Okay, I gotta say I'm rather surprised at this. The FBI's RFP for a new handgun was for a modular handgun, similar to the RFP for the Army. It seemed custom written for the Sig 320, but now Glock wins??

Well, they could have done much worse.


http://money.cnn.com/2016/06/30/news/companies/glock-gun-contract-fbi/index.html

http://www.recoilweb.com/glock-awarded-fbi-contract-102629.html

A new gun not commercially available! Can't wait to see it!

Mike

It'll be a Glock frame without finger grooves


Hasn't anyone figured out the Feebs only don't his schit to waste budget money, in order to keep the budget

That's why they didn't go to Flave Precision. He would have saved them money getting rid of the finger grooves and thrown in colorizing in any color offered by Rust-Oleum or Krylon. If they had called him before midnight tonight, he would have thrown in some free tactical training.

Kudos to the FB gals for picking something worth a fugk.

I could easily make them more better but they don't have the budget.




Clark

I stand corrected. I thought you could have brought that contract in for under $50 Million even if you had to buy a bunch more dog leashes.

That's a lot of Rust-Oleum!




Clark

Hmm, magic powder? That's the official "line". Want to bet it's because the 9mm is easier for the agents of the female persuasion to shoot?

Don

Wanna bet that it's easier for everyone to shoot.

Must be what Glock submitted for the Army's Modular Handgun competition.

Exactly.

The "technological advancement" is more powder and more pressure. Doesn't sound too advanced to me.

Exactly....a heavier recoiling handgun does not make its shooter "cool." Sometimes, good enough is exactly that.

Maybe I can finally see one! Going to harass the only Austrian I know

Mike

It doesn't surprise that they stayed with glock

English dude

Agreed, but I'm not seeing the advantage to modularity. Why not just adopt the 17 or 19?

It includes an instruction manual written in English! Damn German bigots.

Modularity is the cool catch phrase of the day.


Remember, the FBI is run by lawyers and accountants. Not street cops

I don't see anything in the RFP tgat mentions modularity.


It mentions 1 full size, and one compact pistol

I imagine they will produce a frame without finger grooves, but with a rail

I found it rather amusing for the so called "gun press" to predict that the Sig P320 was the intended design. Details matter. A careful reading of the bid requirements, a thorough knowledge of the various product lines and an understanding of shooting and training requirements would reveal that Glock was the likely choice. With the requirement of a dedicated Non-Lethal Training Ammunition pistol and a functional simulator pistol, none of the other players are close to easily providing a comprehensive package.

With the variety of entirely suitable 9mm bullets, the ability to shoot more accurately is always a benefit.

For a huge agency with a multitude of roles, the advantages are many. For an individual like you and I, not much at all.

Explain that. The first part. I get the second part.

there is a lot of secret resentment towards the Glock, mainly because its a cheap plastic pistol that works all the time. Its kind of like the AK of pistols only different. From 1-25 yards any 9mm Glock will do all that needs doing. If your going to stretch it past 25 you will need a tactilization package from FlaveTactical. Best Regards. Toby

Because then, the recruits (or is it 'clients') would have to adapt to the weapon instead of the other way around. It might be uncomfortable for Agents Aiden and Francois.

Same reason they adopted the 38 +P Rimless Short.

I still can't find anywhere in the RFP where it even mentions modularity

It states one full size pistol

And

One compact pistol

One post after 13 years.

Congratulations! You earned this.

and yet it was a good post by a man who read the bid requirements.

In light of recent "developments" with the FBI, one has to wonder how large Glock's contribution to the Clinton Foundation was.

he's a federal spook that was just here to record things, but couldn't stand it any longer....

I would imagine that the FBI would have a place for a full size, compact, and sub-compact pistol. And would occasionally have use for a suppressed pistol.

So one basic pistol platform can do all of those. Your training session is one session, on multiple configurations of one pistol. Holster inventory is greatly simplified. There will be one training and service manual, rather than 3-4. The modularity allows the end user to fix any issue, no need for an armorer, just drop in a new trigger module or slide, send the old one either to the armorer, or back to Sig.

At pretty much every FBI office, you'll be able to convert your pistol for a new role, and they'll have gun and leather on hand for you as well as spare magazines regardless of the configuration. Weapon lights will now fit all models of pistols.

Basically any role that you would have for an FBI agent, can be filled with one pistol; that really simplifies things for an agency the size of the FBI.

You come into the office and find yourself doing under-cover work, or assigned to the SWAT team, swap top halves and magazines to fit the two roles; you're done.

For finding something to fit a wide variety of hands. There are 3 frame sizes, and then within each of those frame sizes, there are 3 backstrap sizes per frame.

For the armorers, they train on one pistol. Right now they have to be trained for AT LEAST 6 different handguns currently (both pistols and revolvers). Or maybe they just skip having an armorer altogether, and just let the end user swap uppers & lowers to fix any problem the may be having, then send the defective units back to Sig.

No kidding. With all of Glock's legal troubles, maybe they're hoping some of Hillary's tefflon will rub off onto them.

I kinda think they should allow the agents to pick their own pistols. I wear size 10.5 4E shoes, and I'd hate to try to wear my neighbor's size 12 C-width shoes..

It just doesn't work that well.

Give the agents an allowance to purchase their own, set up certain criteria (minimum chamberings, etc.) and let them choose their own.
The Glock family just doesn't fit my hands, and I don't like their triggers, either (I had one, shot the crap out of it, but couldn't come to terms with it).

I guess I'm spoiled by having some really good 1911s and BHPs over the years, along with the CZ-75 and clones, and many others. I shot my 19 pretty well, but never could work up any fondness for it. I tried, but I don't really have any fondness for a cheap framing hammer compared to something better, either.
Let those who are going to carry them, pick what they want to carry.

Very poor idea, given the amount and frequency of travel agents do, the chances of being partnered up with someone in another area that you've not worked with and therefore an unfamiliar firearm might be your other option if that person is hit or your weapon malfunctions, and a host of other reasons.

I try to stay in my lane. This is an area I know a little bit about.

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he's a federal spook that was just here to record things, but couldn't stand it any longer.... [/quote]

Naw......

25+ years LE and privy to several manufacturers product lines.

The Feebs already issue Glocks why would they change to a completely different platform

A. The modularity aspect wasn't even a requirement in the rfp.

The fbi standard issue is the G23, but they also can get the G22, G17 and G 19. They can also purchase the G26 and 27 as secondary weapons and are autjorized to.purchase and qualify with the a Glock 21.

Having a current inventory of holsters for the Glocks makes it a no brainer

That's great in theory but it's not a reality for LE. Especially the EFF-Bee-eye.

90% of those clown shoes couldn't put an M4 back together any quicker than they could find their own ass with two hands and a map!

Modularity is stupid IMO. Every department/agency should have a standard issue duty gun and allow anything for plain clothes and backup purposes. Within reason of course.



Dave