Picked up a box of these yesterday at the Sportsmans Warehouse in Ankeny, IA and it's the first I've seen or heard of them. I was pleased when CCI came out with the standard lead RN Quiet-22 in 22LR as I am a huge fan of the .22 CB Long but they don't function nearly as well when manually cycling an auto. The .22LR's do great though!

These segmented HP's look to have a much-deeper hollow point than what my memory serves of the other high velocity segmented HP's presumably for the low velocity loading. Does anyone here have experience with these? They must be damn-fragile to be able to "separate into three equal parts, tripling its effect and maximizing energy transfer." (I just love that: "maximizing energy transfer;" of what- 10 ft lbs?!?)

-John

ETA: I'm calling bul1$hit on these: just did some impromptu phone-book-ballistic testing and not only did they not segmenet, they barely even deformed... Perhaps shooting a raccoon would have a different effect. I'd not buy these again!

call CCI and talk to their custmer service rep and ask them if they should have worked. maybe there is a bad batch out and they will replace them? would like to hear what they say to you as well as far as expected results for that ammo.

With no suppressor and only a 24" barrel the powder charge must be ~ 0.5 gr or less powder behind that 27 gr bullet, in order to sound like a BB gun. [770 fps CCI CB SHORT]

But the CCI 22 hollow point has ~ 1.0 gr of powder behind the 27 gr bullet. [1070 fps CCI HOLLOW POINT SHORT]. It makes a loud BANG that can be hear 100 times further away than the subsonic escapement gas from anything that is called "CB".

I may have not explained this well if you are not already familiar. I have skipped a lot of steps.

Trueatfirstlight,

Was your phone book dry or wet? If dry try them on some water soaked medium such as a wet phone book. Post your results, i was looking for these but gave up when I could not find any .22 LR!

Jerry

Clarkm:

You may be confusing these cartridges for "sub-sonic" .22 ammo. These are actually the same velocity as the CB Longs at 710 FPS and are quieter than most pellet guns. Here's a link to the ammo on the CCI website:

http://www.cci-ammunition.com/products/detail.aspx?use=2&loadNo=0970

-John

Jerry: shooting into a dry phone book. I'll soak one and see if the results are the same. Stay tuned...

-John

I think you are right.
Do you know where I can buy some?

While you're testing, shoot some water filled milk jugs. Sometimes paper pulp will plug a hollow point.

"Stay tuned..."

I am,

Jerry

i have some of those Quiet 22 and they are just like shooting shorts. i have an old savage with a 26" barrel on it and it is very quiet, i cant recall if they were the segmentated hollow points though, i;ll have to check tonight when i get home but i think mine are just solids. i have not shot any critters yet with them, just some spinning targets.

I bought some of the Quiet 22's from CCI and hunted with them this past fall. I wanted something quieter than the Rem subsonics I normally use. I took a buck with my bow early in the season which gave me more time to shoot squirrels. One occasion I started early shooting subsonic from Remington than switched to the CCI later in the evening so as to not disturb the guys bowhunting. A couple guys said they could not tell much difference between the two in the report through our woods.
Hardly scientific but that was my experience. Not very good killing power either.

Thinking that the thought of segmented bullets is kind of a non-starter at the velocity spoken of here. Just my .02 worth.

On another point however I think that CB velocity bullets have a lot of killing power if they are properly placed. My experience is limited to shorts.







SV LR even works:

"Quiet" they aren't out of a pistol, and the difference (noisewise) between shooting them in a 24 inch barrel vs a 16 inch barrel is significant!

Jerry

DigitalDan - I don't know maybe our squirrels up here are bigger boned than your pigs.
Impressive none the less

DigitalDan's words have a lot of power.

Here are few of my CCI CB short kills:







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DigitalDan's words have a lot of power.

Here are few of my CCI CB short kills:

Yeah- those little CB's are lethal! I have shot more varmints with my Marlin 39A and the CB long than with any other rimfire! If you put them in the right place, it's lights out.

Regarding noise, my 16 inch barreled Marlin sounds about like an electric staple gun shooting the CB Longs. It is much quieter than my Sheridan Blue Streak .20 cal air rifle. Now shooting these or the "Quiet .22LR's" out of a pistol will ring your ears but still quiet in terms of a un-suppressed .22 pistol.

-John

just a vertical adjustment needed? or is it a whole new sight in for the slower rounds?

The regular Quiet .22s are a lot cheaper than the segmented ones. At least they're supposed to be. Something like $3.50 vs. $8.95. We used a lot of the regular Quiet .22s in the basement this winter, shooting them with rifles into a box of newspapers or magazines. They're fun to shoot because they are so quiet. You almost don't need hearing protection. They were pretty accurate for me, although they do hit low. I've thought about getting a cheap used rifle with open sights and sighting it in with the shells, just to keep by the back door for pests.

geez. i'd not be shooting lead bullets in my basement without a serious vent system. the vaporized lead in your lungs...not my idea of a good time.

Basement bullet traps used to be pretty common. In limited quantities, I wouldn't be concerned.

I have been doing internet gun forums since before the www had a gun forum. In the old days, lots of Lead talk with gun nut doctors speaking up about how many ppm Lead in your blood meant what.

If you had a tiny amount of Lead in your blood [20 years ago before they vented shooting ranges with fans] that meant you worked at an indoor shooting range.

If you have a huge amount of Lead in your blood, it meant that you had been around the sanding of Lead paint.

With a 24 inch or longer barrel you wouldn't need hearing protection. I too have been toying with the idea of a dedicated gun for them, Even though I've got a couple of rimfire suppressors!

Haven't been able to find any of the segmented 'Quiets" but am quite interested in how they perform, was kind of disappointed that they go for quite a premium over the non-segmented... but then all of CCI's segmented rim fires do; 'Quick Shok' and 'Segmented Subsonics' (I think they are called).

Jerry

just returned from the yard. sighted in my ruger 96/22 with the cci quiet 22 longs.

shot very accurate. the remington 511 did not like them at all.

oh well. the ruger wins the spot by the door.

Clark, I'm liking that 572. Sort of a caretaker of one after my brother passed and handed it off to his son a few years back. It shot the CBs very well and had quite a bloody history by then. As I recall it held about a half box of ammo, which was very convenient.

"just returned from the yard. sighted in my ruger 96/22 with the cci quiet 22 longs.
shot very accurate. the remington 511 did not like them at all."

Typical of 22 rimfire... I took out three revolvers; single-six, K22 & a 4" S&W Kit Gun (model 63)... only the Kit Gun shot them well, the others did not.

Jerry

Digital Dan,
The 572 has been my go to gun for the back yard for a year.

But this month it started misfiring CCI CB shorts while shooting straight up at crows in the tops of tall trees. So I scoped up a 1955 Winchester 61 and sighted it in with CCI CB shorts. Right on for 25 yards, and QL is guessing 3" low at 40 yards and 6" low at 50 yards.

I have another 572 here as well, and I need to take the barrels off both of them and clean them out.

I have bought 19 22s in the last year. Beware of the man with one gun, but not me. I just keep buying projects.

I'm looking for some quiet segmented .22's. I'm sure they're out there somewheres. i like the aguilar super colibri, but i can't find any.

the model 572 Remington pump gun i got in 1962 has served well. i used Remington gold (copper) plated hollow-points in high school to deal with the gray squirrels. it's had two broken firing pins, but all is good now.

there's so mnay product offerings in .22, and i can find so few.

I just pulled apart a CCI 22 short HP and it has 0.95 gr powder. That means it needs a double length barrel to make it quiet.



I have tested that 0.95 gr powder ammo with this rifle and it is quiet.


But to get a normal length 22 rifle, with 24 inch barrel to be quiet, we need the ~ 0.5 gr powder charge of things like CCI CB Shorts.

Of course we will get more power with the short version with it's larger expansion ratio [compared to the long version], but less accuracy with a longer jump to the lands.

I had a 572 about 15 years ago that i bought new. I loved the little guns looks and the idea of its shoot anything versatility but it was the most inaccurate gun I ever owned. I think I got a lemon. Wish I still had it, I would send it to a smith. It was probably something simple.

Shot CCI 'Quiet's' (not the segmented ones) from my CZ Trainer (24 inch barrel) at the 50 yard range yesterday. Hit 7 or so inches low (from CCI standard velocity sight in). Groups were approx. one inch! now this may not sound great particularly out of rifle that will shoot about 1/2 inch and less (depending on the ammo of course), but for the low velocity stuff it is spectacular at that range... I have shot aguila and CCI Target shorts (from long rifle chambered guns), Win CB Match (Not!), CB longs and Rem. CBee's (nice HP), And none of them would do anywhere near this good at 35 yards. So I sighted my CZ in for them.

Jerry

I have a box of old CCI CB shorts that get terrible groups and 10 boxes of new CCI CB shorts that can shoot 1" groups at 75 feet.

50 yards, bag rest with a Weaver K2.5, the Contender will shoot 5 shot 1/2" groups with CB shorts or HVHP ammo from CCI. Shoots patterns with Remington or Winchester shorts of any variety. The 572 I had was quite fond of Win CB shorts but not the CCI ammo.

Chamber cuts make a difference.