"Boring" may be too harsh a word, but are there any rifles in a mainstream cartridge you consider "ho-hum" and either don't own or own only one just to scratch an itch?
For me, I recently bought my first and only .270 Win and .243 Win, simply because I was interested in the rifle. Not really excited about the cartridge.
.30-06.
It's done it all so often, for so long, there's nothing left to talk about.
Unless it's getting 200 grainers up to 2,700 fps...
FC
30-06 and 308.
Also any cartridge based on these two cases necked UP.
Neck 'em down and they're cool.
Huh? Interesting....
The .270 is my hands down favorite for many reasons and the .358 is another that I use a lot ( on a cow elk last weekend actually ).
The one that leaves me in the cold is the 7mag.....
Huh? Interesting....
The .270 is my hands down favorite for many reasons and the .358 is another that I use a lot ( on a cow elk last weekend actually ).
The one that leaves me in the cold is the 7mag.....
That one too!
Huh? Interesting....
The .270 is my hands down favorite for many reasons and the .358 is another that I use a lot ( on a cow elk last weekend actually ).
The one that leaves me in the cold is the 7mag.....
Then why not a .260 or a .280? What is it that got you started with the .270? BTW, I agree with the 7 mag as well.
What do you mean,you don't like the 7mm RM ?
Shooting game with any cartridge is never boring.
I don't understand the whole "boring" aspect of a cartridge. Maybe it's just because I'm relatively new around here and am not a seasoned rifle looney, but there is nothing boring about dropping a nice buck DRT no matter what you shoot it with! Though, I've never been one to get excited over FPS and BC.
The 260, 7mm-08, 264 Mag, 7 Rem Mag, 30-06, 300 Win Mag, 338 Win Mag, geez there is a slew of 'em.
I don't understand the whole "boring" aspect of a cartridge. Maybe it's just because I'm relatively new around here and am not a seasoned rifle looney, but there is nothing boring about dropping a nice buck DRT no matter what you shoot it with! Though, I've never been one to get excited over FPS and BC.
I think what they mean is they are so easy to get accurate it takes no work. I guess some think that's boring. I don't get bored that easily.
A Camry will get you to where you're going but it is sure a whole lot more fun to drive a Ferrari.
Competent, reliable, and boring.
The 30-06 is the Camry of cartridgedom.
Cartridges are just boiler rooms for pushing bullets....Bullets are what kills game. That said some cartridges are better at it than others.None of them are "cool".Maybe I'm jaundiced but I find it hard to get really excited over any of them.
I approach them backwards...I pick a bullet to hunt with,decide how fast I want to push it,and pick a cartridge that does it easily. This eliminates a lot of drama.
That said the 243 and 308 bore me stiff.
Cartridges are just boiler rooms for pushing bullets....Bullets are what kills game. That said some cartridges are better at it than others.None of them are "cool".Maybe I'm jaundiced but I find it hard to get really excited over any of them.
I approach them backwards...I pick a bullet to hunt with,decide how fast I want to push it,and pick a cartridge that does it easily. This eliminates a lot of drama.
That said the 243 and 308 bore me stiff.
Lets go into this a little deeper. A .308 bores you. What cartridge in it's class doesn't bore you? Then please explain why that cartridge doesn't bore you? How is it different when you shoot it?
Definitely for me, it is the .30-06, with the .270 coming in second, only by a whisker. One is like eating plain grits, the other like a plain bowl of cream of wheat.
C'mon Bob, you know the 7MSM gets your juices flowing.
Definitely for me, it is the .30-06, with the .270 coming in second, only by a whisker. One is like eating plain grits, the other like a plain bowl of cream of wheat.
I love Cream Of Wheat.
MH: What is this.....a therapy session?
Lemme put it this way....in a 6mm I want some speed.The 243 doesn't have what I want.
In 30 caliber, I'd much rather have a 30/06.Or in some instances maybe a 300 magnum of some sort.
In either case,I don't care about short action cartridges. My arms are long enough to work a standard bolt throw.
I totally get this thread. Not a 30/06 or 270 or 308 in my safe and I really cannot remember the last rifles I owned in these calibers that was not gun show trade bait. I am with BobinNH on this to a large degree in that I decide what bullet I want but then I pick the largest case I can fit into the action I want to use as I am a total speed and velocity whore. Thusly, my now remaining rifles (divorce and illness and a daughters wedding kinda cleaned me out of 'extra' guns) are a pre 64 model 70 in 257WBY, a much tweaked 1917 in 340 Tyrannosaur aka 338/8mm RemMag and a much modified CZ 550 in 416 Rigby.
All are fed Barnes TSX, TTSX or Monolithic solids exclusively.
MH: What is this.....a therapy session?
Lemme put it this way....in a 6mm I want some speed.The 243 doesn't have what I want.
In 30 caliber, I'd much rather have a 30/06.Or in some instances maybe a 300 magnum of some sort.
In either case,I don't care about short action cartridges. My arms are long enough to work a standard bolt throw.
I can understand not liking a cartridge for many reasons. There's some that I don't like too. However, I wouldn't use the word boring to describe them.
Can't help you with the arm thingy.
Definitely for me, it is the .30-06, with the .270 coming in second, only by a whisker. One is like eating plain grits, the other like a plain bowl of cream of wheat.
I love Cream Of Wheat.
Yankee.
Grits kick ass!
Damn right i'm a Yankee.
Grits blow chunks.
Here's an example. When I read the history of the Spanish American War I became infatuated with the 7mm Mauser the Spanish used to great effect over the Americans who were using the 45-70 Trapdoor and the 30-40 Krag.
The effectiveness of these new 7mm rifles were soon felt by the U.S. in the Spanish-American War of 1898. Theodore Roosevelt reported on the difficulties of locating the Spanish at Las Guasimas commenting "...as we advanced we were, of course, exposed,...But they themselves were entirely invisible. The jungle covered everything, and not the faintest trace of smoke was to be seen in any direction to indicate from whence the bullets came." The effects of the superior Spanish weapons were again felt at San Juan Hill and El Caney. This experience led to the U.S. development of the 1903 Springfield after being bested on the field of battle by the Model 93.
The Mauser 93 was the basis for the development of the American rifle Springfield M1903, and it was intended to be used by �first line� or regular troops.
It�s surprising how many of our most useful and reliable cartridges started life in the military. Some that quickly come to mind are the .45 Colt, .45 ACP, .308 Win., .223 Rem., and the glorious .30-�06 Sprg. And right in among those, I also have to add another great performer, the 7x57 mm Mauser. The 7x57 mm, although less popular in this country, is an excellent performer featuring good accuracy and moderate recoil.
The cartridge was originally designed by Mauser of Germany in 1892. It is also often referred to as the 7 mm Mauser cartridge, and in the U.K. it is commonly called the .275 Rigby. By whatever name one wants to use, the cartridge originally featured a 175-grain bullet of modern design over enough smokeless powder to drive it to slightly more than 2,300 f.p.s. In the last years of the 19th century, the accuracy and the power of this new Mauser cartridge were widely acknowledged.
The Spanish adopted the Mauser Model 1893 rifle, chambered for the 7x57 mm, for its military. And it was this combination they used against U.S. troops in Cuba during the Spanish-American War. American troops were so impressed with this rifle/cartridge combination that Theodore Roosevelt challenged U.S. military rifle designers to use it as a basis for a new U.S. fighting rifle. Legend has it the Springfield rifle and the .30-�06 Sprg. cartridge were direct results of our study of the 7x57 mm cartridge and the �93 Mauser. So influential were the rifle and cartridge that the U.S. government was forced to pay royalties to Mauser for quite some time. In retrospect, it looks like that was a pretty good trade-off.
Even closer to home, the 7x57 mm cartridge played a huge role in the Mexican Revolution (1911-1920). Mexican federal troops, taking the lead from their Spanish allies, were armed with Mauser rifles chambered for the battle-proven 7x57 mm.
When Francisco Madero gathered the Mexican rebels to his banner, along with Emiliano Zapata, from the state of Morelos, and Francisco Villa, from the state of Chihuahua, the arms available to them were obsolete. Some rebels arrived with Winchester and Marlin lever-actions chambered for blackpowder pistol cartridges. Others showed up with equally antiquated single-shots, like the Remington Rolling Block and the old Sharps buffalo guns. A few had just sixguns, and a number were armed only with machetes.
The rebels� idea was to get into a fight with federal soldiers as quickly as possible and then liberate the Mauser 7x57 mm rifles. As soon as the federal troops could be overcome, the first order of business was to collect all of the rifles and distribute them among those who were fighting for Mexican freedom. Gen. Villa once attacked a train filled with federal soldiers. After the battle, he handed out the liberated Mauser rifles and ammunition to his own troops then ordered the uniforms to be stripped from the dead enemies. He sent the empty uniforms back to the federal lines with this message: �Here are the husks [reusable covers for tamales], send me some more tamales!� And you can bet he hoped that the replacements were carrying more Mauser rifles.
As with other good military cartridges, the 7x57 mm was soon adopted by sportsmen. Rigby, the British firearms company, bought Mauser actions and used them as the basis for hunting rifles that were used the world over. As a marketing ploy, Rigby began to call the new cartridge the .275 Rigby. One of its best customers was a fellow that went by the name of W.D.M.�Karamojo� Bell....
I know what you mean about boring. It seems since I started reloading a few years ago that if I can buy ammo easily at a store in the boonies for it I'm not interested in it. I'm not into forming brass or anything, so I'm not over the top into exotic stuff. Right now my favorite is my 260. 30-06, 308, 270, 243 are not my cup of tea. They obviously work just fine, but something about "different" really interests me in a cartridge, it's nice to have something to talk to other people at the range about.
I don't understand the whole "boring" aspect of a cartridge. Maybe it's just because I'm relatively new around here and am not a seasoned rifle looney, but there is nothing boring about dropping a nice buck DRT no matter what you shoot it with! Though, I've never been one to get excited over FPS and BC.
I think what they mean is they are so easy to get accurate it takes no work. I guess some think that's boring. I don't get bored that easily.
Ah, I wasn't looking at the topic from a load development standpoint. I can definitely see how a proven, tried and true cartridge would be boring to develop. For those of us who simply shoot core-lokts down tubes and bring home meat like our grandfathers did, no cartridge is boring.
I think of it this way. What cartridges are the rifles chambered in that you know kill game as good as the others, but they sit in the safe while the others get trigger time.
For me it's the 270, the 30-06, and the 243.
06,270,30/30,6.5 Rem mag,and the pizz ant 17's
I don't understand the whole "boring" aspect of a cartridge. Maybe it's just because I'm relatively new around here and am not a seasoned rifle looney, but there is nothing boring about dropping a nice buck DRT no matter what you shoot it with! Though, I've never been one to get excited over FPS and BC.
I think what they mean is they are so easy to get accurate it takes no work. I guess some think that's boring. I don't get bored that easily.
Ah, I wasn't looking at the topic from a load development standpoint. I can definitely see how a proven, tried and true cartridge would be boring to develop. For those of us who simply shoot core-lokts down tubes and bring home meat like our grandfathers did, no cartridge is boring.
The post above yours kind of explains what I meant. Those who reload and spend a lot of time at a range want something interesting to talk about.
Guys like us who are more into just the hunting and just want a reliable cartridge that gets the job done. Don't get bored with what we're shooting. Personally, I hate going to a range. I get my gun sighted in, and i'm gone. I'd rather be up in the mountains scouting.
If they don't sell ammo for it in almost any store that sells ammo, it's boring. The only 7mm I'd consider is the 7X57 and I wouldn't own any of the 6.5s.
Discssion over. Swampy has spoken.
If the ammo can't be found in every store that sells ammo. It probably means you have to reload it, which I find extremely boring.
I like to reload ok. I'd rather shoot.
I like to reload ok. I'd rather shoot.
I gave my opinion. It had nothing to do with what you like.
I love to shoot, scout, fly fish etc. Sitting at a bench and doing repetitive things puts me to sleep. I gave up tying flies for the same reason.
I thrieve on old and boring! 375H&H, 30-06, 270, 30-30, 45-70, 45acp, 357 or 44mg yup those are my favorites!
The only mainstream cartridge I really don't like is the 7mm mag. No good reason not to like it other than so many of the "gotta have the latest gizmo" "buckmark on the back of their truck window" and so on type guys seem to carry the 7mm mag more than anything else. Its a heck of a cartridge, just not my style.
If they don't sell ammo for it in almost any store that sells ammo, it's boring. The only 7mm I'd consider is the 7X57 and I wouldn't own any of the 6.5s.
If they sell ammo for it at every store I'll likely find it boring.
Heck, I don't shoot factory ammo anyway other than to establish a baseline.
Give me the wildcats.
If they don't sell ammo for it in almost any store that sells ammo, it's boring. The only 7mm I'd consider is the 7X57 and I wouldn't own any of the 6.5s.
I too like the 7x57 because of it's foreign military back ground. So too, the 6.5x55 Swede. Their use in Africa, back in the day, adds mystique to the equation as well.
Proven, "classic" cartridges, interest me. If it's a WSM/Pizzum/Who Dat, probably not. So am full up on 22LR, 6.5x55, 7x57, 300SAV, and .30-06 right now.
Have more of a hangup with historically lever-action or semi-auto cartridges put in bolt actions or Encores/etc. Not saying no one should, and if a shorter bolt action excites you, so be it. Just strikes me as a chicken with teets.
Might break down for a CZ 527 M1 American .223 someday, though.
So what is the trick to getting Safariman and BobinNH interested in an 8mm bullet? I am curious to know the boiler room they will choose... that 200 grain partition is really cool... ditto the 200 and 220 grain A-frames...
If the ammo can't be found in every store that sells ammo. It probably means you have to reload it, which I find extremely boring.
I'm on the same page with you there. The critters I hunt aren't going to know or care what I killed them with and sure aren't going to be more impressed because I loaded the cartridges myself rather than buying them at Wally world. I like to hunt and shoot but find loading ammo about as entertaining as watching paint dry.
So what is the trick to getting Safariman and BobinNH interested in an 8mm bullet? I am curious to know the boiler room they will choose... that 200 grain partition is really cool... ditto the 200 and 220 grain A-frames...
Make it go 4,000 fps and I am all over it...
Actually, I always thought of the 8mm/06 in a slightly sporterized M-98 as being a pretty cool poor mans 338WinMag.
I guess, for me, I like the bullet selection and larger diameter of the 338 a little mo betta. That, and I now have a lot of history and bloodletting with my 340Tyrannosaur wldcat.
I really think that Remington screwed up with thier puny loadings for the 8mm RemMag and Craig Boddington who is a fan of the round agrees. Don't know what they were thinking or smoking, but they really emasculated it. And, they had 7828 to play with which really sings in my 8mm RemMAg necked up slightly to 338! Sigh.... it could have and should have been so much more, and vastly more popular if loaded to its full potential form the guys in green.
Well,
I don't think any of mine are Boring cartridges
but
I guess the ones I don't have are, cause if they were not I would have one.
Sounds right.
With the exception of
458 Lott
375 Ruger
358 STA
358 Norma
Cause I would like one of those
The .308 Win is the King of boring. It does almost everything as well, or better, than anything else...with little fanfare.
"Boring" may be too harsh a word, but are there any rifles in a mainstream cartridge you consider "ho-hum" and either don't own or own only one just to scratch an itch?
For me, I recently bought my first and only .270 Win and .243 Win, simply because I was interested in the rifle. Not really excited about the cartridge.
Boring cartridges to me are the ones I use the most. Ones that I use so much and for so many things that I am comfortable with them. When I take one out I don't have to wonderhow it will work for the purpose at hand. I can just use it.
The .22 Magnum, .30-06 and .338 Win Mag are the ones for me.
The .243 and .308 have both been used enough but I have found them to be somewhat unsatisfactory for some uses.
A Camry will get you to where you're going but it is sure a whole lot more fun to drive a Ferrari.
Competent, reliable, and boring.
The 30-06 is the Camry of cartridgedom.
NO, it is the .308 Win!!!!
I don't know if boring is the right word, but I've never liked the 7 RM and (particularly) the .270. So, naturally, I have two 7 RMs and four, count 'em, FOUR, .270s. I swear two were bought for donors!
The B-29 bores me so much I fall asleep when hearing its name. It's been flipping big game animals on their backs and field-dressing them for so many years, at such long ranges, that there's no challenge to hunting it with anymore.
There are no boring cartridges, only boring people...
A Camry will get you to where you're going but it is sure a whole lot more fun to drive a Ferrari.
Competent, reliable, and boring.
The 30-06 is the Camry of cartridgedom.
The 7x57 must be the Edsel.
You'll smoke a turd in hell for that...
You'll smoke a turd in hell for that...
Hey, the Edsel was a well built car, it was just ahead of its time and not accepted by many. Now collectors are looking for them.
Nice try at a good save....
Actually if you are as old as me, you might remember the Edsel was put together after polling the public on what they liked best in an automobile...then they tried to incorporate all those features into an Edsel....give the publuic what they want, and see what happens...
Sounds about right. People don't know what they want.
As far as the 7x57 goes, in the thread about 175 gr. 7mm and 200 gr. 30-06, JB said that the '06 is a much better killer.
As far as the 7x57 goes, in the thread about 175 gr. 7mm and 200 gr. 30-06, JB said that the '06 is a much better killer.
Ahhhhhh...what does he know anyway...?...
Sounds about right. People don't know what they want.
As far as the 7x57 goes, in the thread about 175 gr. 7mm and 200 gr. 30-06, JB said that the '06 is a much better killer.
I agree with JB.
243 Win; won't do anything that a Roberts can't do better, and any of the magnums......never had the need.
Thank the Lord we live in a country that gives us these choices.
The .308 Win is the King of boring. It does almost everything as well, or better, than anything else...with little fanfare.
Oh man......I agree it's common....but I gotta' disagree with you on the boring part. For some reason, I love the .308. I love it in tactical longer range rifles and I love it in my GAP non-typical hunter. 150 TSX and 178 AMAX kinda makes it fun.....at least for me.
For me it is the .223 and the .243. The are the last guns that I take out to shoot. I guess I tend to like the bigger stuff. The old and outdated 30.30 and 30.06 do it for me, although my .270 WSM is catching up fast.
I don't know if boring is the right word, but I've never liked the 7 RM and (particularly) the .270. So, naturally, I have two 7 RMs and four, count 'em, FOUR, .270s. I swear two were bought for donors!
Hey there "new best friend"....
You can donate a couple of those boring ole .270's to me!
BH: Just plumb tickled to see that you have standard length arms!
Laffin!
A Camry will get you to where you're going but it is sure a whole lot more fun to drive a Ferrari.
Competent, reliable, and boring.
The 30-06 is the Camry of cartridgedom.
The 7x57 must be the Edsel.
That was mean!!
I'd rather be "gay" than "boring" - and own the "gay" calibre....
Gus
Love the sig line...
I don't know if boring is the right word, but I've never liked the 7 RM and (particularly) the .270. So, naturally, I have two 7 RMs and four, count 'em, FOUR, .270s. I swear two were bought for donors!
Hey there "new best friend"....
You can donate a couple of those boring ole .270's to me!
BH: Just plumb tickled to see that you have standard length arms!
Laffin!
Sorry, man! One's going in for a Benchmark .264 tube fairly soon, another is getting a .338 tube further down the road, one's a family heirloom 725 Remington, and the last is a Ti (and probably will end up with a .284 barrel).
The 'donor' story is just a cover-up for a closet .270 freak.....
boring = tried, true and proven......nope never work LOL
The 'donor' story is just a cover-up for a closet .270 freak.....
Thems fightin' words, old man... there's a fresh steaming one waiting for you to smoke...
Sounds about right. People don't know what they want.
As far as the 7x57 goes, in the thread about 175 gr. 7mm and 200 gr. 30-06, JB said that the '06 is a much better killer.
I agree with JB.
You should PM him. I'm sure he's been on pins and needles waiting for your endorsement.
I've owned 3 or 4 .270's for some reason or other but have never shot one and don't really have a desire to?
I was bored to tears with my tried and true cooper 270. Then I added turrets and hand rolled 140 gr VLD's and started walking that old dog out to 800.
ANY and ALL American metric cartridges bore me to tears...
(I mean, seriously - 6mm Rem, 7mm and 8mm Rem. Mags = BORING!!)
European metric cartridges on the other hand...
(6x62 Freres, 7x64 Brenneke, 8x68S = uber-COOL, right?)
308, 30-06, 300 win...definitely not a 30 cal fan :-)
There are no boring cartridges, but lots of boring people.
308 win. I bought them (3 to date) with high hopes but they kind of let me down. So its back to the good ol 30-06. You ask why? Because they arn't any more "inherently accurate" than the ol 06, they arn't as fast like some seem to think and they kick almost as much...... Pretty [bleep] boring to say the least...
308 based cartridges are a bore IMHO. 257 Roberts, 7X57, 270 Winchester, 30/06, 300 H&H, 8X57, 35 Whelen, 375 Ruger and 375 H&H are where its at. With the exception of the Ruger, the bases have been covered for a long time. The rest is just fluff.
The 'donor' story is just a cover-up for a closet .270 freak.....
Thems fightin' words, old man... there's a fresh steaming one waiting for you to smoke...
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So what is the trick to getting Safariman and BobinNH interested in an 8mm bullet? I am curious to know the boiler room they will choose... that 200 grain partition is really cool... ditto the 200 and 220 grain A-frames...
Dogger I never had an 8mm myself....but my old elk hunting pal from Amarillo has a pair of 8mm Rem Mags that he has hunted with here and in Africa....seen it work on elk down in the southwest with him.He uses the 200 Partition mostly at about 3000+ fps...also some weight of TBBC...I have told him (and he agrees)it's just like a 300 Weatherby...
To boring cartridges: Though I've never owned one, it'd have to be the 7mm-08.... its out ran by the. 284 Winchester another short action. The 7x57 outclasses it with the same bullet selection and the. 270 Winchester is both faster and more classy.
BobinNH, that comparison - the 8RM is just like a 300Wby - is probably as much reason the 8RM doesn't sell as any other reason.
Why pay the recoil tariff in the 8RM when you can pay it in the Weatherby and have better long range ballistics with higher BC 30 cal bullets?? And why pay the tariff in either of those rifles if not for the benefits they provide at longer ranges?? But you can have the long range performance and pay an even smaller tariff if you run the 175 in the Mashburn!!!
Dang, there I am back to the Mashburn.
being a handloader, I don't find any rifle cartridge boring.. especially as I like to see what it will do, both loaded down and loaded up...
I can find certain rifles boring.... like a Rem 770 or a Savage Edge...or the newer Tikkas...
but not a cartridge.... some I don't get fired up to work with, like the WSMs.. or Rem Short Ultra Mag...those struck me as dopey and trying to reinvent the wheel...same with the WSSM...
of course for a while, around people who were in love with them, I was shooting a "Winchester 6mm Medium Short Magnum"...
of which they wanted all sorts of info on it, especially since they never heard of it...I'd describe it to them, case capacity, MV potential etc.... and they'd say, that sounds pretty cool...
then I'd show them the case, a 243....
I always considered the 308 to be a seriously boring round until we fell heir to a BSA Majestic. A delightful little rifle and a joy to carry. It made the 308 interesting.
I've no love for the 7mm RM and have never found a rifle that sparks my interest in the round. Came close at the last gun show when I found a Mauser 3000 left handed in 7mm RM. Had it been another chambering I would have it in my safe.
I find it difficult to class the 30-06 as boring considering it's long and illustrious history. The fact that it spawned such truly interesting rounds such as the 35, 38 and 400 Whelen only adds to it's interest and charm.
I have always found the 243 to be, well, ho hum. That is till I ran onto a Ruger 1A with spectacular wood. Then the 243 didn't seem quite so dull. I fortunately didn't have the money for it so the interest faded and I don't have a beautiful 1A handicapped by a dreary chambering. Whew, dodged that one.
Most magnums are boring unless magnum is preceded by H&H, Norma or 458 Winchester. I might even concede to allow 264 Winchester, 224 Weatherby and 240 Weatherby into that elite group but would be hard pressed to add any other magnums to that circle.
Any chambering that ends in x57, Nitro Express, Westley Richards or Jeffery is interesting. Anything that ends in WSM or WSSM is not.
Any pre-WWII custom rifle is automatically elevated to interesting regardless of the chambering.
Mart
BobinNH, that comparison - the 8RM is just like a 300Wby - is probably as much reason the 8RM doesn't sell as any other reason.
Why pay the recoil tariff in the 8RM when you can pay it in the Weatherby and have better long range ballistics with higher BC 30 cal bullets?? And why pay the tariff in either of those rifles if not for the benefits they provide at longer ranges?? But you can have the long range performance and pay an even smaller tariff if you run the 175 in the Mashburn!!!
Dang, there I am back to the Mashburn.
The logic is almost irrefutable.....
Gee's and here I think that the 7mm RM is just about perfect for the big game hunting that we do here in North America and for most of the rest of the world to boot. Different strokes I guess. I never had a love for the 308, my uncle use to shoot one, he was not the most pleasant fellow on a hunt. Maybe that the reason. Of course I would hunt with one if its the only thing I had. I find the 7mm RM to just fit my current needs very very well, then again I am looking for a 30-30 so what dose that say about me?
There appears to be a strong association between boring and utility. I love boring cartridges. My $0.02 is the 308 is simultaneously the cartridge i have found most useful and the most boring cartridge i have ever used.
I agree, and this thread is boring.
The cartridges that are boring to me are the ones I've used enough and reloaded enough to have a pretty good handle on.
There are plenty of others that I don't know so well, they need more of my time and attention!
I like the process and the project or shaking out a different rifle and or cartridge.
If all i wanted was a useful tool for the job of hunting I would have the kept the first center-fire rifles I owned, 308, .223, .30-06, .270win....... useful but boring
Lately I'm playing with 30BR, 260rem, 6.5Creedmoor.
6 months from now, who knows?
Boring cartridges I've owned: 303 British; 30-06; 270 Win; 6.5 X 55; 223 Rem; 7mm Rem Mag; 338 Win Mag; 350 Rem Mag; 375 H&H.
Cartridges I've owned rifles for that were NOT boring to me, but no longer in my cabinet: 25-06 Rem; 7-08 Rem; 7mm WBY Mag; 308 Norma; 300 Win Mag; 300 WBY; 340 WBY; 35 Whelen and 44 Rem Mag.
Rifles for cartridges for big game that I'd keep (and have kept): anything in .458", including the 45-70, and now 9.3 X 62 as my medium.
Cartridges that interest me: several of the Weatherby series starting with the .340 and including the .375 and .460. Also the .375 RUM, the 375 Ruger and 416 Ruger.
Cartridges that I'd NEVER own would be anything over .458". Just no interest.
Bob
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Boring cartridges I've owned: 303 British; 30-06; 270 Win; 6.5 X 55; 223 Rem; 7mm Rem Mag; 338 Win Mag; 350 Rem Mag; 375 H&H.
Cartridges I've owned rifles for that were NOT boring to me, but no longer in my cabinet: 25-06 Rem; 7-08 Rem; 7mm WBY Mag; 308 Norma; 300 Win Mag; 300 WBY; 340 WBY; 35 Whelen and 44 Rem Mag.
Rifles for cartridges for big game that I'd keep (and have kept): anything in .458", including the 45-70, and now 9.3 X 62 as my medium.
Cartridges that interest me: several of the Weatherby series starting with the .340 and including the .375 and .460. Also the .375 RUM, the 375 Ruger and 416 Ruger.
Cartridges that I'd NEVER own would be anything over .458". Just no interest.
Bob
www.bigbores.ca Based on a reading of your post you are somewhat of a "big bore" only kind of guy, right? Wondering what caused you to shift in that direction. I'm thinking of going smaller myself.
I feel asleep loading for my 30-06 one night....
How can any rifle/cartridge that shoots little bitty groups and kills stuff with dispatch be considered boring.
I like to iron out the wrinkles in a new rifle or cartridge as well as anyone but knowing that you have a tried and true waiting in the wings is a confidense builder.
There appears to be a strong association between boring and utility. I love boring cartridges. My $0.02 is the 308 is simultaneously the cartridge i have found most useful and the most boring cartridge i have ever used.
Exactly why it wasn't on my short list.
Boring cartridges rock. Boring=easy, yeah?
I got it!
Boring = Just plain works with no fuss.
Not Boring = Takes more work to get it to work. So, less boring. (to some)
I'll take the boring .270, and concentrate on the hunt.
Boringly reliable - highest praise for rifles, handguns, bullets.
Three that have always left me cold are:
243 Win
270 WCF
7 RM
but I think that the .223 Rem, .308 Win, and 30-06 are pretty boring, too.
I've just built my first .243 Win after loading for one and finding it an easy cartridge to work with, and I have a .223 & a couple of '06s, and intend to one day have a .308 Win.
I guess I like boring cartridges...
I get more bored from hearing the local idiots praise their Super Brontosaurus Magunums on their latest blacktail hunt where they blew a doe's guts all over the place and find her bled out after tracking her through three counties.
I also get bored of people nitpicking the slightest differences between cartridge A and cartridge B.
what Mauser Hunter said. My 270 is boring because it always...and I mean always...produces. Long range, 519 on an elk, or a 260 yd running shot....get the freezer door open.
Nothing boring about fresh tenderloin.
I think we need longer hunting seasons, so we won't get bored.
I also get bored of people nitpicking the slightest differences between cartridge A and cartridge B.
That bores the hell out of me too. Along with discussions of cartridges that contain the words, "cool factor", "panache" etc.. Sheesh.
I also get bored of people nitpicking the slightest differences between cartridge A and cartridge B.
That bores the hell out of me too. Along with discussions of cartridges that contain the words, "cool factor", "panache" etc.. Sheesh.
I'll go a step further and clarify: I won't get bored of the nitpicking if the person actually goes out and buys the rifle/cartridge combo in question. A lot of nitpicking goes for nothing.