Home
Posted By: leftycarbon Sako 75 - 05/08/05
Does anyone have experience with the Mod. 75 Sako?

I just looked at a used one in .300 WSM and was considering it for my son. Its SS with the grey synthetic stock.

Lefty
Posted By: stansteiber Re: Sako 75 - 05/09/05
I had a Sako 7mm RM Model 75 SS and it was a tack driver out of the box. It liked Noslers and Hornady's. Never had any problems with it. Unfortunately, it became redundant when a client traded a Rifle's Inc. 7 STW for fees and I ended up trading it to get my house painted. Would definetely recommend it.

Stan
Posted By: longwinters Re: Sako 75 - 05/09/05
I have had 3 and still own 2. I really do not think you can buy a better factory rifle. The ones I currently own are in 308 and 280. Sold a 7mm a/c just did not need that big of a caliber for what I do. My 308 will shoot 3/4" all day long with multiple loads. The 280 will consistently shoot dime size groups and once it even did a 1 holer with 3 @ 100.

The S.S with Laminated stock should be a real beauty!!! I am not really a short mag guy but have no problems with them. I cannot believe you will not love that rifle.

Long
Posted By: CAS Re: Sako 75 - 05/09/05
I've got one, and it is one of the very few unaltered factory rifles I have. the trigger is excellent, I really like the stock (except for the rock hard pad), and the barrel is a real shooter.

Typical of hammer forged barrels, it does copper foul, but accuracy takes a long time to erode.

The only issue I ever had with mine is that I had to take the action out of the stock to clean it. i had dropped the thing in the mud, and it was caked throughout. I could not get the stinking action screws undone, and I had my smith buddy take it apart for me. I don't know how he got the screws out without buggering them, but he did. Now it comes out no problem. That is a far cry from anything resembling a problem, but it's something you'll need to be aware of if you ever plan on taking it apart in the field (like on a long hunting trip).
Posted By: leftycarbon Re: Sako 75 - 05/10/05
Thanks for the info.

I havent picked it up yet but have a deposit on it. It'sa .300 WSM. One thing I liked was the magazine held 4 rounds..kinda rare for a WSM. The stock felt pretty good too, and the action was smooth. I have loaded for the .300 a lot as I compete with it so have a lot of good loads. Will see shortly and post results.

Lefty
Posted By: claycrusher Re: Sako 75 - 05/11/05
I own 5 a .270,.280,7mm-08,30-06,and a .300 weatherby.
they are all model 75's and all have been a tack driver right from the box. The best shooting rifle I have ever owned. Dont know why I have all these calibers but, I guess it can be because I can.
Buy the gun and dont look back.......
Posted By: docdb Re: Sako 75 - 05/11/05
I had one in .25-06 that shot well, but heavy as a boat anchor and the wood stock was rather plain. I'm a picky guy though, and keep looking for nervana in rifles. The two attributes I just mentioned kept me looking.
Don
Posted By: CharlieSisk Re: Sako 75 - 05/11/05
Leftycarbon
I build several rifles each year using Sako 75 actions. They are as good as any available. They are heavier than a "Sucks" as they are all steel with no aluminium. Makes a fine custom rifle.
Charlie

SAFEMAN....WHERE ARE YOU ???????
Posted By: djpaintless Re: Sako 75 - 05/12/05
If weight is an issue try one of the Finnlites. They are much lighter and the two I have shoot as well as the heavier ones. If it's an older one do have the serial number checked for the recall.........DJ
Posted By: martinbns Re: Sako 75 - 05/12/05
I have two Sako's. The first an A1 laminated blued sporter model in 223, love the fit of the stock, gun looks great, with handloads it will put 10 shots into about .75 inches. The other is a S/S 75 I just got in 7mm rem mag. The first trip to the range gave me 1.25 inch groups with remington 150 gr corelokts and handloads with H4831 and 154 gr Hornady softpoints, these were accurate enough but low velocity. The scond trip to the range with 160 gr accubonds and reloder 22 was pretty impressive, there was a really strong wind from behind me about 20 MPH, the plywood target area moved a fair bit and I had to wait for it to be still. 62.5 gr gaveup a .34 inch 3 shot group, 63 gr .514 and .858, 63.5 gave .811 and another group with 2 .4 apart and I pulled my last round. The battery was dead on my chronograph, but the nosler manual calls those loads at around 3050 fps. I am pretty impressed with both Sako rifles I have, next up may be a Finnlight.
Posted By: 2muchgun Re: Sako 75 - 05/14/05
I have a Finnlight in 7mm-08. It was $1200 with Sako bases/rings. This rifle will shoot sub 1/2 moa with 140gr ballistic silvertips. For $1200 I could not see getting a better rifle. The trigger is awesome--2MG
Posted By: rimshot Re: Sako 75 - 05/14/05
Do all Sako 75 models use detachable magazines and the key lock thing?
rimshot
Posted By: leftycarbon Re: Sako 75 - 05/14/05
Dont know about all Sako's but this one has both. I do like the detachable magazine and as a bonus it holds four rounds which is unusual for a WSM. As far as the lock...........................

Lefty
Posted By: martinbns Re: Sako 75 - 05/14/05
My 75 has the detachable mag, no key lock, my 223 A1 has hinged floor plate and no key lock.
Posted By: claycrusher Re: Sako 75 - 05/14/05
You can get them in detach or hinged floor plate,also with lock and without.
Posted By: SU35 Re: Sako 75 - 05/14/05
The very best factory rifle available.
Posted By: billt Re: Sako 75 - 05/14/05
Quote
The very best factory rifle available.


Assuming this doesn't happen. Bill T.

[Linked Image]
Posted By: SU35 Re: Sako 75 - 05/15/05
We know all about it bill T.
Posted By: billt Re: Sako 75 - 05/15/05
Quote
We know all about it bill T.


Thanks to Sako sitting on their ass, a lot of people don't! billt
Posted By: SU35 Re: Sako 75 - 05/15/05
So write them a letter Bill.
Posted By: billt Re: Sako 75 - 05/15/05
Quote
So write them a letter Bill.


THEY are the ones that need to be doing the writing and the calling. billt
Posted By: martinbns Re: Sako 75 - 05/15/05
Any new gun I've ever bought I've never sent in the Warrnty card, how would they do the calling other than the tell the stores that got the small number of affected rifles?
Posted By: HunterJim Re: Sako 75 - 05/15/05
There are a couple of things about the Sako M75 kaboom that interested me.

I have a friend in San Diego who bought one of the rifles from the serial number range that was blowing up. He called Sako's US distribution arm with his serial number, but I thought it took them too long to tell him his rifle was OK. Watching the handling of the situation by Beretta/Sako, overall I was underwhelmed.

On the technical side I was wondering if a Mauser style C-ring in the action design would have kept the action from peeling open at the front like a stainless-steel banana. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

jim
Posted By: MillerMan Re: Sako 75 - 05/15/05
I always wanted a lefty Sako in SS, but in 7mm-08 or 308, hard to find if I rememebr right they made a batch about 8 years ago, I didn't get one.

well I end up with the poor mans sako, a tikka whitetail hunter lefty 7mm-08, nice gun for the money
Posted By: SHW Re: Sako 75 - 05/15/05
Not trying to pick a fight, but I wonder why someone didn't mention the exploding barrels sooner? I was suprised it took this long to surface. It did happen, for what ever reason. I had a Sako 75 stainless in 300 RUM. It shot ok--just to heavy for me. I decided to just add a little more to the sako price & build off of a sucks action & add a Lilja barrel. JMHO
Posted By: djpaintless Re: Sako 75 - 05/15/05
Quote
Do all Sako 75 models use detachable magazines and the key lock thing?
rimshot


So far the only floorplate model 75's I've seen were on the Ultra-Mags. I'm sure they might be available in other calibers but they may not import many if any of them.
Hopefully the bolt lock will disappear. I have it on a couple of my model 75's. I've never so much as turned one on once to even see how it works and for me it's just a little extra weight on the shroud. Maybe for some it's a usefull feature, but who?.......DJ
Posted By: AdkHunter Re: Sako 75 - 05/16/05
I have two 75s. One purchased 3 mos. ago, and one I received as a replacement for a recalled gun. Neither one came with the lock.

By the way, I was contacted immediately by Baretta and my dealer about the recall on my gun, and It was replaced very quickly.
Posted By: billt Re: Sako 75 - 05/16/05
Quote
Any new gun I've ever bought I've never sent in the Warrnty card, how would they do the calling other than the tell the stores that got the small number of affected rifles?


When any American manufacturer has a recall on guns or ammunition, (no "warranty card" on ammo), and there is something wrong, you read about it in most every gun rag on the market. The NRA will provide space FREE to manufacturers for this purpose in their Rifleman, or Hunter Magazines. SAKO DID NOT NOTIFY ANYONE until this became a MAJOR issue, and several guns blew up, causing serious injury to at least 2 people. This is totally inexcuseable, and unnecessary! There were 3,000 rifles affected with this bad barrel steel. No "small number"! billt
Posted By: Hawk_Driver Re: Sako 75 - 05/16/05
This must be the week for Sako bashing, last week was the Browning A-Bolt. Seems we can't go a week without bashing some manufactors rifle. For all the Sako fans, give it a week and it will pass.
Posted By: billt Re: Sako 75 - 05/16/05
Look, Any manufacturer can produce a bad product. It happens in the auto industry all the time. It's the manufacturers responsibility to recall the product in question, and make it right. Sako did not do this. They didn't want all the "bad press" that can go with a recall. Remember the Firestone Tire debacle? It has nothing to do with "bashing" Sako, or anyone else for that matter. This is a plain and simple case where a manufacturer, in this case Sako, put bad press, and profits that might be effected by such bad press, in front of consumer safety. People were seriously hurt in the process. They made a bad call. I wouldn't buy a Sako at any price because of it. Several others feel much the same. That isn't "bashing". It's called telling it like it is. billt
Posted By: leftycarbon Re: Sako 75 - 05/16/05
Read post by ADK hunter.

Have you made a survey of the 3000 or so people that had these rifles to see when they were contacted?

Where are the numbers? numbers don't lie.

lefty
Posted By: HunterJim Re: Sako 75 - 05/16/05
Quote
Read post by ADK hunter.

Have you made a survey of the 3000 or so people that had these rifles to see when they were contacted?

Where are the numbers? numbers don't lie.

lefty


They did not contact my friend in San Diego, he called their "Hot Line". After a couple of weeks they called him back.

I don't need to find out more to know they were too slow. The lack of ads in the gukn magazines is telling too.

jim
Posted By: djpaintless Re: Sako 75 - 05/17/05
I'm not so sure that the number 3000 is correct. I had a Finnlite within the serial number range that has been given in a couple places. I called Berretta about all 6 of my Model 75's including my Finnlite that was in the recall # range and they gave me an answer after holding for maybe 2 minutes.
Even though my Finnlite was within the range it was not recalled. I have fired several hundred rounds through it and it is an extremely accurate finely made firearm. Yes a few had problems and the rifles were replaced.
I've also had several vehicles with recalls on them and they were all handled exactly the way Sako handled theirs, through the warranty registration. Although Sako did have a number I could call and got immediate service. The automobile recalls have never been as efficiently handled.
Most of the Sako bashers (note I said "most" not "all") are people with little or no direct experience with Sako rifles and are regurgitating their partially informed 2nd hand opinions. Most (again not all) of the people who own Sako rifles are exceptionally pleased with them. So who do you listen too? The people who don't and for whatever reason wouldn't own one, or the people with actual personal experience..............DJ
Posted By: billt Re: Sako 75 - 05/17/05
Quote
I'm not so sure that the number 3000 is correct. So who do you listen too?



How about the president of Sako. Read it and weep.

http://www.helsinginsanomat.fi/english/article/1101978285825
Posted By: billt Re: Sako 75 - 05/17/05
Quote
Where are the numbers? numbers don't lie.



I'll post it again for you. Read it and weep. billt

http://www.helsinginsanomat.fi/english/article/1101978285825
Posted By: billt Re: Sako 75 - 05/17/05
"Even though my Finnlite was within the range it was not recalled."

Applying strict common sense to this whole situation, I would NOT fire that gun!! Simply put, is it worth the risk?? Remember, not all of these guns let go with the first box of ammo run thru them. It is extremely difficult to predict when metal fatigue will occur in good steel, all but impossible to predict in bad steel. Is it worth the chance of losing a finger? An eye? Or your life? billt
Posted By: JoMama Re: Sako 75 - 05/17/05
I have a floorplate on my sako in .270 Where do i find out if my rifle is affected by the recall? Its is not a stainless model, does that matter?
Posted By: billt Re: Sako 75 - 05/17/05
Jo Mama,

You can try here, http://www.berettausa.com/index.cfm However, nowhere on Beretta's website do they have ANY Information pertaining to this incident. (They do tell you where you can buy their clothes if and when your ever shopping in Paris). Most likely your safe if your weapon is not Stainless. I would contact them by phone, or E-Mail, with your rifles Model #, Serial #, date of purchase, as well as who you purchased it from. They should respond. The news release said they STILL have about 10% of the effected rifles sold here in the states, that have NOT been located. That means close to 300 of these hand granades are still floating around out there in gun land. If there ever was a case of "buyer beware", this has got to be it! billt
Posted By: JoMama Re: Sako 75 - 05/17/05
Thanks, I check the link and my gun is a few years old so I'm in the clear.
Posted By: billt Re: Sako 75 - 05/17/05
Here is another piece of fact I've wondered about. It was reported in this article, and several others, that the rifle in question was chambered in .300 WSM. Many have gone on to conclude that one reason for this happening was the Short Mag. chambering left too thin of a chamber wall in the "Finnlite Model". Take a good look at the bottom picture of the 3 pieces of barrel displayed in the photograph. That IS NOT a .300 WSM Short Mag. chamber. That chamber is a full length .300 Winchester Magnum. That puts to bed that theory. billt
Posted By: claycrusher Re: Sako 75 - 05/17/05
Lets face it billt you dont like the sako rifle. OK some of us do and have all the faith in the rifle and company. How long are you going to run with this. It is getting alittle old.
Posted By: HunterJim Re: Sako 75 - 05/17/05
Quote
Lets face it billt you dont like the sako rifle. OK some of us do and have all the faith in the rifle and company. How long are you going to run with this. It is getting alittle old.


Sako has been acquired by Beretta. The new Beretta-Sako hasn't demonstrated it is worthy of trust, especially with its handling of the M75 kaboom public relations.

If they learn about an additional and smaller problem, are they going to tell the public or hide what they know? The world wonders.

jim
Posted By: CAS Re: Sako 75 - 05/17/05
Bill,
The original story I read about the blow-up clearly said that it was a 300 Win Mag, and even showed a split 300 Win Mag case. The fact that the writer of the story got it wrong tells me nothing about Sako/Beretta.

BTW, I love my Sakos but agree that they handled the disastrous situation about as bad as any company has ever handled a bad situation. They should have taken notes from the Tylenol scare years back.
Posted By: leftycarbon Re: Sako 75 - 05/17/05
Well I stand corrected: the article is the proof, the numbers backed you up.
I went to Hendershots gun shop today and spoke with Lance the owner. They sell Sakos and about every other brand right up through Rigby doubles. I asked him about the Sako's. He said that as soon as Sako found out about the problem they called and put all of the rifles in inventory on hold. They also had the store contact all people that had bought them.. Eventually all of thier inventory was shipped back to Sako and in due time and eventually replaced. I asked him point blank considering the cost of this rifle would I be better off quality wise if I purchased another brand...he thought a bit and said he didn't think so but offered to give me a full refund on anything in the store. Kimbers, Weatherbys, Rem, Ruger, Steyer, Coopers, Sauer, Blazer and whatever. Of the higher dollar rifles sold he said he has had zero problems with Sako and he has never heard of any accuracy problems. His one negative comment is that they were kind of heavy.

I am satisfied. I am keeping the rifle, its for my 16 year old son so I did put some thought into it. I will pass on the weeping though. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Lefty
Posted By: djpaintless Re: Sako 75 - 05/18/05
BillT, Have you ever owned a Sako? Have You ever shot one? Is any of your vitriolic criticism based on any personal experience? There are 6 people who definately have a valid right to be very upset, I hope they are well taken care of. I somehow doubt you are one of the six....
I can now agree with the number 3,000, but the other half of the point I was making was that not all of the rifles within the serial number range were effected.
The rifles that were defective and blew up did so within a few rounds. My rifle was not one of the rifles with defects and was not recalled. It is perfectly safe to shoot and I have as mentioned shot a few hundred rounds through it. I used it hunting and it is an accurate joy to carry.
Sako got the problem handled. They may not of done it in the way some think best but they've done a better job of it than I've seen most car manufactures to it. By the way I was almost injured in one of the Automobiles that was recalled to the the recall defect, if GM had performed as well as Sako on that particular recall I wouldn't have had to narrowly escape injury........DJ
Posted By: djpaintless Re: Sako 75 - 05/18/05
An Analogy, Do any of you remember several years ago when a consumer reports article came out with a scathing review of Suzuki Samuri's?
Nevermind that they had 1/2 the roll over rate of other more popular vehicles such as the Ford Broncho, the furor over the consumer report pretty much put the Samuri out of business.
Now maybe I like living dangerously but at the time my wife and I were working our way through college and the huge rebates that Suzuki put on the Samuri's made them about the only new car we could afford so we bought one.
Simply put it was the most reliable vehicle I've ever owned. I put a new battery in it the one time ever it didn't start on the first turn of the key. It got 25+ miles per gallon and was great on Snow and Ice. With us it lasted until at 143,000 miles my wife had an accident that was too expensive to fix. I sold it to a guy who rebuilt it and the darn car may still be running.
Now if I'd listened to every Chicken Little who shouts how the world is coming to an end with every Samuri rollover and Finnlite recall, I wouldn't have had a decent car through college or a 6 1/2lb stainless 300 WSM that shoots 3/4" groups at 200yds with 180gr Failsafes. Everything has problems try and find out which are more hype and hyperbole than thorough analysis............DJ
Posted By: martinbns Re: Sako 75 - 05/18/05
I think they handled the whole thing as I would expect a company to. I felt sorry for my Sako's after reading all the criticism from you guys so I took them out to play. My little 223 broke 5 straight clay pidgeons at 285 yards and my 7mm rem mag 75 S/S put my last 8 shots into .85 inches.
You guys can keep ripping Sako and keep buying Remchester's, keep sending them to Shilen to be rebarrelled, keep buying McMillan stocks and keep putting timney triggers in them. After all if everbody does all this stuff to their rifles they must be better than my Sako's.
Posted By: billt Re: Sako 75 - 05/18/05
paintless,

I think you should put your Sako in your Samuri, and go to the range. By the way, I have a couple of 6 shot S&W's for sale, if your intrested in a healthy game of Russian Roulette. billt
Posted By: billt Re: Sako 75 - 05/18/05
Quote
BillT, Have you ever owned a Sako? Have You ever shot one? Is any of your vitriolic criticism based on any personal experience? There are 6 people who definately have a valid right to be very upset, I hope they are well taken care of.


Please explain what me owning, or shooting a Sako rifle has to do with this??? So because I don't have one that blew up on me , this somehow lessens the problem, and takes away any fact ?? I have 4 Remington 700's and that doesn't change the fact the Walker fire control system is the biggest POS that has ever been put on a rifle. I have a Ruger Model 77 Stainless. That doesn't change the fact it's as innacurate as a Liberal Democrat making a speech. What are you saying, if I don't "own" one, I can't accurately discuss the problem at hand. You own their product. Your happy with their product. Thats fine. But that in itself changes nothing . If that Sako of yours let's go in the not too distant future, you'll be screaming foul the loudest of the bunch. At least have the courtesy to inform the poor guy at the bench next to you. Someone else shouldn't be put in danger because of your hard headedness. billt
Posted By: billt Re: Sako 75 - 05/18/05
Hunter Jim,

You bring up a valid point about consumer trust. If a company operates in a not so straight foward manner, as Sako, (Beretta), has in this case, not much more needs to be said. Actions speak volumes. Words only carry so much weight. I remember back in the mid 90's when Winchester introduced their 1001 O/U shotgun. They were beautiful. A friend of mine purchased one. A few months later they were ALL recalled because a couple blew up for no apparant reason. Much like these Sakos are now. Winchester had recall notices, some as large as half a page, plastered in every gun rag published. Within 90 days they had all the guns back, and gave every customer a full refund. My friend was even reinbursed for custom stock and forcing cone work he had done to the gun. No one was seriously hurt because of Winchesters quick and prompt action. I would not hesitate to purchase anything from Winchester, and have bought several of their guns since. You couldn't give me a Sako if Pamela Anderson delivered it with a free set of Firestone Tires! Trust in business is everything. Sako has lost mine, and several others as well. billt
Posted By: billt Re: Sako 75 - 05/18/05
Quote
Lets face it billt you dont like the sako rifle. OK some of us do and have all the faith in the rifle and company. How long are you going to run with this. It is getting alittle old.


Just keep your head deep in the sand. You'll be fine. billt
Posted By: SHW Re: Sako 75 - 05/18/05
I prefer Lilja & Jewel not Shilen & Timney. I may even build off a Sako one day. Just Kidding. I do think Sako's are good rifles. Even though I was not affected, I am not pleased with the way they handled the recall. For that reason I will not be buying any Sako's in the future. What else does Beretta own besides: Beretta, Sako & Burris?

To each his own. Truth be known, we should all probably be shooting Savages--but I do not want one of those either.JMHO
To counter some of the acrimony posted by "billt," I'll relate my own recent Sako/BerettaUSA experience:

Back in February I purchased a Sako 75 LH in .270. I went a LONG time getting one located in LH and getting it shipped to a local FFL friend of mine.

When I got it home and was showing it off, I found a 1" hairline crack in the forend. I was half afraid it would have to go back to Finland if I sent it in for repairs, since left-hand specific parts don't exactly sound like something just laying around on a shelf somewhere. I was even MORE AFRAID of BerettaUSA's customer service since I'd heard all of the horror stories from people like "billt."

At any rate, I decided to call BerettaUSA before I went and raised hell with the Sako dealer from whom I'd bought it (in another state, though I suppose he would've exchanged it for me). Not to worry, said the BerettaUSA representative, we have LH-specific parts, send it in and we'll take care of it.

I informed the representative that I wanted to send the gun boxed in a hardcase and could they please send that back? No problem, he said, just include a note to remind us.

After about seven weeks I received the rifle back in my hardcase with new wood.

I called BerettaUSA back and asked about getting reimbursed for my packing and shipping expenses. The representative (Carlton) told me that they don't normally reimburse for the costs of getting a firearm to BerettaUSA, they only cover the costs of returning it. I argued that that was fair, HOWEVER, since this was a truly NEW rifle, vice one that I'd owned and used for a number of years, this ought to be an exception.

Carlton told me if I could fax in some receipts to document my expenses, he'd see what he could do for reimbursement. After I'd faxed in the receipts, he called me back to tell me that I would be reimbursed for the full amount -- $47.22 (USPS shipping, insurance, and a box for my hardcase). I received the check last week.

I'd say BerettaUSA did me right. More than I've gotten from Browning/Winchester, Remington, or Ruger, that's for sure.
J.Nitro, Thanks for the story. Once again it demonstrates the fact that most people with actual personal experience with Sako's like them and have even received good service from them. Most of the BS about the Sako problems comes from people like BillT who have no direct experience and pretty much don't really know what they are talking about when they are bi+ching about stuff.
I too own several Remingtons and have personally seen more dangerous Remingtons than Sako's. I still own both of them since I use proper reloading, gunhandling and other safety precautions, it's a risk but a carefully calculated one. You are far more likely to be hurt in a car accident driving to the range than you ever will be shooting a current Finnlite at the range.
Nothing is perfectly safe you have to look at problems in overall context to be truly honest. Sako did have problems with the Finnlites that they corrected this is a small blemish on what has been decades of producing very high quality firearms. Overall you are more likely to get an unsafe firearms from any number of other companies that don't build things with the Quality that Sako normally does - that's the overall picture, not an overhyped isolated incident.......DJ
well, I haven't owned a sako but I had a tikka master deluxe that I purchased new online that showed up with multiple small cracks in the wood. My experience with beretta was less than satisfactory, with an ongoing saga which involved me sending it back, getting it back some time later with a new stock with more cracks in it than the first one. In the meantime I had been to a gunshow were all three of the ones I saw there also had cracks. They obviously have some problems with their wood. Anyway, whenI FINALLY got it back after sending it in with a very beautiful stock with no cracks in it, I went through hundreds of dollars worth of ammo trying to find any factory round that would shoot better than about 4" or so. It had the disctinction of being the least accurate rifle I have ever owned. At that point I was unwilling to go through more time and expense to send it back again and traded it on a browning gran citori, with which I am quite happy. Now, my brother has a tikka thats a tackdriver (although his first one showed up with a cracked stock too--but the second one does 1/2" groups at 150 yds), but I personally wouldn't ever buy another, especially while beretta owns them. I'm even relucant to buy anymore burris scopes alas...
It appears that while "Mr. Nitro" is prepared to dance in the street because of his fondness of Sako, Scubie02 couldn't take his dog to the pound fast enough. And the saga continues. Paintless, Scubie02 seems to have quite a bit of that "first hand Sako experience" you hold so dear. Are you going to "thank him" for his post as well????? billt
billt,

Just wondering why you own a 338/378 that can shoot at a 1000 yards. What do you do with that rifle, shoot paper?

If I remember correctly you led the charge over on AR against
people hunting game at long range, longest thread I've seen.

No offense, it seems you lack the gonads to shoot game past 200 yards and you make up for this by shooting big boomers.

Also, you really do need to own a Sako to really know what your talking about, otherwise you really have nothing of value to say.

Have a great day!
Quote
billt,

Just wondering why you own a 338/378 that can shoot at a 1000 yards. What do you do with that rifle, shoot paper?No offense, it seems you lack the gonads to shoot game past 200 yards and you make up for this by shooting big boomers.
Also, you really do need to own a Sako to really know what your talking about, otherwise you really have nothing of value to say.


SU35,

Yes, my primary use for this rifle is long range target shooting. Please inform me what "gonads" I need to aquire to shoot game at long range??? I'll ask you this same question. What does me owning a Sako have to do with the way they handled this entire matter? Sako owners posted misinformation on this thread. (They didn't believe, or even know there were 3,000 rifles involved in this fiasco). I provided links that proved otherwise. How do you come to the conclusion that I'm the one that doesn't know what i'm talking about when they, (Sako owners), are acting like nothing is, or was, ever wrong, because they will defend to the death their beloved Sako's?? I never said anywhere that every Sako rifle built since the dawn of time was bad. My beef is simply the way they "handled" this entire matter. It stunk on ice. They have lost my trust as a consumer. I can live very easily without a Sako in my safe. Doesn't bother me one bit. If anyone else thinks differently, thats fine. But that being said, talk sense. I never owned a Ford Pinto either. Does that mean I no nothing about their fuel tanks exploding? I'm sure there are plenty of satisfied Sako owners out there that aren't effected by this "recall", and their guns shoot and operate satisfactorily. That in itself changes nothing . I stated the reason why I won't own a Sako. This upsets owners of these rifles mostly because it's difficult for people to hear criticism about something they own and like. Once again, that in itself means nothing. I'm sure there are people out there that will argue until they have laryngitis, that the Ford Pinto was the best car they ever owned. Thats nice. Tell it to the people that were burned to death in them. Stop trying to tell me how wonderful Sako's are. I could care less. Go call Mark Almeida and tell him. Or the others that sustained injury when a half a dozen of them blew. FACT Sako manufactured 3,000 bad rifles. FACT They dragged their feet in letting people know about this problem. There are posters on this thread that confirmed that. FACT Because of this lackadaisial performance by Sako, several individuals sustained serious injury. If you have a problem digesting these FACTS your the one with the problem, not I. You have a nice day also! billt
Posted By: Johnny_Nitro GET OVER IT!!!! - 05/20/05
Quote
It appears that while "Mr. Nitro" is prepared to dance in the street because of his fondness of Sako, Scubie02 couldn't take his dog to the pound fast enough. And the saga continues. Paintless, Scubie02 seems to have quite a bit of that "first hand Sako experience" you hold so dear. Are you going to "thank him" for his post as well????? billt
So what's your point? I assume you must have a reason for ranting like a lunatic. I like my Sako and I have FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE with the company that left a favorable impression on me. So what? Were you hoping to change my mind?

If it makes you feel better, I also like my Rugers, Winchesters, Remingtons, and Brownings.

I'm not a hater, I like all well-made machinery.
Posted By: djpaintless Re: GET OVER IT!!!! - 05/20/05
Yea if I went through what Scubi02 did, I probably wouldn't want another Tikka (I'd upgrade to a Sako 75). It is unusually bad luck to have one that wouldn't shoot 4" groups since all Tikka's are factory tested and don't leave unless they shoot 3 shots into less than 1" at 100yds. With Sako 75's it is 5 shot's into less than 1 inch.
My direct experience with Sako/Beretta service is through a Buddy of mine. He had a Sako 75 Hunter with a cracked stock. He sent the rifle back and they sent him back a Delux model in the same caliber - which sells for almost twice as much as the one he sent back! He traded me the delux model since he thought it was too pretty to hunt with.
I do have some complaints with Beretta though. I like their guns and clothes but they are crowding out a lot of thier dealers. I went to a new gunstore/range just last week in Texas that was having a sale on Sako's and Berretta's. The owner said that he was going to quit carrying them since they were requiring him to make too large a purchase and were trying to dictate to him which models he had too carry. This wasn't a kitchen table store he had a couple dozen Sako/Berretta's in his shop plus a decent bit of thier clothing. I hope Beretta doesn't upscale themselves right out of local gunshops where I like to do business.........DJ
Posted By: Johnny_Nitro Better them than me. - 05/20/05
Quote
I like their guns and clothes but they are crowding out a lot of thier dealers. I went to a new gunstore/range just last week in Texas that was having a sale on Sako's and Berretta's. The owner said that he was going to quit carrying them since they were requiring him to make too large a purchase and were trying to dictate to him which models he had too carry. This wasn't a kitchen table store he had a couple dozen Sako/Berretta's in his shop plus a decent bit of thier clothing. I hope Beretta doesn't upscale themselves right out of local gunshops where I like to do business.........DJ
The gun business is competitive to say the least. I'd hate to have to make my living off of it.
Posted By: catnthehat Re: Sako 75 - 05/20/05
A friend had just bought a Tikka stainless and I told him about the problem.
he phined the Canadian Outlet for sako, gave them his serial number and they had a hpone call back to us in about
5 minutes!
No problem.
Cat
Posted By: Delta Hunter Re: Sako 75 - 05/20/05
Beretta/Sako is in the business of making firearms, they're not in the business of public relations. The fact that they didn't handle the recall perfectly doesn't bother me too much. I enjoy shooting my Sako rifles and Beretta shotguns more than my others and I'll certainly buy more in the future.
Posted By: Johnny_Nitro That's right. - 05/20/05
Quote
Beretta/Sako is in the business of making firearms, they're not in the business of public relations. The fact that they didn't handle the recall perfectly doesn't bother me too much. I enjoy shooting my Sako rifles and Beretta shotguns more than my others and I'll certainly buy more in the future.
My sentiments exactly.
Posted By: claycrusher Re: That's right. - 05/20/05
I am with you all the way delta hunter.
beretta/sako
Posted By: AdkHunter Re: Sako 75 - 05/21/05
I keep waiting for all this negative Sako stuff to cause some inexpensive used 75s to hit the market. I'm getting tired of waiting! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />Come on guys, sell those lousy Sakos! I'll be happy to take a few off your hands. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Johnny_Nitro Me, too!!!! - 05/21/05
Quote
I keep waiting for all this negative Sako stuff to cause some inexpensive used 75s to hit the market. I'm getting tired of waiting! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />Come on guys, sell those lousy Sakos! I'll be happy to take a few off your hands. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Somebody needs to step up and dump their crappy left-handed Sakos!!!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
© 24hourcampfire