All I've ever used is gas checked Cast Performance. Do y'all have leading problems with non gas check bullets? Was looking to try some of these...


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I've never had any problems with leading with any MBC bullets and I've used them extensively. There are several thousand sitting in my reloading area right now. I don't know if I have any of those, but I run the 9mm "small ball" at 1100 fps and above and haven't had leading.

If you're concerned, call them up and speak with them about it. They are experts and you'll get somebody who knows or they will hook you up with somebody who does.

I have been using Dardas for several years now.I have use Missouri in the past,but Dardas is harder and they can give you a little leeway as to what diameter you want the bullets to be sized to.

Everything has everything to do with everything. If your throats are 452 or less, you're good.

You can shoot these too and leave your worries behind.


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I have loaded a couple thousand of MO Bullet's Cowboy # 1 and 9 in several 45 Colt revolvers with no real leading issues. I have not used the one you mention or much of anything over a Brinell of 11 or 12. With revolvers in general the diameter and consistency of the cylinder throats, bore and condition of the forcing cone and the absence of thread choke are all critical, as well as matching your bullet diameter to them all. Ruger screwed that pooch so long and hard it looks like a wooly culvert.

In a perfect world you could buy any off-the-shelf 45 revolver and ut would shoot great with any cast bullet from 452 to 454 with essentially no leading. I recently lucked into a New Vaquero like that and they can bury me with that one.

Sarge, just curious. What's your favorite .45 Colt cast bullet commercially available?

I've been using the Hi-Tek coated version of the same bullet from Missouri Bullet Co. No leading at all.

Which is what I posted.

I'd also have no need for an 18BHN bullet.

The Lee 452-255-RF from Maplewood Bullets.

http://www.thesixgunjournal.net/maplewood-bullets-lee-452-255-rf-for-the-45-colt/

Two lube grooves, does not lead, has a good sized meplat and it's plenty accurate. You can practically throw them into the charge holes as the cylinder rotates by. Scooted to 950 fps it will take anything around here. At $86 per 500 delivered, it isn't the cheapest bullet out there but I remain convinced it's perhaps the best all around bullet for the 45 Colt. I have them sized .454 simply because I've never had an inaccurate 45 Colt load from them at that diameter.

Need scare up some RCBS 270 SAA, to be loaded around 1000 fps as my 'standard pressure heavy' load. I could gas up the Lee bullet but I want the loads to be easy to tell apart.

If can be sized to the diameter you want, Ed will do it. He's also very good about giving you a particular mix/BHN.

He uses LBT soft blue which is a good lube.

I just ordered up some of these:

http://missouribullet.com/details.php?prodId=387&category=5&secondary=14&keywords=

Have been wanting to try some in the 45 Colt. I decided to go with the Brinell 12 as I'll be loading them to around 900 fps and putting them through a S&W 25-5.

Hopefully I don't wind up wishing I had gotten the harder ones.

You should be fine but what do I know. On the ones I ordered we'll see if they can handle 1300 fps.

That is a great lube but stickier than what today's commercial bullet buyers are used to. I invariably end up getting lube on the cases. I simply throw the loaded rounds in the tumbler for 4-6 hours which not only cleans the cases but the bullet noses too, turning them dark gray and making the loaded rounds clean to handle. Here's the Lee 452-255-RF I mentioned over 8.5 grains of Universal for 910 fps from my 4 5/8 Vaquero.

In the list of things I would NOT do as a handloader, tumbling loaded ammo is right there at the top.

Breaking down powder can do some weird stuff.

I ordered my Missouri Cowboy #9 bullets (Brinnel 12) last Friday and had them by Monday. Got some loaded up over 8.0 gr of Unique (around 900 fps) and shot them last night. The load was plenty accurate through my 25-5 and there was no leading at all.

I got the ones that are coated and like them a lot so far. Also didn't have all of the smoke that the standard lube had.

Toldja so

That is a thing of beauty. It don't get any finer than that.

Thank you, I love that pistol. Going to try and knock over a pig with it soon...

First of all, do you have 1st hand experience showing that a little leading in your firearm is "bad"? I ask this because forum-chatter oftens assumes "leading" is bad, and then guys spend $ trying to "correct" it.

Secondly, I've used MBC's 18 Brinnel product in 44 mag and found it very good. I like doing business with them.

I've never spent time and money striving for MORE leading.

I have her big sister.



Also just placed an order with MBC.

Nice!

Which bullets did you go with and what Brinnel?

Well I ordered bullets last Friday and they arrived this past Monday morning sharp, can't beat that. 16 grains Accurate NO.7 chronoed at 1075, very pleasant shooting and accurate too. No signs of leading I guess, everything looks good. Will be ordering more of these soon, very pleased. Ranges 15, 25 and 30 yards off hand.

Ryan, I ordered 800 each of Cowboy #9 Hi-Tek 255 gr SWC 12BHN, Elmer K Hi-Tek 255 gr SWC 18BHN.

The 4 boxes I ordered, 2 of each type bullet, is the max weight you can order (64 lbs) and keep shipping at $14.00. These 4 boxes = 58 lbs.

Look around for a discount code. If you are a member of another certain hunting, shooting, Bushcraft, survival website there is a 5% discount available. Hint. Hint.

Good load and fine shooting.

nice shooting RONC, looks like that will work.

thanks for the tip Local Dirt.

I also ordered some 147 gr TC for both of my boy's 9mm pistols. The shoot USPSA production (Juniors) with me. I use Montana Golds through my G34, but I've been using 147 leads through their pistols (Xdm and M&P).

Problem was, on a calm morning, the smoke from the lube would hang so long that they were losing sight of their targets and it was really slowing them down.
I was going to switch them to MG's as well, but thought I'd give these a try with the Hi-Tek coating and see if it helps. Even with the up-charge for the coating, they're still cheaper than the MG's. And when you go through 450 rds in a match (between the 3 of us), every little bit helps.

They think these look cool:



I also had some 148 gr DEWC for my 38's. Those have a BHN of 10 and I was getting lots of leading even at minimum book loads. I called Missouri Bullets and asked him about it and he had me load them down (quite a bit below book minimum). I was unsure about it, but they shoot well and no more leading. They are "powder puff" rounds, but good for plinking now. I just won't order anymore that soft.

That 'soft' ain't an issue if they fit correctly.

I believe the cylinder throats on two of the pistols need to be reamed. I can't even push a .357 bullet through them, much less a .358

But, according to the technical section on the MBC website on how to calculate what BHN you need, even the book starting load was way over the 10 BHN that these bullets were. So, since I was getting leading even in the cylinder that I could just push a .357 bullet through, I figured it was a hardness issue.

Will still get those throats reamed. Seems no one does it anymore so I'll be ordering the kit from Brownells. Need to do a couple of 45 Colts as well. That's going to be expensive though. Too bad no one offers a rental program for those things.

11BHN bullets got the 44 magnum kick started. 10BHN is plenty 'hard' for a 38 special.

The least leading I've ever gotten from a plain base lead handgun bullet has been with the 11 BHN 45 Colt bullets I mentioned on page 1 of this thread.

The most consistent 'leader' for me has been MBC's 170 grain 40/10mm 170 grain cast SWC- at 18 BHN. This is consistent across a half-dozen barrels with loads ranging 800-850 fps. I'm using 4.0 grains of W231/HP38 and the loads are smoky, too. But it's easily the most accurate lead 40 bullet I've ever loaded and the bullet is a good critter killer, so I've kept using it.

Believe I'll give the coated version a try next time.

Can't say enough about MBC customer service. Called JoAnn Thursday around noon with a couple quick questions. She answered those and a couple more I came up with once we got to talking, and a joy to speak with to boot.

Came home later that afternoon and placed my order online.

Got home this afternoon (Sat) and 58 lbs of .45 Colt goodness was sitting in my chair on the front porch.





Probably won't be needing any .45 Colt for a while, but they've got my business.