I have a Kahr PM9, when I take it to the range and rent a glock 19 and both are shooting the same kind of ammuntion the PM9 is just as accurate as the bigger pistol, maybe even more accurate. I think the trigger is better on the Kahr, it has such a smooth pull with a surprise let off at the end while the Gock 19 just seems to stack a lot then hang and then bang. Right now people are buying Glock 19's as fast as they can find them due to worries about pistol rationing in the future. I don't know if they are buying the Kahrs this fast because the Kahrs are like $800 dollars or something. I wanted a bigger pistol than the PM9 but do I want the $500.00 Gock perfection pistol such as the G19 or do I want a Kahr TP9. I would want to use this for both concealed carry and as a home defense gun. Usually with either gun I can shoot 6 bullets into a 4 inch circle at 15 feet before you can say Peter Peter pumkin eater had a wife and couldn't keep her. But then also I know a guy that for $100.00 will make the Glock trigger much much better, he works on competition guns,the triggers are better than a single action 1911 style .45ACP. He says not to carry them inside the waste band without a holster because you can shoot part of your butt off. What should I do, get the perfect pistol and a $100 trigger job is the cheapest but I am confused in Georgia.

Don't overlook the G26. That'd be my 1st choice....

IMO, the kind of trigger job I think you are referring to is best left to a competition gun, not a carry gun.

The Glock trigger can be improved from bone stock and still keep it at 4.5 lb and fairly crisp.

I happen to think that's plenty good for a carry/SD gun with a Glocks' mechanics.

YMMV

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If you like the trigger better on the Kahr, the TP9 might be the way to go. I like Kahrs but prefer the steel frames myself. The plastic Kahrs tend to slap my trigger finger. I'm not tryin to flame you here but if your shooting the PM9 as fast as a G19, you need more practice with the Glock trigger. Between the trigger reset and the recoil dynamics, the 19 is a whole lot faster. Keep your grip high and only let the trigger return to reset before the next shot. A little practice and I bet you could almost double your rounds on target in the same time. There is your "perfection" for ya!
BTW, please don't carry either one in your pants without a decent holster. Neither have manual safeties or long, heavy trigger pulls.

Jimmy in our Humid South i'd buy the glock and not think twice.I can't support a religous cult and i won't support a traitor so i don't own kahr's or smith&wesson's.Hardheaded redneck attitude? perhaps but that's how i feel.

Most either don't know about the short trigger reset or they don't practice it enough to make that attribute......an attribute.

I think I know what you are talking about regards the trigger reset! How Kahr seems to make a better trigger than the Glock is a mystery. I guess if you need 15-17 rounds the Glock is the way to go. A flat pistol and 8-9 rounds probably makes a better carry gun, but then Glocks will always be popular due to high capacity and the name.

The Kahrs are generally easier to carry. They are smaller. With the TP9 though, your basically similar in size to the 19, except for the thickness. Do you carry IWB?

yes IWB! The Glocks are real thick, add another 1/4 inch thickness for the holster sides and its a 1.5 inch thick pistol carry! I am simply amazed at the little Kahr PM9. It is actually with its trigger pull more accurate than most G19's I have shot. One of my friends has a G19 with a titanium striker and the 3.5 pound trigger thingy, this gun is easier to shoot and more accurate in my hands. I bet its more comfortable to carry a commander sized 1911 over the glocks

Sounds like the TP9 is just what your looking for. As for the Commander, BTDT a couple times. There's no flies on them. They carry well but I like the lighter weight of the G19. Thickness is an issue but thinner holsters like the Watch-Six compensate a bit for that. Glocks are thicker than the Kahrs but so is everything else. If your looking for a slim, double stack, poly 9mm, take a look at the SR9.

I wonder if the Kahr will hold up as well as a Glock 19? The range Glocks have seen many thousands of rounds, one is even a Gen 1 model and it is the one I usually rent due to the smooth grip. Its hard to say how long a Kahr TP or PM9 will hold up because most ranges don't rent them.

Why do we all buy Glocks when there are other good pistols out there?

Glocks might be my personal favorite for defensive uses but I own and enjoy many others. I would think most Glock fans feel the same way, at least the ones I know do. They have a lot going for them as a defensive tool but they aren't for everyone. A lot of us that buy Glocks also buy 1911s, Sigs, S&Ws and so on. You seem to be enamored with the Kahrs, not a bad choice at all and maybe a better one for you. I kinda get the feeling your trying to get me to say that Glocks are the best. Some of them are...for me. Except for a few "perfection" repetitions, your original post seemed like a genuine interest in some opinions. If that's so, I hope I helped a little. If you really just wanted to whip up a Glock owner bashing thread, I"ll leave you to it and spend time on other subjects.

No just wondering if a Kahr would last as long as a Glock, sometimes you want to buy something that lasts a lifetime and although I have one copy of a kahr that seems to be reliable, I have more information on the longevity of the Glocks

I would challenge that. The Kahr trigger is much like that of a well tuned double action revolver, and I've seen experts with double action revolvers shoot accurately with them at approximately the rate of a machine gun. No way to improve on that level of speed by switching to a Glock trigger. Take a look at this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3fgduPdH_Y

Again, the Kahr trigger is, in this repect, like that of a double action revolver. Although I also recommend holster carry for any handgun.

It absolutely is.

I've seen the revolver shooters like Jerry Michelak shooting. They are incredibly fast with them. I have yet to see anyone shoot a Kahr that fast. The trigger is revolver-like but the samples I've shot (more than a couple) were nothing like a well tuned revolver. The ergonomics of the Kahr's grip don't allow a higher hold with more leverage on the trigger as with a revolver. Combined with the slower reset, increased muzzle flip and felt recoil, I'd put a large bet on the majority of shooter's shooting the G19 much faster, accurately than with the PM9.

That's subjective. I've carried both quite a bit. IWB, 1911 is thinner. Weight? G19 wins. The butt of the grip is also shorter and more rounded. I prefer that and I hate the feel of bobtails. G19 is more comfortable to carry...for me. I ain't rippin on 1911s, I luv 'em!

Sorry jimmyp, wasn't trying to come across hostile if I did. I have no I idea how long a Kahr will last but they are fine quality pistols that should hold up for a good long time. I bet you'd have more fun if you actually get to wear it out, though! I hope I get the chance to wear out every gun I own and many more before my time is up.

A speed shooting comparison between the G19 and the PM9 is kinda like arguing which car company makes the fastest station wagon. I'd bet on the G19, but only due to the size and weight.

This thread started out comparing the TP9, which IMO is a much better handling pistol than the G19. Speedwise, we're now talking 4-door sedans.

Geez, now I gotta get a G34 and learn how to drive a 4-door sedan. Gonna have to disagree with ya on the TP9 but that's just my opinion. Still think they are quality guns but they don't fit me well.

I like both but carry my Kahr P9 more than my Glock.

nyagwai, to me the standard trigger on the Glock is not as good as the trigger on the Kahr. I don't do speed shooting contests, but the competition Glocks I have fired don't have a standard trigger. One recent example was lighter than a good 1911 trigger. I can shoot the PM9 as accurately or more accuractely than a G19, the trigger slap after the trigger breaks discourages accuracy in an otherwise theoretically accurate pistol. I think Glocks are good pistols, and Kahrs are good pistols, but there is nothing magic or special about either one of them. I may go with both, but I am going to buy a wolf tuning spring kit for the G19. I don't suffer from any blind loyalty to anything. If you stuff a 15 round glock in a holster and feel that they you are well armed you should read more JC who once said "you cannot miss fast enough to win". 15 rounds should mean 15 targets, not 15 attempts to hit the same one, a common problem with todays police force, and popular TV shows.....

jimmyp. I agree with ya. They are both quality pistols and personal preferences are what drives us. You know what you like and what works for ya. Same as I do.
I'm gonna disagree a bit with your 15 shots = 15 targets theory. Having 16 in the gun just means I have more ammo before I have to reload no matter how many "targets" there are. With all due respect to Mr. Cooper and I have a bunch, I'll shoot til they're down and out. I'll leave the one shot stop nonsense to those that are interested testing their wonder bullets or mythical manstopper calibers.

In my case, the 16-rounds means a chunky frame with no balance that weighs more than necessary. I'm still surprised Glock hasn't introduced a single-stack G19 and G23.

I must have huge hands or something. The frame is about as wide as my thumb.
I'm surprised they haven't either as there seems to be a demand for them. It'd be nice to have a lightweight Glock for a change.