Which and why? It would be cheapest for me to buy a threaded barrel for my M&P CORE but I have a friend that claims the .40 sucks suppressed even when using 180's that are subsonic.
Otherwise I am planning on an entirely new pistol. Same friend claims the 9's with 147's are nirvana.
Have shot 147gr 9mm thru a 45 TiRant and it was noticeably quieter that 45, so I'm sure a dedicated 9 can would be better. Both calibers were through Glocks. Shooting the cans wet made a huge difference. Never suppressed 40. The biggest giggles are from a 44 Ruger rifle with 44 special speed loads.
I don't own one (yet), but have and do shoot a bunch owned by friends. The .40 just seems louder, no matter what. .45s can be silly quiet. 9s, too, but the .45 ammo range for subsonic is broader. Either seems to work, and when a 9 is quiet, it's damned quiet.
flave, no 1st hand experience yet on centerfires. Have an Omega and Hybrid that will be in 41P purgatory for a while. So, it'll probably be eoy before the dust settles.
But, for what it's worth, heard the same you have on 9mm.. 147's are the shizzle.
The smaller the bore the easier it is to suppress the noise. That's why 9mm has been the preferred handgun caliber for quiet work...that's what they told me at ninja school.
flave, no 1st hand experience yet on centerfires. Have an Omega and Hybrid that will be in 41P purgatory for a while. So, it'll probably be eoy before the dust settles.
But, for what it's worth, heard the same you have on 9mm.. 147's are the shizzle.
I hate to buy another handgun but a man has to do, what a man has to do.
Clark
PS - A .25 saved my life Sunday. Rattler came up behind me when I was shooting prone. Just got my hand on my EDC and my spotter lit him up. 9 rounds of awesome.
Flave - they are all fun but 9mm is definitely quietest. 40 kinda sucks in comparison; higher muzzle pressure and larger bore.
If you already have the suppressor and just need a threaded barrel swap for the 40 though, might as well try it. Suppress all of them; some are better than others but they're all better with mufflers.
Side note - if you load your own, subsonic lighter bullets run quieter than the heavy stuff; less powder and pressure required. 125gr 9mm subs, for example. Remember muzzle pressure = sound, still applies through a suppressor.
If you're keeping the can on one gun, and want it to be as quiet as possible, go 9mm. I wouldn't waste time with .40 in your case, unless you're going to load your own, something like 140gr cast subsonics maybe.
Have you heard or fired suppressed centerfire pistols before? If not, you might be a bit disappointed; actual "hollywood quiet" setups are pretty rare, and require a perfect combination of gun, suppressor, and ammo. Suppressed 9mm pistols can be pretty quiet though.
I hate to buy another handgun but a man has to do, what a man has to do.
Clark
PS - A .25 saved my life Sunday. Rattler came up behind me when I was shooting prone. Just got my hand on my EDC and my spotter lit him up. 9 rounds of awesome.
Clark,
You could just get a .40 to 9mm conversion barrel that's threaded for your .40 M&P; they work very well, even suppressed. There's several companies that make them.
9 times out of 10 you just drop in the barrel and go. When using a can, there's always the chance of needing a different recoil spring regardless of if you're converting calibers or not. But when converting on rare occasions you may require a lighter recoil spring, but most will work with the .40 recoil spring. I would say for optimal reliability I would always go lighter on the recoils spring when going from .40 to 9mm, and I would use dedicated 9mm magazines even though the .40 magazines almost always work perfectly. I would use dedicated 9mm mags just out of convenience.
But if you don't like the one gun solution, there's nothing wrong with just buying a threaded 9mm M&P to go along with your .40 M&P. But another gun is almost 3x the cost of just doing the barrel.
I hate to buy another handgun but a man has to do, what a man has to do.
Clark
PS - A .25 saved my life Sunday. Rattler came up behind me when I was shooting prone. Just got my hand on my EDC and my spotter lit him up. 9 rounds of awesome.
Clark, don't know if you ever look at Sigforum.com, but there's a pretty good suppressed/Cl III section. There's a current discussion on Octanes/9mm/etc.
Clark, don't know if you ever look at Sigforum.com, but there's a pretty good suppressed/Cl III section. There's a current discussion on Octanes/9mm/etc.
I have not.
This is the only place that allows me to post on the internet.
I read on a suppressor manufacture site the other day that 9mm did not do that well suppressed, which surprised me. My county sheriff told me when he signed for my .44 can that a vendor brought one (9mm) to his office and fired it into a box on his desk, and the secretary in the other room could not hear it?
I am now waiting for one for my Ruger Standard .22 LR semi-auto, but will be getting a chance to "try" a bunch of other calibers, so I hope to find out for myself soon how .45 ACP does, at any rate.
I read on a suppressor manufacture site the other day that 9mm did not do that well suppressed, which surprised me. My county sheriff told me when he signed for my .44 can that a vendor brought one (9mm) to his office and fired it into a box on his desk, and the secretary in the other room could not hear it?
I am now waiting for one for my Ruger Standard .22 LR semi-auto, but will be getting a chance to "try" a bunch of other calibers, so I hope to find out for myself soon how .45 ACP does, at any rate.
Mike
Compared to what? Context is important.
Compared to a .22 - duh
Compared to a .40 or .45 - I call BS based on my own experience and everything I've read and seen about the subject.
I have several times shot suppressed 9mm in the basement or attached garage without the wife hearing it.
They didn't say compared to what, but it was in a discussion of centerfire handgun rounds. I didn't think much of it, either. For Dave, they also said .308 was hard to suppress successfully, but I think they were talking supersonic for both. With my suppressor, which is NOT the best, supersonic .44 mag is pretty loud. Subsonic, depending on the particular load, can be very quiet. I was talking to a retired police officer last week, who - with his son, who is still active LEO - about a suppressor they handled in their shop, where they sell suppressors, SBR's short shotguns, and machine guns, that they were both disappointed in, until they were told it was supposed to be a "wet" suppressor. After they added some transmission fluid or something similar to the front end of it, it shot considerably quieter.
They didn't say compared to what, but it was in a discussion of centerfire handgun rounds.
I wouldn't trust any suppressor manufacturer who said 9mm doesn't suppress well in that context; they simply don't know what they're talking about. I'd cease to believe or repeat anything they said at that point, their credibility is gone.
Not all suppressor manufacturers know what's what. I talked to a rep for one last year who said they won't make pistol suppressors because they "don't believe in the Nielsen device" (his words). Brilliant.
LOL no, they were talking about boosters, which are needed for most semi auto pistols to let the gun cycle when suppressed. I got a chuckle about the level of ignorance required to "not believe in them". That's a side note though, just a comment about not believing everything a suppressor manufacturer says.
Having fully processed 5 now and dealt with countless suppliers and vendors, I'd have to say that business has no less scheisters and creeps than Barnum & Bailey ever did.
This post is meant as a sharing of information. Any trolling, pompous blathering, criticism or other such response may be rewarded with a hearty GFY, STFU, FOAD or all 3.
Been doing more diligence on centerfire pistol cans and potential hosts now that all paperwork for cans on order is done and just waiting on approvals and stamps. And, this is what I've come up with so far.
At least for now, the 2 cans that have bubbled to the top of consideration are the Rugged Obsidian 45 and Ti-Rant 45 (like Flave ordered). They are very close in performance, price, size, weight and materials used. They both can also be run in a short (~ 7") or long (~ 9") configuration with the expected slight loss of sound suppression.
Makes it kind of a tough call. But, the $200 gift certificate Silencershop has out there now for anyone buying an AAC product before the end of May 2017 is pretty darn enticing for the Ti-Rant. The Rugged Obsidian gets a slight nod based on its ability to run 2 more calibers with it (300 BLK subsonic and 10mm).
Anybody have more info to add, please feel free to chime in.
Flave, was the Obsidian 45 available when you signed off on the Ti-Rant? Curious. Also curious why FN thinks that FNX45T is $600 better than that XDM.
'Flave, when did you file your trust paperwork? Seems like they billed my card day or three before the deadline. I sent in a form to SBS my ol' Narc shotgun I bought after department traded it.
Anxious to pop a12.5-in. Barrel on it. Pistol can will be next for me, too.
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