I was thinking recently about what makes a successful cartridge and how many Remington and Winchester had to their company. My definition of success would mean there are still new rifles available for purchase for this chambering and you can still buy factory ammo for it from more than one company.

Here is my list:

Remington
223 Remington
22-250 Remington
357 Remington Magnum
44 Remington Magnum
7mm Remington Magnum

Winchester
22 WMR
22 Hornet
243 Winchester
270 Winchester
30-30 Winchester
308 Winchester
300 Winchester Magnum
350 Legend


What others have I forgotten or would you add to the list?

257 Remington Roberts
222
221
17 rem

7mm-08 Rem
25-06 Rem

.280 Rem
.260 Rem

280 rem

As above

.338 Win Mag. Lots of 35 Rem rifles out there as well

270 and 300 wsm

30-06 for both lol.

Nah, 243 win. 270 win, and 7mm rem mag. 25-06 rem needs to be in there.

What's the status of .416 Remington?

Not as popular as the 458 win

😉

I really wish the .358win would show up on that list but....

Rem

35 Whelen
300 RUM


Win

264 Win Mag
6.8 Western
458 Win Mag

I love all of those cartridges too, but you can't find a new gun in one now.

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Lotta folks lobbying for favorites.
Their choices aren't close to meeting the specs.

What no 256 Newton ?

284 Win. holds more powder than a 308 and sends the same size bullet out the muzzle faster.

405 Winchester.

325WSM

While I totally agree that it's a very effective chambering, if the criteria is "successful", I don't think it qualifies. Try to find a rifle in that round, then try to find ammo for it.

If you picked the most successful chambering in both, I suspect that Winchesters would be either the 270 or the 308, and I'd probably give the nod to the 270 because the 308 was first developed by the miliary. Remingtons would boil down the 223 or the 7 Mag, and again the 223 is for all practical proposes the military 5.56. So that gives Winchester the 270 and Remington the 7 Mag.

I would pick the 88mm Remchester Express. It can take down a B-17 and also is good for grouse and black-tailed deer.

Fixed it.

https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/the-357-magnum-history-performance/

It’s a shame that the .35 has fallen on such hard times. It deserves a spot on the list or an exception for the straight-wall states where it’s been excluded though ballistically just about perfect.

357 is not Remington. It is S&W

A lot of new rifles not available in some cartridges introduced in just the last 25sh years.

Funny how fast some cartridges came and went.

7mm STW was one that folks around here were hot on for quite a while.

WSM chambering were the same. The 7mm WSM was the best of the original 3 but faded first.

Remington branded cartridges don't seem to do as good as Winchester.

Ruger cartridges came along too late to be serious contenders.

If Hornady has made factory ammo when a cartridge was introduced they have done pretty good except for a few odd balls.

Some old ones just hang on.

Oops!

Looks like Winchester has the better legacy for sure.

I agree with everything you said. I will add that
I think Hornady’s PRC’s will end the WSM’s.

I would like to see the 17 WSM or 17 Hornet get a good hold.

Very good rounds around farms and building due to minimal ricochets.

I am with you. I have had a 17 Hornet and truly love the cartridge. What makes me scratch my head is why the 17 HMR is the most popular of the 17 offerings?

It came out at the right time. I have one in the truck at all times.

Good from tiny critters to coyotes for me.

My Mach 2 was a dandy also. Wish I had that one back.

I'd add 44 WCF to the Winchester list. It's been around 151 years, there's still multiple guns being chambered in it, and factory ammo available. If that's not a successful cartridge, I don't know what is.

The 284 never had much success judging by models offered or sold.
Or ammo selection.



Factories have taken the Walmart approach,
only making the guns that will move quick. That started 20years ago.

Gone are the days of the 700 BDL coming in 222, 223,...243, 6mm,.....
with a list of 20 calibers.
Varmint guns in 30-06.

Now it's like Walmart.
IDGAS what you want, if you are buying a rifle, these are your choices.

At the same time, we have more varieties of brands and specs than ever.
Especially if you want a black or ammo short action.
223, 6.5 miracle, or 308.

Just looked at a new BDL in 243 a month ago.

A 30-06 varmint rifle was a very rare thing. I did have a Savage 110 FP Tactical in 30-06 though.

A great cartridge that Remington dropped when they introduced the 260 was the 6mm.

I just wish modern shooters would realize how great the 222 Rem is and not just the 223s little brother. I have three and it is one of my all time favorite predator hunting cartridges.

No mention of 307 win

Who is building factory rifles or loading ammunition for it right now? Not sure it was even successful while 94s were being produced and Winchester was loading ammo.

A pretty big flop. About like a 7-30 Waters. Same could be said for 308 ME or 338 ME.

Same for 356 Win.

Ya I know a dude with a 308 me it was bad ass to him at the time he’d been better off with a 30-30 or 308

Exactly^^^ About as good of an answer to this thread as any...

307 was that big a flop not even Marlin got in on the act

Yup

The Peanut Gallery has spoken! Hush! No greater wisdom has been spoken unsolicited.

7 SAUM
All the RUM’s
The 7mm REM BR. Which spawned the other BR’s
No one mentioned .25-06?!
.35 Rem

All the WSM’s
.358 win

Browning was making 22/250 rifles 2 years before Remington stuck their name on it.

Lots of Remington haters here lol. 280 Rem very underappreciated round. Also the 35 Rem in a Marlin 336 was very nice too. 416 Remington Magnum had no flies on it either.

I vote .267 Remington Rimfire!

I might be argued that the 223 Rem is basically a cartridge that the military developed. But remember that the 5.56 x45 is just a tweaked 222 Remington mag that Rem developed for the military prototype AR15.


Would the 32-20, 38 & 44-40 Win still be chambered & sold if not for Cowboy Action shooting & Italian clones?

Lots of cooks stirred that stew, among them Phil Sharpe, but that article gives the credit for the cartridge design to Winchester.

While I sure can't argue with lots of the choices, I sure wish that the 7mm-08 would get at least an honorable mention for a chambering that should stay around for a while. I know that it is popular here on the Fire, but I've never seen such a blatant disregard for stocking it on the loaded factory ammunition shelves. I was at our local Cabelas yesterday and they have four well stocked shelves with .308 ammunition and lots of other loaded cartridge choices. Know what they have for 7mm-08? Four boxes of Hornady 139 grain Whitetail. That's it!!!

The 7mm 08 is a great cartridge for sure. I am afraid the 6.5 Creedmoor may have sealed its fate.

Pappy,
I think I got confused with the 357 Remington Maximum. Thank you for setting the record straight.