Anyone used this bullet for big game? I'm tempted to kill my bull with this bullet in my new .260. They say .571 bc. Compared to the 123gr scenars I'm shooting in it now I'm pretty sure I can get 3000fps with it.

3000 with a stanard .260 Rem?

2990fps right now with 123 scenars through a 24" Rock 1-9" 5R with 44.0grs H4350. Easy bolt lift, round primers.

It works real well on big game, sort of like a Nosler AccuBond that opens to a little wider front, and retains a little more weight.

Thanks, Are the bc's a little inflated?....571 seems a bit high.

I guess I'll find out when I shoot them.

scenar,

I'll be really curious to hear what you end up at with the 130's.

I've great results with the 130 Swift S2 in the 260 and 6.5-284. It has become my go to hunting bullet for both cartridges.

In shooting it out to 1000 yards I've found the BC to be correct if not even better, it has great hang time.

Shooting the Swift into wet newsprint at 200 yd impact velocities the Swift S2's will out penetrate the Nosler 130 AB with a little wider CS. I suspect it opens up differently.

No doubt it will slam an elk, even at distance.

In the 260 I tried just about every powder to get them to shoot, the S2 can be finicky, then I tried H4350 45.2g for 2,900 fps for an accuracy load,
22" barrel. Lapua 243 brass necked up. Rem primer.

I have complete confidence in it.

SU,

Great info! Thanks and congrats on a dandy mule deer.

I'm going to give them a go...the rifle I just had put together really shoots and the barrel seems fast. How close to the lands are you starting them? and what is your COAL?

Results of three shots at this granite rock at 390 meters with my .260 shooting 123gr scenars a few days ago. Prone from a bipod with a slight tail wind..

scenarshooter,

Sounds like SU35 answered your question on the BC. I never did test any at longer ranges, because while the 130 Scirocco II's shot pretty well in my 6.5-06, they didn't shoot nearly as well as Berger VLD's.

Swift changed the heating process on the Scirocco II's to make them a little tougher than the original Sciroccos. From everything I've seen they'll work really well on elk.

Nice buck, SU35!

My God Pat...you almost hit that revolver laying there!!

Ingwe

I thought you were gonna say I probably shot that group from 10 feet away with that little S&W!!

I like your rifle, I like it a lot!

Knowing your ability and seeing your rifle, elk could easily be on the menu.
I don't know why it wouldn't perform any different than a 270/130.

I'm 10k off the lands and coal is 2.820.

How is your 260's recoil compared to your 308?
Any other differences?



I'm an old rock shooter myself. Do lot's of it.


Thanks for the comment JB, I suspect it may be a bench leg buck.

I agree with your comparison to the .270 shooting 130's.

My little .308 is within a few ounces of what the .260 is weight wise so its easy to run them head to head. Component wise they are put together with a lot of the same...stocks, barrels, scopes, and rings are the same. The .260 is only a bit heavier because of the bottom metal and the barrel having a smaller hole in it. The Templar action on the .260 is probably a bit heavier than the the Remington is on the .308 also, but not much.

Recoil was much more managable with the .260, especially when I was shooting prone.

I plan on doing a write up on both rifles, head to head.

Thanks for the intel! Looking forward to putting together those Scirocco's!

Good stuff here. Has me thinking a 260 Rem might be fun to try! Regarding Sciroccos, I've only shot them in 338 Cal, but found they were very finicky regarding seating depth and were a tad bit slower than other bullets of similar weight once I hit pressure. Very long bearing surface causing higher pressure? I don't know. I only include that here so maybe someone else can explain it to me. Once I found the right seating depth they really shot well though. They made a swing from not good at all to the tightest groups. Very tough bullet too.

You know if you do that, you'll have to change your user name to " Sciroccoshooter".....not to mention that's really hard to spell.

: )

Along with a fairly long bearing surface, Sciroccos also have pure copper jackets, softer than gilding metal. The bonding process also tends to soften the jacket a little. The softer jacket increases friction.

Guy here shot an elk w/a Creedmoor using a 120 TSX at 502 LRF yds. Shot placement.

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ub...reedmoor+elk&Search=true#Post1229166

Scenar...I'd use a 260 or Swede on large game with good shot presentation at modest ranges.....under 400 and better under 3.

Good luck this season and do post your results.

That SH link is a running joke here.


The shooters 685 lb cow is in reality an elk calf that would be lucky to go 200 lbs.

Glad I wasn't the only one to look at that and think calf vice cow.

LOL, no doubt it's raised eyebrows, suffice to say shot placement can save the day in a pinch in many situations.

A good 260 or 6.5x55 load should do very similar work that a 270/130 combo has done, and those have alot of history on big game in NA.

For the bigger stiff I look at SD more than the BC at around 250 or so SD.

I always like 250 or more, w/exception of some bonded and mono bullets. They skew the typical cup/core SD logic IMHO.

No doubt, the 140-160s, in most flavors (most being cup/core) have all proven worthy on the largest of game, elk/moose/bear, etc. Those heavy for cal bullets shoot modest speeds and retain wt. well and dig deep.

Just finished up testing the 130 Swift S2's and I'm smiling! Put together 10 rounds with 43.0grs H4350 seated to the lands and shot 5@ 100...group was right at 1", nice and round. I seated the other 5 back 0.10 and shot another 5 these went into .6". MV was 2898 average. Stepped inside the shop and loaded those 10 empties with 43.5grs H4350. five of those went .4 @ 100 with an average velocity of 2922fps. Easy bolt lift, no ejecter mark, nice round primers and pockets are nice and tight as well.

Out to the hills tomorrow for a little long range session.

Looking at JBM and comparing this load to the load I'm running in my 6XC, they are almost exactly the same....6.5 bullets are made to fly through the air!!

You've found it! Congrats.

Kool pistola there Pat!

Dober

Both of those new GAP .260's were the easiest rifles to "shoot in" I've ever had. Those guys put together good stuff...

That sounds great Pat, if you find a better powder than H4350 I'll be surprised.

Those Swift S2's may flay flatter than what JBM indicates. The 6XC is going to be jealous.

I put together this 3 shot group with Swift S2's a couple of days ago out of a 6.5-284 mv 3,150.

That'll work!!

Nice looking rig you got there! Is that an "Edge" stock?

Out the door right now....gotta beat the heat!!

Pat, just came back in for some breakfast, another beautiful morning!
Looks like we dodged another bullet yesterday with the storms going north and east again.


We got a house deal in the works and work should settle down here in another week or two. Once we get caught up hopefully the weather cools off a little(in August probably not but maybe) we'll have to meet up and attack some steel!

Yes it is.

SU35 do you mind sharing the specs on that rifle? Why did you build on short action instead of a long action?

Thanks
Dink

SU, Can't knock a 'one holer 6.5mm' that spits 130s at 3150. Nice rifle you have there.

Like to know bbl specs.

Rem 700 Ti short action with Wyatts box.
Barrel, 25" Lothar Walther #1
Mcmillain compact stock edge tech, Mtn rifle config
COAL is 2.970 seated 0.10 off the lands
284 win brass necked down
Win primer
RS Magnum powder, 61 grains
Feeds and ejects better than anything I own.
This is a true campfire rifle, I bought all components here.

My ES is less than 20, (was 60) due to using a K&M 6.5 expander mandrel to iron out a perfectly centered inside neck (and NO
I don't turn necks). I also removed the
expander off the decap in my full length size die.
I figure the neck tension has improved vastly and had a direct effect on my ES and groups.



Why not? with the Wyatts box it's a done deal. I don't need a long action to make this work. I keep hearing it's not doable but I sure do it.


My apologies to Pat for hijacking his post/thread here.

I look forward to hearing his results. Love those 260's!

Pat-how'd the paw print come to be on the pistola?

Thx
Dober

Thanks su35. Pat won't mind you hijacking the thread he likes very nice rifles also...grin.

Dink

SU, dont worry about any hijacking...its all good intel!

Where I ended up this morning I couldnt shoot real far and had to settle for 450M. They were calling for wind coming hard before mid morning. I had near perfect conditions to shoot and test this 130gr load and wasnt disappointed! Shot these prone from a 6X9 Harris and rear bag. These 5 went right at 2". Mike Rock makes a pretty good barrel.....grin!

Dang! that's good! That does Rock!

I'm curious of your come ups from 100?

Was JBM on or were they sailing flatter?


btw, I'm using that same 10" armor plate.

My zero for that rifle is 180 meters. From there my come up for 450M was 2.0 mils.

They were a bit higher, but it was a little warmer than the temp I ran the chart at. Elevation here is 2500.

I'm really impressed with that bullet so far....looking forward to crushing some big game with it this fall. According to JBM that bullet is still producing 1400+ foot pounds at 450M. Thats quite a bit of power out of such a small package.

You should be able to kill elk at that distance.

you make me want to throw my rifles in the trash.

That too.. You guys suck.

It also kicks a .270's butt shooting 130's at 3100fps....I just compared the two on JBM.

.260, 130 swift S2 @ 2925fps
450M=1418 ft pounds
450M Vel=2217fps

.270, 130gr Accubond @ 3100fps
450M=1345 ft pounds
450M Vel=2159

Whats scary is that 130 Scirocco out of your 6.5/284 @ 3150fps....that might be a future project!!

Ur gonna have to try some of them Scirocco's in your trashy Kimber!

Let's see how those sucky 130 Accubombs work first - I've got some loaded up over RS Hunter right now, some "magic powder" H4831 will be next...

10-4.

Have you been keeping an eye on Sancho while I'm out of town?

Heard that bastard was sniffing around my wife again.
(that night be some intel you DON'T need Pat....grin)

I did see a dude at the range with some rifles that looked a lot like yours..And man he was burnin' those barrels up.

I didn't think too much about it at the time, but hmmmm...

I really want a 260 or 6.5-284 and you guys are not helping that any....grin.

Dink

I guess that's better than seeing them in the pawnshop....(grin)

LOL!!

Well put, RL. I've thought exactly the same thing.

: )

Scenar, Tell us about that Scope. Nice shooting there.

Re: that SSII vs. a 270, now dude you gotta be fair and use a 270 load w/higher BC like a 140 or 150 BT to be fair to the 270 crew

Thanks btw for the specs SU, removes any doubt on L-W bbls, always had a curiosity and wanted to try one. 8 or 9 ROT?

10X42 S&B PMII(fixed 10X) Mildot

with 140 accubonds and 150 BT's in a .270 slight advantage to the .270.....but I could run some numbers for the 139 scenar in .260 to turn the tables back.

Not being harsh, just pointing out the efficiency of a well balanced short case pushing the right bullet...impressive!....to me anyway.

Impressive to me as well.


1/8 ROT on the LW

NICE!

Scenar/SU, I don't have my user name 6.5 for nuttin! LOL.

I DO recognize their efficiency and effectiveness and was ribbing you Scenar.

Nice rifle set up btw. Thanks for info, enjoy that rifle.

Hey what was the end result with your Elk hunt?

IIRC Pat used a 130 S2 to put a grizzly down...

Good thread, thanks to socal for un-earthing it.

Bumping this back from the dead to see if anyone was able to verify BC numbers and had anything new (good or bad) to report on this bullet....Thinking of playing around with it in the 2850-2900 FPS range...

Have been using 130g Sirocco II's for a decade now and love the way they shoot. 6.5-06AI, 3161fps with IMR 7828SSC. HAve never shot paper at 600 but can get about 40-45% hits on clay pigeons at that range, when the xwind cooperates. Interarms Mark X, fluted/heavy Krieger barrel bedded into Boyd laminate stock.

I loaded it last year for my Barrett 6.5 Swede. I'm not satisfied with the load as far as accuracy goes. I"m getting right at an inch or maybe a little under 1 MOA at 2660 FPS. I'm still tinkering with the load, working with different primers and seating depth. The bullet is devastating on game though. I killed 4 hogs and a whitetail with it at ranges from 60 yards to 150. One hog weighed close to 300 pounds and it blew through him like hot butter. I didn't do an autopsy on the pigs, but the heart/lungs of the whitetail were jelly.

I just started working with the 130 Sirocco for my 6.5 PRC. I used Hodgdon's load data for H1000, but never loaded it to the book max. I loaded 57.5/58.0/58.5 grains over a CCI 200 and seated .030 off the lands for a ogive length of 2.277 in my CA Mesa. The load looks promising. I've gone back to that load and seated them .040 off the lands and will test them next weekend if the weather is fair. I've got another test batch using the CCI Br-2 primer at 0.030 off the lands. I haven't chrono'd anything just yet.

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