9.3X62 in a 550 FS - how bad is it? Shooter is about 5'7, 135, and used to rapid-firing x54R out of a M39, even one-handed-shots. Comfortable with around 10 rounds of .30-06 180gr out of a 1903 Carbine (8lbs).
Would 9.3x62 be/feel significantly more than a .30-06? recoil lists show it around 33, vs 18-20 for a .30-06...
Also, as asked in another thread, does a hogback stock direct the recoil straighter into the shoulder or induce more muzzle-lift?
Thank you!
I rate the recoil of the 9.3X62 between a 30-06 and a typical .300mag. The stock on a 550FS may be a little long for someone 5'7" I had mine shortened a bit, I am about 5'10" but I like my stocks a little on the short side. The "Hogback" feels different than a typical American stock but seems to handle the recoil just fine.
I have a 9.3X62 550 FS and am quite recoil sensitive. But I have learned to deal with my 9.3 and actually enjoy shooting it. But before I got the 9.3 I thought my 30-06 was pretty stiff - but now it does not seem as bad as before.
I usually shoot 65 grains of Ramshot Big Game in it behind 285 g. PRVI bullets. (JB suggested load.) They chronograph at just over 2400 fps. Scoped the rifle weighs 8 lbs. 10 oz., with NECG peep sight it weighs about 15 oz. less and I can tell the difference in recoil.
The length of pull with the 1" thick CZ recoil pad was over 14" on my rifle. Even though I'm over 6' tall this was too long and I put on a 0.60" Pachmayr pad. I have not shot it yet with the new pad but the length of pull is now better for me (I did not cut the stock).
To me the recoil seems to raise up more with the hogback stock, but I don't find it any harder to handle than my son's 375 Ruger which has a very straight stock. Even though my rifle has a 20.5" long barrel the blast does not seem bad. I have only shot it with hearing protection on but the 9.3X62 burns much less powder than does a 375 H&H or 375 Ruger.
IMHO if you can handle a 30-06 with 180 g. loads, you should have no problem adapting to the 9.3.
Mine is a 550 FS also. I am a very big guy and the only rifle I ever shot that really bothered me was a .458 Lott and the scope whacked me above the eye. My 9.3 does not bother me a bit. Like CKW said, I think the hogback stock helps with the recoil. The pad on mine is very soft. I could shoot it all day even all hunkered over a bench. I shoot the PRVI 285 gr. factory loads a lot and they are very accurate. They kill big stuff dead too! Plus they are much cheaper than the Norma stuff. My barrel must be slow because I only get about 2,200 fps from these loads. Haven't chronograped my handloads. I think the barrel is only 21" or so as I recall. It has become one of my "go to" rifles.
If the stock is too long, I would suggest getting it cut off and putting a good soft, quality pad on it and I think you will be fine. Hope this helps.
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Red - thanks for the heads up that you made one. VERY informative and helped make a choice. 9.3x62 is an amazing caliber, and for comfort-reasons, and emotional satisfaction, fulfills an awesome Bavarian-style gun, Bavarian-caliber, Eastie-make rifle. However, I dislike muzzle-lift, and am hairline comfy with .30-06. Just feels...unmatched, to my stature and style.
Thank you for all the info, however, t'was much appreciated!
-S
S,
I've got a Weatherby style Fajen stock on my 20" bbl 98 Mauser in 9.3x62. No muzzle lift. If you'd happen to come across one set up this way you may want to give it a try.
No worries! I fired 45 rounds through my rifle today! For me its about like shooting a heavy trap load or slug. You know what surprised me in the recoil dept. was a 300 WSM. I had a Browning stalker and thought it kicked less than a 30-06 in the same rifle.
For a number of years, I shot a 30-06 with 180's doing about 2700; nothing bad but it did only weigh 6 lb 7 oz. After the barrel was shot out, I screwed on a new barrel in 30-06 AI. Now I was pushing the 180's to 3000 fps. The recoil pad, 20+ yrs old, was a bit/alot harder. The recoil was quite "brisant".
IMHO, my 8lb 8 oz 9.3x62 has less recoil than the Ackley; just a big push. A good stock (mine is a Echols Legend) and recoil pad along with the proper weight will make a 9.3x62 quite sedate.
Alan
So yesterday, after I finished competing in the LR portion of a sniper shoot, the rest of the guys run down to a different portion of the range to shoot some carbine and pistol. I decided to opt out and do some LR practice and run a 600 yd primer test on a different rifle. In between 5-shot groups, letting the barrel, I decide to also test the new Leupold CDS elev dial on my 9.3x62 shooting the 250 Accubond @ 2606 fps. The range had numerous 18" steel plates every 50 yds from 200 out to 600 yds along with hanging silhouette steel out to 500 (rams). I run through just over 60 rounds, mostly prone. Recoil didn't bother me a bit. I ran my recoil calc and from my 8 lb 5 oz 9.3x62 it had 35.4 ft lbs of recoil where as my light 30-06 AI with the aforementioned load ran 38.1 ft lbs of recoil.
Alan
I am not a fan of heavy kickers in general, and find my 9.3x62mm has about as much recoil I can comfortably tolerate.
I do find it kicks markedly mark than my .308win, and a friends .270win...
That said, I find the CZ 550 American stock fits me very well and I much prefer it to other Europrean style stocks I've used, feeling the recoil tends to come straight back and not force the stock up and into my face..
I haven't fired one but I can't see how the recoil could be much. Not enough powder to push that big bullet fast enough the generate it.
And bullet weight? What about bullet weight, Swampy?
With that 9,3 you have mostly 286 gr. bullets. Thats 100 gr. more than the 180 in the -06.
The -06 pushes its 180 gr. @ 2700 fps
The 9,3 pushes its 286 gr. q 2400 fps
So - 38% raise in bullet weight, 12 reduction in velocity, mass comparable powder charges, mass comparable rifle -
tell us again, how there will be no difference, when physics tells it different.
It's crawling.....not enough case capicity.....
Shadow - The past recoil shield is your best friend for range work.
No, I think he is genuinely just stupid.....
I haven't fired one but I can't see how the recoil could be much.
It's crawling.....not enough case capicity.....
Most people when they don't have any experience nor the slightest clue about what they are talking about are content to keep their mouths shut. I realize that this would cut down your post count by about 95% but you really should try it.
I think Redbeard308's experience and description is excellent. The 9,3x62 recoils about like a 12guage with stiff loads.
Still shooting 289gr bullets at over 2400fps and 250gr bullets at 2650 using 61 to 63grs of powder and in a 8.5lb rifle does generate recoil in the 30-34ft lbs range. By comparison a 300mag shooting a 180gr bullet at 3000fps is around 25ft/lbs or so. There's more to recoil than just the numbers though, how the stock fits, how good of a recoil pad and other factors contibute to how recoil feels to an individual. To me the 9,3x62 feels heavy but slower in recoil, and the slower makes it a more comfortable to shoot than some of the hot mags...............................dj
http://www.handloads.com/calc/recoil.asp
No, I think he is genuinely just stupid.....
Well, every village needs its idiot...
I haven't fired one but I can't see how the recoil could be much.
It's crawling.....not enough case capicity.....
Most people when they don't have any experience nor the slightest clue about what they are talking about are content to keep their mouths shut. I realize that this would cut down your post count by about 95% but you really should try it.
I think Redbeard308's experience and description is excellent. The 9,3x62 recoils about like a 12guage with stiff loads.
Still shooting 289gr bullets at over 2400fps and 250gr bullets at 2650 using 61 to 63grs of powder and in a 8.5lb rifle does generate recoil in the 30-34ft lbs range. By comparison a 300mag shooting a 180gr bullet at 3000fps is around 25ft/lbs or so. There's more to recoil than just the numbers though, how the stock fits, how good of a recoil pad and other factors contibute to how recoil feels to an individual. To me the 9,3x62 feels heavy but slower in recoil, and the slower makes it a more comfortable to shoot than some of the hot mags...............................dj
http://www.handloads.com/calc/recoil.asp DJ good post.
Swmapnipples, your baseless drivel....it is quite apparent that facts never enter into anything you post.
The 9.3x62 recoils about like a 12guage with stiff loads.
....or in other words it doesn't have enough case capacity to push a heavy bullet fast enough to generate any recoil......
I just like to make a long story short.....
9.3X62 in a 550 FS - how bad is it? Shooter is about 5'7, 135, and used to rapid-firing x54R out of a M39, even one-handed-shots. Comfortable with around 10 rounds of .30-06 180gr out of a 1903 Carbine (8lbs).
Would 9.3x62 be/feel significantly more than a .30-06? recoil lists show it around 33, vs 18-20 for a .30-06...
Also, as asked in another thread, does a hogback stock direct the recoil straighter into the shoulder or induce more muzzle-lift?
Thank you!
Since I actually have exactly the rifle you're asking about...
A little harder than a standard '06 with 180s, but not bad at all. About like an '06 with warmish 220s. If they can manage 10 rounds from an '06 carbine, they'll have no problem with the 550FS in 9.3x62. BT/DT, as my '06 weighs 7.75#, all up.
The weight of the CZ550FS makes the difference.
Very manageable rifle, and the power is impressive.
The 7.62x54R via the M44 is FAR worse.
I have the exact rifle you have mentioned. I shot a 20.5" head black bear with it at 20 yards. The bear spotted me in the tree
stand and started to walk toward the tree, did a bluff charge and kept snapping it's teeth. At 15 yards I shot and dropped him on the spot, 286 grn. bullet. I can guarantee you I didn't feel the recoil at all. My total focus was on Mr. Growling bear. I don't know if he would have climbed my tree but at 15 yards I decided it was time to end the show. Buckfever1
For a proper evaluation of the power level of the 9.3x62, try to avoid listening to folks who haven't any experience with it and are here to do nothing more than lie and troll. Damned shame, too...
Anyway, Norma lists the 9.3x62 pushing a 250 grain bullet at 2625, a 285 grain bullet at 2362-2428 fps, and a 325 grain bullet at 2300. They list the .375H&H pushing a 270 grain bullet at 2625, and a 300 at 2493-2559 fps.
As Phil Shoemaker (who has more first-hand experience with either the 9.3x62 or the .375H&H on LARGE critters than probably anyone else alive) puts it when comparing the two (9.3x62 vs .375H&H):
The main difference that anyone is likely to see between the 9.3x62 and the .375 H&H is the difference in the depth of the rifling lands, ( the bore size of the .375 is .366 or 9.3mm), 15 grains of bullet weight and, depending on the load, maybe 100 fps of velocity. None of them are enough that any animal is likely to notice.