Why the hell do people us 223 for Deer its STUPID. Why let the animal suffer if bad shot placement.

That lasted a while!

Maser, is that you?

I can't stand other people's kids.

(except for a very short list)

it's like Rick put up a banner on MySpace....

Anyone see any bears yet? I'm hoping to start a job up in the mountains pretty soon here. It'll give me a good base to do some morning and evening hunts..

Ive heard rumors, and the low country is starting to gree up...

You Montanans (Montanites?) think you're sooooo cool with your spring bear season.....

Y'all suck!

FWIW, we had an extremely mild winter and I had several pics in mid-January as well as tracks most of the winter on the family land.

George

You'd think it was June looking at the Bridgers from town.. Not quite green yet, but the snow is looking pretty thin.

Shut up

Sorry George......

I just spent two days sucking on the killing fields of northern MT. with a couple varmint rifles....

pics:




And of course..a Prairie Tailgate Party

Antelope sausage, swiss cheese, Belgian White.....

Guy I work with says they've seen a couple bears out down at their ranch..

Sweetgrass hills in the background...

Nice! I've smoked 10 gophers out of my yard with the bow..

The survivors are getting smart, though..

That's a gentlemanly chapeau..

The only "killing fields" that I can lay claim to at this point are the 7 porkys and 2 'coons that have met their end in my yard.

The 'yotes are gonna pay hell, though, when I can wrangle a couple days off.

George

I HATE that fuggin hat...thats my pard....Id have to be dead or in a Volvo in Bozeman to wear a hat like that...

Our shooting was slow this trip George, two of us went through 500 rounds of centerfire...which would make a really good morning, but not spread out over two days..
But the weather was nice, and there were enough targetys to keep a guy interested...

That hat is total Range Rover..

.....and good food/drink, apparently!

Saturday might be a nice snow gopher day around here..

Dats whaty I'm hearing...but it could also make bear activity easier to home in on....

I killed one little bastid with my bow after missing a few shots, good shooting, Rancho!

I saw a couple wandering down mainstreet at 2AM this morning. Color phase and a solid, pelts looked a little rough though.


Tom, looks like a good tailgate party!

Pics?

Without pics, it didn't happen...

Just sayin'....

All but one were 20 yard shots.. One at 30. It's [bleep] windy over here at the new rancho..

I'm looking at those hills right now, though a little further away.

Every time I get a chance to get after the gophers the weather sux. Been out twice, and got 2 gophers each time. At least the boy is getting a little trigger time. Hopefully they are out in force this weekend.

Also took a Sammo inspired pic of the inside of Mobile Slaughtering Unit 1..

Yikes..

BGG...its been slow on our two trips...weekend weather up there is sposed to suck...

Weak amount of brass on the floorboard!

Pictures? To tell you the truth I did not think of it at the time, maybe next one.

I measured it out to around 18 yards, I stood for a few minutes while he came out into the open then pinned him to the ground.

Guilty as charged..

We prefer it to look like the belly of a B-17 coming back from Swinefurt....

Hell it hit 75 today, and we've had 3 fires already and it's only April.

I just looked the updated forcast.. A foot of snow on Friday?

Good thing we held off on changing out the snow tires on the volvo..

We saw a fire in what looked like CRP today....and alot of controlled burns...75!! Schitt, we musta left too early!

They were out all over the road yesterday. I'm going to have to get sick, cough cough, in the middle of the week if I'm going to do any good. Think it'll have to be contagious, I can't go shoot gophers without my hunting buddy.

He still needs to bloody that #3. And to keep in line with the title, it's a .223.

If its any help, I caught some kind of a bug up there last night..taking all kinds of patent medicine for colds right now, and treating systemically with alcohol....
For real....

I can call in for you, they wont recognize the voice....too bad of a cold...

good thing there's no aviators in that picture.. I'm trying to cut down.

Dont deny yourself aviators......

You live once....

Dang it, add one more to the miss list. To windy.....

what happens on the highline should stay on the highline. just sayin'...

Deal Ingwe. Just don't make them think I'm dying, I'd like to keep a few hours of sick leave on the books for deer season. Burn that bug out, alcohol cures all.

I only pull out the aviators for special occasions. Travis on the other hand wastes their magic on everyday affairs. His will mojo will wear out eventually.....

Yeah, I think Travis is over-using the magic of the aviators....when the bloom is off that rose, he will have nothing to fall back on...

yea, but what else does he have to work with except that sweet Howa?

True...that Howa and those Aviators make up 97% of his Mojo....

Quit hijacking the thread [bleep], I wanted to learn about the 223 on deer....grin


Saying a prayer we get a little moisture with this latest front, dustier than hell the last couple weeks with the wind.

[bleep] the goph's, they can hole up for a little while...grin

He needs to buy a .223 tikka..

Quitter.

I will personally school you on the .223 and deer...as soon as we can sit down together with some "grown-up" beer...

That's the best part...the tailgate party!! Throw in some nice olives and Greek Feta cheese and its goodnight dick!!!

Gus

Great minds!..But dammittall..I forgot the olives this time!

That sounds like a fine plan, I might even chip in on the beer!

No beverages in sight???

Cerveza??
Vino??

Gus

I understand why you always take his truck

You musta missed the Shock Top in the pic.....

He has a " Big Boy" truck...and I'm a big Boy...

What happened to little [bleep] boy bruce?

Do you spose we hurt his feelers?

not enough..

True dat..


Im gonna go overmedicate and go to bed..


Handle it.

Dam fruity beers.

Celebrate diversity....

I wasn't gonna say anything....grin

Self medicating is fun!

Natty lite Ho...

laughin'


High class Hi-Line ho here.....

Bud Light or Bust!

I shot a gopher. Once.

[bleep] boy huh? You are the ffucking homo you stupid piece of [bleep]. Ur mother would be ashamed.

I just heard a Queef.

Sorry buddy I dont have a ppussy and Im nor a ppussy so your boyfreind must have. Or you

Just caught a whiff, cross them legs!

Just teasing, the hijack was better.

Okay

The ADD is strong with this one.

I see little [bleep] boy brucie is back..

You almost had it Sam. High Class, Hi-Line, High Life.

Who here has taken a bear with a .223?

Might need to finally load some TSX's in my Plastikka..

You might piss it off by using a Tikka on the poor thing, buy a decent rifle.

You are a peanut!

And the animal wont suffer if you use a bigger calibre and place your shot poorly?

Think before you speak.......the world needs all the oxygen it can get!!


Gus

I see that bitch is backm

Federal Premium .223 w/62gr bonded bullet; Anything that will penetrate both doors and seats of a Ford Crown Vic will surely kill a deer. And I have cleanly taken four deer with that load so far out of a Ruger M77 Carbine with a 16 1/2" barrel. Why?; because I'm confident with said rifle and my abilities.

It's going to be snow gopher world up here...

I feel like a kid on Christmas Eve.



Today: Snow showers. High near 39. North wind between 6 and 8 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90%. Total daytime snow accumulation of around an inch possible.

Tonight: Snow. The snow could be heavy at times. Low around 26. Northeast wind between 5 and 7 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New snow accumulation of 3 to 5 inches possible.

Friday: Snow. The snow could be heavy at times. High near 29. North northwest wind between 5 and 7 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90%. New snow accumulation of 4 to 8 inches possible.

Friday Night: Snow likely, mainly before midnight. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 20. West northwest wind between 6 and 10 mph. Chance of precipitation is 60%. New snow accumulation of around an inch possible.

Saturday: A 20 percent chance of snow showers. Partly sunny, with a high near 39. West wind between 11 and 18 mph, with gusts as high as 25 mph.

Saturday Night: Partly cloudy, with a low around 22.

Sunday: Mostly sunny, with a high near 51.

It seems every time this little [bleep] dilldo batteries run dead he has to post crap so men will pay attention to him...he would be better served to go to a NAMBLA meeting and he could get all the attention he deserved

The lead paint on his crib shows bite marks.

I do like how the thread spun completely off topic... but then with geezers like ingwie around, that is likely to happen...

I'm pissed at Ingwe...he killed the Easter bunny

"Hijack" can be a harsh sounding word.. I prefer "re-purposing".

because I'm confident with said rifle and my abilities.

Brinky...

that is 95% of it all right there...

a man who practices and knows the capabilities of his equipment is a heck of a lot more competent than someone with a spendy bench rest accurate rifle and a $2000 scope on top, chambered in the Trendy Seasonal WhizBand D'Jour..

knowing what you are doing is a heck of a lot more effective, than just big buck rigs and incompetent hunter wannabes..

Hassenpfeffer for Easter Dinner!

conejo

Vendejo...

Uh pendejo

True dat...soprry...Ive got the flu or some such schitt and I have only begun to overmedicate...

Unless the rabbit lays chocolate eggs, go ahead an shoot it.

Revenge of the varmint cong....

Shoulda used the new Zombie Max bullets on them...

What a dickhead. Wow. . Err.......I mean........You guys got me wanting to send my Brux 1-8" off sooner than planned for the 20" 223AI build. I'm thinkin' it will be a dog-smokin' rig........and also a few whitetail thrown into the fray!

Now who was it that was most recently defending this dickhead?

They were offended by the CF rifles........

The souls of their dead have invaded and infected my spirit domain...

Check for windshield dings before shooting across your hood. Don't ask me how I know, but a new windshield for a Super Duty was involved.

I'm taking this as KBruce can't shoot fer shiat and therefore due to his lack of both confidence and ability is unduly assuming it's the rifle and not is inherent lack of ability.

Shod

2500HD last week. My ding is now a crack.

Another pard on a PD shoot leaned across the hood with his .243....

New windshield time!

.224" louvers in the hood are pretty cool...

Also learned: Do NOT let short people shoot lengthwise over your truck box....

A few steps further........Do NOT.........I repeat......DO NOT let anybody shoot at running game over the cab and hood of your truck when they're riding in the bed and you're driving. This is a helpful hint especially if you have a crew cab truck.

The real adults were. You stupid ffucking assholle.

No Im not a bad shot. Im not great but I also dont hunt in a box over a feeder. Well if you call that hunting.

a 223 bullet through the heart trumps a bullet out of a 30-06 through the guts......and i dont hunt from a blind or use a feeder.....

Kdoosh, I promise with that new 7Mag you have, you will make a lot more poor shots than you would if you were using an accurate 223.

Well........I did make that one up about shooting over the cab out of the bed. But it sounded cool. Very glad the real kbruce has come back, if only to show the very small remaining bastion of defenders exactly what type of person they've been defending. Congratulations?

Why do people post stuff just to start arguments on the internet, its the freaking internet, I think its people who get their arses kicked in real life that play internet tough guy

Got that right, Sergeant.

I think ole brucie has a stick shoved sideways up his ass.

Filibustering?

A "kid" with such a lack of brains and respect shouldn't be any where near a firearm...it speaks volumes for her parents

It may be STUPID for you, and while it would probably never be my first choice for mulies, even if it were legal in Colorado, I've no doubt that most deer I'eve taken would have dropped just as quickly if hit with an appropriate .223 load. There are also a lot of deer in other areas of the country where a .223 could be considered "overkill".

STUPID is stating that using a .223 for deer is stupid.

You do know that you apply the seatbelt AFTER you get in the vehicle, right?

DING DING DING DING (Pause)
DING DING DING DING (Pause)
DING DING DING DING (Pause)

A quick trip to the junk yard for a seat belt buckle will make it stop DINGING too.

PS - I agree though... where's all the brass? Never been on a PD safari, but I envision brass at least 2 inches deep around my feet.

Weak.

PPS - KBruce, are you bipolar by chance?

The seat belt was buckled to quell the DING DING DING


As for the brass, you guys are right..like to see the floorboards covered, but that being said, Im trying a new "system"....notice the little ammo box on the seat...Im shooting it up in 50 round boxes, and sticking it all back in the box to keep better track of it...


I'll let you know how that goes......


I am usually not that "orderly"....

I think the seat belt was buckled so you're imaginary friend wouldn't run off

True dat, shes the one that cleans the brass off the floor....

My brass usually flies up on the dash and goes down the defroster vents and then rolls and rattles around until I trade for another.

Looks like a red crater day tomorrow...

How many bears have you killed,stud?

And with what?

Jayco

You realize you're going to have to stop drinking before you can get that liver transplant..

I just happen to know of a couple taken with the 223, I wasn't the trigger man on either but they still bit the dust just the same...

Dober

see any bruins yet, Mark?

Nope, I haven't but I'd been doing the old 3 yards and a cloud of dust. I don't get overly cranked up till May and to me May 13 has always been the magic time.

If you're in town tomorrow stop by SW, on the rack should be a new issue of Hunting and Fishing in Montana. I wrote a couple of bruin articles for them. Let me know your thoughts if you find it.

Dober

I'll have to check that out.. I'll probably be starting a job soon up at in inholding above Hell Roaring/Storm castle. I might have to do some scouting before the job starts!

You guys get snow?


Little rain here with the breeze.

I see that your crying apology thread was a waste of time. You are a waste of oxygen.

Sam-as I was getting all the White of the old F150 this morn and was getting pelted with it snowing sideways I thought to my self. Now this is a morn where Sam and Rancho and I would of met up to do some load work.

You're missed down this way.

Dober

Gonna be some good snow gopher work this weekend!

Got the 10-22T, .223 Plastikka, and RRA gopher killer all ready to go..

I'm watching five WT's scrape for grass on my lawn as I type right now..

Eat! Eat!!

Snow here today...pretty well burnt off already...too muddy for sno-gophs here...

about seven inches of snow here, as soon as the sun comes out, me and the boy are off to Clyde Park.

I used to shoot them over there..I imagine its still good

A dairy farmer gave me the OK down near Churchill, too.. might have to check that.

You guys are kidding right? I never heard of using a 223 for deer. Will it even kill a deer?

Nope bounces off but it's good for practice

Extends your season, too.

.223 for deer???

Nope. Can't be done...

Would'nt be ethical even if it was legal...


Stunt shooters.....

I keep mine in the pea-shooter and sling-shot cabinet.

Now a .223 AI, well, that's a much different story...

Thanks guys thats what I was thinking. 223's are stunts...

well.....duh...


The "AI" stands for Almost Invincible.....


Just sayin'..........

223AI

To quote the Duke. "Too much gun"

No I don't but I can shove my foot up your ass.

Thats why I have a 243! Dumbass.

Kdouche..

little [bleep] boy brucie is into some weird chit.

his parents must be so proud..

Rancho is right, you are into weird chit.

I am pretty sure I could whoop your fat-body ass, just saying.

I figured you were the kind that liked to put stuff up peoples ass. Good to see you were sincere with all 3 of your apologies. Damn troll!

I think he might be a test tube baby.

I cannot believe that Darwinism hasn't eliminated a kid as dumb as you yet.

Unlubed? Dude... not nice.

He's a total piece of crap is what he is and he has no more friends here. He needs to get a clue (ala Ingwe) and [bleep] leave.

Wow, when a kid as nice as Tanner starts talking junk to you, you must be a serious [bleep]-stick.

I even gave the kid some advice- to just listen and learn. I was always told speak when spoken to...

And I told myself I wouldn't start in on the banter, but wow... this kid is a nutjob.

Just wait....I am sure it will happen soon.

A lot of us have tried.....several times. I'm one to give another the benefit of the doubt and don't give up on people easily. But this one has got to be the stupidest piece of schitt I've ever come across. He sent me postal when he told me "[bleep] you" in a PM after all I had tried to do for him here on the campfire. He can go straight to [bleep]' hell for all I care.

Now........hopefully somebody will remind us of their deer kills with the lowly 22 Hornet.

Oh well. The country needs inmates too.

I saw some ice cream some of you tasteless, ill-bred might yahoos might like...



Of course, I found some good stuff, too...

Holy smokes... Samoa ice cream. I am now a religious man.

Where is the Tag-along ice cream?

WTF!?!

kbruce.....



Grow up, Shut up, Listen, Learn, or GTFO

Me too!

There must be some kind of a Diety existant...

Ive got to finf, and sample, his bounty....

Ya Okay and I have a 20 inch kock.

There is a god huh Tanner....

The ONLY reason we know that's a lie is because you're 15, and you'll have to wait until your testicles descend from your lower stomach, and then your wee-wee will follow suit. Now, most people are acceptably mature by age 15, both physically and psychologically. But you are clearly still a pre-pubescent little 'tard, because that's about the only thing I can think of that would make such a kid into such a dumb, bitter little douche pump.

Yes, yes there is

It's these little discoveries in life..

Beer.
Hot nekkid wimmens.
Good ice cream.

Every day is a gift.

Mixing the 3 together... the gift that never stops giving.

This isn't a kid, it's a troll pulling your chain

It could only be better if a naked woman spoon fed ice cream while holding your beer for you.

Nah, beer and ice cream don't really mix too well. Takes all the flavor out of the beer...

Nooo noo noo. You put yer beer and yer ice cream on the hot naked woman and consume it that way. Amatuers....

a couple years ago an iceam shop in missoula that had cold smoke beer flavored ice cream...

So the Varmint Grenades are the way to go for deer right?

No sir. For those gigantic NY deer, the lowest I would go bullet/energy wise would be a 265gr TTSX launched at least 3000 fps. And try to limit your shots to 241 yards and in. That is the max distance for that bullet to have enough energy, expansion, retained weight, and a slew of other extremely important designators that I forget about but once heard a guy say on the Outdoor Channel. If you stray from my advice, you suck and are not an ethical hunter.

I have with a single shot. That bastard was facing me and I put it right in his chest.Full body penetration followed it exited his azz and went halfway through the bear behind him.Both Bang Flops.

I came home drunk once and wanted a rootbeer float. I had ice cream, and I had beer. Close enough.

I don't know if it was just the situation, but it wasn't too bad.

Two please!

Or the old Hornady SX. SX stands for super explosive. Not sure why some guys think they need 3 times the super explosiveness.......ala TSX!

Apparently this poor leetle feller didn't know ya can't kill a deer with a triple deuce as he didn't move an inch any way(other than straight down!)...

Nice Ben! That dude probably caught wind that you were in the area with a Triple D and just layed down and bowed out

Thanks Tanner! It was a good day to die I reckon...

Oh, shure.... you can kill them with a .222.............



But can you do it with a .223?????????????

Probably, but only if it was an AI...

So in you mind, while it is STUPID to use a .223 on deer, a .243 is a perfectly acceptable choice.

You're kidding, right?

That's a real world-changer, isn't it??......

Quite simple, the .222 is mo' betta akin to the .270 vs. 7x57, albeit different bullet diameters, and not quite as extreme.

KDK,

I see you've gotten the captions with those pictures mixed up. It's a simple mistake, really. No harm done.

Samoa's for the win!

Oh, you poor, misguided fool...

Soooo...... .019 really makes a big difference......laffin....



George

The 243 is the lowest I will use. I mostly use a 30-06. But I have shot a couple deer with a 243.

Doucheboy,

Nice to know you base all your statements of fact on soooooo much "experience".

You hunt deer? You couldn't find an Easter egg if you hired a guide.

WOW!!

1flier

.223 will work , but it's overkill ! A real sportsman would us a .22 RF loaded with CB shorts , and not take any shots at less than 100 yds !

Hard lesson learned!

Great job.

Now don't go trying logic on this character... It just isn't gonna fly, unless you like inarticulate (and mispelled at that!) name-calling... You can get all you'd need of that on the main campfire page...

This kid is best ignored imho...