecue, named after the proprietor, “sorry ass Wilson.” It was called pork and greens, but was much more than that. A base layer of cheese grits, with a layer of collards on top (complete with fatback), a layer of pulled pork on top of that, and a layer of fried onion rings on top of everything. We ate out at least once a day, and we ate hard. Lots of fried stuff, lots of starch, lots of sugary deserts and saturated fat.
When I got home on Sunday evening my ankle hurt worse than it has in months, after four days of sitting on my ass watching TV. I’m convinced diet had a lot to do with that.

Agree on the sugar. More so as the years add up. Like most things the young get a pass.

Your diet is definitely the issue. You can't ignore specific groups; a good diet won't and is balanced.

It's quite obvious that you have a deficiency in the anti-inflammatory group. Naproxen/Ibuprofen/Meloxicam has an RDA

Nope, I've used 'em all including some you didn't mention and some that have been taken off the shelf by FDA.

Ibuprofen works best for me. I was up to 2000 mg/day in AK but that's not where you want to be day in, day out.

smokepole, I hope your day is going well.

I enjoed your story about your visit and bbq "adventure". Sorry to hear it would not be beneficial to your ankle to eat that way every day. SAW's meal sounded delicious!

I do not know if you consider vitamin C tablets "natural" and I'm trying to stay on topic. I have read the earlier posts and some folks mentioning a few "pill" type remedies.

I take 2000mg of Ester C every day after having tried it on an old dog with severe hip dysplasia, this after reading an article (this one?) along these lines:

http://www.yourdoghealth.com/dog_ester-c_study.htm

It helped with his mobility and he had a couple of more years of activity before getting quite aged and I ended up having to lift his big a-- into the car/truck.

I started taking it quite a number of years back and it seems to help.

I've got "moderate to severe arthritis in my hands from age and use, use, use (her exact words)" according to the docs office. I had a case of giardiaisis in 2008 and decided to stop taking my dailies as everything went right thru, quickly. No point in flushing money. I noticed a day or two after stopping that my hands hurt worse than they had in years. Almost immediately after the "bugs" were gone and I went back on the vit. C my hands got better. Now that I also have arthritis in my lower back, knee, and probably other places, I'm afraid to stop for any length of time.

Oh, I'm not selling Ester C, other versions might work too, it's just that I've had reflux issues and my understanding is the Ester stuff is associated with some calcium so it's not so acidic or some such. I also get it when the "rebates" knock $4 a jar off at COSTCO.

Good luck on your search for relief. It doesn't seem to get any easier with age.

Geno

C Ester worked great for me. THen we found its tied to kidney stones.

Quit taking it, hurt much more often and longer and all night most nights without it, but no longer get stones basically...

Geno, thanks for the tip, I'll give it a try.

I've heard this as well, it'd be worth a try.

I tried it, but I could only keep eatin' em for a week.

Ran outta toilet paper.

I think you're only supposed to eat 6 or 7 a day!

,to stay on n topic I won't discuss diet. Having boxed in my teens and into early twenties followed by years of I n proper and abusive powerlifting techniques I've broken, busted and wore out out alot of joints, tendons and ligaments. Couple the extracurricular activities listed above with the fact that I've done nothing but construction and oilfield work for the last twenty four years. Having spit all that out let's get to the point here.

Get to know and start researching Kratom. I won't list the fancy Latin terminology, but I will say I've been using it for the last 3 months and it is heaven sent as far as eliminating inflammation and pain. It eliminates 100 percent of the pain and stiffness of my arthritis in my hands and wrists. Subdues the bursitis and tendonitis in my elbows and eliminates arthritis pain in my knees, back, neck and right shoulder. I've had multiple surgeries in the latter departments listed.

It's definitely better option than getting hooked on the opiates for life and turning to heroine addicton like has happened to tons of people. I've witnessed this first hand with friends and family that were never drug abusers of any types.

I've used the dried leaf, but I've found the bottled version blended with other naturals including white willow bark, in which Battue has already mentioned many times to be quite superior. What I've been using is Vivazen and it's spectacular. Kratom has been used successfully for ions in other countries.

I've used it successfully pretty much every day for last few months and I've quit it for a week for the longest stint and then recently two days off to see if there was any withdrawal symptoms. None really. I'd say the withdrawal symptoms are coffee like for me. Know better or worse than coffee dt ING

My wife is using it successfully as well and loves it.

Also, I will add that one bottle a day will energize the [bleep] out of you for hours on end. And pretty much eliminates all pain for me. Days when I still hit it hard in the gym I've used two bottles day after. Two bottles take away the pepped up feeling that one gives me and is more like a percocet feeling. Almost identical actually. And on two different occasions I wanted to see what 3 a day would do and I believe that is to much of a dose and expensive.

Used as a preworkout it is bad ass as well. You will have phenomenal workouts and be nailing heavier weights for more reps than usual. I've quit using it before gym though because I don't want to become dependant on using it before gym. Plus I have the ability to push myself mentally and physically in the gym without any enhancers. Just figured id throw it out there for the guys who like preworkout drinks/supplements

What little I could find on Kratom on the net makes it look sketch.

I hear you man and I thought the same at first. To me it came down to the pain, so I tried it and liked it. I didn't do any yesterday, but had to go into town this morning and grabbed one. Painfree and happy Thursday thus far. Good luck to you and your pain management.

I'm getting to that point with pain. Have you been able to find any good info on long-term effects?

Use and safety Edit


Kratom leaves
Kratom has been traditionally chewed, in raw leaf form, by people in Thailand and especially in the southern peninsula. Kratom is often used by workers in laborious or monotonous professions to stave off exhaustion as well as a mood enhancer and/or painkiller. Kratom is also used in neighboring countries in Southeast Asia where it grows naturally.[4] Kratom has been used in Thailand as a form of traditional medicine as an antidiarrhoeal, as a treatment for opioid dependence and as well as premature ejaculation during coitus.[22][23] As traditionally used, kratom is not seen as a drug and there is often no stigma associated with kratom use or discrimination against kratom users.[4] In southern Thailand, kratom has been a part of traditional culture for thousands of years and is common in traditional cultural performances and in agriculture.[24] In southern Thailand, kratom chewers generally start at around the age of 25 and many continue to chew the leaves for the rest of their lives. A fresh leaf weighs on average 2 grams. The average number of leaves consumed is between 10 and 60 leaves per day, but even more than this is common. In some areas of southern Thailand, where Kratom is often referred to by the street name P̄hī or 'Goblin', it is thought that upwards of 70% of the male population uses kratom on a daily basis.[25]

So it sounds like you're using it as a pain killer, not necessarily an anti-inflammatory?

1). Chaga : make a tea from this birch tree fungus. A "super food", with several beneficial properties ranging from fighting cancer, to mood stability, and anti-viral and anti-inflammatory characteristics.

Look up scientific studies in pubmed.com. Chaga has the highest levels of anti-oxidants known. Something like 1000x higher than blueberries and acai berries

Don 't buy the tablets (quality varies). Buy the raw material and brew a tea (hot water extraction).

Also, eat a Mediterranean / anti-inflammatory diet.

Last, get a quality teeth cleaning / prophylaxis, and floss your teeth 2-3x/week with 10-15 strokes /tooth side. Focus on thoroughness. Oral bacteria, going systemic, is a leading problem for causing systemic inflammation problems, taxing our immune system. Reducing oral bacteria load, with thorough flossing helps the bodies' immune system.

I'm a dental hygienist, with periodontal experience.

Both

Look up tart black cherry juice as well. I'm going to be ordering some shortly once I remember the name of the sugarless concentrate. It came with a pump bottle and one squirting in glass simply ad water. It worked excellent, I got the tip from my f-i-l.

When we moved I forgot about it, my wife just mentioned it and how well it worked for me along with a healthy diet it's noticeable relief

Ha, way ahead of ya:

Pay me enough and I'll make you boys up a supply of capsicum suppositories.

Well, I did hear that you were one of the utmost authorities on putting things up your butt......

Ha predictable!!!!.

Driving home from hunting in Michigan with a Bud I said that would be your reply.

There are several herbs and spices that are said to be anti-inflammatory. If you have any doubts about a certain herb or spice relating to medications you may be taking, you can always ask your doctor or find the information at "webmed" and such.

The following are considered anti-inflammatory spices, herbs (or roots) that can be introduced to your diet:

-Turmeric (sold as a spice in most US supermarkets, but a little expensive)
-Ginger
-Cinnamon
-Garlic
-Cayenne
-Black pepper
-Clove (sweet cloves)

You can sprinkle turmeric on fried eggs, for example, on steaks, and so on. You can cut a couple of pieces of ginger root, and boil them in two cups of water for a very tasty cup of tea. The same with cloves (put some in a hot cup of water and drink as a tea). Or a cinnamon steak in boiling water. I do this at my campsite during moose season

http://www.healthline.com/health/osteoarthritis/turmeric-and-anti-inflammatory-herbs#BlackPepper8

http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-and-supplements/lifestyle-guide-11/supplement-guide-turmeric

That's nothing. I told my plumber that any minute, you'd be recommending a suppository.....

What? You were at the urologist again? Most only go once a year. Hmmm....

Lol good one.

Ray i've been eating tumeric on my eggs, hamburgers and steaks for years. Also like to add it to soups and chili. Hell maybe I'll even try it on my oatmeal tomorrow morning. Nah, that's what the raw cocoa powder, raw honey and cinnamon are for

Yes, turmeric adds a good flavor to steaks, eggs, and so on, and adds a nice color to brown or wild rice, or chili. My wife likes a cinnamon tea she makes by putting a cinnamon stick in boiling water and letting it sit to cool for a few minutes.

I have some arthritis on my left hand near the wrist, but it bothers me only if I hit (jar) my hand against something, or at night if I twist my wrist while asleep. Anyway, I have been taking vitamin B12, and the pain has subsided quite a lot. It's still there, but nothing like it was six months ago.