Looking for suggestions for an accurate take down rifle. Recently went on a trip, and it took a lot of effort to find a case that would fit one of my hunting rifles and stay within the airlines ridiculous weight and size restrictions.

I now have another reason to buy another rifle...happy happy.

I'm looking for a rifle that can break down and be put back together with a scope that will hold zero. I'm looking at the contender series, nef/hr etc. I can't afford anything like the Wild West lever actions.

Any suggestions?

I have a Contender carbine that meets your criteria but the Encore might give you more options for higher intensity rounds. I like Savage 99's like the G in 303 or 300 Savage but have receiver sights rather than scopes. Have you considered pulling the stock to fit barreled action and stock into a takedown case. This might require a bit of attention to bedding to make re-assembly more consistent. I thought about this with a 98 Mauser and I believe gun writer Jon Sundra or possibly Finn Aagaard wrote about this option a number of years ago. True takedown bolt guns will be a custom proposition and very pricey. Just my thoughts. Bruce

Single Shot

Merkel k1 or k3 or Blaser k model (not pictured)










Repeater

Blaser R93 or r98







Both break down and re-assemble quickly. No tools on the Merkel. Allen wrench on the Blaser.

The scopes with the Recknagel mount on the Merkel and the saddle mount on the Blaser return to zero every time.

With the Blaser you can get cases that will fit two scoped barrels and one stock.

Or a Pelican case with pick and pull foam would be a less expensive option if your rifle of choice did not come with a case.

Best,

GWB

Blaser is the best option but very pricey. When alpine hunting where there are no bears (New Zealand), I use a T/C Contender in 308 Bellm. 300 Savage performance in a 5 pound package. The Encore is at least a pound heavier. Where bears are a concern, T/C Dimension. Any conventional bolt action rifle can be removed from the stock. However, most stocks are 31 1/2 inches long and this method requires reassembly with a torque wrench on the other end and sighting in to confirm zero. There are numerous custom gunsmiths who offer takedown conversions where the barrel unscrews from the action and the stock is cut off at this junction. This results in a shorter broken down overall length but these conversions are $800 - $1000 over the cost of the firearm.

An AR.



Travis

Funny but my AR is my most accurate take down rifle hands down

My properly bedded bolt action rifles stay zeroed or not far from it (say within a few inches at 100 yards) when the stock is removed and replaced. Makes all my rifles into takedowns.

AR's are accurate no doubt.

But most don't come in blue steel and wood

are not a pleasure to carry or balance in the hand

Just don't see many in

6.5 x 55
7 x 57R
7 x 61
7 mag
7 STW
30-06
30 Blaser
300 H&H
300 Win Mag
300 Weatherby Mag
338 Win Mag
9.3 x 62
9.3 x 74R
375 H&H
416 Rem Mag

just sayin'


Best,

GWB

My Blaser K95 is pretty sweet. I'd say my Blaser R8 or Contenders work well too.

I would definitely opt for the Encore. Light, handy, and have proven to be very accurate. I have one in 22-250, 30/06, and 209x50 muzzle loader that I regularly travel with back to michigan. IT has accounted for more than its share of whitetails.

I had the Browning BLR Lightweight. And it was accurate, reasonably priced, and a nice take-down...

Yes sir. I wasn't joking.



Travis

Nice!

David

That's fine......I was not

Thank you for the suggestions. I think the blr is an excellent option. The other rifles are just too expensive. I'm even considering a marlin 336 in .308 marlin express. Taking the butt stock off seems to be a viable option.

Slap a Remington 700 into a properly bedded stock and a minute with an allen wrench and you have 2 pieces. It works.

oh? Now that is something I didn't think I could do. Love that idea.

What Steelhead said. It does work - mine will come back to within 1/2 of the previous group, close enough for hunting big game.

drover

An H&S stock with it's bedding block and the GI type 65in/lb torque wrench is a LOT more durable/repeatable

Am I the only one who's never had a problem checking a rifle in a full-length gun case?

I have a Encore with a sporter weight barrel in 250/3000 with Leopold "QR" quick release rings I travel with in a over/under take down case. Just plain works.

Doc

No. I didn't have a problem after a LOT of searching and weighing of cases to meet the airline's requirements. So going forward I want to explore my choices. I won't let $200 stop me from taking a hunting trip, but I don't just want to hand it over to the airlines either. (United charges an extra $100 each way
for oversize and/or overweight rifle cases).

So, if I get a nice set up out of my questions and experimentation I win, or rather anyone who reads this thread may win.

my only take down rifle is a Sarer 202, my 202 is an older standard weight in a McMillian stock. It's a 25'06 & will shoot 1/2-3/4" groups. A good used 1 cost around $1,200.

Ah, the baggage fees, thanks for the explanation. I've flown enough miles that I don't have to pay those, hence the question.

np

+1 on the Blaser. Pricey - yes; Very Pricey - yes, if you MUST hast all the bells, whistles and glitz. JMHO.

I recently 'treated' myself to a Blaser R8 Pro and a couple extra barrels. In the little time that I've had to it, all I can say is it's are boringly accurate - regardless of which barrel is installed.

The blaser sounds great

I'd do it with a McMillan, a good synthetic is gonna be less of a problem. Make sure it's bedded so it always returns the same.

Doing an exact torque every time can't hurt, but my hand torque wrenchanometer has worked well.

Ain't nothing to fire a round or 3 when you get to where you are going.

Screw all that single shot crap, pull the stock off a bolt action and have at it.

I agree with SH. The rifles I own that are bedded in McMillans never need adjustment when I put them back together.



Travis

Yup a properly bedded McMillan if it has to be a bolt action, other options are the mentioned take down BLRs Marlin 336s and Savage 99s

Well, as much as I would like a new rifle I like what I have. I'll pull the stock off my Zastava, and see what's what. Thank you for all the suggestions.

That's a full load of schitt.....

No, HE'S a full load of schitt....

Kill yourself.

How many parachute jumps have you made with your trusty mickey stocks, [bleep]? The SOTIC committee at Ft Bragg got tired of re-bedding mickey HTG's after the mandatory FTX parachute infill in the course. It helps to actually know WTF you are talking about when you post.

We're talking commercial airliners here champ. What have you done that got you kicked off, mid-flight?

Epic....

My assertion stands, and I have proof of its veracity. The OP asked for something that would return to zero. The US Army chose what it chose for a reason. The H&S block doesn't "shoot out" or need replacement. Hell, one even withstood being dropped from 800ft when some dumbazz unhooked his lowering line instead of just lowering it. The rifle/stock was still intact.

Yup, and as soon as the OP starts jumping out of aircraft, the veracity of your assertion will mean something.

Smoke, I really don't think you are that stupid, but I've been wrong before...

Well, I do think you're that stupid, as far as mentioning SOTIC whenever any question comes up, as if the standards for SOTIC apply across the board.

The Corps used Mcmillans on the M40A1 for years. I've never heard of them having problems with rezeroing after a jump (at least any more than other rifles). If there was an issue, the Death From Afar books would have covered it.

Laughin' my ass off...



Travis

That'll give you something to do for quite a while.

Those morons wouldn't know an accurate rifle if they found one. Chandler has run his mouth about what a POS H&S stocks are for 25 years. He's clueless. Most of the rifles he builds, and charges and arm and a leg for, won't shoot MOA. I'd consider another source if I were you. How many gyrines are jumpin M40's? They don't do it in their course. Anglico doesn't. The next time I work with some recon/MARSOC types I will certainly ask them about their experience.

Yes, that makes perfect sense, I understand perfectly now. The experience of shooting rifles (remington 700) with stocks many here own, at Ft. Bragg, belongs in some other-worldly time-warp parallel universe. Thanks for clearing that up....dumbazz.

Knee, it is not what you say...it is how you say it.


You have the same approach as TRH, Barak, and Eremicus, in that the information is pertinent but the delivery seriously sucks.

ps, please change your angle before you are mistaken for that 99 twit.

TAK's leaked home movie.....

Actually, the complaints about the aluminium bedding block stocks are based on the fact that some of them have had serious problems with both loss of accuracy and/or zero shifts due to temperature changes. It occurs because the alloy bedding blocks have a much different response to temperature changes than that of fiber glass, graphite, etc. used in the production of these stocks.
Not all of them do however. The figures I have are 60% have some problems.
McMillain stocks do work as Steelhead has reported. I have done it several times and never had a zero shift.
But, they also can have problems when bedding material gets lost, etc. from being removed and replaced many times over the years. However, apparently even the old M40A1 stocks are still doing well. I saw one in action at my local range doing it's thing. E

Got it. The Marine Corps doesn't know anything about accurate rifles. Learn something new everyday.

By about the tenth loop I was laughing tears...

El Gallo del Muerto

They are still using McMillans.

Sounds like your Kimber.

Whoops....


Travis

The Green Bereeeets, the Green Bereeeets.



Travis

It's abundantly obvious that you don't, but keep trying, you may get there.

Some day.

This alone proves much about TAK.

Contrast him with Mackay_Sagebrush and MontanaMarine. Both of them have the credentials, published and proven, the pics and details, and the demeanor of those that had BT/DT, many times over.

Since it's obviously still not clear to you, let me clarify. This post of yours below is what I was commenting on:



And since it's probably still not clear to you, the OP won't be taking that particular course so your quote above has absolutely no relevance.

Nothing TAK posts has any relevance. He's completely FOS.



Travis

His new jump weapon......

Anticipating another hell-bound thread, I ignored all the former talk and will say this.
After I brought a full length gun case to Alaska in 2000, I swore never again.
I didn't as my last 5 trips were with rifles that could easily be "broken down".
The rifles cases were pouch shorter and easier to transport. The rifles I brought were a Kimber Talkeetna, Kimber 8400 and a Kimber 84L. All three rifles were apart in about a minute with an Allen wrench spinning off two hex headed screws.
The rifles were tested at the range 5-6 times to make sure they would return to zero.
So you don't need another rifle, just modify yours with hex heads and bring two Allen wrenches.

Cartridges chambered are limited, but the 94 Trails Ends look good, are not too heavy, and breakdown into a compact size.



http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/detail.asp?family=003C&mid=534191

I'm waffling between one of these and a BLR to fit in the boxes on the motorcycle.

Is that an antique? What does the loop thing on the bottom do?



Travis

My guess is a funky new shape of bolt handle.

You know people use some weird things, from dainty little bits of silverware to shifters International Harvester discarded decades ago as too large for 2 1/2 ton ag trucks.

No dipschidt, your "death from afar" fellow dipschidts, the Chandler bros. Quantico SS grads are some trigger pullin muldoons.

Yeah, it was pretty clear to me before being subjected to your dumbazz post he wouldn't be attending SOTIC and in and of itself is extraneous and had zilch to do with the OP's question.

M24's typically are padded and rigged to a parachute harness inside an M1950 weapons case and lowered on a lowering line about 200ft AGL. The rifle hits the ground at near the velocity it would achieve from being tossed over a 10ft wall, every jump. The H&S stocks withstand this repeatedly and hold zero.

I know your gray-headed azz remembers the Samsonite gorilla commercial. I guess that wouldn't be pertinent either, using your silly-azzed logic, or lack thereof.

Nice to see someone that finally makes Lee24 appear credible

An armored Humvee can deflect small arms fire, drive right over obstacles that would high-center my truck, and run over stuff that would flatten my tires and keep on going.

I could drive the 1.7 miles to work in an armored Humvee if I wanted to.

But I don't. Do you?

Roy Chandler ran a sniper school in Korea, and was a member of Army level rifle and pistol teams.

Norm won the Pershing Trophy in 1978.

The Chandlers clearly don't know anything about shooting or accurate rifles.....

+1 on the well-bedded bolt action idea. When I was a teenager, I didn't know about "return to zero". I would often take my rifles out of their stocks for cleaning, then bolt them back together tight and go hunting. They were 700's that had been bedded to good stocks, so I never had any problems. I did have the sense to notice if mag boxes were binding and things hadn't gone back together correctly.

Thank you for all of the replies. The scenic route the discussion takes once in a while is entertaining as well.

Well this turned into a Monkey Feces throwing fight. I shoot a Blaser R-93, have done so for the last 8 years now. its a very good rifle, and the R-8's are even better.

I already posted this in the gunwriters forum, but it may have some value here.

This action was re-barreled from a .223 AI to a vanilla and it came back to me yesterday.



Before taking it apart I marked the rings and scope. Removed everything from the barreled action and sent it off. After getting it back I put everything back on, and this was the first three shots with the ammo I was previously using to fire form with the AI barrel.



That was only two clicks off center. That's with removing the scope, rings/bases, stock, being mailed to another state, returning with a new barrel, no torque wrench, etc...

So... yeah. A proper bedding job on a McMillan works wonders. I'm sure you'd get the same results with stocks of similar quality.



Travis

Yea, but you haven't made any jumps with it have you?

No, but it got a bit of salt spray on it when he went for a stroll across the bay.

I could have my son jump from the roof all day?

On second thought... I think we'll just remember TAK is a moron and continue to move forward.



Travis

I have a Blaser K95 in .308 which breaks down small and light.

Perfect for traveling

That photo is obviously a fake.


T_A_K doesn't need glasses. His vision is 20-10.

Titanium safety glasses....duh....

No??? Are they the ones with diamond coatings on the lenses no doubt?