Browning X Bolt?

Posted by: quackquackbang

Browning X Bolt? - 11/17/09 08:14 PM

just wondering on what you guys think of this rifle!!!Thanks
Posted by: wilkeshunter

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/17/09 08:19 PM

Can't get past the whole made in japan thing. There are so many good options made in the U.S.A. why go jap?
Posted by: VaHillbilly

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/17/09 08:46 PM

Had an X-Bolt SS in 30.06 and liked it a lot, it shot great ( less than 1" groups at 100 yds) However you will find not much love for Browning bolt action rifles on this site......Good luck................547.
Posted by: Gobble

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/18/09 07:08 AM

they shoot good i just don't like how they look Japan is better than China in my book I have owned some other Japanese Brownings that were very good guns Rimfire and Shotguns.
Posted by: Horseman

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/18/09 01:36 PM

I've got an X-Bolt in 270Win. It's my favorite rifle now. It shoots handloads and Fed. Fusions an honest 1/2" @ 100yds. It's lighter, more accurate, and fits me better than my Sako 85 hunter. This year the Sako, Tikka, 700's, Pre 64, and Ruger all stayed home. The magazine system feeds single stack smooth as silk and I turned the trigger down to a crisp 3 lbs. Great rifles. I'm getting another in stainless.

I spot for an open to the public sight-in 3 weekends prior to season. I spot sight in 30 to 40 rifles per day. Brownings and Tikka's never dissapoint in the accuracy dept.
Posted by: jmj

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/18/09 03:17 PM

I just got one in 7mm-08. It's the dark wood, matte finish.
I love it. I can only get it to group 1.75 that's with Federal ammo and Barnes 140 grain xxx.
I really like the look and feel of it. The action is very smooth.
Posted by: vital_kill

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/18/09 03:22 PM

There are way better guns, you have a huge open door. My advice, look hard into a new M70 and Sako 85 or a Kimber 84L.
Posted by: Horseman

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/18/09 04:08 PM

Originally Posted By: vital_kill
There are way better guns, you have a huge open door. My advice, look hard into a new M70 and Sako 85 or a Kimber 84L.


I own all of those and prefer the X-Bolt for various reasons. Everyone with an opinion should add whether they own, have shot or even held an X-bolt.
Posted by: JTD0314

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/18/09 04:09 PM

http://24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/3488375/Re_x_Bolts_opinions#Post3488375

I love mine!
Posted by: abcschilling

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/18/09 04:10 PM

haven't shot one but I just don't like the way the comb hits my cheek. That part of the stock just feels small. never noticed that with an a-bolt.
Posted by: JohnMoses

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/18/09 04:13 PM

Don't know about the way better guns bit posted above. I have owned or own all 3 of those rifles with the exception of the Sako 85, which I have shot a fair amount (BIL has one) and for what it's worth, my A-Bolts and X-Bolt delivered better accuracy than all 3.

I bought an X-Bolt in 7WSM. Shoots 3 shot groups in the .6's consistently using Win. Supreme 160 Gr. Accubonds.

This board is full of Browning hater's, not sure why. If you dig deeper you'll find that most have never owned one, so take alot of it for what it's worth.

I have shot 4 different X-Bolts. They were all fine shooters and functioned flawlessly.

If you like it, buy one. They are good rifles.

JM
Posted by: Horseman

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/18/09 04:13 PM

Originally Posted By: abcschilling
haven't shot one but I just don't like the way the comb hits my cheek. That part of the stock just feels small. never noticed that with an a-bolt.


I can understand that. They have a very petite feel that I like but it's a personal taste thing.
Posted by: quackquackbang

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/18/09 05:43 PM

Hey guys thanks for your advice I just ordered it in Stainless 7mm-08 and can wait for it to arrive and i will keep you guys posted on how it shoots!! I think im goin to run 140gr TTSX or 140gr E-Tips threw it. I have a buddie who is gonna work up some loads for me then i will load them myself as i will just be getting in to reloading and i will fly a few factory round also seem's i have a few lying around just to see how it will shoot them!!!! smile
Posted by: orion03

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/18/09 08:07 PM

I think you'll be very pleased with your X-Bolt. Nothing wrong with Jap built guns, I own several Citori's and they're made as well if not better than most other guns. The Japanese are very particular when putting together a firearm.
Posted by: Horseman

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/18/09 08:13 PM

I think you'll like it too. Let us know how it shoots. Mine's been outstanding.
Posted by: bearstalker

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/18/09 08:18 PM

Originally Posted By: wilkeshunter
Can't get past the whole made in japan thing. There are so many good options made in the U.S.A. why go jap?


My Vanguard said the same thing. Didn't bother me none...
Posted by: Glocked_N_Loaded

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/19/09 05:04 AM

I think they are beautful rifles personally, don't own one myself but wouldn't hesistate in purchasing one had I the extra cash. Has a nice classic appearance and yet modern at the same time, think it would be a great pass down rifle.
Posted by: vital_kill

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/19/09 11:22 AM

I have only horror experiences with Browning rifles. Broken chipped extractors, bad crown from factory, loose triggers, unreliable safeties, bad chambers and poor feeding. Some will shoot some don't. From accuracy stand point they are on par with any factory rifles. A-bolts and X-bolts! Oh and I avoid anything made in child labor industries.
Posted by: Hawk_Driver

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/19/09 12:13 PM

Have owned 3 A-Bolts and still own one. Never had a single problem with any of them. They have all come out of the box really needing nothing. Hard to say that about lots of others.
Posted by: Horseman

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/19/09 02:13 PM

Originally Posted By: vital_kill
I have only horror experiences with Browning rifles. Broken chipped extractors, bad crown from factory, loose triggers, unreliable safeties, bad chambers and poor feeding. Some will shoot some don't. From accuracy stand point they are on par with any factory rifles. A-bolts and X-bolts! Oh and I avoid anything made in child labor industries.


That is certainly not typical of Browning rifles. Ken(Wildalaska)at Wild West Guns in Alaska told me Browning rifles have the lowest service rate of anything they sell. IIRC he said in 2007 they had no service work done on any Browning even with a high volume of Browning's sold.
Posted by: JohnMoses

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/19/09 02:56 PM

Originally Posted By: vital_kill
I have only horror experiences with Browning rifles. Broken chipped extractors, bad crown from factory, loose triggers, unreliable safeties, bad chambers and poor feeding. Some will shoot some don't. From accuracy stand point they are on par with any factory rifles. A-bolts and X-bolts! Oh and I avoid anything made in child labor industries.


You had all that wrong with how many rifles? Unreliable safeties? Please explain. My family has probably owned 50 or more Browning rifles over the years, Never saw anything you described. The worst problem I can remember was a Safari with a pencil bbl. that threw fliers every now and then. A bedding job fixed it.

As far as your accusation of child labor being involved in the making Browning firearms, please post a link for everyones benefit.

Nevermind, I did a search, the only result for Browning firearms using child labor was you ridiculous post above...

Forgive me if I don't believe anything you stated in your post. I have a lifetime of experience with those rifles, shooting them, selling them and owning them.

To have gotten rifles with all the problems you describe above, you would have had to have owned several hundreds of them.

My bullschit detector just pegged out..



Posted by: Glocked_N_Loaded

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/19/09 03:17 PM

Originally Posted By: vital_kill
Oh and I avoid anything made in child labor industries.


So basically you have something against kids earning their own money? Big wheels aren't cheap ya know? grin
Posted by: Sitka deer

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/19/09 04:14 PM

I have posted my experiences with A-Bolts many times... For a hard use rifle in AK they are worse than junk. With far less time in the field with them personally and with others around me using them compared to any other common brand, I have seen more A-Bolt failures than all others combined. And I have more personal experience with old 742 Remingtons!

I have also had several Browning Safaris over the years.

Usually the problems start in the trigger itself and are corrosion related. I believe they have had many batches of rifles assembled with parts with questionable and mixed metalurgical pedigree.

Most commonly the rod in the trigger group freezes in place (from rust) locking the trigger.

I have three Clitoris and consider them an outstanding shotgun for the money for durability and value for your money. I have had several superposed O/Us over they years and have nothing harsh to say about them.

I also have a BPS12, have had another and also a BPS10. For lefties and those with eye dominance issues they are the best pump gun going IMO.

And then there is the Buckmark, probably my favorite 22LR pistol.

So I have no beef with Browning. I know one guide that has been using a 375H&H A-Bolt for years without issue in ugly weather and close to salt. But that is the only one...
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Posted by: JohnMoses

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/19/09 04:25 PM

Quote:
Most commonly the rod in the trigger group freezes in place (from rust) locking the trigger


Hmmm. Maybe clean it once in awhile? If you let stuff rust up, Browning Rifles included, they tend not to work well.
Posted by: Horseman

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/19/09 04:26 PM

The X-Bolt has a redesigned trigger from the A-bolt.
Posted by: Hawk_Driver

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/19/09 04:34 PM

I would say that guide knows a little something about taking care of his tools.
Posted by: Sitka deer

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/19/09 04:42 PM

I have seen oiled and waxed trigger parts rust up in less than a week near saltwater. It is not a maintenece issue. Unless you think the barreled action needs to be removed every night for rust removal.

The bolt has WAY too many parts and I have seen them fail because of an internal pin slipping.

The A-Bolt is poorly designed and poorly executed for tough conditions...
Posted by: Horseman

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/19/09 04:50 PM

Do you have any experience with the X-Bolt asked about by the OP? The X-bolt doesn't have the bolt sleeve like the A-bolt and a totally redesigned trigger. Those seem to be what you've had problems with in the past.
Posted by: vital_kill

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/19/09 04:55 PM

Rifle #1 - Abolt 30-06 made in 94, broken chipped extractor with the first 15 rounds. Sold it off after is was repaired, shot okay.

Rifle #2 - A-bolt SS .270 WSM made in 2004, Feeding and extraction issues. A cartridge would just pop out of the loading port to the ground. Happens with every type of ammo. Cartridges come out of chamber with dents and burrs. Sent rifle to browning and they cleaned up the chamber but the feeding issue was never resolved.

Rifle #3 - Wife's X-bolt Hunter, saftey will not disengage. No matter in what position it would not fire. Loose sloppy trigger Return to store for FN M70.

Rifle #4 - A-bolt Medallion 30-06, groups jumped all over the place, checked everything and found out the factory put on a sloppy crown, sent to smith and recrowned it. Shot sloppy, but improved a bit. sold.

Like I said, these are my experiences with them and this is my 2 cents. I just gave up on them. Your experiences may differ from mine, guess you are a lucky dog. I can't stand buying crap from a country that bombed pearl harbor, your very OWN country.
Posted by: Hawk_Driver

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/19/09 04:59 PM

You cant stand buying stuff from a country that bombed Pearl Harbor, but yet you bought 4 Browning rifles? The X-Bolt hasnt been out that long, so that was a recent purchase.
Posted by: Sitka deer

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/19/09 05:09 PM

No experience with the X-Bolt and extremely unlikely to develop any... Based on the A-Bolt experiences.

1) Smiths willing to mess with putting new barrels on them will be hard to find.
2) The basic barreled action is too heavy (was not an issue with my previous A-Bolts because they were all 375H&H or 375RUM) Just remembered another in 30-06, sold it.
3) They still have way too many parts.
4) Concerns about Browning metalurgy continue...
Posted by: ranger1

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/19/09 05:09 PM

I like my Abolts - never had problem number one with any of them and they have been used HARD. Never been anywhere near saltwater so I defer to Sitka Deer in that respect. All are sub-MOA rifles. The X-bolt looks like something from an episode of Star Trek to me. IMHO they took a great rifle and made it fugly.
Posted by: Hawk_Driver

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/19/09 05:21 PM

Sitka,
How bad did those 375 A-Bolts kick? Those things probably didnt even weigh 8 pounds. I have picked one up in 375 and cant imagine they were much fun to shoot.
Posted by: Sitka deer

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/19/09 05:30 PM

The RUM was brutal... The H&H merely painful...
Posted by: JohnMoses

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/19/09 10:19 PM

Originally Posted By: vital_kill
Like I said, these are my experiences with them and this is my 2 cents. I just gave up on them. Your experiences may differ from mine, guess you are a lucky dog. I can't stand buying crap from a country that bombed pearl harbor, your very OWN country.


When did your patriotic fervor kick in? Must have been real recent since you have bought 4 of them, 1 being an X-Bolt that has been out for only 2 years.

Well, if your going to quit buying from countries we have fought in the past, Put England, France, Spain, Italy, China, Germany, Mexico, Austria, Canada on your list as well.

Still waiting for you to show us proof to back up that statement you made concerning child labor puting these guns together.

Bullschit meter still pegged out.



Posted by: JohnMoses

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/19/09 10:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Sitka deer
I have seen oiled and waxed trigger parts rust up in less than a week near saltwater. It is not a maintenece issue. Unless you think the barreled action needs to be removed every night for rust removal.

The bolt has WAY too many parts and I have seen them fail because of an internal pin slipping.

The A-Bolt is poorly designed and poorly executed for tough conditions...


Have buddies in south Louisiana that shoot them. I have hunted down there for week myself, Never heard of the salt being an issue and they travel in brackish water by boat to get to some of their stands and camp. Gun maintanence is not high on their list of priorities, as a matter of fact, most of them don't put their rifles in cases when traveling by boat.

I can say I have never seen them scuba dive with them. Maybe the Gulf is not as salty as the pacific.

Burt Rogillio is a Bear guide in Canada and a friend of mine. He has carried a .375 A-Bolt for years. I'll ask him if he has had trouble.

He made need to take it apart and look at it too.

Posted by: Sitka deer

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/20/09 09:03 AM

And I can point you at another A-Bolt that has been used hard near salt for over 20 years without a burp, also a bear guide's 375H&H back-up rifle. And mine never had an issue with corrosion. But neither of those prove anything.

It is the failures that count and I have seen enough to believe avoiding A-Bolts is a really good idea... If you are going near saltwater.

I had often said you could not give me an A-bolt... then this happened and proved I was a liar! wink
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads...fle#Post1809935
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Posted by: vital_kill

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/20/09 09:48 AM

John Browning is turning in his grave with the rifles they are putting his name on! BBBWWWAAAAHAHAHAHHA!

But anyways, I never said is was a crap rifle I said there are better rifles out there. If you got a problem, go shoot your A-bolt to cool off. It's an open forum and everyone is entitled to voice what they want. I'm not going to praise a product that has given me nothing but issues even though I tried it several times. I would like to see the good results you are seeing, but my face can't see my own a$$ that far.
Posted by: Horseman

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/20/09 10:37 AM

Does anyone have info for the OP? This is like complaining about a truck I don't like that was designed 20 years ago. The X-Bolt is the rifle in question. Major complaints about the A-Bolt heard so far have been redesigned on the xbolt.
Posted by: JohnMoses

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/20/09 01:07 PM

Vital, just open your eyes, it's apparent your head is already up your a$$.

Still no answer as to when you became all indignant over buying Japanese products, since you owned 4 A-Bolts and recently purchased an X-Bolt????

Still no answer regarding your claim of child labor in the production of Browning guns????

It's always nice to expose a bullschitter on here.

JM.
Posted by: vital_kill

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/20/09 03:58 PM

I guess I really poked your bubble there, MR. Broke-Back! You know the truth, the whole world knows the truth! Japan, Korea, China and all of the east uses child labor! It's basically hidden media because why? The market is making money off of sour people like you buying thier junk. Poor kids working in a factory 12 hours a day making junk. Believe me, I don't want to make a monkey out of you. Why should I take all the credit? Brains aren't everything. In fact, in your case they're nothing! Don't thank me for insulting you. It was my pleasure. I'm pretty sure you're one of those guys that have a Buckmark tattoo up his left butt cheek trying to win a cheap spaced-age browning rifle. You probably sport one of them big Browning stickers behind their window trucks and have a closet full of clothes that have a buckmark logo, HAHA! I bet you're also one of those guys that praise Scott Grange at every shotshow!
Posted by: JohnMoses

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/20/09 06:16 PM

You are a liar and a clown. I just exposed your lies, easy enough to do because you're pretty stupid.

You have not answered any of the questions put to you regarding your accusations because you can't.

You know why? Because you are a liar. You're busted. Shined the light on your cock roach azz and sprayed you with the truth.

I enjoyed doing it, but next time don't make it so easy.

Now go put your clown nose on and stand in the corner until I tell you to come out.

Later punk grin





Posted by: vital_kill

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/20/09 06:53 PM

Take your Midas fishing rod and go fishing with your buddy! You two can take a horse ride up to broke-back and discuss where to place the next buckmark tattoo on. HAHAHA! Just admit it, there are better rifles than browning. It's a disgraced of you to have Mr. Brownings name as a screen name, he's about to crawl out of the grave with people like you. Since his death, anything with his name stamped on is nothing but junk. BBBBWWWWAAAAAAHAHHHHHHAAAAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: JohnMoses

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/20/09 10:14 PM

Are you 13? Your daddy should have whipped your azz with a fishing rod, if he had, maybe you wouldn't be such a lying idiot now.

All of your homo erotic fantasies are very telling. I guess you forgot which site you were on, you may now return to your gay porn.

The more you type, the more of your garbage can existance is revealed. Please continue, It's nice watching you meltdown, posting juvenile comments in order to avoid answering for your lies. grin

Still waiting on that evidence regarding your claims clown. You and Lee 24 must be kin.

Hope you are enjoying your internet beat down.
Posted by: Horseman

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/21/09 04:00 AM

I know I'm enjoying it.
Posted by: Glocked_N_Loaded

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/21/09 04:15 AM

Ice cold coke -- check
Freshly popped popcorn -- check

Please continue.

Posted by: brianc142

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/21/09 05:46 AM

I've been hunting with a .270 A Bolt for 22 years and it's always been dead on reliable. Besides this A Bolt, I have owned two in 300 WSM, one in 7mm-08 (wish I'd never sold that one), one in 7mmm Rem Mag and one in .308. I never had a problem with any of them. I recently purchased a new X Bolt in .270 WSM. Based on my experiences with the A Bolt and Browning in general, I think I will be just as pleased with the new X Bolt.
Posted by: Duc1198

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/21/09 08:40 AM

All rifles have issues of one kind or another at some point.

There are the Kimber fans that think Kimbers are handed down straight from God, and yet they will also tell you they have their issues and is a crapshoot. Or will tell you to work up the perfect handload for it, rather than expect it to shoot almost any load with good results. Quality? Doesn't shoot worth a [bleep], yet is the best rifle out there? I'll take a Browning.

Remingtons have their issues as well. I noticed one of the scope taps wasn't drilled deep enough for my old XCR and heard of many others with the same issue. Many issues in addition to that.

Winchester has had their issues which have recently been gone over in other threads on this forum. The new ones seem to be pretty good, aside from some not liking the new trigger.

Even the cheap, but very accurate Tikka has been bashed for having cheap plastic parts that break.

I've only had one Browning, but it was great. Put a Timney trigger spring in it and that thing would shoot. Should have held onto it, but didn't. Was a great rifle with no complaints.
Posted by: JTD0314

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/21/09 10:01 AM

I own several Weatherby, Remington, Winchester, Ruger and Browning rifles and one Browning shotgun. I am very pleased with Browning's quality and accuracy out of the box. I have a BAR Short Trac in 308 that shoots less than MOA and the new 30-06 X-Bolt is about the same. Besides my Weatherby Ultralight, the X-Bolt is my favorite rifle. My only complaint is the magazine. I am not crazy about the plastic, but it works fine. The fit and finish and quality of the X-Bolt is better than my Remington 700. I will more than likely look for an X-Bolt in 325 WSM.
Posted by: Judman

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/21/09 11:01 AM

Ahhh, Weatherby's and Brownings, the 2 rifles most love to hate.. I've had a couple BAR's, a 270 wby, and a 300 win, several A-bolts, 270 win,270 wsm, a couple 338's,.22, BLR 358. Never had a problem with em. All were easy to coax sub moa groups outta of, with factory fodder, with the exception of the 270 wsm, which I didn't give much of a chance. They also fit me better than all factory rifles, with the exception of weatherby. Buy it, chances are you'll dig it. Later
Posted by: JTD0314

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/21/09 01:22 PM

I have a Weatherby Ultra Light 270 Win. that fits me like a glove. I have a VX3L 3.5-10X50 on it and it shoots .75" if I shoot a group and then it it cool for a while. It is my favorite hunting rifle, but I think the X-Bolt will be a close runner up.
Posted by: Fuzzbean

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/21/09 05:01 PM

Originally Posted By: vital_kill
You know the truth, the whole world knows the truth! Japan, Korea, China and all of the east uses child labor! It's basically hidden media because why? The market is making money off of sour people like you buying thier junk. Poor kids working in a factory 12 hours a day making junk.


This is outrageous BS. I worked for Miroku (where Browning guns are made) in Japan for 2.5 years. There is absolutely, positively NO child labor in the Miroku plants. Japan is a modern nation. They have labor unions there. At Miroku at least, it is actually a violation of labor laws or labor agreements for any worker to work more than 3 hours overtime on any day. And a normal workday is actually somewhat less than 8 hours of work, so there are no 12 hour days there for anybody. If you work 3 hours overtime, you get a 10 minute break at the end of the regular day, plus another 10 minute break after the second hour of overtime.

I have visited Korea and China as well as Japan, and while I expect there is child labor in China it is an incredible show of ignorance to lump China and Japan together as if there was no difference. There is good and bad in both countries, but they are worlds apart. Just vastly different.
Posted by: Horseman

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/21/09 05:49 PM

Fuzzbean

Excellent first post. A fresh breath of reality. It just goes to show that while everyone has an opinion, that doesn't make it so. The facts are the facts. Spouting lies helps no one.
Posted by: vital_kill

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/21/09 09:41 PM

So what did you work as?
Posted by: Fuzzbean

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/21/09 11:09 PM

I was a prototype machinist in the R&D department. Not usually true prototypes, as those are made by Browning engineers in Utah, but Miroku always had to make up a number of "Design Verification Test" guns, at least two of which would typically get fired 10,000 rounds, with numerous others being fired lesser amounts, maybe 1000 rounds. These guns would then serve as a guide for the production engineers, after the bugs were out. The first production guns would later be fired 10,000 rounds as well. As a matter of fact, although I was more involved in other projects at the time, I recall Miroku made up about 45 DVT guns for what became the X-Bolt. We spent about 8 months on that, and a LOT of money, then Browning was dissatisfied with the trigger mechanism and re-started the trigger from a clean sheet of paper just about the time I had to leave. That was when they added the release button on the bolt handle also.

I'm not here to either praise or criticize Browning, but Miroku is basically a good company. The production workers there are excellent, albeit working under the typical Japanese pressure to conform to group opinions and so forth. Because of labor unions and other factors, the Japanese manufacturers are running into the same high labor costs as we have in the United States. It is tough for Miroku to compete with the Chinese and Brazillians and Turks and Russians. They do not even own the design rights to anything they currently manufacture... products they perfected at great cost could be pulled away and sent to Russian factories... so the only leg they have to stand on is quality.
Posted by: jmj

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/22/09 05:11 AM

Fuzzbean, thanks for a dose of reality. Vital Kill, I've been on this forum for years. You are by far the biggest idiot I've ever encountered.
Posted by: slasher

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/22/09 09:07 AM


I bought a couple out of curiosity. Everything works and they maintain POI amazingly well for such skinny barrels.

I've heard all of the negatives about them, as to cheap metal in the triggers, seizing in frigid weather, etc. and the general bias against them.

I am more than pleased with both.
Posted by: 358Norma_fan

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/22/09 11:18 AM

I'cw owned Brownings for a long time, I currently have 5 A-bolts in the safe. Never had a problem with any of them, and all are amazingly accurate.
When the X bolt came out I looked it over, felt the balance and really like the way it handles, the on;y complaint I have is the boxmagazine and the release for it. Don't care for how easy it is to release, I much prefer the Sako style release.
Finally got a chance to shoot a new X bolt yesterday, a 338 Win. mag. Accuracy was on par with any of the others I've shot, recoil was a bit heavy, but what do you expect out of a light rifle? Overall, pretty impressed with it and would buy one.
Posted by: ChasR

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/22/09 11:50 AM

Originally Posted By: Fuzzbean
I was a prototype machinist in the R&D department.
Did you happen to run into Lee24 there? He maybe designed the machinery used on the production floor.
smile
Posted by: brianc142

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/22/09 02:17 PM

I am happy enough with my .270 WSM X Bolt that I will be buying a 7mm-08 before next deer season rolls around. As far as the complaints on the plastic magazine, I wouldn't let it worry you too much. I've been carrying Glocks with plastic magazines on the job for 13 years and never had one go down on me. The plastic mag in my Tikka works just fine too. I actually like the plastic detachable mag; I think it's an upgrade vs. the hinged floor plate on the A Bolt. (those have never given me a problem either though)
Posted by: rahtreelimbs

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/22/09 02:42 PM

I would try one!


As child labor laws and Browning violating them. I guess you can preach all you want but I 'll bet everyone on this board owns something made in Japan, China or elsewhere!
Posted by: 358Norma_fan

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/22/09 03:22 PM

Brianc, I have no problem with the magazine itself, it's the mag release that I have questions about. The mag comes out really easy, not something I want in a rifle that's hunted in thick cover.
Posted by: brianc142

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/22/09 06:08 PM

Originally Posted By: 358Norma_fan
Brianc, I have no problem with the magazine itself, it's the mag release that I have questions about. The mag comes out really easy, not something I want in a rifle that's hunted in thick cover.

Roger that. I still don't think it would be an issue but you never know. The A Bolt has always been my go to rifle; I won't be replacing them with X Bolts but I will definitely buy more X Bolts. I think Browning hit a homerun with it. Their new Maxus shotgun is very nice also. I picked up one of those not long ago too. Browning is putting out some nice stuff these days, but haven't they always? Next on my list is a Cynergy 20ga followed by a 7-08 X Bolt.
Posted by: Sitka deer

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/22/09 07:33 PM

"Next on my list is a Cynergy 20ga..."

I think the Citori is a fine shotgun for the money and have three of them... The Cynergy is what they had to make to rekindle O/U shotgun sales. They did not improve on the Citori, just made it look different. REAL different.

The Cynergy is the only O/U that makes a Red Label look good. They put the H in Homely!
art
Posted by: JohnMoses

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/22/09 10:12 PM

Art,

I spoke with my buddy in So. Louisiana friday. He called me back and one of his triggers had considerable rust. Ironically, it was not the A-Bolt he uses most of the time, that one was fine???

Haven't been able to get up with Rogilio in Canada yet.

Best,

JM
Posted by: Sitka deer

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/22/09 10:44 PM

JOhn
There are plenty of success stories, but trouble-shooting successes is not the way to find potential problems. I can give you a lengthy list of guides with horrible A-Bolt stories... Banana-peeled barrels while shooting at big bears to clicks when big booms are anticipated... Those stories speak to issues...

And again, I can give you the name of a big bear guide using an old A-Bolt with two decades of experience...

I believe there are many without metalurgy issue, but draw the short straw and you have problems...
art
Posted by: JohnMoses

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/23/09 03:16 AM

There seems to be an issue there. The gun he bought in the early 90's had rust, the rifle he bought in 2003 (his primry gun)that has seen alot more use, looked good. eek

I had torn mine all down last year and installed Ernie the Gunsmith Trigger springs in them and they looked fine, but i haven't repeatedly been around alot of salt water with them.

JM
Posted by: jmj

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/23/09 04:42 AM

I spent a week at Old Harbor Alaska doing a little deer hunting. Used a Remington Model 7 7mmSaum. That salt water almost ate that gun up.
It laid in the boat for 5 days, and the bolt almost froze. Not being critical of Remington, I should have lubed it daily, just saying, that salt water will eat anything up. Saying all this I will also say, I've read Art's posts over the years and respect and trust anything he says.
For my use in Alabama, A-bolts and the X-bolt serves me well....
Posted by: brianc142

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/23/09 05:20 AM

Originally Posted By: Sitka deer
"Next on my list is a Cynergy 20ga..."

I think the Citori is a fine shotgun for the money and have three of them... The Cynergy is what they had to make to rekindle O/U shotgun sales. They did not improve on the Citori, just made it look different. REAL different.

The Cynergy is the only O/U that makes a Red Label look good. They put the H in Homely!
art



Haha. I hear you. I have heard the "ugly" comments from others too. I have always hunted with autoloaders or pumps so this will be my first O/U purchase. I haven't written off the Citori completely but I think the Cynergy looks neat and shoot well too. I tried one out on some sporting clays a few weeks ago. I have also looked hard at the Citori White Lightning and Feather Weight (not sure of the exact name) in 20.
Posted by: JohnMoses

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/23/09 05:26 AM

Both Remington and Browning have what's called an enclosed trigger group. Win. Model 70's trigger mechanism is open.

Not sure if that may have anything to do with it though.

JM
Posted by: Horseman

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/23/09 05:45 AM

The new FN M70's have an enclosed trigger though. And it's about the only thing folks don't like about em. I've never had a problem with either type personally. I grew up hunting ice cold Wisconsin where you have to stand your gun up in a corner with a towel under it to catch all the condensation. I never had one problem with enclosed triggers. Once or twice a year I flush the trigger with Rem-oil followed by compressed air on all my guns.
Posted by: Sitka deer

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/23/09 09:21 AM

Brian
I have two Gran Lightnin 20s and they are gorgeous and feel really good. Unfortunately for me, they fit me like Karen Carpenter's blue jeans would have and I am better off using them as spears...
art
Posted by: Sitka deer

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/23/09 09:28 AM

Originally Posted By: JohnMoses
Both Remington and Browning have what's called an enclosed trigger group. Win. Model 70's trigger mechanism is open.

Not sure if that may have anything to do with it though.

JM


A couple winters ago I had several barreled actions with triggers installed that I tested on the back porch at below zero. With the triggers as-is I spritzed them with water and let them sit for a while, none froze or failed. Then I poured water on them and let them sit outside. None failed.

Then I brought them inside to warm and misted them before returning them to the cold. Only a 700 did not freeze, but it froze on a retest.

Then I cleaned them all and sprayed them with lock anti-freeze, graphite type spray... I could not get any of them to freeze after that. I played other games with them and that was the most conclusive. I am not convinced of the superiority of any particular trigger design and closing it in does not seem to make any real difference.

But it is rust where A-Bolts fail to shine, IME&O.
art
Posted by: brianc142

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/23/09 12:52 PM

Originally Posted By: Sitka deer
Brian
I have two Gran Lightnin 20s and they are gorgeous and feel really good. Unfortunately for me, they fit me like Karen Carpenter's blue jeans would have and I am better off using them as spears...
art

Hahaha
Posted by: JohnMoses

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/23/09 02:58 PM

Graphite type lubricant is all that should be put into a trigger, whether exposed or not.
Posted by: avagadro

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/23/09 03:14 PM

Originally Posted By: JohnMoses

This board is full of Browning hater's, not sure why. If you dig deeper you'll find that most have never owned one, so take alot of it for what it's worth.



Same can be said about the Weatherby MkV
Posted by: Horseman

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/23/09 04:06 PM

Originally Posted By: JohnMoses
Graphite type lubricant is all that should be put into a trigger, whether exposed or not.


Keep it off aluminum. Graphite can cause galvanic corrosion of aluminum. I have some aluminum action benchrest rigs. I was told by the mfg and other benchresters to avoid graphite like the plague.

Every military spec for solid film lubricants must be certified as graphite free. Graphite is also soft and does not provide heavy load lubrication.

I'm not sure how much of the x-bolt is aluminum but the housing appears to be an alloy.
Posted by: jimmyp

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/23/09 04:07 PM

it has been mentioned that Kimber, Remington, and the new Winchester triggers are similar "in a box"
Posted by: JohnMoses

Re: Browning X Bolt? - 11/23/09 06:54 PM

Don't have any rifles with aluminum actions or triggers. But that's good to know. I should mention I use dry molybdenum disulfide spray which I see contains no graphite after I looked on the can, I got lucky. My bad, I thought it was a graphite based lubricant.>????

Thanks for that info.

It's not sticky or gummy and won't attract dirt etc. and acts as a rust inhibitor as well, at least that's what they claim. Me triggers ain't rusty so maybe it does.

Most trigger components are machined from high grade carbon or tool steel and hardened to Rockwell 60. Some are plated (sears, engagement surfaces) and this helps prevent corrosion as well.

I'd love to know if Browning has changed their metallurgy on trigger components or how many complaints they have had about rusted triggers.

If I buy a used A-Bolt, I think I'll check for that from now on.





JM