Anyone have one or shot one? I have a P3-AT and like it a lot. I am interested in a very small 9mm and this looks like it might work. Thanks, Al

Owned one. It can fill that bill nicely. Recoil is snappy, and the "rail" on the front is just stupid.

Honestly, the Kahr models are far better in regards to trigger, concealment, and manufacturing quality.

Thanks. That is the kind of info I am looking for. Al

I'll have to second VA's comments. Had one and really did not like it (trigger mainly). The size is great but it just wasn't working for me. Moved it on to someone who is glad to have it but shoots it rarely. While I don't own a Kahr, they do have much nicer triggers (and of course cost a good bit more).

I would take a second look at taurus new 9mm slim and I think they are also coming out with a tcp 9mm modeled after their 380.

I have one.....it's currently back at Kel-Tek for warranty work (going on 7 weeks now). Every time I shot it, it would release the magazine. Basically turned it into a single shot. Have not decided if I'll keep it or not.

Partagas - interesting observation as I just picked one of the "slim's" up. Didn't comment on it as I've only cleaned it up and haven't shot or carried it yet at all. I see this as my "in between" - better but bigger than the LCP but smaller and easier to carry than any of my 1911's (even the officer size). Think I will like it but no substantive comments yet as I haven't fired the weapon. I DO like the similarity in the manual of arms to the 1911 (thumb safety, etc.).

The Kahrs are bigger and nicer, the 702 Slim is just a little bit bigger and has a decent trigger much like a glock but with restrike. It's also larger and heavier just a bit. I find the Slim a good shooter. I have a P3AT, a PF-9, a CW 40 and the 702 slim. The PF-9 is snappy to shoot but, mine has good velocity even for so short a barrel with std. loads. I really don't like +P in it thopugh it's rated for it for carry. The PF-9 still isn't a pocket .380, it is a viable option for carry in a light shirt and light shorts in something like a Crossbreed mini tuck.

To the point the PF-9 as small and as light as a 9mm pistol gets. The accuracy, velocity and trigger are all reasonable, the sights are decent and it's quite affordable. No you aren't going to run 200 or even 75 through it in a single range session without feeling it. Mine has proven 100% from the get go. I hope that helps.

Acy, I have had 4 Kel-Tecs and only one was really good enough (Jamming sessions) in accuracy at 21 ft to suit my standards. However, that gun JAMMED when ever I tried to fire is "rapid fire" at the range. If you don't let that trigger come all the way back after each round is fired, it will JAM on you every time when shooting rapid fire.

You much better off to purchase a Kahr or better yet a sub-compact GlOCK model 26 (9mm Luger) which holds 11 rounds total. They are very accurate and extremely dependable too. You check out the U-TUBE on GLOCKS!!!

I own a PF-9. It's been back to the factory twice (for two different problems) and it's still finicky. I don't trust it and wouldn't sell it to anyone. My P3AT is very reliable. The Kel-Tec people were very nice to work with. My gun dealer had warned me that they were getting a lot of returns on the PF-9 and now I know why.

I can't imagine why someone would want to carry such a weapon that is cheap made and has all those little traits about them. If I am going to carry a gun to ward off would be attackers, I want something that is as dependable as it gets and to me, that is a GLOCK or H&K in a semi-auto pistol. They have twice the firepower or ammo in their magazine verses a 6 shot revolver which in most cases only has 5 rounds loaded in the cylinder.

Today's car jackers seem to run in 3's not just one single person trying to make off with your vehicle. I don't have to worry about running out of ammo with my semi-auto Glock. My Glock 20 for instance, holds 14 rounds of 10mm caliber ammo before going to my backup pistol, another Glock model 29 sub-compact holding 11 rounds.

I have one on my hip right now. I got it about two months ago. It has been a fine pistol. Shot well and to point of aim at the range with a slight adjustment of the rear sight. Accuracy isn't stellar but then, its not a long range afair. Its very light and flat. I carry it in a crossbreed holster.

I did deburr mine with my pocket knife though - this elimination of the mold lines made it much more comfortable to shoot.

I do not plan on shooting this at the range a lot. I put 150 rounds through it at the range and was satisfied with the performance. Cleaned it up and strapped it on.

I will shoot it occasionally - 50 rounds or so to keep myself familar with it, but that's it.

I can't imagine why anyone would carry such a poorly pointing, ugly, crappy trigger piece as a Glock. My experience and that of many. many others is different than yours Tonk. Maybe it's all those things to you, it isn't to me or many others. Pass along your experiences and spare us the proselytizing about what choices are right according to Tonk.

I have a keltec p32 & i love it.I have it all the time.

Planemech........Now let me just set your bow in a straight line young fellow! I hate the looks of all poly plastic pistols and have no love for the GLOCK understand. Just so you know the facts Pal!

Now I carry a Glock because I can no longer shoot my 1911's and with a bad hand can no longer sweep the safety off of any of my Kimbers, Colts etc. Shooting a revolver is not going to happen either.


However, the GLOCK is what it is and that is simply one of the very best dependable (bet your life on!) pistols a person could own that will not fail you on the battle field or streets. No other company has ever come close to running the tests and shooting as many rounds through their pistol as Glock has and you can go to U-Tube to see other tests done on a Glock. I carry the Ugly Glocks for a single purpose and that is to survive an attack and come out on top.

Those of you who kid yourself with a cheap pistol in your pocket and have not yet run 500 rounds through that pistol (Rapid Fire Shooting) before entering it into service are pushing the envelope. Why even Sig Sauer says to run 350 to 400 rounds through their pistols before they are broke in well enough etc.

once you go glock,you won't go back. i've owned 7 glocks this year. i have 2 g23's now. simple,reliable,accurate. what else could you want in a killing machine.

something that will carry in my front pants pocket without printing

I have carried and so has the wife, a Glock model 26 in my shorts front pocket and you can not tell I have a gun in my pants at all. However, I do not wear skin tight jeans guns! If I do wear jeans, I put the pistol in my right hand back pocket and it is covered by a long tail shirt such as a T-shirt or other shirt.

Do you use a pocket holster? I tried a glock and it printed badly in my dress pants every time I sat down. Not only could you tell I had something large in my front pocket, but it was clear it was a pistol.

The PF-9 is much thinner, and in my dress pants with a Desantis pocket holster it looks like a wallet when I sit. Maybe something one more step down would work slightly better. I have thought about a P-3AT, but in my case my PF-9 has been very reliable and accurate enough that its hard to justify the P-3AT

As for covering it with a shirt, my job isn't going to allow me to wear an untucked shirt. In the cooler months I can wear a suit coat, but May-Sept that would look out of place, say nothing of uncomfortable.

noKnees;

I've owned and shot dozens of Kel-tecs, and I have yet to find one that is a better combination of size, concealability, power, and reliability than the P3AT. I've run literally thousands of rounds through various P3ATs and IF YOU FEED IT AMMO IT LIKES have found them very reliable (non-ammo failures in the LOW single digit totals) and quite surprisingly accurate.

I've owned the P32s, P3ATs, PF-9s, and P-11s. Of the lot, the P3AT is, imho, the best, and for what you're looking for it is as near perfect as anything out there.

For ammo, stick with either the Speer GoldDot JHPs or Remington GoldenSabre JHPs. I've never had even a single issue with either of those loads in any P3AT I've shot.

Ah but Tonk, I have shot the PF-9 and my P3AT extensively. That's how I know they are reliable and they aren't guns to shoot matches or a couple boxes of ammo through in one session. There is a place for them in the world of CCW. Cost isn't a 100% reliable indication of quality or value. I fins it funny that a guy shooting relatively cheap plastic Glocks is dogging out other relatively cheap plastic guns as junk. There is plenty of product bias around here and less and less sharing of experiences with a product. I don't care why you like Glocks, it doesn't matter, I am happy you found something that works for you, no matter what it is. There are many more of us who have found a place and acceptable performance from the various Kel-Tec products than those who have not.

There are times where my OACP or even my CW40 are not optimal. For those times the Kel-Tecs are wonderful.

I have one and find it's size great for concealed carry. Shoots decent.

Planmech.......Now just in case you think I was picking on you and your Kel-Tec's, I suggest that anyone, who really wants to get the whole picture, just go over on the Kel-Tec pistol sight and read the remarks made by those who have purchased said "Cheap" made pistol. Read about all of those who have had to send their pistol back to get fixed.

Listen up, I gave those Kel-Tec's a real try out at the range. We went from the P-11 with a mile long trigger pull to the PF-9 and we went through 4 of those guns before I had enough of the JAMMING sessions. Now I know you are NOT shooting those Kel-Tecs in rapid fire because if you did they would indeed Jam on you sooner than later.
we had two gentlemen at my gun club who thought the same way about their Kel-Tec's....great little pistols. Yeah, until they tried shooting them as fast as they could pull that trigger and they found out, the true facts. They JAM JAM JAM BIG TIME!!!

We ran over 300 rounds through each of 4 new Kel-Tec pistols and a couple of Ruger LCP guns also. They all Jammed up sooner or later several times each. The best ammo was Blazer FMJ! Most did not like the hotter "self-dense" loads. On the Kel-Tec models, If one fails to let that trigger come all the way back after each cycle of the pistol, when firing it rapid (fast as you can pull that trigger) fire......IT WILL JAM and there is no way you can keep the trigger from going all the way forward on every shot in the magazine. I do hope you will soon realize, that to bet your life on something that goes Bang 80 percent of the time is not a good bet!!!

Only one comment, shooting a pistol as fast as you can pull the trigger is called "spray & pray", a VERY POOR substitute for controlled shooting and scoring good solid hits.

This from a 20 year competitive shooter in the SD competitions and 30 year veteran Deputy Sheriff. I would rather have 1 or two good solid hits than a whole magazine of air punching. I prefer groups to "patterns" Sir.

So, you have absolutely no experience with the P32s or P3ATs, then?

Also, it sounds much more like shooter error than firearm malfunction. Funny, that you admit to not allowing the trigger to reset as it's designed to, then blame the firearm.

You ran one P-11, didn't like the trigger pull. I can understand that, but that's not a malfunction. You ran 4 PF-9s, and found the same problem with them all: you didn't let the trigger reset.

So, the K-Ts aren't for you. Chalk it up to that, and move on.

That others, including myself, have run thousands of rounds through many more K-Ts than that, and through more models, finding no such fault (perhaps due to differences in firing style and/or hand geometry), says the same thing about these as about most firearms: find the one that works for you, and stick with it. That one might not work for you, does not mean that it can't, or won't, work VERY well for someone else; assuming it's not a complete POS. K-Ts are far from POS status, so chalk it up to just not working for you.

And, yes, I've fired Kel-Tecs rapid fire. Repeatedly. Including the P-11 with it's (very true) mile long trigger pull... just like a DA revolver.

I have a P3AT and it is a good, reliable weapon.
Only have 400 rounds through mine, and it did require a break in period of around 150 rounds.It is, so far, 100% reliable with 90gr Hydrashoks and Gold Dots.

I'm keeping mine.

Contacted Kel-Tec yesterday to get status on my returned gun and was told turn around time is 8 to 10 weeks (from the day they started tracking it in their facility) for warranty repairs. Seems like a long time to me, must have a lot of guns there to be repaired.

T. Lee,......So you think shooting a pistol fast as you can pull the trigger is "spray & pray" hey!!! Well for someone who says he has shot competition bla bla bla. I would have to say your just a little off base as to my abilities with a pistol Mr. Deputy. You must NOT have been keeping up with the times and competition lately, they do shoot damn fast. This is NOT a Deputy Dog "Slow Fire" event for pistol qualification.

Now I have had the pleasure of shooting with some very fast shooting people (FBI agents, DEA agents, and local commanders of the road patrol) over the years and I can assure you at 6 or 7 feet from a human torso target, I don't even use the sights on my 10mm Glock and will put 5 out of 5 rounds in the area of the palm of your hand, right on the vital kill zone. Heart or Head makes no never mind!

I can also make head shots at 75 yards with that very same pistol, just in case you don't know and you don't evidently. I sir sure as Hell don't need to pray to hit my targets!

KpYoung......Yes, they always seem to be way behind, if they tell you 4 weeks, you best figure at least 8 weeks etc.
Kel-Tec's are just cheap, gonna work sometime but will JAM City on you sooner than later. NOT a great weapon to bet your life on under any circumstance. However, some people could never see the forest for the trees, if they were standing dead center in the middle of the forest.

And?

I've seen TLEE shoot, and he's seen me do likewise. Consider that the above isn't that hard, and yes, I have the same G20 with the same capabilities (FUGGIN' GREAT PISTOL!).

The above doesn't change anything re: usefulness of the K-Ts vs. the inabilities/incompatibility of the user.

Had exactly the opposite experience, but what else is new?

You're experience with 4 PF-9s that did not fit you, and one P-11 that you didn't like, is not necessarily that broad, nor deep, of an experience.

VAnimrod.........Now yes I had 4 of the little plastic K-T pistols and they went by the wayside! Now what else do you want to harp about? Funny thing Guy, anyone who goes over to that Kel-Tec sight will soon find out those little cute plastic guns are a lot of trouble and do JAM JAM JAM and Break.......You must be the exception to the rule as far as Kel-Tec's and NOT JAMMING or Breaking goes.

I don't give a Rats A$$ if you have seen "Wild Bill Hickcock" shoot, just so you know. You haven't seen me shoot right! I didn't get off the big boat yesterday, especially when it comes to being able to shoot a friggin hand gun or other tools of the trade.

The ass on your shoulders thing helps your case immensely.

Funny, if you go to 1911 sites, you find all kinds of folks talking about their Kimber/Wilson/Springfield, etc, jamming, too. Does that mean that the 1911s put out by those companies all suck?

Tonk, there is fast controlled shooting and then there is spray & pray.

Just pulling the trigger as fast as you can trying to beat the reset is plain dumb. I don't need to embellish my shooting ability with claims of superman status, I was classed Master in in the IPSC and IDPA shooting I did and could run with the big dogs using 1911's in .45 & .38 Super and clean off 6 9" falling plates @ 25 yards in a taste over 3 seconds. I am a lot slower now days as I am near 70 years old, but I still hit what I shoot at using rapid fire not spray & pray, and no I cannot keep up with the kids anymore and know it.

The Kel-Tec's are not IPSC or IDPA guns, they are very good SD pistols for people that learn to shoot them properly. I have know 3-4 shooters that could whip my ass using revolvers against my 1911, there is ALWAYS somebody out there better than you are, ALWAYS.

Me thinks you need a bigger hat more than anything else.

Well like I stated prior......I know what a Kel-Tec is and I will not got so far as to let other people think or believe they are A-OK as a self-defense weapon of any kind.

Now as far as addressing my hat size, anytime you want to tell me some more about your shooting skills, I'll send you a friggin phone number and sing a tune in your ear as to just who you are really trying to impress. T-Lee one thing is for a FACT, I am the real deal my record does not LIE!!! You seem to have a big problem with the TRUTH according to others on this forum..........Dah!

VAnimrod....You sound like some kind of wise guy or wanna bee tuff guy......Ummmmmm maybe I should just pick up my marbles and go home in fear of getting an ass kicking hey. However, that will never happen.

Google "Kahr PM-9 problems"

Not hardly as reliable as the mystique indicates:

http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/gindex2.html

Funny one on H&K, heard a few other people that have had problems with their H&K make similar comments on the service they got as well.

http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/hk-because-you-suck-and-we-hate-you/

Tonk, I was merely stating my bonifides, I never said you couldn't do what you stated and frankly my dear I don't give a damn either way.

KMA & out.

I view your post as somewhat a threat! However, if you really want to know where I am at, I am not hard to find at all. I sure as hell am NOT your "dear" either. I am sure as hell not your "dear" savvy. I think your full of Bull-[bleep] period!!!
Oh yes, I am not by my lonesome in that assement either, least wise not on this forum.

Tonk;

You're seeing threats, where there aren't any, and seeing experience with an entire line-up of pistols, where you have none.

So, the reports of K-Ts jamming and having problems relegates the entire line (though you have no experience with the .380s and .32s) to junk status? Does that carry over through the reports of Kimber/Wilson, etc., 1911s jamming so all of their wares are junk, too? S&W Sigmas maligning the entire spectrum of S&Ws? Ruger SR-9s failing thus rendering every Ruger crap? Glock Ka-Booms trashing everything that Glock puts out...

Your logic, or lack thereof, extends only so far.

Carry on, though... you're making points quite nicely, though for the opposing positions.

Sean, I don't know what his problem is but he is now just among the ignored. Life is too short for this crap my friend. Especially when they don't even recognize the the Rhett Butler quote from the end of Gone with the Wind!

Beginning to agree with you, ol' friend.

Wow, someone must have missed a few doses. Calm down, its just the internet.

Nope, just my "bonifides" from hurricane Charley, that was in the NY Times and papers all over the place. I can be serious if I have to be and don't threaten folks over the innernet nor do I feel the need to.

T;

I don't think Partagas was talking to/about you; just using the "Quick Reply".

Damn, guess this means I better not make any more comments about cats to you,Terry!

grin

Has the forearm got a little hump at the bottom/front or is it just partially hiding an exclamation point?

You can kid all you want about the cats, just don't try to loot Casa Lee!

Exclamation point on the wall.

whoops, yeah watch out for the quick reply. Vanimrod is correct.

No offense was taken anyway. I just get tired of the chest thumpers sometimes. And I use the quick reply almost all the time myself.

I have a pf9. It has done everything I have asked it too. I am confident it is a fine self defense weapon.

FWIW, I have had TONK on ignore for about a year now. He is quite the piece of work.

I just bought a PF-9 today after finding in the last couple of years that the KAHR CM and P series pistols were just a tad too long in the grip area even though I could shoot them well. Still a bit heavy when loaded as well. I bought a KelTech 11 shooter last week and found it, like the GLocks I have tried to be too fat when riding in the front pocket of either my suit pants or my jeans. So far, the PF-9 has been riding VERY comfortably in the front of my Wranglers and When I shot it rapid fire at the range it ran great. I was surprised at how light the trigger pull was and how good the sights are on such an inexpensive pistol. I may have found my every day pocket pistol solution.

Clip and barrel are full of Federal critical defense 115gr +P hp's. Liking it real well so far.