A friend has asked me to reload for him and his sons. The have a 308, 300 wm and 300 wby. To keep things as simple as possible he wants to buy 1000 of the same bullet and have me load 300 rounds for each cartridge to have a "life time" supply of hunting ammo and use the rest for load development. What bullet would you pick?

180 Partition.

1,000 rounds lasts me about 18 months. Do these people practice?



P

165 grain Accubond!!!

Good suggestion. I'd also go with the 180 partition. For some weird reason, I bought 500 bullets about 6 months ago and am down to just a few now. Good thing I bought another 400 of the 200gr. partitions a couple months ago as a substitute. I also can't see "300" bullets as a "lifetime supply". I guess these guys probably don't shoot that much...... I know a lot of guys that don't shoot like most of us do here, so that is understandable..

Umm, whichever your rifles prefer,but given u have a 300 Weatherby and the TTSXs in my experience have been the most accurate bullets I've used, I'd say go with the 180 TTSX.

The fellas do practice but with cheap interlocks and old suplus powder. Not with the good bullets. They don't shoot that far either at game.

Dumb question, but if you were to buy the 180gr. partitions, where would you buy them? Seeing how the interlocks are "cheap" in comparison... Also, if they "don't shoot far", why do they have 300 magnums?...

I'd be watching shooters proshop for blems....usually about $16/50

One is a finbear and one a mkv deluxe. They have them cause they are nice looking rifles to them. Not about to tell a man he shouldn't use a 300 mag just because he doesn't shoot moose farther than 300 yards.

The 300WBY and 300WM are perfect for a 180gr Hornady Interlock. I'd look for a slightly lesser grain in the 308 and go with a 165gr Interlock. The 180s out of a 308 are pretty heavy.

you might also consider the 180gr Nosler Ballistic Tip. High BC and awesome performance on game. It's a pretty tough bullet and very affordable. $15.00/50ct.

http://www.shootersproshop.com/load...r-180-grain-ballistic-tip-blem-50ct.html

About 6-7 years ago I went through a 300 WSM craze.

Between 3 different rifles I shot roughly 3-4k rounds.


Mostly SPS Custom Comp seconds and SMK's(175's).


With a slightly lower charge the 175 grain 'target bullets' just happened to match up perfectly with 180 Partitions(out to 400 meters).

165 grain Nosler Partition.

They must hunt Whitetails in NY.

Ha ha...

Moose aren't that hard to kill. I don't believe you need partitions for much of anything in North America.

I would go with a Nosler 180 grain Ballistic Tip and kill everything he mentioned with that and not worry a bit. I wouldn't pass up 180 grain Hornady Spire points either.

You don't need 200 grain bullets for moose...

If they've already decided to shoot the same bullet in all 3 cartridges, then I'd also pick the 180 grain partition.

If it was me I'd rather have a mix of 165s for the .308 and 200s for the .300 mags ... especially if the range is short-ish ... but I understand the urge to simplify.

A second choice might be 165-168 grain TTSXes. I have not had good luck with accuracy from Barnes bullets. Maybe they'd average me out.

Tom

TOM, that's how I'd roll as well. Generally like this:

308 win: 150 or 165gr. partition
30-06: 180gr. partition
300 mag: 200gr. partition

However, I've used the 150, and 165gr. Hornady interlock sp and btsp for hunting deer. I have a few hundred 180gr. btsp interlocks that I'll probably never use, but I'm sure they would work great in the 06 and 300 mags for practice and field use...As far as using the 180gr. ballistic tip, I have used that as well, but didn't get complete pass thrus with both the 30-06 and 300 win mags... That's the reason I'd opt for the partition instead...

1917, somewhere today I saw you mentioned shooting away several thousand partitions in the last few years.. I seldom shoot them except at game, what were you using the for , if I may ask??

I knew a guy who took a giant northeastern bull moose off its feet with his .300 win mag and a 180 Nosler ballistic tip so I guess any good 180 will do.

180 hornady btsp

My pal and his son use ballistic tips for much of their big game hunting. His son and his family probably shoot 2-4 elk , 6-8 antelope, and about that many deer all with BT's.. The son is into long range shooting so he mostly is gunning with 7mm and .300's.. But they use everything from the 6mm up.. They NEVER buy domestic meat!!

180 grain Nosler Partition, hands down.

180 Nosler Partition. I wouldn't consider anything else as an all-around bullet for various velocity levels.

I hunt with Barnes 165gr TTSX bullets and have had great results.......Good luck..........Hb

180 Partition or 180 Hornady Flat Base Spire Point.

165 accubond

I'd never stock up on one bullet, assuming it would work in several different rifles. I'd find what each one liked and stock an adequate supply of each.

That said, Barnes 165/168 TSX/TTSX bullets would be a suggestion.

DF

180 Partition. It's soft enough for the .308 at distance and tough enough for the mags up close.

If "that far" is inside of 400 yards, my suggestion would be to sell the Win-mag & Wby to fund the purchase of 165 accubonds.

180 Accubond 180 Partition or 168 TTSX

Interesting, if flawed, premise (buy 1000 then load for all those caliber and rifles)...... It kinda forces unneccessary compromises plus, I mean, he could buy 1000 of "whatever", and one of the rifles might not even like that bullet.

Well, running with it anyway, I think I'd be looking at the 165 or 180 Accubond, myself. Though the .308 would run the 180 a little slower than ideal.... and the Weatherby would run the 165 maybe a bit faster than I'd prefer....

OP could always slow the Bee down a bit and not tell him <g>.

And then there's the question of which primers, powders and what you derive from this deal?

I would require tribute in the form of much ardent spirits and several good-looking women with daddy issues before I'd crank out 1,000 rounds of ammo for someone.

Or...If you're a godly man you could get them to buy you a progressive press.

Oh yeah, 130 TTSX because Speed Kills.

In my experience Barnes is one of the least finicky bullets and would probably go with 168 TTSX. But it is still a gamble as all three rifles might not like one bullet. Or simply go with 180gr Interlocks as they are cheap to practice with and work up loads and they perform very consistent for a non 'premium' bullet.

Pieter

150 gr ttsx or 180 gr partition.

The 150 gr cuz Barnes need speed to open and the 308 would do best with it, and a 150 gr Barnes at 3300 fps is deadly on the big stuff as well.

The 180 gr partition spitzer (not protected point) cuz it works.

I like 165 grainers as the best all around bullets for the -06. The Partition is a favorite, but they aren't cheap. I have a hunch that the animals would never know the difference between a Patition and a cheaper Interlock. Even new generation NBTs are as tough as they need to be.

If I was picking one it would be the Hornady Interlock 165 grain flat base.....

168 TTSX

I wouldn't do it. First I buying a 1000 bullets that you don't know are going to work in all three rifles is a little crazy. Second most any bullet that is optimum in the Bee is a compromise in a 308 and vice versa.

I would shoot for two different bullets one for the 308 and one for the 300 mags. maybe a 180g AB or NPT for the big guys and a 165AB or NPT for the 308, buy one or two boxes(or bags if you can score them from SPS), work up a decent load in each rifle. Once you have that wait for SPS to have availability and score the appropriate number of bags at a good price for the "big project"

180 TTSX or 200 TSX/LRX.

Heavy monometals may be a bit disappointing in the .308. I would be concerned that the 200 gr. TSX at slow speed may poke thru a WT without a lot of tissue damage.

Go light, push'em fast with mono's.

That point sorta ruins it, one bullet for all rounds mentioned.

Bad idea, IMO.

DF

How many of US have shot 300 Nosler Partitions "hunting" ??


Jerry

Stupid question but.....shouldn't you know what each of these rifles in those calibers like to shoot accurately?? The 308 might love a 165 grain bullet weight and the 300's might be a 180 gain. That's the way it is with my rifles. I load the round and bullet weight for each individual rifle.

Silliness, silliness, all is silliness.

Accu bond tsx or partition.in a 180....whatever shoots the best....I have loaded for many 30 cal rifles and of these 3 I never failed to make any of them shoot...

***CAUTION***CAUTION***CAUTION***

Have you ever heard of "Cold Weld". I don't know of anything to prevent this in 'long term' storage of ammo.

Just a Heads Up.


Jerry

+1

What a concept...

DF

I agree:

If he is a real friend I wouldn't do it for most of the reasons listed and above all it is false economy and you will bear the brunt of his 'cheapness'

Hey Guys, kman hasn't posted since 12/27 on P 1. I don't know if he's still following his thread.

I agree on finding THE load for THE rifle etc.

PLUS, I've experienced 'cold weld' recently and have REconsidered loading for long term. I have some other older handloads that I'm going to UNload or REseat the bullets.


THEY need to start loading their own, IMO.


Jerry

For the above reasons I only load for hunting and targets a few days before going..................but I also keep a few rounds for each rifle etc loaded that aren't used for either.

In from left field: my choice would be a heavy soft cast lead bullet, 190-220 grains, with either a meplat wide and flat enough to tap dance on or as a hollowpoint. Driven at 2000fps or so and used at "woods ranges" it'll do the job (and has) on anything edible in North America. (I'll reserve judgement on it's usefulness on bears that would eat you as well as not to others with actual experience.) Such a load would duplicate the old gov't .30-40 Krag load, and no one can refute the track record of that old cartridge.

Added benefit: your ammo would cost about $5/box, plus time and labor.

What I do for my buddies that don't reload is tell them to buy these www.bulletproofsamples.com/ in what ever they want I load them up a few of each. which ever one they like the most they pick up a box load them up 20 rounds and make note of powder, bullet, primer, and case o.a.l and when they're all out load up some more.

kman,

As others have mentioned, it would be important to know if any one bullet would give acceptable accuracy in all three of the cartridges you mention.

I understand the 'keep it simple' premise, but if it were me developing loads, I would start with a small sample of 165 and 180 gr. Barnes TTSX and Accubond bullets, try a few loads with both, and see what happens. If by some miracle you find loads with one of these bullets for all three rifles, you are one lucky guy!

In my own experience, the 165 gr. Barnes TSX and TTSX bullets have given outstanding accuracy in my .300 Weatherby, and in my son's .30-06. In both rifles, accuracy was obtained by seating bullets with the top groove at the case mouth.

Now, let's hope your friend doesn't also ask to use the same powder for all loads.....

The 180 Partition will work just fine at both the lowest and highest velocities expected from all of these rounds. And it will shoot accurately enough (or more) to kill big game at whatever ranges he plans to hunt.

You guys are just gacking.

Not totally. Some rifles don't like 'some' bullets and 'some' rifles don't like Noslers.

I also know that 'cold weld' is real.


Jerry

Thanks fellas. Ordered a stack of 180 partitions, an 8 pounder of Varget and imr 7977. Couple hundred pieces of lapua 308 brass and Norma 300 wm and wby brass. Shouldn't be a big trick to get 1.5 MOA or less which is fine for a hunting load out to the range they shoot big game with. Will update in the next few weeks as I have time to get this started.

Thanks

kman

Good Luck.
If the rifles will shoot the partitions they are never a bad choice.

Am interested in your follow up.

Jerry

maybe they plan to shoot some of them NY deer!

Yup. The first post on these type of threads is usually the best, and so it is in this case. Ditto the 180 Accubond.

I've used the 180 Partition in the 300 WSM and 30-06, antelope to Elk. It works...

It's going to be different for everyone, really.
I'm never going to have a private elk or bear hunt. If I get to hunt them its going to be paid and guided.
I'm going to want to get close and be 100% sure of dropping my quarry on the spot.
Folks who hunt regularly may be willing to spend the better part of the day tracking or a different man may prefer to snipe one from a ridgetop 800 yards away.
My choice is going to differ based on what I'd want from my hunt. And I'd want things up close and personal. A 180 RN CORE-LOCT would suffice.

Cold weld ranks right up there with barrel node for concern about your rifle shooting well...

Barnes TTSX 168gr and a hole lot of H4831sc Just make sure the .308 win is not a 1:12 twist!

Jerry,

I've heard of "cold weld", can't say I've experienced it.

I'm guessing you see erratic pressures?? Need a tutorial.

Why can't you just bump the bullets slightly, seating them .01" deeper, assuming you don't have a hard crimp? That shouldn't affect performance that much and will for sure break any "weld" that may have occurred. Seems easier than pulling and reseating bullets.

DF

Kind of a funny question. However, I think it was pharmseller who said he bought 1000 partitions and they lasted him 18 months. Like I said, I bought 500 180gr. partitions and then another 400 200gr. partitions in the last 6 months because my 180gr. supply was running thin. I have to ask: What do you do with the bullets you buy?????? I practice with my rifles and shoot for enjoyment. I hunt on occasion. Practice is the only way you get good at something. I'm still trying to get good...




300 WSM with 180gr. partitions (bullet I'd choose in most 30 cals):



My old fwt 30-06 likes them too:


I don't just buy 30 cal bullets either. The old 270 fwt likes the partitions and so does the 375 H&H. If you don't mind me asking, what is the point to your question???

bsa,

I think you got that CZ 9.3 fairly well tuned in...

I do like that round and CZ's.

If you keep up that practice, you may get to shooting some fairly decent groups...

DF

Thanks buddy... I'll keep trying. Maybe next year will be better!!!!!!! Although my buddy Geno (Valsdad) has the rifle now, so no more practicing with that great rifle. I'm hoping he will really enjoy it.

One bullet for all is OK providing the selected bullet shoots well in all of them. Then not so much.

TTSX bullets have been very accurate in in my .308, .30-06 and .300 WM rifles. Moreover the TTSX and MRX have proven very effective on game, from antelope to elk. If I had to choose a single bullet for all it would be the 168g TTSX.

D F -

I had only heard of 'cold weld' here on the 'fire' and Mule Deer has discussed it. This year is my first experience with it.

After some period of time with loaded ammo, there is a chemical reaction between the jacket metal and brass cases. This reaction causes a bond between the bullet and case - called cold weld.

I don't know about erratic pressure but some higher pressure. I have some ammo --loaded--for a couple of 270 W rifles. I don't remember just how long it had been loaded but, there was NO change in lot #, cases, or powder charge. I've been using THIS same charge with THIS same powder for many years. The only difference was,- it has been loaded for a while, a few years.

I fired a round to check scope zero and the case was a little sticky (recalcitrant-to use a GW term ) to remove. I shot 1 more and got the same reaction. In MANY MANY years using this powder and this charge I NEVER had a round to be sticky.

I simply bumped the bullets down a little then pulled them up a little and RE seated them. Those I shot afterwards showed no problem at all.

As far as bumping them down .001", that might work but I don't know if it's enough.

Mule Deer could give a more definitive answer but this describes what I understand and what I experienced this year.

In the OP kman said friends wanted him to "load 300 rounds for each rifle for a 'life time' supply of hunting ammo. That made me think of the possibility of 'cold weld'.

Jerry

Excellent choice with the 180 grain Partitions

The easy answer is go monolithic,such as the Barnes. With the .308 Win. as the low end velocity component in this equation, I'd suggest the 165/168 grain Barnes as your go-to bullet. This 150 TTSX would also work well, but would somewhat handicap the other calipers on long(er) shots. memtb

Just in case y'all missed this> done deal


Jerry

Imo it don't get much better than the 180gr partition for what you're asking.

Hornady has a new 180 out that should do fine. Just read about it in Am Rifleman. ELD-X. Sounds perfect assuming all 3 rifles like it.
I don't have any rifle that particularly likes partitions -all of them shoot better with other bullets. I have largely gone back to plain janes as they do everything I require.