Found a LNIB Classic in 350 Rem Mag. It seems like an interesting cartridge...but not sure about the mag restraints in the 700.

Seems like a 3.00" mag box would be a better choice.

Any comments - pros or cons - on the cartridge and platform?

I'm a hunter/shooter...not a collector.

The intended purpose is feral hogs from ground blinds.

Great round, good luck finding ammo/brass.

If you buy it you will discover one of the most underrated or maybe overlooked cartridges out there today.

I have a 350R in a Classic, can't say enough good about it.
On my rifle I swapped out the recoil pad with the Remington Super Cell pad.
Not a perfect fit but good enough and I cover the stock/fit with a Bear Creek cartridge holder. It soaks up the recoil very well over the stock pad.

I go to Barnes Load Data and go a grain less with their loads.

You don't need a 3" box as the 2.8 is suffice.
Even with the slower twist I shoot the Swift 285's with moa accuracy.
They shoot at 2,450 with RL 15. That puts it right in there with the 9.3.

Shooting 250 NP's I get 2,700 with N540.

I use Tac for the 200 TTSX at 2,950 and the 225 NP's get 2,850

I've found the 200's shoot pretty flat out to 400 yards.
I use just the iron sights and hitting 10" rocks is easy at that distance.

If I had to settle on one bullet it would be the 225 NP.
It shoots pretty flat and in my penetration test came up only an inch short of the 250's.

I think the the 350 Rem will do anything a 338 Win Mag or a 9.3x62 can do.

You may have to search some for brass but it is out there and gettable.

It's been a great value for me. I use it for ferals too.

This. We had an old rem 600 in 350 rem mag and I loved shooting that rifle. Super accurate and an absolute hammer. Way underrated cartridge.

And a LOT more expensive to feed and a bunch more recoil for HOGS?

I'd get a 308 if I wanted BIG and a case or three of ammo and have fun.

Always wanted one in a Classic. I'll pass on the short barreled 600's. powdr

Great cartridge. Shoot it out of a model 7 ks. Hammer on everything Ive shot with it.


Just bought several boxes of Nosler 225 partition factory ammo when Midway had it on sale, havent shot it yet, but if the rifle likes it, I think that 225 NP can handle anything I want it to, and break bones my .308 would be iffy on.

As another poster stated both cases and ammo can be found without too much trouble. I also bought a used Lee Loader, and have no fear of running out of ammo, casings, powder, and .35 bullets in my lifetime.

I have a classic and a used 20" barrel from the Custom Shop and they're both sub 1" at a hundred and give a REALLY good blood trail on deer with either the 200 gr Hornady SP or the 225 Nosler Partition. A bit of "overkill" but it works.

Great point, blood trail. My .350 always exits, my .308 usually.

350 Remington Magnum?
I wouldn,t want to shoot that thing by remote control from the next county !

Great cartridge. I had 2 inches lobbed off the end of my classic. Handy as heck in the thick elk woods here in North Idaho. My favorite load is RL 15 and a 225 Sierra. I have killed 4 elk with that combo, 3 went straight to the ground one made it about 15 feet.

I really like the 220 Speer also, absolutely awesome combo on deer. Haven't tried that bullet on elk, but I suspect it would knock them in the dirt as well.

Another great think about that .358 bullet is there is hardly any blood shot meat at all, eat right to the hole.

I have a model 77 mk11 in 350 rem mag. I was able to get Nosler brass a few weeks ago at Cabelas up here so its around, haven't seen other brands lately though or ammo.

I like 35s, but the Whelen does have some advantages over the 350. Big long mag boxes and easy to find brass in resized 30/06.

The 358Win which work very well in a short action prolly stole some of the limelight from the 350 as well.

I've caught my share of 225gr Partitions.

If you can't kill a hog and get an exit with a 308 it's because you are a [bleep] idiot.

If I found a LNIB 350 Classic and had the change I would buy it for a squirrel gun if that made the difference.

Slip it in a TI stock and hide the wood. Talleys and a Leupy Shorty. Mid range loads with good bullets. It's about as easy a gun to shoot as you will know.

No way would I pass on a New Classic in 350....


W

Thanks for the comments guys. GS wants more than I want to put in it. I'm keeping my eyes on it though.

Like the photo...looks completely at home in its surroundings!!

Nice rifle and nice cartridge, but ammo and cases are hard to find. It is a great rifle and cartridge for those that already have enough rifles and ammo. Kind of like the 303 Savage in that way.

Another option: I got a couple hundred 150 grn. Rem. core-lokts and loaded them down to 2800 fps. with IMR 4064. Accuracy was great and they are HELL on Mich. whitetails. Soft recoil and massive blood trails, although i never had a deer get out of sight. Plan to take it to Colorado this Oct. if we get drawn for elk. Am going to try the 200 grn TSX and 225 Part. over Tac and pick the one it likes best. If they are close enough to not matter will try the TSXs. If you reload, the 350 Mag is a lot of fun, if you have to buy factory ammo maybe not so much, i guess it would be up to the individual to decide. I like mine and would say buy it and have some fun with it.

Guy

My first, but not last, .35 was a 700 Classic in .350 RM. Had a 1.5-5 Leupold VX-III on it and it was a VERY accurate rifle. With 225 Nosler Petitions and 60 grains of Winchester 748 it ran 2660 from the 22" barrel. I had a couple of loads that ran in the 2700s but the recoil started to get less than pleasant. Have to look but I believe the 220 Speer runs 10 fps faster with the same load. Both shoot .75 MOA.

Back in the 1990s I would only own one hunting rifle at a time although I did have a Marlin .41 Magnum Carbine as a backup gun. When I found a Model 600 I bought it and liked its handy size so much I sold the Classic. Velocity of the above loads drops to 2530 fps from the 18.5" barrel but nothing hit with them ever knew the difference.

Since 2000 for some reason hunting rifles started to "accumulate".... Besides the 600, that now wears a Leeupold IER scope in a Detacho Mount on the rib, there is a Model 7KS, customized stainless Ruger 77MKII and a custom Montana Rifle Company stainless 22" rifle....that I bought for less than the price of the action.

Other than the Remington 200 grain load and the Nosler 225 Petition there isn't much of the way of factory ammo available. Reed's Custom Ammo does have three loadings however...

http://shop.reedsammo.com/350-Remington-Magnum_c206.htm

But reloading is really the way to go with the .350. In the Remington rifles with their 2.800 LOA restriction the best inexpensive bullet is the Speer 220 HotCore. The base of the bullet seats right to the bottom of the neck. I have killed three deer and a friend three black bear with this bullet and all have been one shot stops. The bear have dropped on the spot as did one deer. The other two made it 30 and 80 yards before piling up. And as was said above, eat right up to the hole. If one likes the all copper bullets than the Barnes 180s and 200s work just fine also.

With many other bullets of 225 grains and more, when seated to the 2.800 LOA the case mouth is actually a little past the shank of the bullet. Sometimes this results in neck tension problems. One batch of Nosler 225 Petitions so seated would telescope into the case if the nose was pushed hard into a carpet. This was solved by sending a dummy round to Lee Precision and for $29.00 they made one of their Factory Crimp Dies.

If one was going to build a custom .350 the place to start is with one of the Montana Rifle Company Winchester style short actions. There is no worry about LOA with those actions and an extra 150-200 fps can be gained in velocity. I have some 200 grain AccuBond bullets that are running in the 2900s and 250 Speers in the mid-2700s from a 22" barrel. I have some of the Swift A-Frame 280s but have not had time to load test them yet...

But for what the .350 RM was really designed for...a light weight fast handling carbine round, the Model 600 and Model SEVEN are the ideal hunting rifles... The Model 7KS Custom Shop weighs 7# even with sling and 1.75-6 Leupold scope. It is hard for me to hunt with anything else than that rifle...

7KS





Montana Rifle Company..





600...





77MKII with 18.25" barrel and Tasco Titan scope...





Ammo...




Great hunting round....Bob

I just sold this...







It shot 100 yards just over an inch, and 200 yards @ 2 5/8".

62gr 4064 would push the Speer 180 flat point at an average of 2606 fps. out of a 14" bbl.


Shot a lot of deer with it, but they opened up our county to rifle a few years ago, so I traded it in for a Crossbow.


It was a hell of a hand full of thunder but it got the job done in Spades !!


Here's some bullet info...

http://35cal.com/35bullet_study/35bullet_study1.html

...if anyone is looking...

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=480595998

I'm not a big fan of recoil but I can tell you it's a pussy cat.
I'd rather shoot it than a lightish 300 Win mag.

My M70 stainless classic kicks more than my Rem 660 350 mag (factory load). My 660 seems to roll me more than jab me.

Thanks for the photos Bob. That MRC offering looks like a very neat package.

My two 350's and little brother 35Rem. [img:center][/img]

Color me whatever, but I really like the triplets !!!

Nice guns...

Very nice!!! Dad used to bring home some Remington and Winchester catalogs. I thought the magnum laminate stocks were the cat's azz! When I found my 660 350mag. I jumped on it.

How much are the Mod. 600/.350's going for now. I have all the reloading stuff from when I had that XP100R, I'm getting an itch for a rifle !!

In good condition $700 and up seems the norm for a magnum.

2700 with a 250 gr is impressive!
The 30-06 boys are lucky to get that with a 180 gr from a 22 inch barrel.

I looked under my bed, and behind the dresser, and I ain't finding one!!
Good enough reason for me.
It wouldn't replace my .444 as my master blaster, but for some reason one of those .600's needs to call my house "Home". !!
I may take a trip to the LGS tomorrow and nose around some.

2700fps with 250s is getting into 358Norma Mag speeds. Nice!

I like those 250gr Speers. They have been great shooters in almost any 35cal I've owned.

...and up...I think is the condition now. A nice clean 600 will usually break $900 on GunBroker. The more marks on the stock, cracks in the rib, warped triggerguard or rust the price goes down from there.

If you find a nice one for under $800 grab it...great to hunt with and you won't loose anything on it if you sell.

Bob

Ought to be impressive on the back end too; but a guy named whelennut probably knows that.

Holy Socks, finding these is working out to be a chore !!

I went to the biggest LGS in Buffalo where they sell a lot of used guns. I like the store, and buy there as often as I can, over Cabelas, just because they are a local gun store. I usually get very good service.

First salesman says: "Remington made a 600??"

ME: Yes, they made a 600, a 660, and 673. I'm looking for any one in .350 RM.

Him: look in his eyes...

Him to 2nd salesman:.... Ever heard of a Remington 600 ?

2nd: Yup, they made them before the 700, but then stopped production when the 700 came out.

ME Thinking: WOW, I think I'm on the wrong side of this counter..

Well you can see where that went, he wouldn't even bother looking in the back room...

Went to Cabelas... I swear to God, the guy taking care of me started swearing at another salesman. He didn't use the "F" word, but about every other that I could think of, right in front of 6 or 7 of us customers in the Gun Library. Wow, it got HOT in there in about 2 seconds, the other 2 salesmen that happen to be in the room kept trying to calm him down, but it wasn't 'till I patted him on the back (I kid you not), and said, "Lets just look for my gun, OK?" he floated down from the ceiling...

Cabelas did not have Any Remington in .350 that he could find in all their libraries in all their stores...

Looked on the net, and found out why the stores don't have any, The friggin' things must be made of GOLD !!

There was one that looked like it was dropped on it's barrel end, and it's up to $900.00

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=481104564#PIC

Others are running $1100 to $1900.00 !!

I'm gonna keep lookin' though, hope I can avoid getting my ass kicked over this obviously insulting question.. "Got any Remingtons in .350mag. ?"

You see this one...

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=479390328

As to the 673....try to find one to handle before you buy... They are heavy and not even as well balanced as the 700 Classic...

This is also in nice condition. Most in this condition have recently sold for $1050+..

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=480614333

Bob

I'll keep my eye on both of them.
Thanks,
Bill

My 350RM 700 Classic is just about the most consistently accurate rifle I've ever used. Will shoot MOA or better with Rem 200 PSPCL, 225 Nosler Partition and Rem 250 gr PSPCL loads. Have pulled it out of the safe after sitting for five or ten years and it still shoots to where sighted in. Bought it new in spring of 1986 when I found out the Army was sending me to Alaska for a couple of years. Too good of a rifle to let go. I say buy it if you find one.

It goes on...

Interesting...

In my quest to purchase a .350 mag, I decided to just order a New Model 7 Laminate stock as listed on the Remington web site. There is no posted information on the site that this is not a regular production gun...

http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire/model-seven/model-seven-laminate.aspx

I went to a different LGS (Well 50 miles away "Local") and tried to order the gun.
They could not find the gun available through their distributor.. ??

The store owner put in a call to their Remington rep. He told them that I'd have to buy the gun MYSELF from the Remington "Custom Shop", and then they would ship it to the gun shop, and they would transfer it to me...

What the hell is that about, No real profit for the LGS ???

I went home and could not find any way to order it on their web site, so I contacted Remington through their E-Mail, and received this..

"Thank you for contacting Remington! The Remington Model 7 in .350 Remington is a custom chambering that we no longer produce as a production rifle. Dakota Arms now handles all of our custom shop builds. You will need to contact Dakota Arms at 605-347-4686 to be transferred to the Custom Shop. At that point, you will need to leave a detailed message regarding the firearm you are requesting with your name and daytime phone number. The Custom Shop staff will research your request and then return your call."


Now the first thing I want to say, is that I never before had any dealings with Dakota Arms. The woman that answered the phone was Extremely helpful, knowledgeable, and friendly. She was very easy to deal with.

Cutting to the chase, she told me that the Model 7 Laminate was only available in a Mannlicher stock. I stated that I wanted a regular laminated stock as shown on the Remington site.
She then says, "Let's see here, the Mannlicher is aaaaa 3000..

I Said (Maybe a little louder than necessary) "AMERICAN DOLLARS ????"

Yes, she says, but if you want to change that, I'll have a sales rep call you to discuss the rifle YOU would like us to make...

YOW.. I can see that happening.... NOT !!

While searching for any .350 on line, "Dave in WV" messaged me about a Ruger at Gun Broker with a B.I.N. price of $729.00.

I hit the button and it's on it's way (Thanks Again Dave).

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=480888773


They got another Ruger up now with a B.I.N. price of $2350.00.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=482079286

If ya hurry over there, ya might be able to snag that one !!

It's got to be worth it, it even has the super desirable "Flat Bolt"


Biggest surprise to me during this entire thing was that Remington can't even make their own Model 7's, and has to farm the work out. Causing their own dealers (our LGS's) to loose the profit from selling the gun !!

That 350 RM you grabbed looks nice, I'm sure you will be pleased with it.

Thanks,

The prices are just crazy. I looked it up, and the last MSRP for a Remington 600 when it was still in production was a whopping $125.00, and they couldn't sell the .350's because of lack of interest in the cal. !!!!

That Ruger you grabbed looks pretty danged good. I have a 358 Win, 35 Whelen and 35 Newton. I'd like to have a 350 Rem Mag someday as well. No reason over the 35 Whelen, but one .358 is good and more has got to be better right? HA!

I saw a 700 Classic in 350 RM for sale at DJ's Sport Shop in Bothell, WA a few days ago. Price is well under $700, and the gun is in very nice shape. I have no financial interest in the gun, just doing DJ's a favor. They're good folks.

Phone number is 425-486-1919 and they're open today.


Okie John

I took my buddy's classic to the range today. He left me 100 pieces of once fired brass and two boxes of 250 grain A-frames. He is dead set on this combo for his Africa trip this summer. I hadn't seen the rifle until I got to the range where another buddy was holding it for me. I had loaded up 5 rounds with TAC to see how it would do. I fired one and clicked the scope up to be on target at 100 and then three more shots.

I think the recoil pad is made of ironwood!

I didn't measure the group but it looked like 4"+ to me. I was very disappointed. I hope I can find another load that will start to shoot! I will probably first pillar bed the rifle and fix the 8# trigger before another outing!

My Model 7 CDL is one of the most accurate rifles I have and very manageable. Think I'll keep it. TAC works well, as does RL15 & 4320.

The Ruger from Gunbroker that Dave in WV pointed me to showed up at my LGS yesterday. It's got a new home now (Thanks again Dave)..



It really is in excellent condition!

Threw a Leupold 3.5/10 on it and will shoot it fairly soon.

Other good news is that my reloads I had left over from my XP100R 350 mag. fit the chamber in the Ruger very well.
Bad news is that they are Max. loads, so I'll have to reload up some 10% less, and work up to see if the max loads will shoot safely in the Ruger...

Great looking rig! Glad you're pleased with it.

dennisinaz...Winchester 748 works very well for top end .350 loads. Start at about 56.0 grains and work up... I have never used the Swift A-Frame bullets but have used Hornady SP & RN as well as Speer. All were very accurate.

So BGunn...have you had a chance to shoot the dream gun yet?? Looks like a nice piece of wood...

Here is another penny auction on a nice 600...gotta have a backup gun....

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=484061633

Bob

I just started messin' with it today.

It doesn't like the full house loads I had left over from the XP100R.

They are 62 gr. of 4064 behind a Speer 180gr fp.

I could see from my work up loads that it looks like the starting loads (57 to 60 gr.) definitely have some potential. I want to get some 200 gr, and I have some 225 Nosler partitions to try.

My neighbor called later in the afternoon... "Sounds like you got a new cannon !!"

I was shooting my AK first for the on-line contest on the Campfire here.

Quite some difference..... and I like it !!!



Your gonna get my ass kicked by "The Warden" !!

I have a stainless version of your Ruger. Check your chamber length. They tend to run long. Which combined with the longer mag box on the rugers is a good thing. I can go a bit over 2.900 OAL. Have had great luck with 180 grain barnes TTSX loaded to 2.900. Loaded at 2.800 your on ogive and they won't hold in the case. Anyways the extra length also gives more powder capacity. Running 62 grains of TAC for a bit over 3000 fps. Shoots very flat and is very impressive on whitetails.

I owned Remington 660 in that caliber. Ammo is difficult to find and selection of .35 Magnum worthy bullets limited. Sold the rifle when novelty wore off. Good alternative is .338 Winchester Magnum.

The magnums being unkind to ear, shoulder & cheek bone if you want odd ball for shooting South Eastern feral hogs .358 Winchester would be better choice. The .308 and .338 Federal would also be very good choices.

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Your very right on the chamber length.

The loaded rounds for the XP come up 80 thousands short of the rifling in the Ruger.
The other thing I am now tackling, is that the rifle is anything BUT free floated. Easy enough to fix.
I can see the potential here, so now I have to get to work. First pulling the loads out of about 125 cases, and finding the load it likes closer to 10 thousands off the rifling...

Thanks for the chamber info...

Bill

TAC is supposed to be a wonder powder for the 350 mag.

BGun...have you not heard it is better to ask for forgiveness than permission....

Many years ago there was an article in HANDLOADER Magazine on the .350. The focus of the article was LOA as the throats of .350s are long...

The writer used several different bullets loaded to SAMI spec 2.800, a couple of thousands off the rifling (when possible) and then seated so that that the base of the bullet was even with the bottom of the neck. In all cases the best and most consistent groups were when the base of the bullet was at the bottom of the case neck.

In Remington rifles one is limited to 2.800 LOA as that is the max of the magazine box. Most bullets under 220 grain can be loaded so that the base of the bullet is at the base of the neck but the only bullet 220 grains and over that will without going over the 2.800 is the Speer flat point. That is what I started using in Remington actions and am 3/3 with deer and my friend is 3/3 for black bear with his 673.

Lee will also make a Factory Crimp Die if you send them a dummy round. Have found it very useful when having to load longer bullets to 2.800 as sometime the case mouth is actually on the ojive of the bullet...

Bob

I've never seen a pic of yours with an iron sighted rifle -- didn't know you could shoot them!

No scope bite that way.

Painfully, I found out 48 years ago that that is only true if they DON'T know where you sleep.

And she can shoot too !!!!

I can run 2.920 to be on the rifling. 2.900 seemed to be the longest the magazine is happy with 100 percent of the time. On that note my gun and have heard of numerous others had feeding issues. Ruger made these on WSM receivers. They were using them after they dropped the WSM chamberings. Anyways seems the feed rails and the feed ramp did not play nice with the 350 case a lot of times.

I shoot mine very little never really got a load together for it. So never looked into the feeding. Gun sat in the safe for several years before I played with it seriously. Only thing it would feed consistently was 2.600 length. Don't know what the problem was. But something was causing the case shoulder to hit the feed ramp and kick the round up on a sharp angle. The bullet would would then hit the top of the chamber and not chamber.

Called Ruger. Despite having the gun for about ten years they sent me a prepaid shipping label. Within a week I have the gun back. It is now the slickest feeding bolt action I have ever handled.

Wish I had thought of that... My 77MKII would not feed so I took it to one of the gunsmiths I use and and he fixed it. Ruger probably would not have fixed mine anyway as the barrel had been shortened to 18.25" and open sights added...


Bob

RJM put me onto the Lee factory crimp die. I had one made and like it and use it for every round of 350 mag.
Thanks Bob for that tip!

Lee has the factory crimp die available. Under custom factory crimp die over runs on their website.