So I was all set to buy a Stainless 4" Ruger GP100 .357 Mag and send it off to Dave Clements to convert to 10mm and a few other custom touches and then Glock brings out the Model 40. I know it is apples and oranges but the discretionary funds only allow for one. The Glock and optic will end up around $1000 - $1200 and the work on the Ruger will be $765 plus $500-$600 for the gun. Any suggestions?

If your thinking 10mm in a revolver take it to the next level and go to 41 magnum. With some hunting you could find astainless redhawk factory chambered in 41 have it chopped to whatever length you want and still be spending way less then a custom 10mm. With what your going to lose between barrel length and cylinder gap your going to probable be down near 40 s+w instead of true 10mm ballistics. Only real advantage with the revolver is no possible feeding issues.

And with a revo - no chasing the expensive, hard-to-find brass in the woods

Ruger made a few Blackhawks in .38-40/10mm, and they should be less expensive yet.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=465259402

S&W 610's are fine weapons and very desirable among collectors; I have a 5" and it shoots well.

You can find good Kimbers/Colt Deltas for a grand or so.

Exactly. I don't see the appeal of a 10mm in a revolver when the 41 mag is available.

Exactly why a 10mm over a 41 mag in a revolver. The 10's appeal is in a semi auto IMHO

I have had several S&W Model 57s and Ruger Blackhawks in .41 Mag and while I love the .41 I like the 10 more. I have had several model 610s but always thought they should have been on the "L" frame. I have always wanted to have a custom gun built so I may just do it.

an L frame or GP 6 shot using moon clips would be a very slick gun in my view , and you could also shoot the cheap .40 ammo

the fourties loaded in moon clips would fit in fairly compact belt pouches


a four inch M57 runs about 48 ounces.....a 10mm sixgun could come in at around a half lb. lighter.......

What do you want to do with it?

The best advice I can give you, is to make sure you like moonclips before moving forward on the revolver.

I would also advise you try an optic on a pistol before taking the plunge.

If you decide you like moonclips, I'd go that route. Easier to keep track of brass and .40 brass is abundant even during tough times.



Travis

I have a friend who has a Leup red dot on a S&W 625, and a Trijicon red dot on a FN 45 auto. I've played with both and find myself searching for the dot in the light. It takes me alot longer to line up/find the dot than regular irons. It could be I don't have enough rounds down range for it to work for me.

10mm Glock is never a bad choice, as long as your not firing thermo nuclear rounds. Gunbroker has a dealer in Ohio that's taking Lone Wolf slides and putting them on Glock frames. You get a choice in barrel length, and a ported barrel or compensator should you want one. About 800.00ish if I recall correctly.

Or you can get one of five Sig 220's that should be out by May. All of the semi auto's on the market have more rounds on tap than a revolver.

I tend to like the 10mm as an auto pistol round myself. On the other hand, I can easily see why you'd like a lighter 10mm revolver.
Since you've had both the 10mm and the .41 Mag in revolvers, I need not point out the differences to you.
In auto pistols, no way would I ever consider a Glock, especially for hunting. Their "stapler" trigger break would be enough. Their inability to handle high pressure loads is another. It's easy to overload a 10mm with handloads.
I see no reason why you shouldn't do the custom revolver. But, if you go with an auto pistol, I'd recommend a stronger gun with a much better trigger break. E

Just get a 45 Colt and be done with it.

I did have a Model 25 that I had cut for moon clips so it would shoot .45 ACP, .460 Rowland and .45 Colt. I should have kept that one. I guess I am kinda fickle but I do realize that if I go the custom route you never get out of it what you put in it if you sell it so I better make sure that is what I want.

I say "be sure" because some people grow to hate moonclips.

But I can say if you didn't like it, I'd buy it.

I think a Flattop Ruger with two cylinders would be cool as fugg. One of these days I'm going to stop being a pussy and get it done.



Travis

Everyone has an opinion, but not everyone's opinion is based on facts. Yours seems to fit that description. What "stronger" 10mm auto are you referring to?

Personally I wouldn't bother with a revolver for a 10mm, but if a guy just "wants" one, that should be all the reason you need.

Glock will take loads a Delta cannot, according to Underwoods ammo. Not much of a difference between Glock loads and Delta loads, but the difference swings in Glocks favor, not the other way around.

10mm in a revolver would be fine if you like or want moon clips and if you perhaps want to load only one caliber for auto and revolver. Barring moon clip preferences, I would probably go another way with my caliber choice, but there is nothing wrong with a 10mm revolver.

A 1006 is a nice option to consider as well. If you're comfortable with the weight of the GP100, the 1006 ought to have some thought.

I like the 10mm in both revolver and auto. One nice thing about the moon clipped 10mm's it the ability to shoot 40S&W ammo. On the same note, you can pick up a KKM 10 to 40 conversion barrel and shoot 40 out of the G20. Not sure if they will do a conversion barrel for the G40.

I think I'd look for a S&W 610 rather than convert a GP100. It would probably be about the same cost (via Gunbroker) and no wait for the work. You'd also likely be able to sell the 610 in the future for no loss...which is doubtful with the custom GP100.

...now if you want to convert a 4.2" SP101 to a 5 shot/moon clipped 10mm I'm all for it! ...and I'm willing to purchase it from you for ~1/2 price a year from now!

well geez , shoot hell out of it I suppose

what do you do with any handgun ?

180 gr XTP will shoot right thru a whitetail , side to side

Hell, I don't know...maybe because hiking with one vs tree stand hunting means different things are important? Maybe because home defense is a lot different than CCW or target shooting? Silly things like form following function and use dictating preference?

4 inch 10mm GP would be an excellant all around pistol in my book , usable for near any purpose except big bear defense or deep concealment

assuming a fella was in the mood to tote a sixgun instead of an auto

Plus one on this idea. Cheers NC

I have often thought of having Harton make me a second 10mm cylinder on this old flattop 38 WCF he built for me.

Nice! One of the other ones I considered is a New Model Vaquero .357 frame converted to 10mm and Clement's S&W style rear sight and his pinned on front sight.

i acquired one of those a few years ago. That long tube adds a new dimension to 10mm in terms of velocity.

The other I am thinking is a second cylinder for this Smith. I have one of the mentioned Ruger convertibles that I will be selling later this year.

That's a NICE model 28 S&W ! Was it converted to .38 WCF ? Never seen one in that caliber.

I've had one of the Ruger Buckeye Sports Specials in 38-40 / 10mm for a long time. Never clocked it for velocity, over a chrono, but it's a very accurate handgun.

I think I have found a perfect GP100 for the conversion. It is the stainless Wiley Clapp version with 3" barrel and Novak sights. Looking at 8 to 12 month turnaround. I should probably spring for an action job while he has it.

Well crap! The Wiley Clapp version won't work. It has too much taper to the front of the cylinder.

Convert the Clapp version to the one that will take moon clips and fire all the .355"-.358" rimmed, semi-rimmed, and rimless rounds (.380 to .357Magnum).

You still haven't indicated what your preferred use for this rig would be. Form follows function.

I just bought a S&W Model 69 .44 Mag to hunt with and my daily carry gun for the past year has been a RIA 10mm which I have also used for deer and pigs. I am really leaning toward the Ruger 10mm conversion as another carry gun. Plus I have never had a custom handgun and I will be turning 50 next year and by the time it will be complete it will be a nice birthday present.

Ah.

The GP is a heavy piece to carry daily. However, wanting a "semi-custom" I can understand.

I can't see giving up a 1911 as a carry piece for a GP, as it won't carry nearly as well. Then again, neither would a Glock or a 1006, so if it's a 10 you're sold on, then why not?

I have a G20 and a 1076, but when I come across a G40, i'll have a hard time resisting. I guess I just don't get having a revolver chambered for an auto cartridge, but I'd like to try JCM's idea of the 4.2" SP101 to a 5 shot/moon clipped 10mm, purely for R&D of course.

I have ordered a stainless GP100 .38 Spcl with 3 inch barrel and adjustable sights to send to Clements. The finished product should look something like this:

You should.

And sell it.

To me.



Travis

Fuggin' cool man.




Travis

Since I will have a year wait and will need an IWB and a belt holster does anyone have any suggestions?

Milt Sparks or Rosen. Done.

This^^^^^^^^^^^^^

More than happy to oblige. Working an azzload of OT?

Yes. I had Al Seigrist rebore the barre and Alan Harton do the rest.

Work?

Are you crazy?



Travis

The 10mm, to me, is intended to be used in a semi-auto. I can see no logical reason to have a 10mm revolver when the 41 Mag. is available (except....just because...and that's enough reason for a "gun nut").

Everyone seems to assume the Glock (which I dislike) or the Colt Delta (which I love) are the only options. One gun chambered in 10mm which I own and like is the EAA Witness. It is much lower in price to the Delta (which is why I don't own a Delta) and, to me, a better made gun than the Glock.

The Witness has the advantage of being able to be carried in singe action mode (cocked and locked) like a 1911, or in double action configuration (hammer down, double action). It is NOT a lightweight or small pistol, but I can handle it well even with my short fingers (particularly with the hammer back (cocked and locked).

Mine is very accurate and it is half the price of a 1911 in 10mm. It is even cheaper than the Glock and doesn't have a reputation of "blowing up" with heavy loads. Quite a nice gun for the money.

Look at the Witness and I think you will be impressed. Unless you are just hung up on the revolver idea, I believe the Witness is the way to go. If revolver is your goal....the >41 Mag. is a much better choice than the 10mm.

I have had just about every 10mm except the original Bren Ten. I had a Witness compact but he er could warm up to it. I have had the different S&W 1000 series guns and several 610s, various 1911s and Glocks and loved them all. It is time for a custom 10.

this one is also a pretty good option

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=465934438

I'm thinkin' this guy might be a Texan.



Travis

I've got a GP 100 in 10mm by Clements Custom, it's a handy little thing.

Ronnie

Sweet! Did you have the action job done and if so was it worth it?

Yes, it has an action job and it much nicer than stock. Also have 2 front sights, one a green fiber optic.
Ronnie

pacecars
Is that a 5 or 6 shot unit?? It would be faster if it take one moon clip for all the cylinders, but would you have to carry several loaded clips all the time? Other wise just do a 41 mag.
with speed loader. I just kinda partial with BH in 41 and Glock 20, so have both bases covered. But neither is as nice. Cheers NC

I had several Witness pistols in 45 and 10mm before stepping up to the G20. They are good solid guns, but the magazines aren't that great, which really takes away from the gun's performance. Accuracy in both my 45's was good, but the 10mm was just so-so, nothing to brag about. In my experience, the Witness was no less prone to blowing out a case head than the G20. If you don't mind the weight, they are a reasonably good gun for the price, but they are definitely not on the same quality level as a Glock or a good 1911.

It is a six shot. I had a 610 and a 25 that I carried occasionally and just carried a couple of loaded clips in my pocket with no problems.

I'm gonna have to send something to Clements because of you.




Travis

Ruger LCR?

Probably a Flattop.

I need one in a .40.

LCR's are perfect from the factory...



Travis

I have no doubt that this won't be the last one I send him. Next on the list is a New Vaquero rechambered to 10mm and barrel cut to 4 inches and one of his S&W style rear sights and dovetail front sights installed.

The new Glock 40 looks interesting

yea, I've been halfheartedly looking for a G20L (longslide) for a few years. I haven't seen a G40 for sale yet, but soon...

just picked up a 1076 to go with my G20, though...

After yesterday I realized life is too short. We had a call about a guy slumped over the steering wheel at an intersection and when the officer got on scene it turned out to be one of my dispatchers. He was only 43 which is 6 years younger than me. If the Glock G40 is available through Blue Label I am buying one too.

me want

I tried a DeltaPoint on my CORE for a while. Made longer shots a piece of cake but I just could not get used to it for shooting up close and fast.

On a hunting pistol it would probably be tough to beat.


Travis

speaking of DeltaPoint, they have a DeltaPoint Pro listed now

I like it better already...



Travis

Is that a sight on the back?

I think so

Expensive little booger

and speaking of expensive little boogers, S&W model 310 now on GB. not mine.





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Damn, that's an ugly pistol.

LOL, I thought it was kinda cool except for the lock. Sc frame, dunno if the cylinder is Ti like the Airlights, though.

edit

blackened SS cylinder. S&W 310

If it was on an L frame it would be perfect. I don't feel bad about the Clements 10 seeing the price of the 310

I agree with those that question why a 10mm custom revolver when a Smith 657 in .41 is available. Or a Redhawk in .44 Mag/Spl or .45 Colt?

But it’s your money.

The G40 is 9-1/2” long, much too long for my taste for CCW, and the 10mm will yield more flash, bang and recoil. In shorter barrels the 10mm provides and extra 130fps with a 180g bullet (per Hodgdon web site), 1285fps vs 1150fps, but the 10mm requires an extra inch in barrel length and higher pressures to do so. If you can’t get it done with a .40, a 10mm in a similar length barrel isn’t going to help all that much.

If hunting is the intended purpose, I’d stick with a revolver in a .44 or .45.

Yep. The L-frame NG's are perfection. The N's are pretty beefy.

I have a S&W Model 69 .44 Magnum for hunting already. I had a RIA 1911 10mm that doubles for everyday carry and hunting. A friend of mine decided he wants one too so we just had are dealer order 2 GP100 .38 Spcl with 3 inch barrels and adjustable sights. As soon as the arrive they will be sent to Clements. I will alternate carrying it with the 1911 10mm.

No argument with what anyone wants to do with their money...."just because" is enough reason for a gun nut.

However, to me, the 10mm is a cartridge made for a semi-auto. It provides a serious hunting round in a semi-auto configuration. If you are going to go with a revolver, the .41 or .44 Magnum makes a lot more sense to me. There is NO advantage to the 10mm in a revolver.

This 10mm will be the cat's meow as they say. My friend and I have been looking and talking aboit having this conversion done for five years so it has been well thought out. I love the 10mm and this gun will be a perfect platform. Moon clips are great speed loaders and I can also shoot the abundant .40 S&W for practice. The only downside is the 12 to 14 month wait.

Personally, the simple rechamber and cut to allow everything from .380 to .38Super and 9x23 makes more sense in that platform, but hey, have fun with what will be a cool piece anyway.

I might have to do that with the Wiley Clapp version. TK Custom can do it pretty quick for $300

Yep. That one makes a whole lot of sense.

Adding my 2 cents worth on this subject, recently switched to the glock mod 20, I live in AK and bears are a potential threat. Used to switch between different handguns for people or animal defense but either can happen anytime so wanted one handgun for ccw and bear defense. Settled on the glock mod 20, carry magazines loaded with 220 buffalo bore hardcast and 135 corbon hollow points, quick change of magazines and am fairly well prepared for either situation. Never was a glock fan but after using it as a duty weapon for many years it has earned a grudging respect. Did change to the pyramid trigger system. Personally don't see much use for a revolver in 10mm, but to each their own.