I'm starting to warm up to the 45 super. I'd debated a 10mm, but after recent discussions and considering I'm already set up for loading and casting 45 it just seems to make more sense.

I'm considering a Glock 21, but what other good or better options are out there? My preference is for a double stack striker fired pistol.

Another alternative.

HK USP Full Size -- Not "striker fired" but it is a double stack (12+1) with double/single action and cocked/locked capability (safety can be used or not with hammer down (double action) or hammer cocked.

After thorough research, it appears that the USP 45 is capable of continuous use of 45 Super level loads. My son had been carrying the Glock 20. Neither of us felt/feel comfortable carrying the Glock with one in the chamber, so were looking for an alternative. The USPs “long” double action first shot and thumb safety (if desired) with the .45 Super load fit the bill. Tried the Buffalo Bore 230s and 255s along with several hand loads, finally settling on a hand load using new Starline .45 Super brass and Nosler 230gr JFPs at 1,100 fps. With 12 +1 capacity, it is reliable, portable, reasonably powerful and quite controllable. If anyone is interested, here’ a link covering the subject pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?16503-HK-USP-45-field-pistol.

Still a work in progress and will be testing 250gr LFNGCs (sized .451) from MT Bullet Works as time allows. https://www.montanabulletworks.com/product/45-colt-lbt-250gr-lfn_gc/

FWIW,

Paul

1911 set up correctly is hard to beat. I even shoot some in a lightweight full size. A 250 at a thousand feet per second is pretty handy on the mountain

Sorry, but that's ridiculous.

Feelings are exactly that and are not ridiculous to those that feel that way.

The HK USP is a very strong pistol that is not fazed by 45 Supers.

That's the problem with making decisions based on feelings instead of logic. That's what the liberal SJW types do; I'd hope most here are above that.

Sidearms are as personal a choice as anything. He ain't saying he doesn't feel comfortable carrying, only that he ain't comfortable carrying a Glock. So, he'll carry something else.

A man should be able to carry the type of weapon he is comfortable with, I fail to see how that falls into liberal logic.

Good grief people. I commented about the "not carrying one in the chamber". You guys are all over that in other threads, but in this one it makes sense? SMH I didn't say it's ridiculous to not carry a Glock; I don't care what brand he carries.

It is ridiculous to "feel" that a Glock shouldn't be carried with a round in the chamber; that's an emotion based in ignorance, not rational facts.

He only said that he didn't feel comfortable carrying a Glock with a round in the chamber. That's why he was looking for a different platform. I don't see the problem.

Take a look at this web site first.

Further along the learning curve than the "Super".


https://www.460rowland.com/

There are several reasons for not carrying a Glock of any kind with a round in the chamber. Nothing "ridiculous" about it - I wouldn't do it, either.

Mike

It's more of a training issue if your not comfortable carrying a round in the chamber of a Glock or any firearm for that matter.

I carry 'hot' Glock, in a Serpa when I'm carrying open (out of town).



I'm really living on the edge.......grin

Back on topic, is shooting 45 Super as simple as a barrel and recoil spring swap on the HK USP 45 and Glock 21?

Also from "Mikewriter"

"PERSONALLY, the Glock imaginary safety system scares me. I don't want a gun making decisions for me that should be under my control. If I had kept my Glock, it would have been sent in for a similar operation. Glock DID make a pistol with a manual safety at one time, I think. To me, those who worry about taking a manual safety OFF before needing to shoot are the ones afraid of their guns."


I hate those Glocks that think for themselves, instead of being inanimate objects. Not to mention the "Imaginary safeties"..

No need for a barrel swap, I've shot 45 Super in my USP with the stock spring without issue. I installed a heavier Wolfe recoil spring and the USP would barely cycle with 45 ACP +P's and I doubt that it would cycle standard 45 ACP with the heavier spring. I'm not sure that the USP needs the heavier recoil spring. The HK USP is very accurate in my experience.

Now you got me thinking about a 45 Super in an HK double stack, THANKS!

You are more than welcome!

A 1911 needs a recoil spring & firing pin spring which Wolff sells as a kit, #42128. Those springs are actually for the 10mm Delta Elite. They cost less than $20 & I was up and running. When necessary I can shoot ACP and the gun will cycle.

I am currently using 200 gr lead WFN from Oregon Trail. They are running 1285 fps.

"My preference is for a double stack striker fired pistol."


458Lott,

I had a G21 and Now have a G30 that I shoot 45 Super in. With the Glocks an aftermarket barrel that has more chamber support than the factory barrel is a very good idea... other than that all you need is a 22# or 24# recoil spring (whichever works best in your gun ===> reliable and does not fling your brass into the next county) and 45 Super brass.

But...

I prefer the 1911 for 45 Super because You have what I consider better ways to increase the time that it remains locked vs. just using a heavier recoil spring;

1.) Jack Huntington can adjust the timing for Your 45 super loads to leave it locked a little longer.

and/or,

2.) You can use a combination of the recoil spring, main spring and a flat bottomed firing pin stop ===> To keep it locked longer for your loads.

I had Jack adjust the timing (I had an 18.5# recoil spring in it), and later decided to increase the weight of the main spring. I tried a flat bottomed firing pin stop just to play with, but lost reliable function so went back to the original FPS. (note; You can bevel the bottom of the flat bottomed FPS to tune it to Your load/gun).

Jerry


edited to add; My "Supered" G21, G30 and 1911 all ran standard ball fine, albeit to a diff. POI.

I'm gonna research the HK-45's and see how they shake out.

I don't recall which, but it was either FN or HK stated that their 45 was rated for 45 Super.

Jerry

Damn HK's only a 10 round double stack, next!

Mine is a 12 round double stack, they also make 10 round magazines for states that require them.

I have an LE buddy selling a Full size USP 45, [bleep] load of mags and a few holsters if your interested I can inquire a price.

Thanks for that JWP.

MallardAddict, I don't quite know yet, was talking to my Smith yesterday afternoon about me buying an STI 2011 lower and having him build me a hi-cap Super or 10MM, am going there today to pick up some completed work and drop off more.

Gunner500, high cap 2011 in super doesn't suck

HO LEE SHEET! talk about lighting a sombuck up!

Very nice rig there. Very nice.

But,iff'n you want more power and don't mind the compensator, go all the way. =>


.460 Rowland

Just say'n.