Other than you are a one gun man with a bigger caliber, why would you ever feel the need to use anything bigger than a .243 Win for whitetail?

I have been a fan of the 7mm/08 for 20 plus years, but with modern projectiles, I have trouble seeing a need for anything more than my old 6mm Remington when Whitetail season opens.

Deer just don't require that much killing.

Because you can?

Why not a 25-35? It was killing deer 60 years before anyone decided they needed a 243...

The twist is all wrong..... ?

Yup!



you want something that will put em' down, and if not leave a blood trail a blind man could swim upstream in. Not much fun tracking in cactus, catclaw and junipier thickets after dark.



JAPPFT,


GWB

That's a "want" not a need. I'm a quarter-bore queer.

I've killed whitetails with bigger than a 243 and smaller than a 243, but never with a 243. Need to fix that this season.

Ain't no "need" for anything bigger. I have used rifles from .223 to .375H&H to kill KY WT Deer. The .243 with a 95gr NPT kills 'em just as dead as the others... Mostly one shot, DRT's, to boot...

Just finished putting together a 99F .243. GONNA HAVE TO FIND OUT WHAT ALL THE FUSS IS ABOUT COME DEER SEASON. powdr

I've kilt 'em with 45 different cartridges ranging from .221 Fireball to .404 Jeffery. None have died any quicker than the ones I've shot with the .243 & 6mm.

They aint half bad

In general, you have a good point. However, Northern whitetails can weigh two or three times what average Southeastern or Texas bucks do. Some folks hunt where bears or moose might also be legal game. Long range also favors something heavier.

Texan John Wooters once wrote about rifles suitable for trophy bucks. He wa a big .257 Bob fan, but as I recall, his list of suitable cartridges for trophy bucks began with the .25/06 and that was marginal.

I used a .243 for the first time last season and killed a spike. It did a good job, but if I thought that there were any bucks of real size on the public land I hunt these days, I'd pack something bigger.

Beats me.

Pappy348 have a valid point there with the size of the animals. First of all I have to say that I have never hunted deer but I see plenty of deer sized animals being hunted each year. I have read deer can weigh more that 400lb and if that is the case a 243 can be a very slow killer on larger animals. Over the years game farmers in South-Africa started banning the use of 243 and smaller cartridges on their farms for a very good reason, because 1000s of animals were wounded only to be found a week later long after hunters have left.

I know probably 50000 guys now wants to tell me that they have never wounded anything with a 243, but the same thing goes for the all the Kudus that were hunted with 222s, it does not make it the ideal choice. At 180m plus the 243 can kill very slowly on light to med game as the light bullet slows down and does not have the energy and speed to make a good wound channel, we have seen this on plenty of Imapala and Blesbuck.

The 243 is still a great cartridge for light game but 400lb is not light.

Pieter

I've kilt as well as with cal's .223,243 257, 264, 277, 308, 323, 338, 350, 366, 375,& 45. IIRC most died quicker from .264 up.

Course, there is something to be said for good shot placement and distance to target.

As always, your mileage may vary.



JAPPFT,

GWB

You meant 243 Ackley, of course........
THAT goes clear to elk.

because the .243 is as queer as the .270

Between me and my son we've killed several deer with a 243 using 100gr Rem Corelokts. We never lost one and the ones that ran went a shorter distance than with a larger caliber cartridge. He shot one doe at over 200 yards and she was DRT. I never recovered a 243 bullet but my son did recover two. One was a head on shot and the bullet was in the paunch and the other was through both shoulders and just under the skin. YMMV

I always preferred .30 caliber holes in living game! Never did catch on to the 243 win.

I started with a poorly fitted savage 110 in 30.06 for my first rifle and hated it. I sold it and purchased a Tikka 595 in 243 winchester. I tried it for 2 deer seasons and never really cared for it other than it had less recoil. I went back to the 30.06 and never looked back.

The 243 or 6mm is all any man needs for Whitetail Deer if you can shoot, if you can't shoot then bigger won't help you . I have killed more deer with the 6mm Rem than any other cal.

.25-06 and .270 seem to put things down with as much authority as anything else I've ever used.

I'm with Pat on this. as I get older I find with the improvement in bullets and equipment in general we tend to use rifles that are too big and fishing tackle that is way too heavy.

My perspective is a bit tainted as I have never shot a deer with a .243 and calibres less that .243 are illegal for big game in Alberta.

The reason for choosing a larger calibre can be based upon the size of the deer one hopes to encounter and the nature of ones hunting. When the possibility of shooting a large deer at close range, with less than perfect presentation, possibly whilst it is running would justify a larger calibre and a heavier bullet.

Just my 2 cents and YMMV.

An early happy independence day to y'all in the great United States. GRF

Cross canyon shot,

Ranged at 304 yds. IIRC

Rem 700 Sendero, 338 RUM, 200gr. Nosler Ballistic Silvertip

dropped and rolled downhill.

Unbelievably no 6mm was required.

Works for me.

JAPPFT,

GWB

Stunt shooter!

I have used the 6mm Remington Mag on deer never used a 243

Doesn't count if a golf cart was not used to retrieve game

Nah,

not a white-tail but a 125 lb. Aoudad ewe, Ranged at +/- 300 yds. when spotted heading uphill,



Sako varmint, 7 mag, 160 gr. Nosler Partiton, 300 yds. plus.


Nice thing about a bullet of sufficient diameter and weight, event if you don't hit them, but come close, it puts their lights out. LOL


JAPPFT,

GWB

Because with a safe full of rifles you STILL don't have (or need or want) a .243?

Government intervention. Besides, I own Swedes.

Because .30/30s are easy to carry and fun to shoot?

Actually, I switched to .270s a long time ago, because my .243 experiences weren't good (maybe bad bullets?), but this spring I picked up a .30/30 to mess with, and plan on using it this fall.

Congrats on getting a truly fun gun. Next thing you'll find yourself wanting a levergun in .45-70.

Didn't you once ask the same question, of the .25-06?

The 2nd deer I ever shot was broadside 200 yards away, and I hit her perfectly behind the shoulder. She ran about a 100 yards, zigging through the bush. I only ever found one little spot of blood, the ground was hard, and it was mostly luck that I found her. .25-06, so thereafter I stuck to the .270 & up. Years later, when I got a chrono, I discovered I was under-loading the rounds - and the bullets were actually "varmint" bullets.

I killed a spike last year with a .223, and the deer went only about 30 yards. And I killed one with Dad's old .25-06, too. It went about the same distance.

I'm thinking of using my .25-20 on deer, this year...

Funny. I did the same thing. After years of killing an embarassingly huge amount of deer with anything from .223 to 300 Mags, I decided to play with a 30-30 for the first time ever.

The Op's question has a key word: "need". No, don't really "need" more than a .243. As said on here so many times before, bullets mean more than headstamps. .02" of bore also means a heck of a lot less than construction of the protjectile(.22 vs .24 for example), accompanied by velocity.

Bullets matter. Far more than the amount of powder the case holds, or the diameter of the bore. I think a 243 is plenty with the right bullets and the right shooter on game bigger than any Whitetail, and on shots longer than most would dare try. To each their own.

Why? Why?

Because this is the land of the free!! And besides that, one cartridge is just boring...

Though the 300 Savage has impressed the heck out of me the last 10 years. Trying to figure out why anybody would want a 243 when they could use a 300.

We have shot several large bucks with the .243 and 95 Gr. BTBT and had them travel quite a distance in thick brush.. The bullet went though both lungs and did exit on the buck I remember best..

I just like a bit more bore dia. and bullet wt. I ran into the same issues with the 6mm and various .25's from the .250 through the .257 Wea.. The bullets exited but the game was still able to travel over more ground than I think it should have.. This coupled with the fact that many shots are really fine bucks come just at dusk, makes me want a large dia. bullet and more wt.. So this fall I have a 700 barreled up for .300 Savage..

Well, I will give the 243 this,



It is practically perfect when nestled in a pleasing platform,to be used for petting and/or perforating pint-sized porkers that are pert-near close in proximity...........

but for folks in a hurry,



a pill out of a 240 Wby will get there quicker.

JAPPFT,

GWB

PS: NO GOLF CARTS WERE HARMED.....



during the perusal of this thread.

PS: Chas05 used a 325 WSM, 200 gr Accubonds to perforate these porkers.

Ever hooked a 10lb bass on a bream hook?

The .308 in it's metric guise has saved my bacon... deserves and gets my respect.

Geedub, a Blaser? Smart man! And if you don't like the 243, you can just switch out the barrel. Blasers are about all I hunt with these days. Here's my R8 Attache' hybrid with a 243 Match barrel, but it could become a 30-06 in under 30 seconds :-)

Biebs, I'm just a piker in sandbox compared to you, but being a junk-man at heart, when I can pick up a rig like this for +/- 23 Benjamins, its hard to resist, even if the barrel is chambered for 243 Win.



Next stop is a 9.3 x 62, if I can find one at a value.

Best,


GWB

Because I don't shoot Texas sized whitetails.

Why, bigger cals. make bigger holes, and bigger holes leave better blood trails. I have killed A dozen or so of deer with the 243 and have wounded and lost two with the 243. The two that I lost would I have found with A larger gun, probably not, but it makes A guy think.

I predict you'll like it.

Yup,

GWB

Because you're a cheapskate, .308 barrel life is longer and you're more likely to find decent ammo on sale for a ridiculous sale price.

Viva la 260

I suppose its a want.....because I want to use my 9.3x62

I've had the 9.3 x 62 in both the Cz 550 American and a Sako 75 that started life as a 30-06 and was rebored. I got if from Handwerk who posts here. One of the few rifles I regret selling.

So.........



I've had to console my self with a 9.3 x 74R.


Best,

GWB

I've had a couple and the wife used the 243 for several years. The one thing I do not like about it is the amount of meat damage. Did not seem to help with different bullets and weights. It works but I would rather have the whole shoulder or hind quarter.

I wouldn't but I very, very rarely hunt whitetail.

My R-93 combo is a Prestidge stocked model with a .270 and 9.3x62 barrels.

I also have a matched pair of Browning Safaris in .243 and .308, built on small ring FN actions. I have killed dozens of deer with a .243 (100 Noslers) but usually select the .308 between the pair.

I have used the .338-06 on a good many deer. Talk about slam dunk!

The little .218 Bee is fine for head shots on meat deer. And lastly, the .30-30 is a perfect example of a cartridge that is perfectly balanced, constructed, or whatever for both man and beast in the 100 to 300 pound range. I have witnessed what it does to both man and deer.

Life is too short to be limited to one rifle, although Dad did rather well with only one center fire, a Marlin .30-30.

Best wishes,

Jack

I'd harder to realize how easy it is to kill an animal, than actually kill an animal.

Killin' critters ain't hard. Just stop the flow of blood/oxygen to the brain and sooner or later they die.


now finding them after you kill 'em can be a challenge if they ain't DRT.

For example,



There is a spin-cast feeder under the black dot in the foreground in front of the rifle barrel. Range is 276 yds. Got an opening about 20' to 25' across. At dark, if you can't find a blood trail within 10' to 20' of the POI, chances are you ain't going back to camp with meat.




here is a closer view, with a dead hoglet adjacent the feeder.





It was about to come a frog-choker and I was losing light fast. Good size bore comes in. He is skittish. I knew he would not stay long. Sure enough about 10 seconds after he makes his appearance he decides to head back in the brush so I had to make a quick shot. I like shooting hogs about 2" below the ear on a line between the ear and shoulder. This severs their spine and they drop and paddle. Dead, but don't know it yet.
Well he was walkin' and from the time my brain sez "squeeze" and my finger does, then the bullet travels the 280 yds, I hit about 6" back. Well a 200 gr. Nosler Ballistic silvertip at a MV of +/- 3,150 packs a pretty good wallop. At that range you can hear the "whop". I immediately jack a new round into the chamber and get back on target. Sure enough the bullet flipped him but he's struggling to get back to his feet. So I pop him again aiming at his withers. This puts him down for good.



He's a fair hoglet. Once again, not a white-tail, but evidence of why I like bullets of larger diameter and weight than the typical 6mm.

Best,

GWB

I don't think it matters too much for deer, at least the monsters I shoot off my land in East Texas (sarcasm).

Last 2 deer I've taken off my property were with a 257R with 120 Interlock at 2700 fps and a 6.8 SPC with 115 Fusion at 2450 FPS.

Both were bang flop.

Last hunt I went on where I had to fork out hard earned dollars for a free range Axis hunt, I went a little bigger with a 338 Federal, mainly because is shot so well with 180 Ballistic Tips and I wasn't sure how far I'd be shooting.

Those Ballistic Tips were bought from SPS for 20 cents a bullet which could open another argument of using cheap bullets for an expensive hunt.

i have a hard time discerning between a want and need . any of you feel the same? I feel i need a 7mm mag sako varmint.

My good friend who is a rifle looney always says "need has nothing to do with it!"

Seriously.... because there are better cartridges & calibers for hunting WTs under ANY/ALL conditions.

That said, I've had 243s and still have a 6mm R and killed deer with all of them. I've had bang flops and bang-run offs and LONG difficult tracking jobs because of little/no blood trail.

g,

Interestingly enough,the Terminal Trifecta remains unchanged in their relative importance rankings,despite a myriad of Drooling Dumbfhuqks trying to convince themselves otherwise. 'Course it's never been tough to cypher,who shoots and who don't. Hint.

1) Placement
2) Projectile selection
3) Headstamp

You'll wanna read that again...now one more time. Hint.

Not that I don't get a very big fhuqking kick outta The Padded Perch/Sprinkler Trevails and the oblivious Dumbfhuqkery slathered copiously upon same. Schit don't get much funnier than Ping Pong Balls launched from schit Riggin',less means of POA/POI intersection arrangement,as a Terminal Treatise and quantification of the inherently compromised "approach". Bless your heart.

Bucks in the front yard and I reckon the hedge could use a trim. Hint.



200's at 3150fps in an Ultra is a fhuqking riot,as is 23 bushel for a blued POS 10" 243Win. Coupling both with schit glass and waxing eloquent on the "demands" of such rigorous terrain and unforgiving jungle density,copiously frosts The Dumbfhuqk Cake. Wow!

You are over cartridged,under boolited and less a single fhuqking clue in how to arrange POA/POI intersections...if only as starters. But "luckily" for you,schitty/sloppy "results" swoon you and your Golf Cart,inside the fence. Congratulations?!?

It'd be funnier than fhuqk to watch you shoot for a day and apply "all" of your "prowess",as you brazenly make a stand for Dumbfhuqkery and it's sweet "satisfactions",while doing your very BEST. Laughing!

PS and by the way,the Ultra will squirt 210X's at 3400fps. Better yet,it'll squirt 250 Skinners at 3K and with a modest 250yd zero,it'll consume but 6.5Mils to 1K and only 1.8Mils of 10mph full value wind at same. Hint.

Graf's has 'em on Sale currently,for 48 bucks a can. 'Nother HINT. pardon their being less expensive,while being VASTLY superior to any/all things Nosler. Thank me later and I'm looking forward to the excuse(s). Laughing!

An OEM 243Win that'll pinhole 105's of Robust Repute,is very easily arranged and has been for decades. Hint. Meld same with glass of unerring tracking and copious erector latitude and POA/POI becomes a given,rather than a "surprise". Mount same in a bulletproof system and the longterm rewards flow freely in non-lineal fashion. Re-hint.

"Tell" me more...I gotta go toss another (500) 250 Skinners in the moly tumbler.

GOOD talk.

Laughing!..................










'flag,

Bore interiors,matter MUCH more than their exterior dimensioning. Tough to swoon Blued heavy schit and 700 L/A COAL trumps Sako's efforts. Big Green throats rather nicely,twists in like accords and you've the COAl latitude to literally ring the bell. Hint.

Think boolits first. Re-hint.

Tough to beat a Montucky 7Whizzum/162 smooch,with it's miniscule ES/SD,eerie Precision and killer throat/twist/COAL geometry...assuming you actually shoot.

You've been led to water.

Thank me later..................










'wall,

Cite the boolits.

Hint...............

I am still trying to figure out why you need to go UP to a 6mm bullet. Maybe when I run out of .224 and .228 bullets.

Mornin' B,



greetings from Texas and the Petting Zoo.

Long time.......

Always nice to hear your words of wit, wisdom and encourgement.

No deer in the front yard today,

but recently,




have had road runners coming out of the wood-work

.

Oh yeah, jest fer schitz n' giggles.

Just as not ever-body tosses rifles into streams and pond, not ever-body squirts 200 grainers at 3,400 fps. (hint)



Seems impact velocities @ 2,800 fps and below don't tend to tear up as much meat.

But what the hey, I guess if your shootin' paper at a fur' piece, velocity is yo' friend. Quien Sabe as the Messicans say.

Best,


GWB

Nice meat for the Independence day party!

[quote=ltppowell]Other than you are a one gun man with a bigger caliber, why would you ever feel the need to use anything bigger than a .243 Win for whitetail?

[/quote

Northern white tail might be a bit bigger than your Texas bucks I have seen bucks as big as a spike elk. And as much as I hate to say smoke pole is right, it's because I can. Lmfao
Happy Independence Day gentleman.

Theres gay.....and then theres .270 gay....



The .243 is skookum in comparison......

Shameful! To blaspheme what could be the most 'Merican cartridge on 'Merica's B-day!

hummm, ya think he doeth protest too much ??

g,

Only a fhuqking Texan is stupid enough to crawl way up the relative case capacity ladder,only to yank plug wires loose from same and get giddy about cramming schitty bullets into it,so as to "bolster" terminal Affects and "add" Tablefare. VERY much enjoyed the notion,that you deem such incredible Dumbfhuqkery as a well "thought" plan! Your Imagination and it's Pretend are working in double overtime. Congratulations?!?

The NBT can't begin to hang with a Skinner or any X in either facet. Pardon my being afforded the luxury,of not being forced to guess. Hint.

A rifle that won't take a lick,is as useless as schit bullets and you've the corner on both avenues. Re-Congratulations?!? I'll feign my "surprise" that you didn't wax eloquent on Textucky Windage and the sweet "satisfactions" of being slathered in that Dumbfhuqkery too. Mebbe next time?!? Laughing!

Fairly impressive,that you botched all camera settings too,up to and including focus. You're on fire! Laughing!

I'm crying I'm laughing soooooooooooo fhuqking hard...because we all KNOW you are doing your "best". You are always gonna do better,by simply shutting the fhuqk up,taking notes and applying same,as it will reliably help your game. Thank me later. Hint.

Boolits don't come in a large enough diameter to fend Stupidity and the gent with a .224" clue...will reliably trump a Texan with a Boomer. Hint.

Fhuqking WOW +P+.......................










'nut,

This is American.

Hint.



You make a good point,in that Texans shouldn't be in such a hurry to field more rifle than they can handle,even with pulled plug wires and a fhuqking loudener installed,to make sure that schit bullets don't go where they's intended. Purty easy to launch boolits of repute and have finite control of POI/POA intersections,as opposed to whirling Ping Pong Ball Flinches and Textucky Windage,as CNS Insertion Medicine wellllll beyond a zero range of a grossly compromised platform and it's addled operator.

Though in fairness,SAAMI 7-08 fueled 162A-Max at 2700fps in a 22" spout,really do shoot themselves and it IS cheatin'.

Legendary insight.

Laughing!..................










'wall,

Cheer up...270 Virgin's make great false shoulders for 6-06 Maiden Voyages.

Hint................

B,

once again,



greetings from the Lone Star State.

I'm touched that you would use your one post today to offer those words of encouragement.

BTW

Speaking of wood,

I've added some new timber since you and I last had the opportunity to have tête-e-tête.

I won't bother dragging them all out, but here are a few you may have missed during your absence.....






















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and just got in this Sako Bavarian in 6.5 x 55.


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Ain't even made time to mount a scope. Think I should use WAM's ????


JAPPFT,

GWB

That's sho-nuff a patriotic handle, BS.

243 with 80 gr. TTSX works fine on pigs and deer in my experience.

On pigs I prefer placement at the base of the ear. But for consideration, here is a heart and lung remnant after a shot by my young nephew with the 80 grain TTSX, with a through and through wound. It took a few steps and tipped over. He and his brothers did the paint job on the stock.

GeeDubya,

You ought not be murderin' them turkeys with a rifle. Give 'em a sporting chance and use a shotgun.

G-Dub murdered that turkey with REAL class! Don't fault him! IMO one of the finest rifles ever built! Bofors!

Loved a 243 so much I finally settled on a 22" 6mm Rem. I'm another that loves the 300 Savage in a Mdl 7 action, and since most of my shooting is done under 100, I do love a bolt 35 Rem!

243 is perfect for TX!


DMc

g',

You'd do well for the FIRST time in your "life",to simply procure a sound rifle of repute,that is twisted,throated and chambered to task...then learn how to use same. You've obliviously reiterated the long known FACT,that proficiency cannot be purchased.

Good time to read that again.

Boomerism is very reliably a crutch,espoused by the Clueless,as factored by their Cluelessness. It's the rarest of breeds,that can handle a Boomer and work Magic with same and I just so happen to be the best I've ever seen. The sole reason I'm great with 'em,is because back in The Day LRF's didn't exist and that coincidence 'finders sucked ass...is no fhuqking coincidence. So the best(only) way to hedge a bet,was to add horsepressure and dat's firmly Boomer Territory. Bullets weren't nearly as good either and them constants often collided,as I've splashed more than a few on Critters. So I reckon bullets have made a far greater fhuqk to me,for a farrrrrr greater period of time,than most anyone else. I wore out the rifles,spouts and spilled the blood requisite to garner the skillset.

I get it,that you are like a Raccoon,in that anything that's shiny...is good enough for your Lady Fingers to grasp. Aesthetics have less than ZERO fhuqking bearing upon mechanics and them polar opposites,do reliably arrange hilarity! Fretting a shiny piece of fhuqking schit,DEFINES hilarity. Bless your heart.

Bullets matter farrrrrrrrr more than headstamps and you'll never shoot enough,to have an inkling to the magnitude of that fact. Nor will you ever savvy the relationship of POA/POI and how amazingly easy it is to have finite control over. I get a kick outta you Slob Hunters,as you barely fhuqking get by inside the fence,offa the Padded Perch,beneath the fhuqking Food Sprinkler. What a fhuqking riot!

Dealing Clean Death,is the easiest facet of ANY Heartbeat Stoppage,to have total control over. That control is only granted by melding of the Terminal Trifecta(1: Placement,2: Projectile Selection,3: Headstamp)and you've routinely field sooooooooo fhuqking many disconnects,that you are a never ending Train Wreck of how NOT to do schit. Bless your heart.

You are farrrrrrrrrrr better off,as are the Victims...by wielding a 223 you could reliably operate at 80% of it's inherent potential,than a Boomer at 20% of same. Read that again,now one more time slooooowwwwwwlllllly. Hint.

BEST part is,you've zero gawddamned fhuqking inkling,how amazingly fhuqking stupid you are!

Good talk.

Laughing!................










'bird,

A guy makes his own "luck" and a sound 243Win with good bullets,is a fhuqking Luck FACTORY...............(grin)










'Mc,

Talk a leetle more about the 22" 6mm. Action? COAL? Twist? Throat? Bullets? Speeds? Precision?

Sevens share 600/722/700 mag confines and I hear good thangs about 155 Skinners launched ala 308 in same. Mainly due their blend of BC/Terminal Affects,to the Precision Quotient and modest relative recoil in an OEM box.

Great bullets aren't at a "disadvantage" anywhere.

Hint....................

B’
Your remarks about deliverin’ clean death got me to thinking, other than a couple o’ bucks from 8 to 10 years back and rifles layin’ in a pond next to some dead fish, I don’t recall seeing much death being delivered other than that with which you administer to American English.



And, what the hey, I’ll be the first to admit I like bright shiny toys!!!
Especially when they are purchased at good value



And shoot like this


3 @ 100 yds.



3@200 yds.


How bout a 6.5 Leopard,(6.5-300 WSM) smithed by Bo Clerke of Raton New Mexico. Winchester CRF blueprinted action, Broughton 8 twist barrel, Bansner Stock.













Does as well on flesh as it does on paper


100 yds.

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200 yds.

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oh yeah,

may have time for one more shiny toy!


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Remington 700 Custom KS, re-barreled and chambered for the 300 H&H, and accurized at Hill Country Rife, purchased pre-enjoyed of course, rattle-can paint job added by me at no charge.


this one shoots pretty fair also with 180 gr. TSX's........

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Anywho, ain't heard nary' a word of complainin' from the porkers I perforate.

JAPPFT,

GWB


PS: Oh, yeah, speaking of 7mm-08s, well, out of room here, but remind me to show ya' some of my 7mm-08's at the next opportunity. They will give ya' a woody.


PPS: Like they say at Waffle House........ See ya' tomorrow! LOL

I'm a big fan of the 7mm-08, I wouldn't mind seeing some.



P

I like the looks of the pocket pouch. I do see a problem in your photos. Being a 4.5 back pocket not crammed in one.
Speaking of shinny the hamon in nothing but first class

Stick,

Have you run the 150 ScenarL through its paces in the 7-08? Just bought a passel and thought they'd be a good one...

geedubya: don't let them give you schitt about the turkey/rifle thing. My God I thought it was more sporting to fling a single projectile at their tennis ball heads than a swarm of shot!
Hitting one on the noggin with a rifle isn't rocket surgery....

Shooting one in the face with a shotgun hardly seems fair at all...

Gee,Askins called killing turkeys with a shotgun nothing short of murder.. No skill involved what so ever.. Now if you call one and kill it with a rifle you have done something... I have shot them both ways.. Killing one with a shotgun is about as exciting as shooting a beer can off a fence with a shotgun..

Those are some mighty fine looking rifles there..

10/4 guys,

I don't think I've shot a turk with a shotgun since 2001. I do like going full "Alvin York" on them. Spring-time is the most fun as they are much more vocal and lookin' for luv' in all the wrong places. I've been hunting the lease I'm on now for about 12 years now. I'm there quite a bit and have come to know the areas they frequent. I'll cruise around on my 4-wheeler and stop every couple hundred yards and try various calls. Rather than try to call them in I will put a sneak on them, cutting, clucking or whatever seeems to get the most response. What's fun is to use the Riihimaki with the 45 gr. triple shocks. Its pretty much good to 200 yds. Catch a bunch together and they never new what hit them.

As to poppin' them in the noggin, well, I guess you could say I'm an 80%er. I'm not a good enough shot to do that at ranges over 100yds. My favorite shot is to aim for their "craw", or just above the junction of the neck and breast.



It's a high percentage shot, and if you do it right, you don't waste any meat.



definitely don't want to waste any wild turkey. LOL



If your elevated and they are walking away its a good shot and if they're facing you with their head up, likewise. Like porkers, it seems their heads are never in the same place long.

Best,

GWB

great looking guns geedubya.

All the best. GRF

It isn't as much fun without some 'flip factor.'

I'll vote as well on rifle turkeys...



In this case, through the wing butts, at 120 yards...

oh yeah, .270

geedubya - I say DITTO to what ingwe says.

I appreciate nice, fine, good looking weapons of which you've gottem.

I also appreciate the fact that you shoot things beside your mouth!! AND you back it up with pics!!

In the punkin head...

Shameful.....

I wish we could use a rifle! Jealous!

There! I fixed it for ya.

This is funny how times have changed.. Years ago the rifle was the weapon of choice in many states.. Az. at one time required the use of a rifle for turkey hunting.. Shotguns were not permitted. Now it is reversed.. Simply a case of a few vocal people making everyone do things their way..

I loaned my Ruger 17HMR to a friend who has a farm locally, as he was wanting to play with one before purchasing one....

His 15 year old kid got a hold of it when he saw a flock of turkeys running across their property.. climbed up in the barn loft, and with 10 shots, had 10 dead turkeys....

so a shotgun seems a little overkill to say the least....

use to be tons of them in my little area, but the coyotes put a major dent in that....

...and kids shooting ten at a time.

Kill a couple with a bow, then get back to me. I've killed them with shotgun, rifle and archery. Archery is definitely the toughest, IME.

Logically, archery should be the toughest......

Yea, yea. Actually I've killed several with a .270win.

Cool! Then a .270 IS good for something!

I've been told they bounce off deer........

You know better! You said that rainbow-stocked .270 you wouldn't sell me was deadly on deer.

since when do you listen to Democrats?

Although I'm a dyed in the wool rifle slut, I've done my share of hunting with stick bow as a boy, as well as compound bow and also cross bow as an adult. IMHO, bow-hunting makes one a much more patient rifle hunter.

With a bow at 18 to 23 yds, its 95 degrees out and your in nothing but shorts in leafywear cammo that does not breathe, your dripping wet with sweat and stink and the gnats and no-seeums are driving you insane, deer can sense you as well as smell you.



and coming to full draw on a longbeard when there are a dozen pairs of eyes

fuggeddaboudit.




and old does, they wind ya', stamp, blow and you're busted.







but I do get some shots with a camera that I might not otherwise get. That I do like....







So unless my daughter surprises me with twin grandsons on opening weekend of bow season, you know where I'll be come October 3rd.

Best,

GWB

Kill a few with a Lawn Darts, then get back to me.

Steel Head,

I've thrown lawn darts...but not at wild turkeys... you?

Geedub,

Becoming an archery hunter at a young age did more to hone my hunting skills as anything else. Having a grandfather who loved to trap didn't hurt.

I got my first thirty-five pound recurve bow at 11. Where I lived there was a boyou behind us and a woods/cow pasture that was a half mile deep and about three miles long. The western border was a railroad track next to a State Highway. I started running the bayou and woods with bb-gun,bow and sling shot.

Later on I was death on swamp rabbits, armadillos and hogs.

Now my rotator cuff on my right shoulder give me fits, so I use a crossbow. Still have my Matthews FX, but it mainly collects dust.

Best,

GWB

243 Win, hummm? Maybe my next caliber?

3 of the 4 in my slam were killed with Lawn Darts, the forth with an Atlatl

I have to much respect for an animal to shoot it with an arrow..

Steeley',

pix or it didn't happen. LOL


Speaking of slams, here is my DIY Texas Slam........





Texas Dall, S & W model 29 Classic, 44 Mag.





Corsican, Compound Bow







New Zealand Ram, Compound Bow






Black Hawaiian, Winchester 70, 270 Win.






Aoudad, Browning 1885, 30-06
As and aside, I hunted this guy for 14 months. Third sighting I was able to close the deal.


and last but not least,






There's a story behind many of the critters I take. This is one animal that I did not take with a pistol, rifle or bow.

I was taken with a 315/75R 16 Goodyear Wrangler AT.

It goes like this. Opening day of the year 2000 rifle season it came a 500 year flood. That weekend they were doing helicopter rescues of hunters out of trees in the Hill Country due to the flooding. It took us 18 hours and fording streams/rivers to make what normally takes 6 hours to get to deer camp. I hunted all weekend with no luck. Cold and wet. I was heading home and I looked up to the hills to my left. There were a group of Aoudad moseying uphill about some 300 yds away. I had my 338 RUM in the back seat. I stop and grab it. Well its warm inside and cold and damp outside. I pull my rifle out of the case, and the scope lens immediately fogs. By time I get front and rear lens wiped, the Aoudad go over the crest. No shot. I was pissed to say the least. Well I get back in the truck and of course the windows are also fogged now. I've driven a couple hundred yards and I feel a pretty good bump like I've run over something. I stop and get out to look sure enough, a ram had darted across the road just in time to get nailed by the front left tire. He's laying in the road gasping for breath. I hate to see an animal in misery. I had a Ruger Blackhawk in 41 Mag on my hip so I put him out of his misery and drug him off to the side of the road. I got back in the truck and started back up the hill on the way out. I said to myself, self, you don't have to go back empty handed now. I backed up, got my chain-saw out of the back, cut that sucker in half and threw the front half in the pick-up bed.

JAPPFT,

GWB

Nice sheep GeeDub.

And wonderful story!

Well ok, maybe they were with a shotgun...

Eastern



Osceola



Merriams




Rio

A shotgun???


OMFG!

Nah, that's a pump atlatl.

Good stuff Scotty!

Rifle, shotgun, pistol, bow, atlal, sling-shot, don't matter,

the fact that you got out there amongst em' is what counts!

Good on ya!

Best,

GWB

...atlatl...

ack

I've even killed Texas turkeys with a rifle

SW Texas quail with a drilling

And teaching kids right

Even better!

You are on a roll!

+1

GWB

If Bud Ice is 'right' your wrong is on another level.

I bet he hunts squirrels with one.

Shooting coyotes whilst wearing swim trunks.




Juggling skills






Looking for W. Texas mule deer






Kids on the swing set

You're good. Maybe I should try a bola in an effort to one-up ya.

Steel Head,

Among other things we have in common, I see with both like to juggle!

How did you ever find a coyote wearing swim trunks?

It gets hot in Texas. I saw a jack rabbit carrying a canteen earlier.

GWB

I almost killed an elk in my underwear one morning.

So your underwear are big enough for an elk to join you in them?

Crabs for surf and turf?

How did the elk get 4 legs in your thong?

Did someone say surf and turf

Don't think A200 Pyrinate's gonna help much.

GWB

I killed this one in self defense.....

Ya'




when good toms' go bad..........




it's time to light up




and smoke em'.


JAPPFT,

GWB

This is how I celebrate a successful morning

back at ya'



JAPPFT,


GWB

PS: Scott, I'm seeing a side of you I've not seen before.

Good stuff.

First turkey, St. Patrick's Day 1990. It was opening day of the season and the first time I ever tried turkey hunting. It didn't get easier after that....

Killed with a Winchester M97

And 243's or for experts, I had to use a 40 caliber on this one.

Well ya' got me on that one. IIRC cameras had not yet been invented when I go my first.......

However, my oldest who has hunted with me since he was six with his first turkey circa 2001.......




and another good day around 2006.........



JAPPFT

GWB

Is he Amish?

Now that you mention it........



I'll have to ask his mom. LOL


JAPPFT,


GWB

Steelhead; my new hero:


Gee: What load were you using with the 300 H&H?

As to the "serious" part, I like the 257 Weatherby for this application..

Damn, you look like a pup in that pic...

Pup, I'd already been married for 2 years, owned a house, buried my dad and best friend and been in the military for 2 enlistments.....

You guys use guns?



I just catch 'em with my bare hands.

These, too.



And when I get tired of those:






P

I am sure there is such a think as over kill, especially on whitetail. However, there is also such a thing as flip-factor. Call me ill if you want but there is something about lifting a deer off it's feet at 200 yards that gives me some satisfaction. Last year, a friend that was standing next to me when I shot my deer, exclaimed, "holly-****, did you see that." There was some satisfaction in his reaction too.

What are you shooting that will "lift a deer off its feet"?

I'm guessing something like this:

Holy Sufferin cats .....who is your taxidermist??

A local guy and friend I've known for years.

He's done all my stuff.













Works for me.


Best,

GWB