Saw this on ar

Think I will stick to my a-bolts and cz's

When did that happen? Any details available?

That post and picture mean NOTHING without a full and detailed story, along with who did it and under what circumstances. For all you know, it could be a test weapon that finally ruptured while running pressures up over 100,000 psi to check how rugged the action is. In any case, the barrel simply will not split all the way like that without blowing the user's head and hands off. I believe this picture is of a test vehicle. I will still buy and love Tikka's and Sakos. By the way, I personally know of a couple of A-bolts blowing apart with factory ammo <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> No weapon is free of defects.

Have you ever wondered for a second, that this could be the work of an anti gun troll that personally blew up this weapon just for the puroposes of ruining a fantastic gun makers reputation? Be careful what you post. Flinch

check out the story on ar I guess.I have heard of a guy that lost his thumb to one of the sakos that blew up.Funny no cz anti gun trolls out there.I do love sakos though.

I thought a picture was worth a thousand words lol

Where is the story? What is AR? I find it hard to believe in todays litigious society that this gun failed under NORMAL circumstances. JimmyP

That is a legit picture. Sako and Tikka both had a bad batch of barrels go out. They had a recall on them. You could call Sako or Tikka and give them your serial number and they would let you know if yours was one of the bad ones.

AR is accurate reloading forums in the gunsmithing section here is the old recall notice too.BERETTA RECALL OF SAKO, TIKKA RIFLES NEARLY COMPLETE . . . A limited number of recently delivered Sako and Tikka stainless steel rifles have been recalled due to a problem discovered in the steel used in the barrels. The lowest serial number affected by this recall is 419140 and the highest serial number affected is 461951; however, only a small percentage of rifles within this range of numbers is being recalled. In addition, no rifle shipped before February 2004 is involved in the recall. Because only a limited number of recently shipped rifles are involved in the recall, customers being asked to return their rifle are being contacted directly. Although the recall is nearly complete (99% of rifles affected by the recall in the U.S. have already been returned or are in the process of being returned), if you have a stainless steel Sako or Tikka rifle within the serial number range listed above, received by you after February 28, 2004, and you want to check and determine whether it is being recalled, please call 1-800-503-8869. If you have received a written or telephonic recall notice, please follow the instructions for returning the recalled product contained in that notice

I have no vested interest in this I just thought you guys would like to see the pictures,sorry if I pissed anyone off.

http://forums.accuratereloading.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/9411043/m/635103783

Don't be. Sako/Tikka/Bertta really screwed up on this one IMHO. Last I heard there were still about 20 of the affected rifles here in the US that need to be returned. Glad I don't own one.

I think that might cause a serious flinch eh???

http://www.webcom.com/gun_guy/recalls.htm#BTS1



Never mind that that guy in Washington also had 4 hours of surgery on his hands and undoubtedly had a lengthy recovery.

Yeah, I'd flinch.

I had a higher opinion of Tikkas before I saw this. Never mind that most of them are fine. Berretta does not seem to be a good influence on them! JimmyP

This is OLD OLD stuff ... I saw these pics over a year and a half ago here in the campfire.

I remember seeing those pictures as well, George, but this looks like a different rifle to me. Wasn't the other rifle barrel in three pieces?

Ted

Perhaps ... but how this happens still befuddles me. I find it hard to believe this happens with no barrel obstruction. My Tikka the older type with blue steel and wood stock. Damn resale value goes down with each of these incidents!

Ted
I am thinking the three-piece blow job was an A-bolt? I could be wrong, but that is what my memory says...
art

There have been a number of "incidents" involving Sako/Tikka rifles. I've seen pictures of at least two of them.

Coyote hunter
I've seen them too... I just seem to remember the A-bolt incident photos that were in three parts, but the Tikkas were two-piece? But I have slept since then!
art

This one happened in the last week or so.
It's happening because there is still a bunch of stainless barrels out there on Sako's and Tikka's that are defective and overly brittle. The company is dragging it's ass finding the people they sold them to. Seems they are more concerend about keeping this quiet than about the potential danger to their customers who are shooting this bad batch of rifles. They have a recall on them yet they don't advertise it or even have it on their website. Can't respect a company that operates like that.

Unfortunately I blame Berreta for this.

Art,
The most recent one in 3 pieces was a Sako 75. The Browning was about 6 mo. or so before that, I think??

I'm too lazy to do a search right now. There was a thread about this on the Sako's a while back..
Paul

See the Leupie survived!! Who said they weren't tough!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I had not seen this one... The A-bolt actually looked more spectacular IMO because of the way the barrel staves rolled out. But this looks plain painful!
art

Yup...that's the one I remember with the barrel in three pieces. Happened at a club in British Columbia, right?

Ted

sitka,

what abolt?? that is a sako in the other picture. I haven't seen any abolts blow apart like that. I have seen at least two different sako pictures and a tikka now.

I'll give you $50.00 for that POS........... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

badger

Well badger .... almost too tempting <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

If this did happen as the thread suggest i have seen nothing, but i will go out of my way to try and clarrify the full details, you will have to give me a few days on this


dave

Why all the fingers pointing to the rifle? May be it could have been a bad batch of factory ammo that had a double charge of powder or something else,or am i missing something. I look at the whole picture before i jump to conclussions and get all the facts
Regards dave

Yep your missing something!! One gun is a Sako the other a Tikka both made by the same company both useing differant ammo. One is useing Hornady the other Federal

Josh
Right you are... but there were several A-bolts that did similar things and they have been posted here. The one I was refering to had the barrel split in three directions and curl while doing so. I have seen two in hand and several pictured. None have been attributed to anything other than a bad batch of barrel steel (as far as I know).

JJHack had one blow up on a client in similar fashion in SE Ak on a brown bear hunt. Lots of barrel makers have had problems...
art

You are right Sitka, there were two Browning blow ups last year. They were both stainless stalkers and the barrels looked like banana peels. Another one was a Sako 75 in stainless, now this Tikka.

Having seen some REALLY bizzare stuff happen at the local range, I have a hard time believing a gun just blows up like in the pictures. Even if the barrel steel is bad, the action will stay together. There was MUCH more to these stories than is being let on. The most recent picture of the Tikka is very suspect to me. You simply DO NOT get brass in the chamber like that under normal cirumstances...and their wouldn't be anything left to the casing either. The chamber would be black from the powder residue and the case would be vaporized unders such pressure. For the action to split like it did in the Sako and Tikka pictures, there was SUBSTANTIAL pressure, ie; a blockage or serious overcharge in the factory ammo. It takes a ton of pressure to blow up a barrel and an action at the same time. These blow ups are not due to bad barrel steel. I would blame the ammo long before the rifle. Something just isn't right here. I think Barretta recalled the rifles to cover themselves, but they know it is an ammo problem.

Browning hasn't done anything about their blow up problems. Heck, I will give you $75 for that POS Tikka <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Just my 3 cents worth. Flinch

I saw some similar photos a few months ago of a Tikka
that had the barrel peeled back, but the rest of the gun was
okay, was chambered in one of the WSM calibers.

All due respect, Sako blames it on a batch of stainless barrel steel that didn�t meet specifications. That�s why the recall is limited to a specific range of serial numbers � just the rifles that got made with that batch of stainless.

You�re welcome to point fingers elsewhere, but I suggest that Sako has the correct answer.

No, they don't. The right answer is to own up to your mistakes, and publicize the he## out of the recall, so people don't get their fingers blown off.

There are still 20 rifles out there that are not accounted for, and any and all problems from here on out lie solely on Beretta's conscencience.

This is one of the few times I can see a good reason for lawyers. I hope no more failures occur, but if they do, I hope the injured party gets a lawyer with the exact same moral standards Beretta has. I would expect them to take Beretta for every single penny possible; their reprehensible and immoral response to the problem almost requires it. JMO, Dutch.

Dutch -

I agree completely. My comment was specifically about the root cause - bad barrels or bad ammunition. I think its bad barrels, which is what Sako says. How they handled the matter (extremely poorly and irresponsibly, IMHO) is a different matter.

You know its kinda strange, not that I am disagreeing with Sako/Tikka's responsibility here, but I have seen some real problems with some reloading powders being mis-labeled or having other problems and I dont see the powder company going to much out of their way to let everyone know. I see other gun manufacturers having some problems and I dont see them doing much about it either ie Remington. So why all the public outrage against Sako/Tikka?

Now dont get me wrong, I think they have screwed up big (and I am a Sako/Tikka fan) and they should get their britches burned. Not for a materials problem as it can happen, but for what certainly seems like an under the covers type attitude for rectifying it.

Long

This is NOT an ammo problem, this is a RIFLE problem!

IMO

Dennis

Do you have in your posession the conclusive proof and the evidence that it is the rifle and not the ammo and you have the scientific back ground of the reasons this has happened, i also suppose this has NEVER happened to Ruger, Remington, Winchester etc.

I haven�t heard of any Remington�s, Winchesters, Ruger�s or Weatherby�s blowing up have you?? if so please add pictures and other proof. I think it�s a little odd that the Tikka and Sako owners are the only ones that bought this so-called bad ammo. I haven�t seen any proof of the Browning�s blowing up can someone please post that. It really doesn�t matter if this was a Sako or Tikka or any other manufactures gun this is a bad thing to have happen I think this would really have a psychological affect on ones ability to shoot a gun with out a flinch. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

joe
The blown Brownings were posted in photos here a while back. They are retrievable with a search, I would bet.

Remingtons are a lot harder to blow up... ;-)
art

Sorry George, the objective lens was trashed. If you can find the origional post you will see the scope bell is crushed. IIRC Leupold replaced the scope for free.

The Sako was a .300 Win Mag. Also had a fluted barrel.

Actually, they bought it back and are re-marketing the scope:

if anyone can find the pics of the browning blow up, I would love to see them. I have been searching on the site and came up with nothing........thanks blake

I wonder if Sako/Tikka and Browning got the barrel steel from the same source?

Ya mean there MIGHT be a method to their madness. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Has anybody kept track of the calibers and barrel contours involved in the Sako/Tikka blowups? I notice some of their contours have a very small diameter shank which isn't helping the margin of safety.

Yeah, Beretta/Sako/Tikka sure did drop the ball on this one. It's too bad they didn't handle the recall and take care of their customers like Remington has on their "fire on release" safety. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />