Bigger hammer....

https://shop.whittakerguns.com/product/ss-1802091048128

I've got one of those and I really like it.

Been thinking about one. I really like the 10mm, have an EAA Witness now. Also really like the SRH, have one in .480 Ruger. I may just get another semi-auto 10mm - probably a 1911.

Mike Holmes

If I’m going 10mm it will be semi auto.

With the SRH being built as a 44 mag, 454 and 480, wouldn't the 10mm be the smaller hammer?

Very much so. I don’t see the appeal of the 10mm in a revolver when the 41 mag is available.

Perspective.... Bigger frame = bigger hammer? I understand where ya'll are coming from though.

I was skeptical initially as to the concept, but when I started shooting it I realized it has it's place. It's a fairly potent cartridge (loaded properly) in a package that is really easy to shoot. I know, there are other options available like the .41 or .44 Mag versions, but variety is the spice of life.

The .40 Magnum......


Pass.

Now, if the decline in use of .40 S&W leads to a surplus of .40 S&W fodder, at super low prices, I could see the benefit of ownership for range fun.
But 10MM hunting fodder is right there with .44 Magnum in price. I'd stick with .44M.

Doesn't appeal to me but it might appeal to folks that want to scope a revolver and deer hunt with it but don't want to deal with .44Mag and up recoil.

Exactly.

Yep. Or just a fun way to shoot 40 S&W and 10mm ammo. I enjoy doing that with a 610 that is probably the most accurate revolver I shoot.

Can do that with 41 mag.

The .41Mag is closer to the .44Mag in recoil and velocity. Don't we kinda argue with folks who say the 10mm and .41Mag are equals?

I'm hoping this renewed interest in the 10mm will result in better bullets.

I am waiting for Ruger to bring out a 10 on the GP100 frame... they have at least one guaranteed sale....

yep. My Glock G40 is packed with 16 rounds of goodness.

I'll stick to my six shooter.

Glock 40 MOS with RM-06 Trijicon. Trying to get used to the dot and Glock trigger.

Got 500 180 gr. FMJ FN from RMR for $60 to practice with. That's cheaper than cast.

I like 180 XTP for serious work, they're slightly more accurate than the FMJ's.

I just checked at www.rmrbullets.com seems they've sold out.

I'm loading 9.2 Longshot at around 1,200, maybe a tad less. Haven't clocked it yet.

Dillon 550B cranks'em out.

DF

No offense but I'd like to see a Glock do 2" or better at 50yds. Or have a trigger that doesn't suck.

This one will do around 2” at 50 yds off the bench with 180 XTP and 9.2 Longshot.

It had a trigger job by a Glock armorer but still sucks.

DF

I'd buy one as well. I'd buy two if they made one with a 4 inch barrel and one with a round butt and 3 inch barrel.

The 10mm is limited by magazine length; its pretty hard to improve on bullets when the boiler room is crammed. What are the bullets lacking?

Of course a wheelgun ditches the mag confines.

My present 200 WFN .401 would get a lot better if it wasn't tortured into a Delta/Double Eagle magazines. Even in the longslide Para, the 10mm isnt even in the same league as the .41 Mag.
In a wheelgun, it would fare better with less intrusion into the case.

No it isn't. We just need tougher versions of what we already have. Most jacketed bullets are designed for self defense in the .40S&W or 10mm and open up too quickly. A 200gr Gold Dot that's tougher than the current 180gr would be a good start.

Me Three!!!

PREZACTLY!

Have you used the 180 gr XTP on critters?

Not yet, Ed.

Just got it, working on learning how to shoot a Glock trigger.

I'm spoiled by good 1911 triggers, like my .45 ACP Les Baer Long Slide.

Baer makes a Long Slide 10mm, but it's $2,500.

Positive for the Glock is the MOS provision for reflex optics and the double stack mag.

These 180 XTP's should do a job on a hog or a WT, running a round 1,200 fps.

DF

I will be bringing my M610 loaded with 180 gr XTP's to the annual 'fire hog hunt next week. Just curious.

My bitch is with cast bullets. Wide, fat ones that occupy less of the case capacity. It does okay, but lacks in the confines of its original design.

But I'd point out your first gripe with a 200 Gold Dot is going to be real estate....or where the velocity went to. The XTP can be made into a tough bullet, but when it is it has the expansion window of a brick and the frontal area of a toothpick....

Good,

Look forward to your report.

DF

The 10's biggest limitation is with cast bullets and cartridge overall length. Even the heaviest 230gr pills are only comparable to standard weight bullets in the .44Mag and .45Colt. The SRH might be much more useful if rechambered to 10mmMag where we can get more, better powder in the case and seat those bullets out long but it would still be compatible with .40S&W and 10mm with moon clips. Be nice to see some 250gr bullets with a crimp groove. But at that point, we'd probably be better off all the way around with the .41Mag.

If I was staying with a wheel gun, I'd go .41 mag over 10 mm.

I like both rounds; the .41 is meant for a revolver, the 10 mm, for an auto loader.

DF

I would think the 180 xtp would be alright on hogs.......they will shoot right on thru a whitetail on side to side ribcage shots.......

180 XTP’s in my Glock 20 works great on hogs, but I prefer the 200 gr XTP with a max load of AA-9 powder or Buffalo Bore Factory Ammo with the 220 gr hard cast bullet.

Interested in your answer and would like more details on why you prefer the 200 gr. XTP over the 180 gr. XTP.

I have a can of AA-9, right now am using 9.2 gr. Longshot with 180 gr. XTP's and 180 gr. FMJ's.

I read somewhere than Buffalo Bore uses Rim Rock hard cast bullets.

https://rimrockbullets.com/xcart/-40-10mm-200-gr-tc-the-outdoorsman-per-500.html

Glock doesn't recommend cast bullets for their polygonal rifling, but seems these hard cast do well.

DF

Just personal preference. I will always pick the heavier bullet given a choice. And my 10mm’s shoot the 200 gr XTP more accurately. Nothing wrong with the 180 gr version.

And I’ve been shooting hard cast bullets in my Glocks forever without a hitch.

I may have to try some 200 Rim Rock hard cast. The 220 sure looks long and will push way down in the case. I'd be worried about compressing the powder too much with that one, which can sometimes cause pressure issues in a pistol round. I guess it would depend on which powder one was using.

Buffalo Bore and Double Tap, hard to duplicate their data. They know how to safely get that last few fps out of a round.

DF

For you die hard Hard Cast guys.....my sample set is small.....killed one black bear with hard cast. In a 480 Ruger Think they were 385 HC. Fully realize they need to go in the correct location to get results. But that bear took A LOT of killing. I am not at all a fan of HC. Shot piles of jackrabbits with HC in .429 and .452". They were nearly all run offs. While not PERSONALLY having conducted penetration tests.....YT is FULL of XTP Gel tests. They (both 200 and 180) are pretty formidable in 10mm. So much so, I would not even consider HC in my 10mm.

Am I way off? All long time internet John Taffin Kool-Aid? I've killed a pretty good pile of black bears. Even in a personal defense scenario.....I don't see more than 12" of penetration being necessary. And I think either XTP does that more than adequately with the bonus of much greater expansion and wound channel.

Hard cast to be effective require wide meplats in my experience. I’ve never had a rabbit run off from one.

If you don't place your shot, it doesn't matter what you're shooting.

No handgun is going to be as dramatic of a killer as a high velocity rifle using an expanding bullet, it's the nature of the beast. The 480 with cast should have punched a 1 1/2" permanent hole clear through the bear.

I've seen way too many significant failures with XTPs to even consider that route. All "hardcast" bullets aren't created equally. How big were the meplats on the bullets you used?

Someone mention meplat...

Not 10mm, but .45 Colt.

I shoot these Thunderhead 270's in my .45 Colt. Now, they do hit with a whallop.

www.pennbullets.com/45/45270tndrhd-review.htm

DF

The 10mm on the right crams most of its 200grs. into the powder capacity, despite the best effort of a wide, weight forward design. It BARELY fits in the confines of its magazines and would fare better if it butted up with the rifling upon chambering.
Done in a SRH with a bullet similar to the 300gr./45ACP revolver load, no doubt it could be improved ballistically as well as shoot better in the wheelgun. Maybe add another 50 grains.

I'd much rather depend on a dual alloy cast bullet than anything a factory is going to cook up built around velocity and range limitations, IF I were to find plain old hardcasts lacking....

Yep.

2 for me

i have been shooting 10mm in a ruger blackhawk convertible 10mm/38wcf for quite a while.
With that long tube on the blackhawk it gets velocities right smart up there.
i would have to check my notes but i am semi remember clocking either 1800 xtp's or 200 grainers in the 1400fps range.
pleasant to shoot too.

I'll reply with meplat specs if I can ASAP. Bunny run offs were mostly .452" in several 45LC Rugers. Often the Keith style 300-315grn. Those were supposed to be the Cat's Meow 20 years ago

Back to the topic of the 10mm and HC. For the auto loaders.....isn't there going to be an issue with crimp and grooves and function?

At one time I believe StarLine made brass for a 10mm magnum, I think I even got A reloading manual around here with data for it. Now that would be a versitile revolver. 10mm magnum, 10mm and 40.

That is similar to what I have been seeing. I was looking for the most accurate load from the 10mm revolver with a 200 grain bullet and it settled in with a SD of about 9 fps and grouping just over 2" at 50 yards. The velocity was 1421 fps.No signs of any pressure and very easy case ejection.

I think the SRH is overkill for the 10mm auto. That's a big chunk of metal to tote around for the least ballistic potential in the line. I have a SB Hunter in 44mag and that is about right. It will group 2.5" at 100 yards with a scope, but it is a big heavy beast to pack in the field. But, variety is what makes the world go round and as usual Ruger is offering something that nobody else is or will.

I did just pick up a Tanfolglio Witness Hunter and I'm looking forward to working up some loads with 180 - 200 gr cast and the XTPs. It will be easier to carry in the field than the SBH and still pack enough wallop for in close whitetails and varmints. I also like the single stage trigger which needs a bit of a tune but it's light years ahead of any Glock I've tried.

I would love to see a GP-100 in some sort of "Hunter" configuration. Maybe in .357 and 10mm.