I think it comes down to where you plan to go, the weather temperature, what you have in stock, etc.
For awhile I had my NAA mini-revolver that I mostly carried, I often forgot it was in my pocket, very comfortable to carry. The Ruger LCP for riskier places, but it is slightly larger and heavier. I sold the NAA gun as I did not feel it was adequate for going up against someone who had a Glock, etc.
I have larger handguns that would be almost impossible to carry in my pocket, but I could see bringing them along in a hip holster to a place I knew to be a risk being there.
I used to carry a Smith and Wesson large frame .357 magnum on hikes in the Oregon Cascades in case of bear risks.
For awhile I had my NAA mini-revolver that I mostly carried, I often forgot it was in my pocket, very comfortable to carry. The Ruger LCP for riskier places, but it is slightly larger and heavier. I sold the NAA gun as I did not feel it was adequate for going up against someone who had a Glock, etc.
I have larger handguns that would be almost impossible to carry in my pocket, but I could see bringing them along in a hip holster to a place I knew to be a risk being there.
I used to carry a Smith and Wesson large frame .357 magnum on hikes in the Oregon Cascades in case of bear risks.
The guy through out some great things to take into consideration. Particularly for folks who haven't got any training yet but still want to carry.
I carry what I WILL carry, not leave in the safe! That means mostly my 431PD with C-T laser grip or Series 80 Govn't .380 with Colt marked Laser-Max unit.
I can hit well with either even under stress and loaded with Cor-Bon ammo feel quit happy with my choice.
Yes I would carry the Commander .45 but with my orthopedic problems it is quite wearing.
I can hit well with either even under stress and loaded with Cor-Bon ammo feel quit happy with my choice.
Yes I would carry the Commander .45 but with my orthopedic problems it is quite wearing.
Well rounded video as presented by Lucky Gunner. His last sentence is a good summary.
For me, what I'd prefer to carry going into a fight, is likely different than what I'd prefer to carry all day long during times of lowest risk. During those times of low risk, where I prefer smaller and lighter, I gravitate toward the smallest handgun that I can run like a full sized gun, in the context of speed and accuracy of shots on target. Likely though, it will hold fewer rounds due to its size. But, for the capacity it has, I stay away from a package that is too small for me, so that my speed and accuracy suffers. What I can run well in a small handgun is likely different than what others can run, based upon our differing levels of training and experience.
For me, what I'd prefer to carry going into a fight, is likely different than what I'd prefer to carry all day long during times of lowest risk. During those times of low risk, where I prefer smaller and lighter, I gravitate toward the smallest handgun that I can run like a full sized gun, in the context of speed and accuracy of shots on target. Likely though, it will hold fewer rounds due to its size. But, for the capacity it has, I stay away from a package that is too small for me, so that my speed and accuracy suffers. What I can run well in a small handgun is likely different than what others can run, based upon our differing levels of training and experience.
Mostly common sense but some very good points.
I can say I'm not carrying G19 size guns any more unless somebody is paying me by the hour.
Clark
I can say I'm not carrying G19 size guns any more unless somebody is paying me by the hour.
Clark
Originally Posted by deflave
I can say I'm not carrying G19 size guns any more unless somebody is paying me by the hour.
I'm just glad you came around to carrying a decent pistol.... grin.
Travis
Travis
Originally Posted by deflave
I'm just glad you came around to carrying a decent pistol.... grin.
Travis
Travis
That’s a good video, but I think you can make things even simpler.
Unless you spend a lot of time in a high risk environment (cab driver, food delivery, motel or convenience store clerk, jewelry store owner, etc) what I’m about to say will likely apply to you.
99.9% of the people who are denoted as “Victims” on a Police Report are victims because they’re unarmed, not because they have the wrong gun, wrong ammo, wrong holster or they lack shooting skills.
So the question that must be answered first is; what gun will allow you to carry ALL the time? The answer isn’t usually the gun you shoot the best, has the best sights or holds the most rounds. The gun most people can actually carry all the time is almost always a compromise of sorts.
As long as the gun you choose is reliable, and you are READY (awareness) ….. WILLING (mindset) and ABLE (skill) to use it, you will very likely come out on top.
Most of the folks that claim they carry a gun usually do so only a few hours a day after work or on the weekends. They think they’re better prepared because they carry better guns a few hours a week, but they’re only fooling themselves.
If you think you can guess correctly WHEN you might need a gun - any gun - why wouldn’t you just avoid the danger altogether?
Unless you spend a lot of time in a high risk environment (cab driver, food delivery, motel or convenience store clerk, jewelry store owner, etc) what I’m about to say will likely apply to you.
99.9% of the people who are denoted as “Victims” on a Police Report are victims because they’re unarmed, not because they have the wrong gun, wrong ammo, wrong holster or they lack shooting skills.
So the question that must be answered first is; what gun will allow you to carry ALL the time? The answer isn’t usually the gun you shoot the best, has the best sights or holds the most rounds. The gun most people can actually carry all the time is almost always a compromise of sorts.
As long as the gun you choose is reliable, and you are READY (awareness) ….. WILLING (mindset) and ABLE (skill) to use it, you will very likely come out on top.
Most of the folks that claim they carry a gun usually do so only a few hours a day after work or on the weekends. They think they’re better prepared because they carry better guns a few hours a week, but they’re only fooling themselves.
If you think you can guess correctly WHEN you might need a gun - any gun - why wouldn’t you just avoid the danger altogether?
Carrying Kahr P9 today
As you might already know, I've had one of those since the year they were introduced. I've got nothing but good to say about it. It had a stint of several years as my EDC. Never a jam, although I have had two small parts breakages that were fixed.
The Kahr P9 is my favorite light weight carry pistol . Hornady Critical Defense ammo is my carry load
As of late, I just starting carrying my new Kimber Micro-9 1911 in 9mm.
It's just barely bigger than their 1911 style .380, and slightly smaller than a Sig 938.
It's the smallest caliber handgun I've ever carried as my primary handgun for Concealed Carry. I'm caring it IWB in a Galco holster. But I also have my Glock 42 in 380 as my BUG.
But, if I have to travel to Houston, DFW, San Antonio, or Austin, I revert back to my main carry gun for many years, which is my GLOCK 32 in .357 Sig caliber with two extra 15 round mags. About the only time I carry my lightweight 1911 Commander in .45 acp anymore is at the Ranch.
It's just barely bigger than their 1911 style .380, and slightly smaller than a Sig 938.
It's the smallest caliber handgun I've ever carried as my primary handgun for Concealed Carry. I'm caring it IWB in a Galco holster. But I also have my Glock 42 in 380 as my BUG.
But, if I have to travel to Houston, DFW, San Antonio, or Austin, I revert back to my main carry gun for many years, which is my GLOCK 32 in .357 Sig caliber with two extra 15 round mags. About the only time I carry my lightweight 1911 Commander in .45 acp anymore is at the Ranch.
Make a video! good points.
Originally Posted by 41magfan
That’s a good video, but I think you can make things even simpler.
Unless you spend a lot of time in a high risk environment (cab driver, food delivery, motel or convenience store clerk, jewelry store owner, etc) what I’m about to say will likely apply to you.
99.9% of the people who are denoted as “Victims” on a Police Report are victims because they’re unarmed, not because they have the wrong gun, wrong ammo, wrong holster or they lack shooting skills.
So the question that must be answered first is; what gun will allow you to carry ALL the time? The answer isn’t usually the gun you shoot the best, has the best sights or holds the most rounds. The gun most people can actually carry all the time is almost always a compromise of sorts.
As long as the gun you choose is reliable, and you are READY (awareness) ….. WILLING (mindset) and ABLE (skill) to use it, you will very likely come out on top.
Most of the folks that claim they carry a gun usually do so only a few hours a day after work or on the weekends. They think they’re better prepared because they carry better guns a few hours a week, but they’re only fooling themselves.
If you think you can guess correctly WHEN you might need a gun - any gun - why wouldn’t you just avoid the danger altogether?
Unless you spend a lot of time in a high risk environment (cab driver, food delivery, motel or convenience store clerk, jewelry store owner, etc) what I’m about to say will likely apply to you.
99.9% of the people who are denoted as “Victims” on a Police Report are victims because they’re unarmed, not because they have the wrong gun, wrong ammo, wrong holster or they lack shooting skills.
So the question that must be answered first is; what gun will allow you to carry ALL the time? The answer isn’t usually the gun you shoot the best, has the best sights or holds the most rounds. The gun most people can actually carry all the time is almost always a compromise of sorts.
As long as the gun you choose is reliable, and you are READY (awareness) ….. WILLING (mindset) and ABLE (skill) to use it, you will very likely come out on top.
Most of the folks that claim they carry a gun usually do so only a few hours a day after work or on the weekends. They think they’re better prepared because they carry better guns a few hours a week, but they’re only fooling themselves.
If you think you can guess correctly WHEN you might need a gun - any gun - why wouldn’t you just avoid the danger altogether?
And.....WTF happened that put TRH and Travis/Dave/Deflave/Dickhead on the same side??!!
How exactly do you decide when you're going to be in a dangerous situation?
he kind of left out the threat level and from what that you are most likely to encounter. I would feel differently being in a riot environment in one of the big cities, to that being in the arizona desert.
I was up in the mountains yesterday and stopped to talk to a basque sheepherder. He stated he knew of the bear, mt lion, yotes, and other stuff in the area. He had four great pyrenees dogs with him, that handled most of his problems.
I like revolvers, particularly large bore revolvers for running around in those mountains. I feel differently in the city environment. And it was in the 50's in those mountains mid morning, probably in the high 30's early morning.
when we drove back to phx dropping out of the mountains, turned the a/c on. Lots of difference in clothing. Heavy clothes up there, then an hour or two later tshirt and shorts weather.
I was up in the mountains yesterday and stopped to talk to a basque sheepherder. He stated he knew of the bear, mt lion, yotes, and other stuff in the area. He had four great pyrenees dogs with him, that handled most of his problems.
I like revolvers, particularly large bore revolvers for running around in those mountains. I feel differently in the city environment. And it was in the 50's in those mountains mid morning, probably in the high 30's early morning.
when we drove back to phx dropping out of the mountains, turned the a/c on. Lots of difference in clothing. Heavy clothes up there, then an hour or two later tshirt and shorts weather.
Originally Posted by Bluedreaux
How exactly do you decide when you're going to be in a dangerous situation?
Magic 8 Ball.
Dave
Originally Posted by ironbender
And.....WTF happened that put TRH and Travis/Dave/Deflave/Dickhead on the same side??!!
Glocks are thicker than water.
Dave
There are so many different situational considerations. Threat levels, climate, physical dis/abilitites, etc, etc.
Just having a gun and some basic skills in using it, is a great place to be, compared to not having a gun.
I've been carrying a Glock 17 now for over 20 years. Seems a pretty good balance of everything, but a Glock 19-size would be easy to like too. But that's for me, I don't try to make 'my choice' into everybody elses choice too.
I tried a 2.25" SP101 for a while, way back in the 90's. I always felt I should carry extra ammo. After a short while I went right back to the Glock 17.
It's easy to choose the full size Glock day to day, because it's my smallest pistol. Well, I have a 4" Security Six, I don't really consider it for carry, but it would be a fine outdoors sidearm.
Just having a gun and some basic skills in using it, is a great place to be, compared to not having a gun.
I've been carrying a Glock 17 now for over 20 years. Seems a pretty good balance of everything, but a Glock 19-size would be easy to like too. But that's for me, I don't try to make 'my choice' into everybody elses choice too.
I tried a 2.25" SP101 for a while, way back in the 90's. I always felt I should carry extra ammo. After a short while I went right back to the Glock 17.
It's easy to choose the full size Glock day to day, because it's my smallest pistol. Well, I have a 4" Security Six, I don't really consider it for carry, but it would be a fine outdoors sidearm.
i was messing with a 2.75inch ruger 41mag redhawk yesterday.
firing 180grain, and 228grain keith style bullets.
forgot the box i have on my desk right now, 265 grain hollow points. I don't have those loaded to the top of the charts, but they are over 1000fps. ought to be an interesting combination. Might have only six rounds, but probably would stop just about anything.
firing 180grain, and 228grain keith style bullets.
forgot the box i have on my desk right now, 265 grain hollow points. I don't have those loaded to the top of the charts, but they are over 1000fps. ought to be an interesting combination. Might have only six rounds, but probably would stop just about anything.
I carry a Glock 43 with two extra mags for EDC. Total pacakage - 19 rounds.
For ANY circumstance where the car and my AR is not in "running distance," I carry a Glock 19 with two extra mags.
If 50 rounds (one in the pipe, a 15 round mag in the chamber, two 17 round Glock 17 mags in reserve) don't gain me breathing room (and mama is armed), then God and Darwin are teaming up on me.
For ANY circumstance where the car and my AR is not in "running distance," I carry a Glock 19 with two extra mags.
If 50 rounds (one in the pipe, a 15 round mag in the chamber, two 17 round Glock 17 mags in reserve) don't gain me breathing room (and mama is armed), then God and Darwin are teaming up on me.
Originally Posted by Bluedreaux
How exactly do you decide when you're going to be in a dangerous situation?
Exactly.
There was a hadji shooting at the local mall this weekend, in about one of the "lowest risk" places in the country.
right now I am slumming a glock 42 with a +2 for a total of 8+1 in the lowly 380. Sometimes i have an extra 6 round mag in the car but i dont carry it on me typically. Carrying is new for me, im still getting acquainted with just the sidearm itself
The video offers a balanced view from a generic, statistical standpoint. The problem arises when something happens outside the parameters of the generic, statistically probable encounter. Someone packing a 10 ounce pocket .380 with rudimentary sights to thwart a street robbery faces a different challenge if stuck in the Batman or Trainwreck movie theaters, the San Bernadino situation, the Seattle deal from a couple of days ago, or today’s situation in Houston with the deranged lawyer. Least common denominator equipment for an “ordinary” event is really going to be suboptimal when the danger and stress levels reach the extreme. Technology has improved to the point where just a slightly bigger gun than a least common denominator gun can bring a lot more versatility to the fight without unduly sacrificing convenience.
Originally Posted by Cheyenne
The video offers a balanced view from a generic, statistical standpoint. The problem arises when something happens outside the parameters of the generic, statistically probable encounter. Someone packing a 10 ounce pocket .380 with rudimentary sights to thwart a street robbery faces a different challenge if stuck in the Batman or Trainwreck movie theaters, the San Bernadino situation, the Seattle deal from a couple of days ago, or today’s situation in Houston with the deranged lawyer. Least common denominator equipment for an “ordinary” event is really going to be suboptimal when the danger and stress levels reach the extreme. Technology has improved to the point where just a slightly bigger gun than a least common denominator gun can bring a lot more versatility to the fight without unduly sacrificing convenience.
Originally Posted by SargeMO
balanced is G19, unbalanced is Sig mpx in shoulder holster. 
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by SargeMO
No I didn't but that old boy handles them pretty well, all the same.
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
The guy in the video carries full sized, double stack, nine millimeters. He also said in the video that most people can carry a bigger gun than they think. Seemed like he was trying to encourage carrying the most substantial handgun a person can figure out how to comfortably carry and conceal, and to try to carry a bigger gun if you're currently carrying a mouse gun, or even a compact/single stack 9mm or J-Frame .38.
One advantage of a full sized pistol beyond caliber or capacity is the fact that 9 out 10 people will shoot the full sized pistol better than a compact or sub-compact. So the moment you pull your gun your confidence level is already higher.
I've been carrying a full sized auto since I can remember, and it doesn't bother me at all...but that's me. It's not for everyone, and I don't feel a "self calling" to belittle everyone else into doing so.
I wonder how many of the guys who switch to the larger gun eventually drift back to something they will always carry. I used to think I'd be like Scott F and just carry a 1911 all the time. Then I started actually carrying. For those that can and do carry a full size all the time, I'm right behind you when the lead starts flying. LOL
I hope it goes without saying that the rule of thumb should be to carry the most effective handgun that you can and will carry ALL THE TIME.
All the time means 10+ hrs a day and 70 hrs a week, minimum.
By those standards, very few non-LEO folks carry anything, much less a service sized pistol.
What you carry after work and on the weekends is a pretty benign contingency and that "better" gun that's only carried a few hours a week is effectively nothing more than a rabbit's foot.
All the time means 10+ hrs a day and 70 hrs a week, minimum.
By those standards, very few non-LEO folks carry anything, much less a service sized pistol.
What you carry after work and on the weekends is a pretty benign contingency and that "better" gun that's only carried a few hours a week is effectively nothing more than a rabbit's foot.
The person who changed my mind on carrying pocket guns was Peter Kokalis...which is funny, because I always thought he was an A-hole.
Back in the '80's I was at the Great Western Gun Show (IIRC) and there was a big machinegun shoot going on and Kokalis was there being an arrogant jerk. He came by our booth (I worked for a class 3 mfr & importer) and everyone got to talking. Somehow he asked what I carried and at the time I had a PPK. He balked, and I got my feathers ruffled because I didn't like the guy to begin with. But since I was a young upstart with next to no experience, and he had actually been around the world doing dangerous stuff, I decided (for once) to shut my trap and listen to what the man had to say.
He then asked why it was so hard to just carry a real gun, after all, isn't that what you'd want to have if the SHTF? He then introduced me to the Sparks Summer Special, even pulled it off his person complete with 1911 and swapped his gun for mine for an hour to try it out; damn decent of him.
That was the day when I realized that gun leather choice makes a WORLD of difference. After that I ordered up a Summer Special and tucked my Hi Power inside. Then it was a matter of just getting used to carrying a full sized pistol and it really didn't take long at all. Now it's just second nature; doesn't bother me at all.
Still think Kokalis is a jerk a lot of the time, but he was extremely nice to me that day, and I'll always owe him that lesson.
Back in the '80's I was at the Great Western Gun Show (IIRC) and there was a big machinegun shoot going on and Kokalis was there being an arrogant jerk. He came by our booth (I worked for a class 3 mfr & importer) and everyone got to talking. Somehow he asked what I carried and at the time I had a PPK. He balked, and I got my feathers ruffled because I didn't like the guy to begin with. But since I was a young upstart with next to no experience, and he had actually been around the world doing dangerous stuff, I decided (for once) to shut my trap and listen to what the man had to say.
He then asked why it was so hard to just carry a real gun, after all, isn't that what you'd want to have if the SHTF? He then introduced me to the Sparks Summer Special, even pulled it off his person complete with 1911 and swapped his gun for mine for an hour to try it out; damn decent of him.
That was the day when I realized that gun leather choice makes a WORLD of difference. After that I ordered up a Summer Special and tucked my Hi Power inside. Then it was a matter of just getting used to carrying a full sized pistol and it really didn't take long at all. Now it's just second nature; doesn't bother me at all.
Still think Kokalis is a jerk a lot of the time, but he was extremely nice to me that day, and I'll always owe him that lesson.
Originally Posted by GunGeek
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
The guy in the video carries full sized, double stack, nine millimeters. He also said in the video that most people can carry a bigger gun than they think. Seemed like he was trying to encourage carrying the most substantial handgun a person can figure out how to comfortably carry and conceal, and to try to carry a bigger gun if you're currently carrying a mouse gun, or even a compact/single stack 9mm or J-Frame .38.
One advantage of a full sized pistol beyond caliber or capacity is the fact that 9 out 10 people will shoot the full sized pistol better than a compact or sub-compact. So the moment you pull your gun your confidence level is already higher.
I've been carrying a full sized auto since I can remember, and it doesn't bother me at all...but that's me. It's not for everyone, and I don't feel a "self calling" to belittle everyone else into doing so.
You should carry the one that you have 1) practiced with, 2) can shoot accurately, 3) can and will carry, and 4) has the highest capacity possible barring the first three conditions. Some folks arrange those 4 items in different priorities.
I've carried full-size 1911's, officers & micro 1911's, Glock 43/Shield, J-frames, etc.
I've settled on a Glock 19 in a Supertuck because I can wear it all day at work, church, out messing around, in shorts and t-shirt, what-ever. I shoot it well and it has good ammo capacity, especially with a spare mag or two.
But, most importantly, I can/do carry it all of the time in any situation I generally find myself in attire-wise or situation-wise. I don't just have it on for an hour or two, this gun is on or within reach 24hrs a day.
I also realize that even though it is practical for me, that doesn't mean it is for everyone else. Hence, my list above.
I've carried full-size 1911's, officers & micro 1911's, Glock 43/Shield, J-frames, etc.
I've settled on a Glock 19 in a Supertuck because I can wear it all day at work, church, out messing around, in shorts and t-shirt, what-ever. I shoot it well and it has good ammo capacity, especially with a spare mag or two.
But, most importantly, I can/do carry it all of the time in any situation I generally find myself in attire-wise or situation-wise. I don't just have it on for an hour or two, this gun is on or within reach 24hrs a day.
I also realize that even though it is practical for me, that doesn't mean it is for everyone else. Hence, my list above.
Originally Posted by GunGeek
The person who changed my mind on carrying pocket guns was Peter Kokalis...which is funny, because I always thought he was an A-hole.
Back in the '80's I was at the Great Western Gun Show (IIRC) and there was a big machinegun shoot going on and Kokalis was there being an arrogant jerk. He came by our booth (I worked for a class 3 mfr & importer) and everyone got to talking. Somehow he asked what I carried and at the time I had a PPK. He balked, and I got my feathers ruffled because I didn't like the guy to begin with. But since I was a young upstart with next to no experience, and he had actually been around the world doing dangerous stuff, I decided (for once) to shut my trap and listen to what the man had to say.
He then asked why it was so hard to just carry a real gun, after all, isn't that what you'd want to have if the SHTF? He then introduced me to the Sparks Summer Special, even pulled it off his person complete with 1911 and swapped his gun for mine for an hour to try it out; damn decent of him.
That was the day when I realized that gun leather choice makes a WORLD of difference. After that I ordered up a Summer Special and tucked my Hi Power inside. Then it was a matter of just getting used to carrying a full sized pistol and it really didn't take long at all. Now it's just second nature; doesn't bother me at all.
Still think Kokalis is a jerk a lot of the time, but he was extremely nice to me that day, and I'll always owe him that lesson.
Back in the '80's I was at the Great Western Gun Show (IIRC) and there was a big machinegun shoot going on and Kokalis was there being an arrogant jerk. He came by our booth (I worked for a class 3 mfr & importer) and everyone got to talking. Somehow he asked what I carried and at the time I had a PPK. He balked, and I got my feathers ruffled because I didn't like the guy to begin with. But since I was a young upstart with next to no experience, and he had actually been around the world doing dangerous stuff, I decided (for once) to shut my trap and listen to what the man had to say.
He then asked why it was so hard to just carry a real gun, after all, isn't that what you'd want to have if the SHTF? He then introduced me to the Sparks Summer Special, even pulled it off his person complete with 1911 and swapped his gun for mine for an hour to try it out; damn decent of him.
That was the day when I realized that gun leather choice makes a WORLD of difference. After that I ordered up a Summer Special and tucked my Hi Power inside. Then it was a matter of just getting used to carrying a full sized pistol and it really didn't take long at all. Now it's just second nature; doesn't bother me at all.
Still think Kokalis is a jerk a lot of the time, but he was extremely nice to me that day, and I'll always owe him that lesson.
A good holster makes a world of difference. It takes me a while to get used to and one once I do, I am reluctant to change.
There's another factor and that is making the decision to carry a substantial sidearm and making whatever adjustments are necessary to accomplish that.
Originally Posted by SargeMO
A good holster makes a world of difference. It takes me a while to get used to and one once I do, I am reluctant to change.
There's another factor and that is making the decision to carry a substantial sidearm and making whatever adjustments are necessary to accomplish that.
There's another factor and that is making the decision to carry a substantial sidearm and making whatever adjustments are necessary to accomplish that.
I'm the same way...I carried in an Askins Avenger when I carried OWB and while it was a high quality holster and comfortable, it wasn't a great concealment holster. The Summer Special was the first truly concealable holster for a full sized pistol that was also relatively comfortable. I wore that holster until I got my first Sparks VM II almost 15 years ago. Now I carry mostly in a HBE Com III which is very VM II-ish, with thinner leather and no metal band at the mouth of the holster, so rather streamlined for CC, but the basic design is much the same.
I took the Crossbreed style for a good test drive and found it carries about the same, but just has more leather against my skin, so I continue to carry the HBE & VM II. I'm always interested in a better idea, but I haven't found anything better than the HBE Com III.
Originally Posted by GunGeek
Originally Posted by SargeMO
A good holster makes a world of difference. It takes me a while to get used to and one once I do, I am reluctant to change.
There's another factor and that is making the decision to carry a substantial sidearm and making whatever adjustments are necessary to accomplish that.
There's another factor and that is making the decision to carry a substantial sidearm and making whatever adjustments are necessary to accomplish that.
I'm the same way...I carried in an Askins Avenger when I carried OWB and while it was a high quality holster and comfortable, it wasn't a great concealment holster. The Summer Special was the first truly concealable holster for a full sized pistol that was also relatively comfortable. I wore that holster until I got my first Sparks VM II almost 15 years ago. Now I carry mostly in a HBE Com III which is very VM II-ish, with thinner leather and no metal band at the mouth of the holster, so rather streamlined for CC, but the basic design is much the same.
I took the Crossbreed style for a good test drive and found it carries about the same, but just has more leather against my skin, so I continue to carry the HBE & VM II. I'm always interested in a better idea, but I haven't found anything better than the HBE Com III.