Typing from my phone, but I handled one of these rifles today and immediately started to wonder about loading it with 150 grain RN 30-30 bullets. Anyone have an idea what kind of velocity could be expected?

all I know is that the cartridge develops about 2100 fps with a 110 grain bullet from a 10 inch pistol barrel. I think max velocity from a 16 inch barrel is about 2400.

So, you think 2000 fps would be an over enthusiastic guess?

if you're not using an AR platform, why would anyone want to use the 300 Blackout when there are lots of better choices in 30 cal?
just curious on my part and I don't mean to offend, I just don't get the love for the round other than using it in the above mentioned platform.

I don't know if 2000 is possible, with a 150 but I do know the Barnes 110 Grain Vor-TX is designed to expand down to 1300 from the BO. I think its a good short range deer gun, but its more reliant on bullet technology in my opinion.

Because a 208 at 1350 via less than 20 grains of powder f'n clobbers stuff.... One of those Ruger M'rican Ranch rifles would be a cool platform for the round actually.

From what I've seen in the ARs, and the break-barreled H&R.... is 30/30ish performance with like weight bullets. 125 NBTs at 2300, 150s at 2150...

I loaded some 150 gr Hornady sps for a buddy and he killed 3 hogs with his AR. He asked me to load some more as he said they dropped the hogs in their tracks.

You should expect about 200-300 fps less then a 30-30

Thanks for all the replies, and even the question regarding "What the hell is it for?"

The overall handiness of that little rifle, along with very close performance to the 30 WCF available with just a pinch of powder a shot seem like a win win to me.

I have other rifles for hunting, but had an idea that it would be an interesting project. I thought 150 rn's for hogs and maybe the 125 grain Sierra ProHunter for the rest of the year.

Another bullet that I think would be fun to play with out of that case would be some of the old 100 grain Hornady Short Jackets.

It may be that the thought passes, but if one of those rifles had been available at my dealer's distributor today, I'm afraid I would have sent for it.

I would think a Ruger Ranch Rifle with the threaded barrel in .300 Blk would be a great hunting gun especially with a suppressor on it

I've looked at the 300 BO ammo options at MidwayUSA. The 147-155gr options are all advertised between about 1900-2000 fps range.

Shane, anybody ever call you an enabler?

My niece has killed a couple deer with 125 gr tips. The 125 SSTs work good too. From what I have read the 125 sierras don't open up too well at blackout velocities. Haven't tried them.. Just what I have read.

Many moons ago, I had one of the Ruger 77mkII's that a distributor ran in 7.62x39mm. I loaded for that rifle with Lapua brass and Sierra 125 grain ProHunters.

Some of the bullets I recovered from the shooting berm back then, showed excellent expansion and surprisingly good core jacket integrity.

That was about ten years ago though, and who knows what kind of formula Sierra is using these days.

CT,

I've been kind of interested in the 300 BO for a good while.

I can't think of a single GOOD reason to want one, but that hasn't dampened my interest....grin

I've had a couple .300's in AR's. With max loads it will come within about 100-150 fps of a 7.62x39, assuming the same barrel length. I'd like to try the 125gr Ballistic Tips - based on one Contender in .30-30, they do well on deer, at ~2200fps.

So far the subsonic loads do not impress me much on game. I would like to try 240 Matchkings, and I have heard the Lehigh defense bullets are also better.

I'd use the subs like an arrow from a bow!

Putting a hole where it will do damage.

Mike

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Mike

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Mike

Ramshot is showing a couple loads with 150's, a little over 2000 fps. Hodgdon does not quite go that high, FWIW.

Thinning out big herds of hogs at the ranch here in TX with sub-sonic loads and a Supressor. The Ruger American Ranch is already threaded. And cost half of what an AR15 in .300 Blackout cost. Mine is on order along with a new .30 cal. Supressor. Also great low recoil round for the kids to shoot out of deer blinds, and they don't have to wear hearing protection.

There is no good reason to own one unless you want a 9 or 10 inch barreled, 2100 FPS pistol or SBR shooting barnes 110 grain bullets. The Ruger American thing sounds cool as well, I wish this had not been mentioned... in for a penny in for a pound...

There is no good reason to want one except that you want one. At the prices you can get an American for, sounds like cheap fun, less than a lot of .22s.

Ross Seyfried did an article years ago on shooting the 30-ish caliber rook and Cadet rifles. This sounds pretty much like a similar proposition, in a plastic kinda way.

The Nosler ABLRs might be a good match for the 300 BO for hunting. The ABLRs being advertised to open up down to 1300 fps.

In the 16" bbl, I'd guess it's possible to get the 190gr ABLR to about 1700 fps range, the 210gr maybe 1500 fps or so.

With the BC's of the ABLRs they should retain 1300 fps to 200+ yards.

when I saw ruger American I was thinking more on the lines of a bolt action and not a semi auto. all that being said i'm all for buying whatever ticks one's clock. I like a lot of "different" chamberings, the 300 Blackout just hasn't caught my eye for whatever reason. have fun guys.

When the .300 Whisper first came out I read that the long Matchkings would tumble when they hit anything, and do a lot of damage.

I shot a doe with a subsonic 220 Matchking out of an AR 3-4 years ago, and she left a decent blood trail, but was not recovered. I believe I hit her a little too high, but I am sure it would have been a bang-flop with a typical deer caliber.

Earlier this year I shot a eating-size pig with the 220gr Outlaw State, which is said to be designed to expand at subsonic speeds. The pig was unimpressed with the first shot, and kept walking with no reaction. After a couple good hits it finally laid down, and was finished with a .45. The .300 entrances looked the same as the exits.

240 Matchkings are hard to obtain; I may try them at some point to see if they are better killers when launched at subsonic speeds. I know one member was going to try the Lehigh defense, but I've not yet heard how they did.

I may at some point get a can for the .300 AR, to use for hog & predator control with subsonic loads. The house gun, a Daniel AR, is a .300.

To me, the 300 BO is still a niche cartridge for niche applications. Unless you're shooting suppressed, there's very little that can't be done better with something else.

Sounds like an ideal cast bullet gun... Someone is selling converted .221 brass on Cast Bullet Forms... cheap and he gets great reviews....I may need one of these....3 Cents for primes... a few grains of maybe Red Dot for a mild "Rook Rifle" load.... brass should last about forever.... got enough lead to last a life time....

Are these shipping now?

http://gunblast.com/Ruger-AmericanRR.htm

Personally I'd prefer a boltgun over a semiauto for a couple reasons.

- Boltgun will function with any type load, no gas requirements for reliable function.

- With the boltgun no need to chase brass.

- The boltgun stays cleaner, and is simpler to clean.

I wonder if it will fit in the magazine?

I wouldn't expect any problems with the 190/210 ABLR regarding OAL and standard mag length.

Shouldn't need to be any longer OAL than the 220-240gr commercial ammo.

Thanks for posting that link. I am seriously impressed with .5 inch groups at 100 with the supersonic loads.

Shane, I agree completely about the bolt vs. semiauto option. I don't want to chase brass and I prefer to clean with an occasional swipe of the boresnake.

The factory ammo is generally held to 2.08" OAL, and a while back one of AAC's guys posted that length gave best function in AR's. FWIW, both of mine functioned perfectly at 2.24" (mag length in an AR-15 mag) and gave better accuracy. I have not tried any of the bolt guns, so can't comment on what works in them.

They all have 1 in 8" twists, which may not work for cast bullets.

I actually see more than one niche for it:

- subsonic suppressed, where applicable
- beats pistol caliber carbine ballistics and is an alternative to them
- with full power loads, approaches 7.62x39 and .30-30 killing power and may be better than a 5.56 (may being the key word)
- indoors, even without a can it is quieter than most rifles, and is shorter, handier, and much higher capacity than defensive shotguns.

Logistics-wise they have the advantages of 5.56 magazines and bolt face.

There is one advantage I have noted when stand hunting. If I shoot a deer at my stand with something on an '06 case, like a .270 or .25-06, I may not see deer for 2-3 days in the same place, I assume due to the muzzle blast. With smaller cases they may be back shortly thereafter. So as long as you're confident in the load, you may get more opportunities with rounds like this one.

YMMV

Along the same lines, if you load your own, subsonics can be loaded with faster powders that are much quieter than anything that cycles a semi-auto.

The supersonic loads are good suppressed too; mine seems a little louder than a .22 rifle, but not as loud as a .22 pistol.

The Ruger American Ranch is a bolt action Rifle, not a semi-auto, just to clarify to some.

Yeah, you'd think they would have shied away from doing a re-run on the "ranch" name.

I think the concept is good just the accuracy of the previous version ! Eeek

Mike

the "beats pistol caliber carbines and shotguns in many ways for home defense" is a very good reason. I don't know if your 9mm, 45 cal, 40 cal, 10mm,.357 or 00 buckshot would do this and he is using just a 10 inch barrel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDTvbzExaPI

"Are these shipping now?"

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=453022853

This guy has had several, so they are in the loop. Think you will find them cheaper once they get around a bit more. Also saw a couple of the 223 'Ranch' rifles on gun broker a week or so ago.

Jerry

A Blackout in a boltgun and fast twist makes a lot of sense.

Buy a suppressor.



Travis

I've been down the road and back again with the bolt platform and the blackout...save your money and time and buy an old savage 325.

Some good thinking there Joel...

Like your way of thinking, and it would be handier than a Model 94 ( at least to me..) but 30 cal bullets in 110 grain & 130 grain ( 30/30 Speer) would be something fun to play with...