Which one do you guys prefer as a general all around cartridge? Anything from antelope to elk.

Anything but a .270!

The 7-08 is inferior to the 270 in all regards , as the 270 is not as nearly as good of a choice as the 7-08 would be.

Duh...+1

LOL oh boy forgot about the 270 haters.

ever thought of running for public office?..politics might be your calling

There isn't much difference between the two...a couple hundred fps at most...hey, wait, that's about the same diff between a 280 and a 280AI, and we all know how much gooder the 280AI is than the 280...

What? If the 7-08 is inferior to the .270, how is a better choice than the .270?

Most don't hate the .270...it's just that the cartridge is boring because there is not much it can't do in the game fields of North America.

I've used both a lot but i'll put my hand up for the 7mm-08. I hunted exclusively with the 7mm for about a decade, and it was a good decade! I just can't see that the difference is great enough to justify going from short action to long action. So it is really just that i am one of the few folks who prefers short actions, rather than anything to do with ballistics. 270 is defintitely a much better option if you don't handload. My handloading skills and patience are minimal (i'm one of the guys who will essentially only work up a single load per rifle), and sometimes the lack of options in factory 7mm-08 ammunition annoyed me - especially as my rifle seemed to prefer 120 to 140 grain pills.

But i'm a young'n and these imperial measures confuse me!

.270 is so boringly efficient that even P. O. Ackley couldn't improve it that much. Who wants a round like that...

And it runs at 60K pressure without a burp, no pressure spikes, no "governor" on the "carburetor" to keep it from coming apart.

Like the Energizer Bunny, it just keeps on keeping on.

Because of the above reasons, I don't shoot one, don't like them...

I like rounds that need to be worked on and messed with to do well...

But I'm not normal. I'm a Loony...

For everything else, there's MasterCard...

DF

270. Only gotten better with time. Most are easy to get along with as they tend to Not be finicky about bullets or loads.

After owning a 243 for 4 yrs. i'm starting to like short actions also,even though i really don't think there's any distinct advantage from one to the other. Going from an 30-06 to a 243 i like the lighter recoil.

I'm going to start reloading in the very near future so that eliminates the ammo availibility issue.I've got quite a bit of 243 brass so all i need to do is to learn how to resize it.I was in cabelas in PA. over the weekend and they had a good selection of factory ammo in 7mm08.

Look at the available bullets in .284 vs. .277 and you will have your answer. Hint. Thank me later. (Sorry, I couldn't help myself)

Not a valid reason to pick the .270 over the 7-08. you can be talking about the 7-08 with a statement like that.

Yup,no doubt much better selection in 7mm but does the 277 give you all you'll ever need ?

Yep, the 7mm-08 is the lazy handloaders dream - everything works in it pretty well!

I use both, and have come to love the 7-08 as a best all around and dont use 270 or -06 like I used to,or much else any more unless it is really little or really big! I do handload, so I can make the 7-08 all itcan be. This round in my very accurate Kimber is hard not to reach for. I have been using the 7-08 for aboutfive years now and use it more every year. Prior to that my best all around for years was -06,so that tells you a lot.

270 Win rules

Ozarks,

How's the recoil on the 7mm08 compared to the 270 ? Alot less,a little less,about the same ?

I load a max of 45.0 grains of varget under a 120 gr NBT for my son. He has been using that since he was 9 years old. He is 14 now, and has killed about 15 deer and a number of hogs with his rifle. Recoil? It's been a while since I had a .270, but i do believe it feels less with the 7-08.

Either way, recoil is a non-issue, and does not play into the equation with either chambering.

My brother and i would often use a 270 and 7mm-08 side-by-side, and they were nearly exactly the same weight. There was a significant step up in recoil and blast with the 270. It is enough that you can notice it. From memory i think the difference is something like 30% more from the 270.

Ok thanks Sako

Recoil is not bad at all and my kimber montana is very light compared to my rem700 with 24" barrel. I shoot all bullet weights, but majority in the 139-154 gr range.

Years ago, before I ever had a 7-08, I got my son a 243 for his first deer rifle, for recoil reasons and loaded it light at first for practice. Knowing what I know now, I would have gotten him a 7-08 vs 243.
He has killed groundhogs, crows, armorediloos and whitetails with the 243, but went -06 for elk. He likes one rifle, nota looney like dad, and 7-08 would have done it all for him.

100 percent agree with sako. Parallels my experience.

The 270win is a fine cartridge. The problem is most available 0.277 dia bullets have ballistic coefficients that suck. Why I haven't a clue but it's a fact.

Except the 7x57 ... that is about the only cartridge I would opt for the .270Win over.

I used both, and could tell no difference between the two. The bullet selection goes to 7mm.

But, I think it is a law or something that everyone has to own a .270.

KC

The 270 is the bigger engine, period.

Oooh, that stings...

Ingwe surely flinched with that one...

DF

The Federal Ammo site lists a 7-08 factory loaded 140gr Nosler Partition with a 2800 mv.

Lists the 270win 150gr Nosler Partition at 2830 and the 140 Accubond at 2950.

I use & love both the 270 & the 7-08, having 4 270's & 3 7-08s (I am trying to get help for the addiction). It is apples & oranges in one sense. Both are accurate in the right rifle or handgun, and reach out to all practical ranges. For really big game, I would probably use a bigger round. But for 90% of all of hunting, one or the other is perfect.

Maybe it comes down to the gun itself - what gun fits you well in either caliber could almost be a better determinate.

By the way, 2 of my 4 sons run a 270 as their main rifle, but have not warmed to a 7-08, even though they were brought up shooting both. Why...? Who knows.....

270.

Smart kids....

+2!!!

It's a fairly simple matter to get 2,850 to 2,900 with a 150 in the 270.

A 7-08 will run a 150 around 2,700-2750.

[quote=7mmStwer]I use & love both the 270 & the 7-08, having 4 270's & 3 7-08s (I am trying to get help for the addiction). quote]


doooood ..... That's crazy .... I hope you find a cure for your addiction (but secretly hope one doesn't exist!! )

Easily......

If you're going to start reloading, then it should be a choice between the 280 and the 7mm-08. And if that were the choice, I think it just comes down to whether you prefer short actions or long actions. The Kimber Montana in 280AI would be my hands down choice if I wanted a 7mm and was a reloader.

You can crowd a 7mm Rem Mag with the .280AI and it's probably a better ctg. design, over all, although I don't own one and do shoot a 7RM. The .280AI isn't one of the "pressure spike" SAAMI sisters and should be able to run at full throttle (like a .270)...

DF

Uh... no not hardly!

Very few questions in North America that the 270 is not a great answer for!


7mmstwer.... You and I are in the same boat. I have 3 7mm-08s and 4 270's. I dont have a clue why I have so many... but I am very fond of both rounds...obviously! LoL

WTF......

I have both, although my 7-08 is a 7x51 improved. No observable difference in performance. If I could only choose one of them it would be the .270 simply because I like the rifles I have in that caliber better than the rifle that is chambered for the 7x51 improved.

What we really need is a 25-08 and a 27-08 just so we have a whole bunch more to argue about. Ya see, I always liked the .270 Win. but I also liked efficient short cases for reloading. We need both. If not the .270 Win. wins. I get cases for 5 bucks a hundred. Don't need any bigger bullet than 130 gr. for most game. We are shooting elk with .243 Win. and deer and hogs with .223 Rem.

Hey, that's something our wifes don't need to see. I've got mine convinced I need a 375 for elk this year.....

Big time, they'll do well...

.270 vs anything?


anything loses!

x2�..nuff said

Yep!

That's what I thought he said....

NO .270 = TARDED -N- GAY

Just a thought... if both are set with a 200 yd. Zero, the 7mm-08 drops 1.5"more than the 270. That's a long shot for me. At 400 yds. The difference is only 4". Under field conditions I doubt most can tell the difference.

7mm-08 = stubby little .270 wannabe.

Duh......

7mickey mouse-08

I have both and I prefer the 270 Win,don't know why but I do.

The 130g Trophy Tip {P270TT4}has a muzzle velocity of 3200 fps,check out the energy it delivers. It beats the 150g Partition!

The Kimber 84M in 7mm08 wouldn't suck either!!

According to the recoil charts {which i don't hold alot of faith in} there's about 4lbs. more recoil with the 270.

Limited experience here but I was stunned by it anyway. One day two 270's shooting out of two boxes of 130 gr. bullets. Both averaged a hair over 2700 fps. Two .308's shooting out of two boxes of 150 gr. bullets. Both averaged over 2800 fps. This over the same chronograph with alternating shooters. All of these were factory loads and none were my rifles or bullets. Muzzle blast was a lot worse with the 270's. miles

Got one, mine sucks donkey balls.

They both work.

270 has larger case capacity, hence should get more velocity. Larger bullet selection in 7mm, but...I have yet to hear a 270 shooter, any 270 shooter, complain that the 270 either wasn't powerful enough to get the job done or that he didn't have an adequate 270 bullet available to do the job. 270 130 gr. and 150 gr. partitions and ballistic tips and go huntin'.

By the same token, there are a lot of very happy 7mm-08 shooters out there, and a lot of them are saying that they dropped down to a 7mm-08 from an '06 or 270 or something larger than the 7mm-08 and are killing things just as dead and are just as happy.

270 ammo is prolly available more places than 7mm-08 ammo, if you're not a handloader.

Recoil is less in a 7mm-08. I zeroed my father's Model 7 in 7mm-08 once and thought the recoil was not very much at all.

The correct answer is to get one of each. The 7mm-08 is a lot of fun, and there really is a law that everyone must own (at least) one 270.

(I don't own a 270, mind you, but I do own a 280, which is superior in all regards, , and I entertain myself with that until I eventually get a 270, just so I can experience for myself how superior it is to the anemic 7x57. )

+1

Flip a coin, get a good rifle that fits w/good glass, pick one good load/bullet - learn it, use it and keep your knife sharp!

OH - I use a 6.5-08.....have run the other 2 w/equal success.

The solution to this is easy....Federal 270 130 blue box does 3106 from my rifle;3060-3090 from others.

Or stick in 61 gr of H4831 or 60.5 of RL 22 with a 130. Problem solved.

I got a '11 Z71 Chevy several months ago. My good buds thought I should have gotten an F-150. My reply was that driving an F-150 would have gone to my head, that I needed to drive the Chevy just to stay humble...

Maybe you can just "drive" that ole .280 until you can get a .270, shooting the .280 just to maintain your humility...

Just an idea...

DF

Too funny! LOL!

The 7-08 is everything the .270 wisht it were. Light, compact, nimble, and devistatingly effective. The .270 is okay but if JOC hadn't been paid big bucks to tout it, it'd be just another obscure 30-06 derivitive. The 7-08 made it on its own by performance without a "champion" bragging it up.

Why??

The reason they make so many 7mm bullets compared to .277 bullets is that they are still trying to find a 7mm bullet that works...

The Champion has been gone since 1976....the carping and sniping has continued unabated since then.

It still out sells and out kills(numerically)all the competition,not only here, but internationally as well.They are still choking on its' dust....It's what all the others want to be but never could...an American Classic....like Terry Wieland says,the Huckleberry Finn of American high velocity cartridges.An icon.....

Snipe on boys! Ya can't kill it!

7/08.....Geeeshhh

LMAO!

DF,

That's pretty funny, right there!!

If I was wanting to 'drive' something to stay humble till I got a 270 I'd be driving a 7x57.

They all will get it done. 7x57, 270, 280, '06, 7-08. I am actually thinking about getting a 270 one of these days. Not because I need one, but 'just cuz'. I wouldn't wanna be un-American or nothin'.

Nonsense!! 'Stillbeeman' is the 7-08's Champion, and a fine one he is, too!!

OOOfff!

KC

Guilty!

Is this a joke? A 7mm08 is 10x the gun a 270 has no good use to me when you are better off with a 30-06.

This thread was made to provoke this talk. Not that I care. By the way, 25-08 vs 27-08??? What one would be better?

Now, that's like Chevrolet, motherhood and apple pie...

DF

7 what.... LOL...... 270 this month

kbruce, tell me more! I can't wait!You have used all three to take a lot of game,huh?

Equal opportunity.

I have a 7RM, the .270 is just too boringly efficient for me...

DF

7mm-08 for me all the way. No doubt the 270 has a bigger engine and can push a 150 faster. There is a noticable jump in recoil and blast with that bigger engine. If you need it, and feel more comfortable with it, rock on. Personally, I'm pretty comfortable with the 7-08. Gets it done for our family.
bludog

That's the bottom line, what works for you and yours.

I had a 7-08, a 700C. Beautiful gun, shot great, but I traded it for something I thought I needed more. I haven't replaced it with another, but it's not like I don't have a safe full of equivalent firepower.

DF

A 26-08

Hey blu,

Don't you have a 7-08AI? What kind of velocity difference you see vs the standard, 100 fps?

Guessing 50-75 at same pressure in 22-24"

I really like both, but I've got to give the edge to the 7mm-08.

To me, the 7-08 performs a lot closer to 270 levels than the significantly milder recoil and muzzle blast says it should, and the bullet options help make up even more ground in favor of the little 7.

I tend to shoot pretty light rifles, and while a 270 isn't at all unpleasant to shoot, there's something about the increased muzzle blast and recoil levels in 270/280 vs something in the 25-06/7mm-08 ballpark that seems pretty noticeable to me.

With the bullets & powders we can run today, I just really enjoy a 7-08 and have had stellar performance - absolutely without exception - out of the ones I own.

DJ

This post is entirely too rational for this place......

I better shut it down for the evening before I get my "rifle looney" card revoked!

Grin...

DJ

this came up a few years ago and I remember doing the research and found only a couple more bullets available in 284 as compared to 277 between 120 and 160 grs.

It may be somewhat different today but if someone wants to do the research I think you'd be surprised.

I think Rembo may be right...or getting there....the only difference is that 7mm's have always had faster twists than 270, due to military heritage and long, heavy bullets.Most 270's have 10 twists,because that's how it started out (unless you built a barrel with a faster twist).

Berger and Matrix(?)are now making high BC bullets in 270. The 7mm bullet advantage is old news, maybe no longer applies....not that it ever really did for years anyway.There isn't a dimes worth of difference in anything up to 150 gr or so between the two calibers.The real 7mm advantage starts at about 160 gr.

[Hey blu,

Don't you have a 7-08AI? What kind of velocity difference you see vs the standard, 100 fps?[/quote]

Yes, my wife shoots a 7-08ai. If you really wanted to hotrod it, you could get 100+ fps additional. I have found that it is very comfortable with a 50 fps gain. Hers has a 24" fluted barrel and shoots 120 gr TTSX around 3180 fps with 49.0 gr 2000MR. I loaded a 140 TSX at about 2940 fps for her elk hunt in 2009 which worked great at 318 yards. Both of these loads were a couple grains below any pressure signs which in this gun was a slightly cratered primer. Great, fun cartridge, not quite a 284 win/280 rem but just enough more than a standard 7-08 to make it noticable.
bludog