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Posted By: shortactionsmoker Forbes 20B... - 01/30/14
...is about to get put to the test.

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Posted By: Huntr Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/30/14
Nice! Look forward to your report.

Hard to tell from the pic, but is that a #1 contour barrel or #2?
Posted By: stmcelroy Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/30/14
Caliber?
Posted By: Brad Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/30/14
SAS, given Forbes decided to put a chro bolt on a SS action, your choice is the way I'd go (Chro action, SS barrel).

As was already asked, what chambering?

Posted By: shortactionsmoker Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/30/14
Originally Posted by Huntr
Nice! Look forward to your report.

Hard to tell from the pic, but is that a #1 contour barrel or #2?


It measures .555" at the muzzle. It appears to be a 'tweener contour wise. It has a little beef through the body, but tapers to #1 land. In the manual that came with the rifle, Forbes says it's a #2. I'll compare it with a Lilja #1 on a 223AI tonight.
Posted By: shortactionsmoker Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/30/14
7-08 Brad.

Posted By: prairie_goat Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/30/14
The #2 contour is .6" at 24, so you're working with a #1.
Posted By: shortactionsmoker Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/30/14
I'll get more pics tonight. I'm going to weight it and a Montana 7-08 for comparison.

Posted By: R_H_Clark Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/30/14
Looking forward to the range reports. I would like to see the actual weight too since published specs are often wrong. Is the stock a gritty feeling as it looks?
Posted By: shortactionsmoker Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/30/14
It's really not that gritty, but it's not slick either. I like the stock.

Several have commented on the closed grip in the past, but it feels good in my hands. I like the ergo's of the stock.
Posted By: JoeBob Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/30/14
How long was the wait from the time you ordered it until you got it?
Posted By: shortactionsmoker Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/30/14
That's subjective!

I contacted Rick as soon as they were announced last year. I ordered a 243 and an all stainless 7-08. Sometime during the year after I heard the all stainless 20B's wouldn't be out until 2015, I cancelled both orders. We emailed back and forth several times through the year.

Then in November 2013 I contacted Rick again. He told me about the initial run of 10, 308 20B's. He also said they were doing another run of 50 immediately after SHOT. I ordered a 7-08 from the post-SHOT production run.
Posted By: 8SNAKE Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/30/14
Is it too soon to say I'll take it? wink
Posted By: shortactionsmoker Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/30/14
Ha! I think several others beat you to it in previous threads about the rifle!
Posted By: 8SNAKE Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/30/14
Those don't count because the rifle wasn't yet in your possession. laugh
Posted By: pointer Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/30/14
I like that color combo! I just wish for 2 things; that they kept the 2pos/3function safety and that they came in 260! Looking forward to hearing your report.
Posted By: Steelhead Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/30/14
It's going to become a 250 Savage.
Posted By: shortactionsmoker Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/30/14
Already counting chickens?
Posted By: n8dawg6 Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/30/14
it'd make a great .250 savage!
Posted By: 65BR Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/30/14
How is the trigger and is the action smooth? What does the barrel look like inside? Shaw?
Posted By: shortactionsmoker Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/30/14
The trigger is Timney. Out of the box it was 5lbs, but had zero creep. I adjusted it to my liking. The action is smooth and the lugs make perfect contact.

I'll run a patch through the barrel tonight. To my naked eye things look good, but I don't have a bore scope.
Posted By: 65BR Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/30/14
Are they running Shaw tubes also for the Stainless barrels?

The catalog shows 21" #1

Thanks for the update, surprised they feel compelled to leave the trigger at the same weight of the rifle....heavy.

Look fwd to a range report and update.
Posted By: gene270 Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/30/14
you need to get rid of that pos............its not all stainless and is probably twisted wrong and that bolt with the fluting what are they thinking?

good luck if it doesnt work you were warned............. send it my way i will do something with it
Posted By: WhelenAway Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/30/14
Great looking rifle SAS.

I'll be watching for updates!
Posted By: SamOlson Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/30/14
That does look nice!
Posted By: shortactionsmoker Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/31/14
Tale of the scale......two 7-08's...

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Interesting results.....
Posted By: shortactionsmoker Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/31/14
Grip geometry...

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Posted By: 8SNAKE Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/31/14
Is it just the pic, or does the Forbes have a larger barrel contour than your Montana? How do the two rifles compare when you hold/point them?
Posted By: shortactionsmoker Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/31/14
Forearm length...

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Posted By: shortactionsmoker Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/31/14
Originally Posted by 8SNAKE
Is it just the pic, or does the Forbes have a larger barrel contour than your Montana? How do the two rifles compare when you hold/point them?


The Forbes contour is larger. Forbes measures .685" just forward of the stock. The Kimber is .665" and is a couple inches back.

The hold/point question -- I like them both. That being said, nothing beats a Kimber 84M in that department (in my opinion).
Posted By: hunterjrg Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/31/14
Being both Kimber fans and weight-contours aside does it feel as good as a Kimber?
Posted By: shortactionsmoker Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/31/14
It's growing on me, but the Kimber is still tops in the "feel" department.

Feel and performance are two different things. I can't wait until Saturday to test the latter....
Posted By: battue Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/31/14
Darrik,

Subjective question; which one seems to be more locked in and stable offhand?

Have both and the Nula, combined with the closed grip and cheekpiece seems more stable off-hand.

Also, which one seems to balance better? Again for myself, Nula wins.
Posted By: shortactionsmoker Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/31/14
Harry,

I can't give either the edge for stability off-hand yet, but I've always liked a closed grip for such.

I need to spend some time shooting with both to better compare.

Bring your NULA 7-08 down and we'll do the REAL comparison!
Posted By: ChipM Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/31/14
Darrik,

Your killin' me. Need to wait until 11:00 am tomorrow morning. For someone who asked, I confirmed my order in early December and it hit my local fun shop 2 days ago. Damn work had me held up until tomorrow morning to pick it up.

Looking good so far, feel like a kid at Christmas
Posted By: shortactionsmoker Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/31/14
I didn't realize you'd not picked your up yet until a bit ago.

I think you'll like it!
Posted By: DakotaDeer Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/31/14
Sell me a rebarreled Montana in 243!
Posted By: shortactionsmoker Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/31/14
Originally Posted by DakotaDeer
Sell me a rebarreled Montana in 243!


I don't even have the 308 back yet! I thought about doing a 6.5 Creedmoor Montana next, but I decided the 243 will take 2nds.

Just waiting on the barrel....
Posted By: battue Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/31/14
No doubt, it would be a bunch of good time.
Posted By: bigwhoop Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/31/14
SAS, on that first shot, watch the closed grip. The back of your middle finger will bruise nicely.
Posted By: Lawdwaz Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/31/14
Originally Posted by bigwhoop
SAS, on that first shot, watch the closed grip. The back of your middle finger will bruise nicely.


The only one of my four NULA guns that does that is my 300WSM.
Posted By: 8SNAKE Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/31/14
Originally Posted by bigwhoop
SAS, on that first shot, watch the closed grip. The back of your middle finger will bruise nicely.


I am nearly certain SAS had at least one 24B prior to this. Good advice, though.
Posted By: DakotaDeer Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/31/14
Originally Posted by shortactionsmoker
Originally Posted by DakotaDeer
Sell me a rebarreled Montana in 243!


I don't even have the 308 back yet! I thought about doing a 6.5 Creedmoor Montana next, but I decided the 243 will take 2nds.

Just waiting on the barrel....


And I'm just waiting for you to sell it!!! That would be my dream gun.
Posted By: 65BR Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/31/14
One member had a quick twisted 6XC Kimber....

Pass one in a 6.5 Lapua....
Posted By: Kaiser Norton Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/31/14
Originally Posted by shortactionsmoker
...is about to get put to the test.



Got to hold one of these today, set up exactly as SAS's. Rifle does feel nice, points well. I didn't try the trigger, as I don't own it. Bolt movement felt a bit gritty (fore/aft), and tight (lift). Priced at $1499. They had a 25-06 sitting next to it priced at $1399.
Posted By: FishN4Eyes Re: Forbes 20B... - 01/31/14
Look forward to hearing how you like it.

NICE rifle in a great caliber.
Posted By: shortactionsmoker Re: Forbes 20B... - 02/01/14
The shooting started today. I got it on paper at 25....about 1 1/2" low at 25. Things looked to be centered nicely, as well as could be expected from shooting over the bed of the truck out of dad's garage.

I took it around to the front porch, went prone and busted the 200 yard gong a couple of times. Took it down a couple clicks and headed to the bench behind my house.

The ammo I was using were 120 NBT loads tailored to dad's Cooper Excalibur 7-08. They're jumping about .040"....more jump than I'd start with normally.

My range is in a valley between the hills. Gusts were coming from 10 o'clock. I really didn't expect much, so I just shot one group. I'm thinking the wind will die down a bit closer to nightfall. I'll load some stuff tailored to this rifle in the meantime, but.......things look promising!

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Posted By: battue Re: Forbes 20B... - 02/01/14
smile
Posted By: smokepole Re: Forbes 20B... - 02/01/14
Not a bad start......
Posted By: 65BR Re: Forbes 20B... - 02/01/14
Indeed, a great start, hopefully a good trend.

Like to hear how the barrel does re: fouling.
Posted By: TomNula300WM Re: Forbes 20B... - 02/02/14
Nice start, I bet it will only get better.
Posted By: shortactionsmoker Re: Forbes 20B... - 02/02/14
Didn't get any more shooting in today. Wife and oldest daughter decided they need to go to town. I was left tending to a napping two year old...

Tomorrow is another day.
Posted By: GeoW Re: Forbes 20B... - 02/02/14
Looks to be 1/2". I'd be tickled pink smile
Posted By: DesertMuleDeer Re: Forbes 20B... - 02/03/14
Originally Posted by Lawdwaz
Originally Posted by bigwhoop
SAS, on that first shot, watch the closed grip. The back of your middle finger will bruise nicely.


The only one of my four NULA guns that does that is my 300WSM.


I had a .300 WM and .30-06 that did this to me. My .270 does not nor does my .308 as long as I hold it tight.
Posted By: Les7603006 Re: Forbes 20B... - 02/03/14
Originally Posted by shortactionsmoker
The shooting started today. I got it on paper at 25....about 1 1/2" low at 25. Things looked to be centered nicely, as well as could be expected from shooting over the bed of the truck out of dad's garage.

I took it around to the front porch, went prone and busted the 200 yard gong a couple of times. Took it down a couple clicks and headed to the bench behind my house.

The ammo I was using were 120 NBT loads tailored to dad's Cooper Excalibur 7-08. They're jumping about .040"....more jump than I'd start with normally.

My range is in a valley between the hills. Gusts were coming from 10 o'clock. I really didn't expect much, so I just shot one group. I'm thinking the wind will die down a bit closer to nightfall. I'll load some stuff tailored to this rifle in the meantime, but.......things look promising!

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3 clicks to the left and call it done.

Never mind, that would be no fun at all
Posted By: shortactionsmoker Re: Forbes 20B... - 02/09/14
A couple guys sent a PM and wanted to see more pictures of the rifle. Here's one and if the sun comes out I'll post a couple more....

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Posted By: Greenback Re: Forbes 20B... - 02/09/14
That looks great!
Posted By: shortactionsmoker Re: Forbes 20B... - 02/09/14
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Posted By: Steelhead Re: Forbes 20B... - 02/09/14
What's that white sheit.....


They are calling for a few inches here Monday/Tuesday
Posted By: shortactionsmoker Re: Forbes 20B... - 02/09/14
We had a little ice to go with it too. Kids were out of school all week...

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Posted By: Steelhead Re: Forbes 20B... - 02/09/14
That's about as much fun as a man can have....
Posted By: Kimber7man Re: Forbes 20B... - 02/10/14
Deer Camp Lane doesn't suck, that's for sure!
Posted By: prairie_goat Re: Forbes 20B... - 02/10/14
They closed school because of that? crazy
Posted By: lastround Re: Forbes 20B... - 02/10/14
Originally Posted by Kimber7man
Deer Camp Lane doesn't suck, that's for sure!



But it does get a little rowdy up there sometimes.
Posted By: Kimber7man Re: Forbes 20B... - 02/10/14
Yep, the Bocephus boys get a little vociferous... grin
Posted By: battue Re: Forbes 20B... - 02/10/14
Originally Posted by lastround
Originally Posted by Kimber7man
Deer Camp Lane doesn't suck, that's for sure!



But it does get a little rowdy up there sometimes.


They must have been on their good behavior when this Yankee visited.
I didn't even see one "Watch this". grin



Posted By: byd Re: Forbes 20B... - 02/10/14
Have you adjusted the trigger.
Posted By: shortactionsmoker Re: Forbes 20B... - 02/10/14
Yep. It's a Timney. Pretty simple to adjust.

It came in around 5lbs, from the factory. It's at 2.5 pounds now.
Posted By: shortactionsmoker Re: Forbes 20B... - 02/10/14
Originally Posted by 65BR
Indeed, a great start, hopefully a good trend.

Like to hear how the barrel does re: fouling.


I can answer this question now, as I cleaned it again yesterday after my snow follies!

It has close to 100 rounds down the tube.....lots of carbon, but very little copper. The "blue" on the patches disappeared quickly. The barrel is SMOOTH and I don't expect copper fouling to be an issue. I expect nice things to come. Just for conversation's sake -- this barrel fouled much less than my last several Douglas's.

I'll get some more groups on paper with different loads this weekend.
Posted By: shortactionsmoker Re: Forbes 20B... - 02/10/14
.....and another thought.

I carried it a lot this past weekend in the snow sans sling. I wanted it in my hands, not on my shoulder. The bottom of the stock feels round in my hand and is a joy to tote.

Battue asked a question earlier in the thread about offhand pointing and stability. I've compared the Forbes to the Montana....and the Forbes wins. I honestly think that the balance on the Forbes is better too.

I wanted to wait a bit before I passed judgement. I'm so use to the Montana, my opinion could have been biased. My feel meter is tilting to the Forbes...
Posted By: 65BR Re: Forbes 20B... - 02/10/14
Thanks re bbl, - what are your latest groups and what bullets?
Posted By: shortactionsmoker Re: Forbes 20B... - 02/10/14
I've not been shooting on paper, I've been busting steel. My range is in the back of the house and I'm limited to 100 yards. I've been shooting steel from dad's front porch.....and the range is almost limitless. It's been a snowy, icy, muddy, windy mess here for a couple of weeks.

For reference: my house is in the left on the photo. Dad's is to the right. The picture is taken from the road, about 3/4's of a mile from my house. Our driveway is private and about a 1/2 mile long. We both can shoot a long way out the front door, but not very far out the back!

Hopefully I'll get more groups on paper this weekend. It's just more fun shooting and listening for a clang than walking back and forth to targets in this weather.

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Posted By: Double_D Re: Forbes 20B... - 02/10/14
Originally Posted by shortactionsmoker
Yep. It's a Timney. Pretty simple to adjust.

It came in around 5lbs, from the factory. It's at 2.5 pounds now.


How easy? <grin>
Posted By: shortactionsmoker Re: Forbes 20B... - 02/10/14
Originally Posted by Double_D
Originally Posted by shortactionsmoker
Yep. It's a Timney. Pretty simple to adjust.

It came in around 5lbs, from the factory. It's at 2.5 pounds now.


How easy? <grin>


It's very similar to this.

http://quarterbore.com/library/articles/rem700trigger.html

If these instructions don't get you there, call Forbes. I read somewhere on here where a guy sent his rifle back because he couldn't get it below 3lbs safely. Forbes fixed it and it now breaks below three. IIRC, the turn around time was uber fast.
Posted By: Double_D Re: Forbes 20B... - 02/10/14
Originally Posted by shortactionsmoker
Originally Posted by Double_D
Originally Posted by shortactionsmoker
Yep. It's a Timney. Pretty simple to adjust.

It came in around 5lbs, from the factory. It's at 2.5 pounds now.


How easy? <grin>


It's very similar to this.

http://quarterbore.com/library/articles/rem700trigger.html

If these instructions don't get you there, call Forbes. I read somewhere on here where a guy sent his rifle back because he couldn't get it below 3lbs safely. Forbes fixed it and it now breaks below three. IIRC, the turn around time was uber fast.


Thanks!
Posted By: scotts94_z28 Re: Forbes 20B... - 02/11/14
Awesome rifle and good shooting. Might still pull the trigger on one of the 20B's in 243 even with the 10 twist.
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