Savage now lists their Weather Warrior in 250 Savage. The primary use would be crappy weather deer hunting but it may see bear season too.

What do you think of it for black bears in Pa.? Keep in mind, our bears can be very large. The biggest from this year was over 700 lbs and they killed 2 in the county I hunt that went over 600. Not every bear is that big but they do exist.

I handload and would probably load 115 or 120 gr Partitions, maybe 100 gr TSX's. The website claims 14 inch twist but someone on the Savage Collectors asked and Savage says 10 inch is correct, not 14.

They also list 7mm-08, 308, and 300 Savage which are the obvious choices but having a 250 sounds so cool...

Dale

Dale

Does a 250AI count? I used a 110gr AB at 2900'ish on this bear last spring.

Dale, I have never taken a blackbear in our state, never even seen one. But I do know what the terrain is like. Given that I would think that with the right bullet (TSX maybe) and the right placement I think you would be OK.

Dale-there's lots of good bullets to give a go in your 250. I kind of have a thing for the 100 Horns in it, no doubt could do the 110 Accu as well. If for some reason you wish for something a bit heavier I'd take a look at the 117 Horn round nose, or the 120 Horn and or the 120 Sierra HPBT. No reason for it not to work well, put them in the proper place and viola you'll have a mato rug.

Dober

Steelhead, nice bear. I forgot about the Accubonds. What was the terrain and cover like? Spotted and stalked? How far of a shot? Thanks.




I've seen quite a few over the years, including one that weighed 800 lbs. It was hanging on a tripod in the hunters front yard and it was HUGE! That's my concern, a really big bear in thick cover. It's probably less than 1% chance but it's there.



Dale

If your hunting bear like most do in Pa, your shot probably will be at a moving bear. If your going to take that shot, I would opt for a bigger caliber. If you are going to be selective in taking your shots, load up an interlock, accubond, partition, tsx, etc and go kill a bear.

You don't have a problem, Dale... use that new 7mm/08 all-weather Tikka I saw you using at your Dad's farm on Opening Day (deer season).

Ron T.

SE Alaska is all spot/stalk/shoot, shot was 60-70 yards.

I've killed 3 with my 250-3000 here in Maine. None over bait. 2 with plain 100 gr. Core-lokts and the other with a silvertip. Shots were 25-50 yards and none went far- 10-30 yards. These were unpressured bear in a woods environment. Killed 2 more with the 308. It did leave a bigger hole and a better blood trail.

Trouble is, I'm not sure I like the Tikka. I may replace it with a Howa or Savage. The Savage in 250 would be great for deer but I'm not sure about bears. It may be marginal depending on cover, movement, and bear size.



How big were they? A good blood trail can be very important when driving the thick laurel with no snow. I've got a Savage 99 in 358 as my primary bear gun but I don't like to take it out in the rain anymore.

Thanks,

Dale

DaleK - As I am sure everyone on this board knows, any of the calibers mentioned will kill a bear with a good bullet (TSX, Accubond, TBBC, Partition) placed in the right place. None will make a significant difference if the bullet doesn't go where it is supposed to. Also, your concern is surprising a bear at close quarters; none of the calibers mentioned will stop a charge from a huge bear. My advice; use a .458 Lott.

I love the 250 Savage and have owned one since childhood..I have shot elk, deer and one bear with the 250 Savage..It is a good killer of most game.

As great a round as it is, I don't use it for bear as the bear has a lot of hair and that hair sucks up blood like a seve, thus no blood trail with lighter calibers...I like the .338 and larger calibers for that reason only. It has paid off on a couple of ocassions.

Dalek

The bear I killed with the 250 Savage dressed at 155, 135, and 204. Average Maine bear.

If you're driving and expect a quick shot in thick cover, I might want something bigger than a 250 Savage. However, I don't doubt that it would work superbly on most all bears you will ever encounter in the Commonwealth in other situations.

Most of my bear hunting experience is with drives in thick stuff or prowling the ridgetops trying to look into the thick stuff. Under those conditions, hitting the 'right place' doesn't always happen.

My concern is whether the 250 has enough 'oomph' to drive completely thru a large bear at a bad angle and make 2 holes big enough to leave a good blood trail. I have no doubt that it would work on a broadside shot and a 200 lb bear. What about a trying to break the shoulder on a quartering 500 lb bear?

Baiting is not allowed in Pa. but calling is. If I've convinced a bear that I'm his dinner, I want enough gun to change his mind in a hurry. Is the 250 enough to do that?

Based on the experiences posted, it seems to me the general trend is: it works but is not ideal. Bigger is better in this case.

Dale

Like so many other posters already said, get something bigger then a 250-3000.
The 250-3000 may appear "cool" as you say, until you shoot into a bear and it runs off never to be found. Not so cool anymore.
Under ideal conditions like a standing broadside smack into the heart lungs will do for a small to medium bear.
Anything over 150 pounds go for say a .308 or 06 . Bears have heavy shoulder/chest muscles, too much for a .250 savage. Then you shoot at running bears which I would only do at 25 yards or less. Otherwise you can not guarantee where that shot will go exactly. Bears coming in on a call sometimes on the trot,you want something that will anchor him. Again, a .308 at least or 06 is dandy. It has the Oomp plus penetrating power, enough to crumple them and makes good holes to bleed, using good bullets like 165- 180 Nosler partitions.
In our bearcamps those two have been fine and consistant killers in black bears of all sizes. Ofcourse the 7-300 mags will do a fine job too, but are not needed.
Do not watch a bear die, like I have people seen do. Like Ooo....well he will be dead in a minute or so. If he is alive finish him off. Do not give him the chance to suddenly tear off in the bush never to be found. The heavy fur often prevents a good blood trail. Wounded bears crawl into the most awfull tight places to die.
Buy a .308 or 06, hunt everything with that for a couple of years, then get a 250 savage one day and use it as a specialty gun on deer/ coyotes/groundhogs,that is where it shines and you will not be disapointed in it.

Black bear die easy

STEELIE!!! I haven't seen you post in a while. I was afraid that a Gator or a husband got ya.... Glad to see your avatar here.

Back on topic. I like a large enough gun to make two large holes from which Mr. Bear can bleed and leave a trail. As has been said, it could work in many cases and might be great on a bear in a tree with hounds below but for a spot and stalk bear rifle I would want more rifle.

Dale, my friend...

Think "Model 99 in .358 Winchester using handloaded 225 grain or 250 grain Nosler Partitions"... as sure a "stopper" as reasonably possible for a large (let's say 500 pounds or more), running black bear at close quarters. It would do a real "number" on a big buck as well... or even an elk!!!

The Model 99's advantage is a better looking, more traditional rifle which offers a faster "follow-up" shot with the lever-action vs. the bolt-action Tikka.

And don't worry about it if the rifle gets wet or a bit "used" looking. It wipes off at the end of the day.


Strength & Honor...

Ron T.

I agree with Steelhead. Bear die pretty easily.

I LOVE my 250. and would not hesitate to shoot any bear that lives in Maine. I did not have the wide arrary of bullet choices that is available today which make the 250 even better. Shoot a bear in the azz with a 308 and you still have a wounded bear.

The 250 sav. is cool and it kills far beyond what paper ballastics say it should. However, it is your $$ so you need to be satisfied and convinced.

Get the heaviest TSX you can load, and do check the twist. A 1 in 14 may not stabilize the longer bullets.

Dale get the weathger warrior in .250 - load some tsx, accubond, and or partitions and go kill a bear . I have taken or seen taken bear, elk, moose, tons of deer, antelope, and an assortment of vermin with the .250......and guess what the animals that were hit were they should died and the ones that were'nt did what all the other animals that I've seen shot with much "greater" calibers did.....did not die (at least right away). It is no great mystery and the .250 is more than up for the job....if you are?!!

Best of luck with your choice!
PennDog

If shot well. I made some good dollars going into the bush to kill wounded bear a couple decades ago. Their fat sealls the wound chanel and you don't usually get much blood trail to follow. A wounded angry bear needs a central nervous system hit to put down with authority. If you keep your nerve, that is the ideal shot when calling, as they are coming in for dinner and typically come in hot, and face on. Spinal shots I have taken a number with 6.5x55. I moved up to 45/70 single shot and finally to 338 win mag. I only got two with that, and quit helping out the outfitters in the mid 1990's as a slow economy had them balk at my price. I plan on using a 257 bob this next fall and it is hardly more powerful than the 250-3000.
Randy

I've only shot one bear with a .25, that one was with a Roberts. It worked very well with 120 gr. Nosler partition - broke shoulder blade, backbone, and exited from just over 100 yds. I have used the 250 Savage with 117 gr. Hornady round nose to kill three big northern whitetails, and got an exit wound each time. I'd be OK using either bullet on black bear in a .250 if it was loaded hot ( about 2700 fps) and shot at ranges under 150 yards or so. Longer range would make me nervous about bullet placement as well as bullet energy. I'd not use a Remington or Winchester factory load 100 grain bullet for bear, for reasons some others have already mentioned.

Yup.

My old man killed a 600 pounder that squared a little over 7 feet,with a 243.

With Sierra bullets to boot........ (grin)

WB.

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What have you used on bear?

A 1-14 twist will NOT stabilize a lot of bullets that are out there right now. In fact, 1-10 is marginal on the 115 Ballistic tips and such. I suspect that Steelie's 250AI is a 1-10 if he is using 110 Accus. If this really is a 1-14- don't touch it with with the proverbial 10-foot-pole.

All this said, I have killed a number of cow elk with my 250 Savage, all using 100 grain Partitions. All have been complete pass-throughs so using a 115 Partition is probably no warranted.

Would I hunt PA bears in thick cover with one? Not on purpose- I would use a large caliber bullet to make a bigger hole. Ray said it best.

Ron,
The Savage 99 in .358 Win, would indeed be a fine blackbear gun.
Having used both bolt and savage lever guns, I seriously dispute whether the lever gun is faster then a smooth bolt gun like the tikka for rapid aimed shots, truthfully me not think so, actually I believe the reverse is true. Most savage leverguns had an awfull trigger to boot, which does not help in delivering rapid well aimed shots, regardless of looks and tradition.
Also I would discourage running shots on black bears unless they are well within 25 yards and the person has skills as a wingshot. A 225 grainer into the gut is still a blackbear that will not be recovered.

Shrike...

I don't recommend shooting at running game either... especially game like bears that, if wounded, can be a danger to other hunters or innocent hikers.

However, I was looking at the need for FAST follow-up shots due to the bear charging the hunter at very short range and closing that range rapidly.

Therefore, the necessity of making a "well-aimed shot" wasn't as important as putting several shots into the charging bear as fast as possible. But even if the situation called for shooting a standing bear a 2nd or 3rd time, the lever rifle with a smooth action like the Model 99 Savage would have the advantage.

I'm well-practiced in shooting both lever and bolt rifles. I hunted for over 40 years with a pre-'64 Model 70 bolt-action rifle in .338 Winchester Magnum and so, I'm completely familiar with the speed at which a bolt-action rifle can be manipulated.

However, after hunting running jackrabbits with a Marlin Model 39 "Mountie" (a .22 rimfire lever-action rifle) and shooting literally thousands of rounds through the lever-action Model 39 plus hundreds of rounds through the Savage Model 99 lever-action rifle, I have to respectfully disagree with you as to which type of action is fastest for follow-up shots.

Frankly, I surprised you'd even attempt to debate it or say that the bolt-action is actually faster on follow up shots than a lever-action Model 99 which has a very smooth action and a firm, but decent trigger.

In fact, I recently had my gunsmith take my Model 99's trigger down to 3 lbs. As a result, the trigger on my Model 99 is quite nice.


Strength & Honor...

Ron T.

Savage's website says the twist is 1/14 but someone on the Savage Collectors double checked and Savage said that is wrong. It is actually 1/10. Barnes website recommends 1/9 as minimum for the 115 grainers.

IMO, a 250 with a 100 gr. is the same as 243 and I don't consider that adequate for bear under the conditions I have experienced.

Looks like I won't be getting a SS/syn 250 for bear. If they offered a wood/blue model would make a nice groundhog/deer gun though.

Thanks, everyone for all the input.

Dale

I wouldn't think twice about it, but I've only seen a 'few' bears die......

Oh man a savage weather warrior in 250 savage huh? I wish I never read this thread. Now I gotta buy anther rifle! When I bought my Roberts I was really looking for a 250, but no factory chambered for it then.

I carry a Roberts loaded with 100 grn tsx in Clinton Co Pa but can't prove to anyone yet that I'm not nuts. maybe next year I'll see one.

By the way my Roberts 1-10 twist Ruger Ultra light won't stabilize 115 tsx's. Puts oblong holes in the paper about 5" at 100 yds FWIW.

This thread has me all excited. My dad's 99 has three bear to it's credit. IIRC, one was with 100gr and two with 87gr factory ammo, back in the 20s and 30s. One horse in Dec., '44 with an 87gr factory load. (It had to be put down.) A .250 does well on many levels, as Steelhead points out, and now, after reading all this, I may have to find me a new Savage.