At least I think it was one of the European countries that did that.
And not positive that is was goats that they shot, but I think it was. Extensive testing....I guess they were testing to see what was a better cartridge, more lethal than existing ammo. Military application? Not sure...maybe just law enforcement application.
Anyway....I'm trying to get a few details on that testing. Especially the location of the testing. Probably took place between 1940 and 1955...not sure.
Any time the argument abt. the best self defense cartridge and best defensive bullet comes up, especially in terms of Marshall and Sanow's book on "One Shot Stops" comes up, the mention of the goat testing comes up. Sorta like the infamous "MIami shootout!!"...
Where/when did that testing occur?
"Thanks, folks"....
FjLee
As a body of knowledge, all these handgun effectiveness studies are a bunch of crap. They give people who like to demonstrate how smart they are something to base their arguments on. They give people who like to play with guns an opportunity to do it extensively, usually with someone else footing the bill and usually someone paying them to do it.
Within reason, the only factor that matters is the man behind the gun, his skill and his willingness and resolve to prosecute the encounter.
45,10 mm, 357 Sig/mag, 40 cal then 9mm.
What? Somebody had to start the carnage.😆
Back in the early 20th Century the US military conducted stopping power trials by shooting live goats and/or cows. IIRC the animals were anesthetized first.
It was determined that a .45 ACP firing a 230 gr. FMJ could hit a goat in the hoof and still spin it around twice and throw it backward several feet...
Okay, that last part may be a slight exaggeration but they really did test with live animals.
1904 US Army tests on animals and cadavers :
Thompson-LaGarde TestsCrude tests of various handgun calibers on cattle, horses and cadavers by Colonel John T. Thompson and Major Louis Anatole LaGarde.
As a body of knowledge, all these handgun effectiveness studies are a bunch of crap. They give people who like to demonstrate how smart they are something to base their arguments on. They give people who like to play with guns an opportunity to do it extensively, usually with someone else footing the bill and usually someone paying them to do it.
Within reason, the only factor that matters is the man behind the gun, his skill and his willingness and resolve to prosecute the encounter.
Iron Truth, especially the 'willingness and resolve' point.
As to the donated cadavers, were they all the same weight and height? I doubt it. Those old tests had a lot of variables in them. But hey I’ll give them credit for trying.
Speed, think 357 mag or 357 Sig, 5.7 and the other bottle necked rounds. Or plain old blunt force think 45’s.
45,10 mm, 357 Sig/mag, 40 cal then 9mm.
What? Somebody had to start the carnage.😆
My favorite is pony soldier caliber .45 Colt affectionately called "long". I believe it was designed to cope with horses.
You can shoot a guy 15 times with a 45 acp and he can stillshoot back at you and live.
Bb
There was a test similar to this done here at the 'Campfire back in 2008.
Ten Thousand Cows Can't Be Wrong
The .45ACP kind of belongs with original 1911 pistols (actually 1910), but that is where the charm ends. Good choice if one lives where mag limit is 10.
The .45 Colt out of revolver is far better if one can afford the ammo. It is considerably more expensive with Winchester Defender being top notch. When it comes to defensive loads or hunting loads Winchester folk do not skimp on powder.